Dry mastitis

blonde10

Evening all.
Any one here havin trouble with dry cows getting mastitis,we have came across 2 in the last week...has anyone heard of a cure in liquid paraffin and water injected up into the Elder..
Just something I heard of..

Kovu

blonde10 wrote: »

Evening all.
Any one here havin trouble with dry cows getting mastitis,we have came across 2 in the last week...has anyone heard of a cure in liquid paraffin and water injected up into the Elder..
Just something I heard of..

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that bit. Don't do that and whoever you head it from don't listen to them again.

As far as I can recall, dry cow mastitis is treated the same as mastitis in a lactating cow so a course of antibiotics anyway. It's the sort of thing you can ring a vet and they'll give you whatever injections she needs, no need for him to call out to you.

Farrell

I've a cow with mastitis (lost calf with Pneumonia) back quarter, rock hard, got bit milked out first few days, 50ml of Betamox LA every second day & tube put in bad teat 2 of days. Elder is not as big, but quarter is still hard & could get nothing out tonight.
Being advised to give Cider vinegar

Markcheese

I'm inclined to agree with kovu.. might be worth giving a sample to the vet so at least you'll be treating with the right thing ...
Might also be worth bringing all your dry cows through a crush or parlour and teat dipping and putting fly repellent on..
There may be all sorts of things that can help mastitis... udder mint,massaging warm water, ,compresses,what ever. But by the time you've spotted it on a dry cow ,its time to treat it properly...

Nobbies

Had atouch of masitis in dry heifer lastwk.luckly got her in good time.terexine tubes i used.alot of flys round here last couple of weeks in particular.so done all with pour on and aspray of stockholm tar all to help keep flys away for awee while anyway.yrs bck when imilked often give acow with bad mastitis 2litres of cider down the hatch for ahard quarter and spend awhile massaging real butter on the quarter.really it all helps relieve the heat and hardness.and acloth soaked in diesel too.

Sam Kade

Is elder some new word for udder

greysides

Sam Kade wrote: »

Is elder some new word for udder

Yes.

At thus time of year most dry cow mastitis will be 'Summer Mastitis', spread by flies and the secretion stinks. The quarter is effectively gone by the time you notice it. The cow is often lame and may have swollen legs. Prevention is definitely better than cure and even that isn't completely effective. The object is to save the cows life and maintain her pregnancy.
Conventional mastitis treatment is all that can be done, with regular stripping of the quarter.

If liquid paraffin/water worked I'm sure we'd all have heard about it and be using it for all cases of mastitis due to it's cheapness. There could be a very low milk withdrawal period and the milk would be great for people who don't get enough fibre in their diets. If the animals were milked at night, the milk could get more added value and be targeted at those who can't sleep also. It could be the next big thing for Dairygold to market to countries with ageing populations and put us one up on the NZ lads.;)

Farrell

Greyside, I've noticed the cow stiffer the 2nd day after the injection.
Is the butter effective? How much would you use at a time?

Never wrestle with pigs

Note to self, keep my gob shut when stripping the cow. Got a gob of nice smelly stuff today when a big curd released, I'd say I was spitting for two hours.

Vet said that the last few days have been mad with the amount of mastitis.

Never wrestle with pigs

Farrell wrote: »

Greyside, I've noticed the cow stiffer the 2nd day after the injection.
Is the butter effective? How much would you use at a time?

Waste of time, strip out what you can and give antibiotic for the next few days. Yellow and white antibiotics work well together.

Farrell

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Waste of time, strip out what you can and give antibiotic for the next few days. Yellow and white antibiotics work well together.

What about not being able to get anything out?

whelan2

Farrell wrote: »

What about not being able to get anything out?

The likes of cheno unction will help them let the stuff down, if the spin is blocked maybe consider cutting it off to get the posion to run out

Farrell

whelan2 wrote: »

The likes of cheno unction will help them let the stuff down, if the spin is blocked maybe consider cutting it off to get the posion to run out

Thanks, Vet out so

Markcheese

Farrell wrote:

Greyside, I've noticed the cow stiffer the 2nd day after the injection. Is the butter effective? How much would you use at a time?

Could be wrong ,but I think its the massaging that does the trick...
I've used udder mint, supposed to help cool the quarter, it'll definitly leave you tingling...

Markcheese

whelan2 wrote:

The likes of cheno unction will help them let the stuff down, if the spin is blocked maybe consider cutting it off to get the posion to run out

Whats in cheno unction ??
Maybe ring the vet for advice... especially if its sickening the cow.. how many times a day are you massaging /trying to strip the udder..

greysides

Markcheese wrote: »

Could be wrong ,but I think its the massaging that does the trick...
I've used udder mint, supposed to help cool the quarter, it'll definitly leave you tingling...

