buyia second hand tractor budget 10k

Tomjim

looking to buy a tractor budget is 10 k.

i feed about 300 bales of silage. contractors makes all the silage.
will be used for fert spreading putting out slurry draw turf home in other words do not have a huge amount of work

want someting reliable that will last a long time and is cheap to run
am not brand focussed so am open to all makes
a 4 wd i suppose while not essential would be a bonus
a loader would also come in handy but not essential - i currently have a back in loader i could use on any new tractor

selectamatic

With your budget a Case 885xl or even better 844xl. Reliable if ya get a good one, comfortable and just a nice compact tractor all round. Some good value to be had in same and lambroghini tractors too.
Mf 390(t) or fiat 90 series tractors are others to consider but at €10k they'll most likely be rough and have plenty of work done.
Db 1494 would be another cheaper option but good ones are being held onto by their owners.

davidk1394

For that sort of money a JD 3050 or a ford 7810. Good going tractor but will have a good bit of work done by now

Nekarsulm

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7610/12918124

This any use?

_Brian

Nekarsulm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7610/12918124

This any use?

Jebus he's asking €8k but could only manage 1 photo and no info given. He could try just a bit harder.

selectamatic

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-885-4wd-and-tanco-power-loader/12691693

I'd have this over the ford any day of the week. them 7610's are a minefield with dodgey blocks and gearboxes. from what I've heard the series 3 variant with the standard H pattern gearbox is the only one to go for.
That said the case ih's don't like anything other than proper coolant as well water and in particular water from limescale prone area's plays havoc with the coolant passages as they're not the biggest.

_Brian

selectamatic wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-885-4wd-and-tanco-power-loader/12691693

I'd have this over the ford any day of the week. them 7610's are a minefield with dodgey blocks and gearboxes. from what I've heard the series 3 variant with the standard H pattern gearbox is the only one to go for.
That said the case ih's don't like anything other than proper coolant as well water and in particular water from limescale prone area's plays havoc with the coolant passages as they're not the biggest.

We've an 885XL ourselves and they're a nice wee tractor.. that seems a tidy example and reasonably priced consider it has a decent loader on it too.

selectamatic

_Brian wrote: »

We've an 885XL ourselves and they're a nice wee tractor.. that seems a tidy example and reasonably priced consider it has a decent loader on it too.

Ay we've one as well grand tractor for what they are and great value compared to other marques of the same era. It's always a sign of a decent tractor when they have a good long production run. This has also resulted in mk1 variants becoming nicely affordable for the part time livestock farmer.

Tomjim

What are the McCormick like

Are the SAME worth looking at as another poster has suggested

selectamatic

Tomjim wrote: »

What are the McCormick like

Are the SAME worth looking at as another poster has suggested

mcCormicks will surely be well out of budget? at least a clean one will be. Some of the same tractors are great yokes especially the older aircooled ones however I get the vibe you're after something newer than 1990? If so the same 90 turbo would be in with a shout. Also a zetor 7745 turbo are great too if ya get one that's been well minded and has the breaks done.
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/zetor-7745-tubro/12997163 one here but no loader.
Interestingly enough the seller is holding onto their case IH

Bass Reeves

If you think you will get away with a 2WD tractor I stick with it. I feed silage with a 2wd tractor with a spike on the back. It is as faster than a 4WD tractor and loader. If you could go another 3-5K you would get a flaking tractor with a shuttle great for yard work. Not sure if this is a bit low in the HP but I imagine it is at around 15K

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-4315/10318796

However these should also be in the 15K bracket
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-new-holland-tl-70a-2wd-tractor/12521941
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2000-new-holland-tl90-2wd/12444748

A tractor like this would last 20-30 years at what you are doing.

If you are grounded on 10K something like this ford would be ok but it has no shuttle

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1996-new-holland-5030-2wd-10495/12967377

A fiat in the 70/90, 80/90 or 90/90 would be in your price range however they can be rust prone.

