Kids in Cafes

learn_more

I like to go out for the occasional coffee either by myself or with friends. Impossible nowadays to find a cafe that doesn't have the atmosphere of a school playground or a creche.

Maybe parents live in a dream-world where they believe that other patrons are only too happy to see their little darlings re-enact world war 2 with some plastic toys they've given them. I recall a time when kids were given things to shut them up - not to give them an opportunity to make even more noise.

And visually, it's the way the really mess up their table with crumbs, straws, sweet wrappers, on the plates , on the tables, on the seats, on the ground, while their parents light up and gossip; giving the occasional roar as to give the impression their being responsible parents. Really not the type of environment a grown adult would like to spend his or her time in.

I really think cafe owners should take some responsibility for all this. It's in their interest to come to a better arrangement after all. A one kid per table policy would be reasonable and wouldn't it make financial sense to have more paying adults seated that to have low spending riff raff sullying their establishment who scare off the more desirable clientèle ! I was never taken to cafes when I was a child. And quite right too. It's just a total lack of consideration that parents have these days which is a sign of our times. Sigh.

s4uv3

When I open my seaside café, children under ten will not be allowed in. The sign will say "LEAVE YOUR STICKY SNOTTY ****S AT HOME PLEASE"
Well behaved dogs are allowed though.

Ruu

My Jonny is an angle! :mad::mad:

corner of hells

learn_more wrote: »

I like to go out for the occasional coffee either by myself or with friends. Impossible nowadays to find a cafe that doesn't have the atmosphere of a school playground or a creche.

Maybe parents live in a dream-world where they believe that other patrons are only too happy to see their little darlings re-enact world war 2 with some plastic toys they've given them. I recall a time when kids were given things to shut them up - not to give them an opportunity to make even more noise.

And visually, it's the way the really mess up their table with crumbs, straws, sweet wrappers, on the plates , on the tables, on the seats, on the ground, while their parents light up and gossip; giving the occasional roar as to give the impression their being responsible parents. Really not the type of environment a grown adult would like to spend his or her time in.

I really think cafe owners should take some responsibility for all this. It's in their interest to come to a better arrangement after all. A one kid per table policy would be reasonable and wouldn't it make financial sense to have more paying adults seated that to have low spending riff raff sullying their establishment who scare off the more desirable clientèle ! I was never taken to cafes when I was a child. And quite right too. It's just a total lack of consideration that parents have these days which is a sign of our times. Sigh.

When you were a child things were different, you could kick the living ****e out of people who annoyed.
Nowadays you can't batter people senseless.

You should be grateful... going for coffee on your own ?

GreatDefector

Thinly veiled we're not parents thread

Story Bud?

s4uv3 wrote: »

When I open my seaside café, children under ten will not be allowed in. The sign will say "LEAVE YOUR STICKY SNOTTY ****S AT HOME PLEASE"
Well behaved dogs are allowed though.

NO WE WILL NOT HEAT YOUR FCUKING BOTTLE.

s4uv3

s4uv3 wrote: »

When I open my seaside café, children under ten will not be allowed in. The sign will say "LEAVE YOUR STICKY SNOTTY ****S AT HOME PLEASE"
Well behaved dogs are allowed though.

If a cafe allows dogs in, I don't want to be there.

Surreptitious

Another misuse of a possessive apostrophe. Yawn.

Story Bud?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a cafe allows dogs in, I don't want to be there.

Then you won't go there!

Todd Toddington III

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a cafe allows dogs in, I don't want to be there.

So you'll go elsewhere then?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Only last week I complimented a mother and father on their very well behaved children in my regular cafe. The little girl was 4 and the boy under a year. Polite, quiet, friendly, well mannered..

These kids were exceptional but it's not unheard of for well mannered orderly children to be seen in cafés.

darkpagandeath

GreatDefector wrote: »

Thinly veiled we're not parents thread

Nope bad parents thread....

Melodeon

Ruu wrote: »

My Jonny is an angle! :mad::mad:

A hardy crowd by all accounts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles

take everything

Sitting here trying to enjoy a quiet coffee and have to put up with random shrieks from the two year old at the next table.

Normally I'm OK with kids acting up a bit, and kids' laughter can be soothing even, but sometimes you wonder what goes through the parents' heads. Do they just not give a crap about controlling the behaviour (even a bit).

corner of hells

Thiago Jolly Star wrote: »

Only last week I complimented a mother and father on their very well behaved children in my regular cafe. The little girl was 4 and the boy under a year. Polite, quiet, friendly, well mannered..

These kids were exceptional but it's not unheard of for well mannered orderly children to be seen in cafés.