That's my take on it. Few people have the time to dedicate to regular stripping. Lancing the teat is a huge help as it allows the toxins to drain. The downside is that all that stuff is full of infection and flies landing on it will transfer it. Another problem is that there can be a lot of bleeding in acute cases.

whelan2

Do ye remember the episode of All creatures great and small were the farmer stayed up stripping the cow out all night. Vet here says that stripping the cow out is my penance :cool: Its all about getting the toxins out. Agree sometimes if the spin is cut off they will bleed but the relief for the cow is instant

mistybluehills

whelan2 wrote: »

Do ye remember the episode of All creatures great and small were the farmer stayed up stripping the cow out all night. Vet here says that stripping the cow out is my penance :cool: Its all about getting the toxins out. Agree sometimes if the spin is cut off they will bleed but the relief for the cow is instant

Remember that story alright.... always sounded like a bit of a tall tale!

Good fly control is key this time of the year; avoiding fly-ish areas e.g. like next to forestry/bog, using the Stockholm tar, proper pour ons and close monitoring of the stock for early signs like lameness.
Hopefully your vet gave you the detail on prevention for the rest of the herd while he was out. If not, you should ask him for some pointers
Hell of a smell off the stuff that comes out of the udder by the way....manky manky... dont envy your job there

tanko

Does anyone use those fly repellant ear tags, are they any good?

whelan2

tanko wrote: »

Does anyone use those fly repellant ear tags, are they any good?

Tar twice a week , pouron every few weeks. Also if the ground is warm they can get mastitis, so no tag will stop it.

mistybluehills

tanko wrote: »

Does anyone use those fly repellant ear tags, are they any good?

I didn't even know they could still be got....
Prevention is a combination of many things, so together with other things, they might be helpful... but on their own, I couldnt see them working
It's a bit of a curse of a disease
Gaurenteed to get a case in your nice heifer on a Sunday afternoon/evening that you had gone away to watch your county playing and you say " a sure I checked them this morning, theyll be grand if i dont go back this evening - only to see your nice heifer half b***xed on Monday morning "

jimini0

I have aa dry cow with mastitis. Tubed her and antibiotics for 4 days. Saved one of the quarters but unfortunately couldn't save one. The teat was huge and rock hard. The vet didn't want to lance it. She is in good form eating away the last few days. The teat is well swollen now. Will it burst? And if it does are my options? She is around 6 weeks in calf

tanko

jimini0 wrote: »

I have aa dry cow with mastitis. Tubed her and antibiotics for 4 days. Saved one of the quarters but unfortunately couldn't save one. The teat was huge and rock hard. The vet didn't want to lance it. She is in good form eating away the last few days. The teat is well swollen now. Will it burst? And if it does are my options? She is around 6 weeks in calf

When did she calve last?

jimini0

tanko wrote: »

When did she calve last?

June 2015. I didn't manage to get her in calf last year.

tanko

I don't know whether it'll burst without being lanced. If she was my cow, she'd be off to the factory as soon as the withdrawal period is up for the antibiotics (assuming she keeps in good form).
She must be seriously fat at this stage.

whelan2

jimini0 wrote: »

June 2015. I didn't manage to get her in calf last year.

Out the gate

jimini0

She is being sold along with 3 others. Sick of sucklers. Had a bad very bad year.
She has 12 days withdrawal left. She is not overly fat as I kept her on rough grazing since she was not in calf.
I have never sent anything to the factory. I guess she will have be aborted. I will talk to local dealer and see what he can do with her.

Kovu

jimini0 wrote: »

June 2015. I didn't manage to get her in calf last year.

2015???
Why is she still with ye? The gate ta fook!

jimini0

Kovu wrote: »

2015???
Why is she still with ye? The gate ta fook!

I had just taken over this hobby farm from the ould fella and he loved that cow. It was his favorite so I said I would keep her. And get her in calf this year. Things then didn't go so well for me at this suckler game.

Kovu

jimini0 wrote: »

I had just taken over this hobby farm from the ould fella and he loved that cow. It was his favorite so I said I would keep her. And get her in calf this year. Things then didn't go so well for me at this suckler game.

Ah! I had the same this year. It''ll go right for you next year

jimini0

Kovu wrote: »

Ah! I had the same this year. It''ll go right for you next year

No sucklers are gone. First thing that happened was a heavily pregnant cow fell into a drain nearly died. then another bathered her leg in the crush nerve damaged. Then a cow through out dead twins and now this

jimini0

Well the bloody udder bust.
Walked down the field this morning before work and seen the white crap dripping out. There is a nice 2 inch hole. Will bring her in later and try clean it.

tanko

jimini0 wrote: »

Well the bloody udder bust.
Walked down the field this morning before work and seen the white crap dripping out. There is a nice 2 inch hole. Will bring her in later and try clean it.

Is she in good form, eating and chewing her cud?

jimini0

tanko wrote: »

Is she in good form, eating and chewing her cud?