You could also go back down in the money and buy an oldish clean tractor

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1394-case-international-2wd/12961805

Shannon757

Here's two 2wd way under budget. One with a loader and one without.
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-698/13000240
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/zetor-7211/12999466

Tomjim

if i have to go to 15 k i will so long as the tractor is easy fixed ie i don't have to bring it to a main dealer

Tomjim

that 885 case for 6500 in laois looks interesting

i need to stack bales with a loader this year i had to hire a tractor to stack bales

Nekarsulm

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/12393021

All the tractor you'll ever need. (Nearly too cheap?)
Loaders to fit are hard to find, however.

cute geoge

I have said it before and will keep saying it mf390 all the way for that money
no depreciation
any tom fool will fix them
parts are not overpriced
I would stretch to one with a shuttle and i have seen genuine 4wd 390t with loader sold for less then your 15k budget
You will pay up to 20k for similar off main dealer but he can sell them all day long even at that price
The bottom of doors in cab are prone to rot and high houred 12k+ are hard to start in winter without high speed starter .
A garage will charge 1500 for new clutch in one while if you price around clutch kit will be 4-500 and any decent mechanic should fit it in a day .
A turbo 390 will be pushing 95 hp and i have seen them hauling 14 ton loads but not advisable

Bass Reeves

Tomjim wrote: »

if i have to go to 15 k i will so long as the tractor is easy fixed ie i don't have to bring it to a main dealer

If you are willing to go to 15K you will buy a right good 2WD. You will get a NH TL70/TL90, a Case CX70/80, a 4235 Massey or your choice of Zetors.

TBH I think that tractors in the 10k range tend to be poor value and in general you can have to put 2-3K into them in first 2-3 years. You will have to serch to pick up a clean tractor for that money. When you go up that 3-5K you really open up the 2WD market

muirsin

Looking at buying some thing similar to OP. Seems to be a lot of Case 4240 on done deal. What do people here think of them.

Tumosan

muirsin wrote: »

Looking at buying some thing similar to OP. Seems to be a lot of Case 4240 on done deal. What do people here think of them.

I bought my tractor off pat brogan in Roscommon.You won't get better service and has definitely 100 tractors in stock.He sells a lot down my way so I would recommend him

tomwaterford

Tumosan wrote: »

I bought my tractor off pat brogan in Roscommon.You won't get better service and has definitely 100 tractors in stock.He sells a lot down my way so I would recommend him

HI Ya pat .

:pac:.....

Bass Reeves

muirsin wrote: »

Looking at buying some thing similar to OP. Seems to be a lot of Case 4240 on done deal. What do people here think of them.

The case 4240 is exactly same tractor as a 4230 only difference is that she is turbocharged. Biggest issue with these tractors was lads did not realize taht they need to be serviced regular not like a Massey or a Ford. They also took special oil in the back end. Some of the last of them had a shuttle.

Syncromesh was know to give problems but nowadays lads are used to fixing them. The 4240 tended to be bought by lads that were on a budget looking fora high HP tractor(she was over 100HP) compared to the 4230 which was 82HP. It is quitw hard to come across a good clean 4240. If you came across one with a shuttle you would have a good tractor.

Alibaba

Id go with 390T also.

Great all round tractor. Will last you for years.

Bass Reeves

Alibaba wrote: »

Id go with 390T also.

Great all round tractor. Will last you for years.

Not unless she has a shuttle. If you are feeding 300 bales of silage a shuttle on a tractor would be top of the list.

memorystick

In the market myself. Thinking of a JD 3050 or 2850 with a good loader. They seem very expensive. Ford 7740 or 7840 also dear.

tellmeabit

Bass Reeves wrote: »

If you think you will get away with a 2WD tractor I stick with it. I feed silage with a 2wd tractor with a spike on the back. It is as faster than a 4WD tractor and loader. If you could go another 3-5K you would get a flaking tractor with a shuttle great for yard work. Not sure if this is a bit low in the HP but I imagine it is at around 15K

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-4315/10318796

However these should also be in the 15K bracket
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-new-holland-tl-70a-2wd-tractor/12521941
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2000-new-holland-tl90-2wd/12444748

A tractor like this would last 20-30 years at what you are doing.

If you are grounded on 10K something like this ford would be ok but it has no shuttle

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1996-new-holland-5030-2wd-10495/12967377

A fiat in the 70/90, 80/90 or 90/90 would be in your price range however they can be rust prone.

You could also go back down in the money and buy an oldish clean tractor

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1394-case-international-2wd/12961805

rang about of one of the new Hollands yesterday, looking for 27000!

whelan2

Alibaba wrote: »

Id go with 390T also.

Great all round tractor. Will last you for years.