Oh that was me and hereself.
We drug the kids during the day.
Thanks

gifted

I love it...watching other people looking over tut tuting...usually the people who don't have kids because they're so miserable that no one wants to be with them.....rock on kids with the noises, it's one of lifes happy sounds...

syklops

Deleted User wrote: »

If a cafe allows dogs in, I don't want to be there.

LOL

Barry Badrinath

Thiago Jolly Star wrote: »

Only last week I complimented a mother and father on their very well behaved children in my regular cafe. The little girl was 4 and the boy under a year. Polite, quiet, friendly, well mannered..

These kids were exceptional but it's not unheard of for well mannered orderly children to be seen in cafés.

Yeah but they are outnumbered by little noisy cnutbags, throwing sh1t off the tables and screaming and screeching so loud that you try to telepathically shut the fcuker up.

All the while the gombeen fcuktard parents are seemingly oblivious to their little demon spawn causing people to be ear fcuked.

Fcuk off to McDonalds with your kids, cnuts.

Wigglepuppy

I'm surprised so many cafes you go to have a bunch of children in them - my experience of cafes is the opposite, they're not child friendly at all really, don't have any kids' menus. Maybe try a different type of cafe? E.g. the (dare I say it) "hipster" type instead of the more "mass appeal" type? (Yes I know I sound like a tosser but you know what I mean!)

MarkR

I'm just back from the shops with my son. Suffice to say, he gets flappy when he's happy. Special needs with sensory issues. But you go ahead and tut tut into your buttered scone while judging people. Must be great to be you.

I'll make a note to leave him at home in the cupboard next time.

Barry Badrinath

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a cafe allows dogs in, I don't want to be there.

If a cafe allows you in, I don't want to be there.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

McGruber wrote: »

Yeah but they are outnumbered by little noisy cnutbags, throwing sh1t off the tables and screaming and screeching so loud that you try to telepathically shut the fcuker up.

All the while the gombeen fcuktard parents are seemibgly oblivious to their little demon spawn causing people to be ear fcuked.

Fcuk off to McDonalds with your kids, cnuts.

I don' know what else to say except... I don't agree.


The bad mannered children are the minority in any cafés I use.

bigpink

Kids being bought to a restaurant cafe was a big treat and rare years ago now its oh a treat every week or day

syklops

MarkR wrote: »

I'm just back from the shops with my son. Suffice to say, he gets flappy when he's happy. Special needs with sensory issues. But you go ahead and tut tut into your buttered scone while judging people. Must be great to be you.

I'll make a note to leave him at home in the cupboard next time.

Nobody mentioned your special needs son. Why are you getting all butt-hurt?

s4uv3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If a cafe allows dogs in, I don't want to be there.

Conors are barred too. Soz bbz

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

syklops wrote: »

Nobody mentioned your special needs son. Why are you getting all butt-hurt?

Perhaps because so many obnoxious prats waffle on about the behaviour of children and bemoan that said children are allowed go anywhere, when the prats haven't a clue about children or what issues parents may be dealing with.

Discodog

I remember being in a restaurant in France on a Saturday night when the family goes out to dinner. Big table next to mine with the whole family on it. The kids were perched on phone books & behaved impeccably for the whole two hour dinner.

One young chap slipped off his phone books & landed on the floor. I expected to see people rushing to his aid but instead the parent pulled him up, clipped him around the ear & told him to sit still.

Barry Badrinath

Thiago Jolly Star wrote: »

I don' know what else to say except... I don't agree.


The bad mannered children are the minority in any cafés I use.

It's ok to disagree.

Ah in all honesty, I don't mind kids in cafes. They have to eat and parents need to live too.

It's just the ones that really act up when they don't want to be there that bug me. Picking stuff up and throwing it while the parents pretend not to see it.

Maybe I just notice the little bastards instead of the little angels.

s4uv3

MarkR wrote: »

I'm just back from the shops with my son. Suffice to say, he gets flappy when he's happy. Special needs with sensory issues. But you go ahead and tut tut into your buttered scone while judging people. Must be great to be you.

I'll make a note to leave him at home in the cupboard next time.

I wouldn't have a problem with a kid with special needs getting "flappy" in a café. Especially if he's happy or excited, because Christ the poor dotes can get fierce frustrated and upset at times.
It's the perfectly "able" kids that have no manners bet into them that I have a problem with.

syklops

Thiago Jolly Star wrote: »

Perhaps because so many obnoxious prats waffle on about the behaviour of children and bemoan that said children are allowed go anywhere, when the prats haven't a clue about children or what issues parents may be dealing with.

Give me a break.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

McGruber wrote: »

It's ok to disagree.