Ya she is in good form chewing the cud. No stiffness in joints.

greysides

Just remember the crud that drops out is infectious to other cows. She would be best kept away from other breeding females if possible.

FeelTheBern

greysides wrote: »

Just remember the crud that drops out is infectious to other cows. She would be best kept away from other breeding females if possible.

Agreed. Good advice to separate any animal with summer mastitis from other cows/heifers even if hasn't burst out yet.

whelan2

also good fly control, tar and pour on

greysides

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Agreed. Good advice to separate any animal with summer mastitis from other cows/heifers even if hasn't burst out yet.

Even heifer calves as it can spread and lie dormant until they are pregnant.

jimini0

I have her left in the yard for tonight. I'm hoping to get her sold over the weekend. Hopefully local dealer will take her then off to factory when aborted and withdrawal period is up

FeelTheBern

jimini0 wrote: »

I have her left in the yard for tonight. I'm hoping to get her sold over the weekend. Hopefully local dealer will take her then off to factory when aborted and withdrawal period is up

Try not to get too negative about her or what she's worth! I'm sure the local dealer will be negative enough on her value for the both of you when he comes to look at her - may even offer to buy here off you to save you hassle with her... Reality is that if the quarter has burst it will drain away grand and if she's over initial sickness she'll be fine. So my advice would be to hold onto her (isolated or with bullocks) in a handy paddock until withdraw period up and then tip off to factory with her.

jimini0

Well just an update. Cow is doing good. I have cleaned the udder twice and applied Cheno unction. Had a fella look at her on yesterday. He said she will be fine. The dealer is calling this eve for a look. Hopefully he will take her. He said she will have to be aborted soon so she can be ready for the factory for Tuesday week

bogman_bass

Nobbies wrote: »

Had atouch of masitis in dry heifer lastwk.luckly got her in good time.terexine tubes i used.alot of flys round here last couple of weeks in particular.so done all with pour on and aspray of stockholm tar all to help keep flys away for awee while anyway.yrs bck when imilked often give acow with bad mastitis 2litres of cider down the hatch for ahard quarter and spend awhile massaging real butter on the quarter.really it all helps relieve the heat and hardness.and acloth soaked in diesel too.

how are any of those going to treat a bacterial infection?

Kovu

Nobbies wrote: »

yrs bck when imilked

bogman_bass wrote: »

how are any of those going to treat a bacterial infection?

I'd expect that in this day and age of modern veterinary medicine that Nobbies does not carry this out any more......hopefully :pac:

bogman_bass

strip. tube. repeat.

trixi2011

jimini0 wrote: »

Well just an update. Cow is doing good. I have cleaned the udder twice and applied Cheno unction. Had a fella look at her on yesterday. He said she will be fine. The dealer is calling this eve for a look. Hopefully he will take her. He said she will have to be aborted soon so she can be ready for the factory for Tuesday week

Does a cow that far away from calving have to be aborted to factory them ?

Mooooo

I'd agree with trixi, don't bother aborting, if she is going to factory in a week or so. If you were going fattening her for a few months fair enough if she is very thin. Is dealer buying off you to sell on as a fattener or fatten himself I wonder?

jimini0

Mooooo wrote: »

I'd agree with trixi, don't bother aborting, if she is going to factory in a week or so. If you were going fattening her for a few months fair enough if she is very thin. Is dealer buying off you to sell on as a fattener or fatten himself I wonder?

I don't know what his plan is. Maybe he just wants me to pay for the abortion so he can fatten her for a few months.

FeelTheBern

jimini0 wrote: »

Mooooo wrote: »

I'd agree with trixi, don't bother aborting, if she is going to factory in a week or so. If you were going fattening her for a few months fair enough if she is very thin. Is dealer buying off you to sell on as a fattener or fatten himself I wonder?

I don't know what his plan is. Maybe he just wants me to pay for the abortion so he can fatten her for a few months.

Not wanting to be overly cynical but think that dealer may be taking you for a bit of a ride here if he's saying you need to inject that cow to abort here before you can send her to factory. Could you ask a neighbour to have a look at her and see if she's fit to kill? Or else stick up a photo here and the lads will tell you soon enough. Sounds from earlier posts like she's fat. Whatever you do don't sell her to dealer to take her off your hands without getting some kind of independent view on her.

jimini0

Sorry only photo I managed to get my phone died. She is not fat but in good condition.

FeelTheBern

jimini0 wrote: »

Sorry only photo I managed to get my phone died. She is not fat but in good condition.

Looks like well fleshed cow to me that would be fine for factory - certainly not sick looking anyway. Maybe Kovu or one of other mods might be able to link this over to the Beef Price Tracker thread to get some advice from the experts!

Kovu

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Looks like well fleshed cow to me that would be fine for factory - certainly not sick looking anyway. Maybe Kovu or one of other mods might be able to link this over to the Beef Price Tracker thread to get some advice from the experts!

Aye up. One min.