Had a 390t and have a case 885xl, give me the case anyday. Found the cab of the 390 very small and if I was in it for any lenght of time I would be like an 80 year old for a few hours after

lakill Farm

Tumosan wrote: »

I bought my tractor off pat brogan in Roscommon.You won't get better service and has definitely 100 tractors in stock.He sells a lot down my way so I would recommend him

I called him twice and he is shocking expensive and rude :rolleyes:

may or may not be true

White Clover

whelan2 wrote: »

Had a 390t and have a case 885xl, give me the case anyday. Found the cab of the 390 very small and if I was in it for any lenght of time I would be like an 80 year old for a few hours after

Your 390 probably had a lo profile cab. The hi line were more comfortable.

Sam Kade

tellmeabit wrote: »

rang about of one of the new Hollands yesterday, looking for 27000!

Which one? You'd get a decent 4wd with a loader for around 20k.

whelan2

White Clover wrote: »

Your 390 probably had a lo profile cab. The hi line were more comfortable.

Pick up hitch used to annoy me too

Bass Reeves

tellmeabit wrote: »

rang about of one of the new Hollands yesterday, looking for 27000!

It is often a matter of patience, these 2wd tractors come on the market often. If a dealer is looking for 27K for either of those it will sit in the yard until he finds a fool but they are around as well. Was looking at 2WD tractors lately and saw a JD 2250. Now the tractor was spotless it seems that the last owner a short time before he traded it in spend over 5K on it in the same garage and they had to give him a good trade in against a tractor a neighbour of his traded in.

Now that is all well and dandy but this was a 30year old tractor with gear sticks on the floor that was the last of its generation. There are 2WD tractors to be got for 13-16K that are well less than 20 years old it is a matter of patience. You just need to priotize what you want ie is a loader more important than a shuttle, is a 40K box a necessity etc.

TBH I am not a fan of loaders on a 2WD tractor I be trying to buy one that was without one but if there is make sure all the bushings are new on the front axle as the steering can be very wobbley after a loader is on a few years.

White Clover

whelan2 wrote: »

Pick up hitch used to annoy me too

You're spot on there. The hitches were crap on them.

tellmeabit

Sam Kade wrote: »

tellmeabit wrote: »

rang about of one of the new Hollands yesterday, looking for 27000!

Which one? You'd get a decent 4wd with a loader for around 20k.

the cork one:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-new-holland-tl-70a-2wd-tractor/12521941
2 wd. one of a kind he said

Sam Kade

tellmeabit wrote: »

the cork one:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-new-holland-tl-70a-2wd-tractor/12521941
2 wd. one of a kind he said

He must be hoping for a lotto winner to call in.

White Clover

tellmeabit wrote: »

the cork one:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-new-holland-tl-70a-2wd-tractor/12521941
2 wd. one of a kind he said

It's 10 grand too dear at that. I bought a 110hp 4wd tractor, same year as that with a third of the hours 2 years ago in England. Had it home and registered for a couple of grand less than he's asking.

Sam Kade

White Clover wrote: »

It's 10 grand too dear at that. I bought a 110hp 4wd tractor, same year as that with a third of the hours 2 years ago in England. Had it home and registered for a couple of grand less than he's asking.

Ah but his is one of a kind similar to the one in the picture, surely Cork Farm Machiney have a camera handy to take a photo of the tractor they are selling.

Tomjim

whelan2 wrote: »

Alibaba wrote: »

Id go with 390T also.

Great all round tractor. Will last you for years.

Had a 390t and have a case 885xl, give me the case anyday. Found the cab of the 390 very small and if I was in it for any lenght of time I would be like an 80 year old for a few hours after

is the case as heavy as the 390 when lifting a bale

whelan2

Tomjim wrote: »

is the case as heavy as the 390 when lifting a bale

Didnt have a loader on the 390t.

Tomjim

thanks just someone told me that the case 885 would be lighter than the 390. whats your view on it

White Clover

Tomjim wrote: »

is the case as heavy as the 390 when lifting a bale

An 856 would be a closer match to a 390T or 398.
To my mind the 885 had several weak points, notably that God awful left hand cable operated gear change. An inferior tractor compared to an 856 or even an 844.

lough135

You should be able to get a New Holland 6635, 7635 or their equivalent Fiat coloured L85, L95 for around that budget, they were the model before the TL90, TL100, there is a decent roomy cab on them compared to a 390/390T, there is plenty of Fiats and TL's around so there should be a good supply of parts and knowledge around to fix them

Bass Reeves

Tomjim wrote: »

is the case as heavy as the 390 when lifting a bale

The weight of a tractor has nothing to do with it ability to lift bales. The main things you want with lifting bales is how high the o/p of the hydrulic pumps are and the other main issue is the lenght of the arms at the back. The 885 would have higher pumps output than the 390

If the tractor is lifting at the front a weight carrier and a few weights sorts that or a loader.