Ah in all honesty, I don't mind kids in cafes. They have to eat and parents need to live too.

It's just the ones that really act up when they don't want to be there that bug me. Picking stuff up and throwing it while the parents pretend not to see it.

Maybe I just notice the little bastards instead of the little angels.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. People rarely notice the well mannered kids. They also love to rant about the unruly ones.

Ted111

Sure there were no cafes in this country in the 1980s.
Maybe there was one on the southside somewhere.
For Charlie to take his fluzzies to.

If they even thought of letting childers past the door then their phones would be bugged.

Barry Badrinath

Ted111 wrote: »

Sure there were no cafes in this country in the 1980s.
Maybe there was one on the southside somewhere.
For Charlie to take his fluzzies to.

If they even thought of letting childers past the door then their phones would be bugged.

What?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

syklops wrote: »

Give me a break.

No, I don't think so.

I'm perfectly entitled to as much of a say as yourself.

Relax. It's hardly earth shattering.

I can't stand these threads that assume all kids are brats and all parents are inconsiderate slobs. You couldn't make generalizations like that about any other sector of society without (rightly) being rounded on.

Nobody likes badly behaved children, especially if their parents ignore the disturbance they cause, but they're rare enough.

jigglypuffstuff

learn_more wrote: »

I like to go out for the occasional coffee either by myself or with friends. Impossible nowadays to find a cafe that doesn't have the atmosphere of a school playground or a creche.

Maybe parents live in a dream-world where they believe that other patrons are only too happy to see their little darlings re-enact world war 2 with some plastic toys they've given them. I recall a time when kids were given things to shut them up - not to give them an opportunity to make even more noise.

And visually, it's the way the really mess up their table with crumbs, straws, sweet wrappers, on the plates , on the tables, on the seats, on the ground, while their parents light up and gossip; giving the occasional roar as to give the impression their being responsible parents. Really not the type of environment a grown adult would like to spend his or her time in.

I really think cafe owners should take some responsibility for all this. It's in their interest to come to a better arrangement after all. A one kid per table policy would be reasonable and wouldn't it make financial sense to have more paying adults seated that to have low spending riff raff sullying their establishment who scare off the more desirable clientèle ! I was never taken to cafes when I was a child. And quite right too. It's just a total lack of consideration that parents have these days which is a sign of our times. Sigh.

Children are humans

Children have just as much right to be there as you do, although it would appear you think that you have some superior right to be there

The only lack of consideration I see here from your perspective

Seems to me you've got some growing up to do

whatdoicare

Well, Mc Donalds coffee is manky and if I don't get my coffee it's very likely I'll beat everyone around me who looks at me funny to death with said children and I'm a "bad mother" if I go into a bar and order a gin and tonic - so really, it's in everyones best interests that I be allowed into a cafe with my child.

If kids arent supposed to be in cafes then why do they do kids specials? Cafes are traditionally a family thing. Go to Spain or France and you'll see that.


Also, really? A manky dog that sticks it's nose in ****e every chance it gets sitting in a cafe? Barf.
And don't even try to say your dog doesn't do that or I'll laugh at you.

Story Bud?

there was a wickle kid in aldi just now singing at the top of her voice.

WINKLE WINKLE WITTLE STAW.

Awwww she was the CUTEST.

syklops

Thiago Jolly Star wrote: »

No, I don't think so.

I'm perfectly entitled to as much of a say as yourself.

Relax. It's hardly earth shattering.

I never questioned your right to speak FFS.

Story Bud?

whatdoicare wrote: »

Well, Mc Donalds coffee is manky and if I don't get my coffee it's very likely I'll beat everyone around me who looks at me funny to death with said children and I'm a "bad mother" if I go into a bar and order a gin and tonic - so really, it's in everyones best interests that I be allowed into a cafe with my child.

If kids arent supposed to be in cafes then why do they do kids specials? Cafes are traditionally a family thing. Go to Spain or France and you'll see that.


Also, really? A manky dog that sticks it's nose in ****e every chance it gets sitting in a cafe? Barf.
And don't even try to say your dog doesn't do that or I'll laugh at you.

My dog doesn't do that. She's the perfick pooch. Manky indeed. How very dare you.

s4uv3

pone2012 wrote: »

Children have just as much right to be there as you do

Nuh uh. My café, my rules. Oot ta fack kiddiewinks!

Keane2baMused

syklops wrote: »

Give me a break.

What's a break? I'm too busy trying to keep my ASD son quiet in case he may offend your precious ears.

In all seriousness though, for the most part parents do their best. Life is not always as simple or black and white as you want to think. My son by no means gets away with bad manners, rudeness or any crappy behaviour. However some tolerance and understanding is truly appreciated when the behaviour he physically cannot help occurs (due to sensory overload). We have to teach him how to cope in this noisy world and we can't do that by staying at home.

I will never forgot leaving a supermarket in tears with my son screaming and kicking me and getting tutted at by those who obviously had me down as one of those "bad parents" with a 'bratty child'. I only go to family orientated places with my kids so I don't feel like I'm ruining other people's peace and quiet or that all eyes are on me if there is some giddiness or god forbid a meltdown.

Try for a second to imagine how stressful it can be for the person.

This thread was done not too long ago anyway. Someone had their lunch ruined by a father making his child shriek with laughter.

Estrellita

learn_more wrote: »

I like to go out for the occasional coffee either by myself or with friends. Impossible nowadays to find a cafe that doesn't have the atmosphere of a school playground or a creche.

Why don't you invite all of your friends around to your place for coffee? You can all have a bitch fest about parents and children there uninterrupted.

Grayditch

It's annoying if it turns into a bit of a circus. Not the kids' fault, a cafe must be such a boring place to be for an hour, which I've seen parents do. Switch off the part of their ears that hears their kids shouting, so they can have a natter.

Maybe a good pub is just a better place to have a coffee these days.

Lucyfur

Story Bud? wrote: »

there was a wickle kid in aldi just now singing at the top of her voice.

WINKLE WINKLE WITTLE STAW.

Awwww she was the CUTEST.

There was a ruby king charles on the beach earlier. I little person waddled up to it roaring ''MUMMY MUMMY LOOKIT THE BABY LION''

Awww.

I'd love to be able to bring my dog out for coffee. When's this seaside place open?

syklops

Keane2baMused wrote: »

What's a break? I'm too busy trying to keep my ASD son quiet in case he may offend your precious ears.

In all seriousness though, for the most part parents do their best. Life is not always as simple or black and white as you want to think. My son by no means gets away with bad manners, rudeness or any crappy behaviour. However some tolerance and understanding is truly appreciated when the behaviour he physically cannot help occurs (due to sensory overload). We have to teach him how to cope in this noisy world and we can't do that by staying at home.

I will never forgot leaving a supermarket in tears with my son screaming and kicking me and getting tutted at by those who obviously had me down as one of those "bad parents" with a 'bratty child'. I only go to family orientated places with my kids so I don't feel like I'm ruining other people's peace and quiet or that all eyes are on me if there is some giddiness or god forbid a meltdown.

Try for a second to imagine how stressful it can be for the person.

This thread was done not too long ago anyway. Someone had their lunch ruined by a father making his child shriek with laughter.

The first posters to mention special needs children were the parents of special needs children. Ive seen lots of examples of badly behaved children in the last couple of weeks - none of them were special needs, they were just badly behaved with parents who didnt care to try and do anything. And no-one is talking about a bit of giddiness. Few people would have a problem with kids being kids. Ear-piercing screeching is not ok. Parents who ignore that and think its fine are the problem.

Everyone has things going on in their lives.

s4uv3

Lucyfur wrote: »

There was a ruby king charles on the beach earlier. I little person waddled up to it roaring ''MUMMY MUMMY LOOKIT THE BABY LION''

Awww.

I'd love to be able to bring my dog out for coffee. When's this seaside place open?

Give it a couplea years. You can be in charge of the dog snack choices.

whatdoicare

Story Bud? wrote: »

My dog doesn't do that. She's the perfick pooch. Manky indeed. How very dare you.

Hahahahahahahaha :pac: HA!







You're dog does too and you know it.

Keane2baMused

syklops wrote: »

The first posters to mention special needs children were the parents of special needs children. Ive seen lots of examples of badly behaved children in the last couple of weeks - none of them were special needs, they were just badly behaved with parents who didnt care to try and do anything. And no-one is talking about a bit of giddiness. Few people would have a problem with kids being kids. Ear-piercing screeching is not ok. Parents who ignore that and think its fine are the problem.

Everyone has things going on in their lives.

That's not the point. You're missing it entirely.

Having some tolerance and understanding for people in general is the point.

My son, to other people is just a brat going ballistic when he has a meltdown. I don't carry a sign around saying my son has autism.

Lucyfur

s4uv3 wrote: »

Give it a couplea years. You can be in charge of the dog snack choices.

Oh I'm good at that. So I am. Hippy doggy treats for everyone!

ThisRegard

It's great being in cafés with your kids and watching angry strangers glare at yours kids but are afraid to make eye contact with you. You know they're raging within themselves and possibly rant on the internet about it.