FeelTheBern

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Tomjim wrote: »

is the case as heavy as the 390 when lifting a bale

The weight of a tractor has nothing to do with it ability to lift bales. The main things you want with lifting bales is how high the o/p of the hydrulic pumps are and the other main issue is the lenght of the arms at the back. The 885 would have higher pumps output than the 390


If the tractor is lifting at the front a weight carrier and a few weights sorts that or a loader.

For loader work though wouldn't the 390 be much better as it has a shuttle as opposed to the 885 with no shuttle?

selectamatic

FeelTheBern wrote: »

For loader work though wouldn't the 390 be much better as it has a shuttle as opposed to the 885 with no shuttle?

yes and no, Firstly an 885xl 4wd is heavier than a 4wd 390 and will out pull it in any sort of soft ground the 390 tends to spin up the rears unless weighted.
885 backend is plenty heavy enough for loader work and hydraulic output is fine too. The gears aren't greatly matched, too much of a speed variation between forward speeds and reverse. Shuttle is a must (for ease of operation) if your unloading big bale trailers or arctics or stacking in very tight spaces so here a shuttle box 390 would be superior, but outside of these scenarios a good operator can hold their own with non shuttle tractors. Also the turning circle on the 885 is far superior to the 390 in either 4wd or 2wd guise. 844 and 856 have the gear sticks on the more conventional right hand side and have a heavier backend so they should be considered too. But the long and the short of it is they're all good tractors it's just the 390 or 390t with shuttle will cost you approx at least 5k more.

Tomjim

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-new-holland-72-94/12435783


https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-7740/12970448

are these a bit expensive


https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1996-case-4240/12063024

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-international-956-xl/12839957

would it be hard to get a loader for the case

selectamatic

Tomjim wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-new-holland-72-94/12435783

is this a bit expensive

It's a handy clean well shod 4wd 1990's fiat with a modern loader on it so not really given the fact thats the go to criteria for many Irish stockmen.
It's still on uk plates though so that'd be my main issue. Also that series of fiat tractors hasn't the legendary status given to 90 series tractors. Finally 15k is a big outlay for a private sale so eyes wide open during inspection a good mechanic would be advisable too.

Case 4240's are strong for their size so many were overworked also need to be well serviced. that one has replacement drop arms going to the lift arms a sign its done a bit.
the ford is dear and some gave gearbox problems. but they are a nice tractor. sle 7840's are rockets on the road but they're 6 cylinder.
finally the 956xl is 6 cylinder so thirstier and bigger for maneuvering also harder put a loader on. It's backend is similar to an 856 and 844 (heavy duty) both of which are 4 cylinder.
These could be some others to consider
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/international-885xl-tractor/13002532?campaign=3 MK1 885xl with a good loader.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/same-explorer-90/12993908?campaign=3 (I'm assuming plus VAT)

whatever ya settle on be it off DD or a dealer have your eyes wide open and bring a good mechanic. Plenty of cowboys hawking rough tarted up yokes. Especially since tractors rose in price slightly.

Tomjim

what are the SAME explorer 90 like . a 1992 model

selectamatic

Tomjim wrote: »

what are the SAME explorer 90 like . a 1992 model

I know a few with them and the Lamborghini variant and they praise them fairly highly. Good cab on them and they sound great. Never heard of many horror stories about them.

White Clover

Op, A MF 398 with loader is all the tractor you'll need. It has the heavier backend like the 399 and is wider than the 390 coupled to the bomb proof perkins 4.236T engine. A super tractor.
There is one being traded in soon in the Midlands. It might be sold already for all i know A pm to Reggie about it might help you out.

Reggie.

White Clover wrote: »

Op, A MF 398 with loader is all the tractor you'll need. It has the heavier backend like the 399 and is wider than the 390 coupled to the bomb proof perkins 4.236T engine. A super tractor.
There is one being traded in soon in the Midlands. It might be sold already for all i know A pm to Reggie about it might help you out.

Afraid it's sold on already and I haven't even handed over the keys of her yet

Tomjim

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/renault-335x-loader/13312963


https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/renault-345x/13312928


What are these tractors like