Are We Falling Away from Reality?

ClovenHoof

I think it was at the Roger Waters 'The Wall' concert in Dublin a few years back when I noticed this for the first time. About 75% of the stadium were watching the concert though their ipads and smart phones while the actual real Roger Waters was right in front of them. Most of the crowd were completely wasted on booze and about a few hundred people in the Arriva were actually watching a concert with their own eyes and listening with their own ears. To the rest of the Arivva stadium, there were not involved in the process directly.

I go around town and people are walking and 'socialising' constantly staring into their smart phones like it is some kind of scrying device or orecle waiting for it to reveal secrets of the world around them, if they only open their eyes and look up from the iPhone or Android.

My cousin works in a mobile shop and she regularly has to deal with grown adults, often men in their 30s, crying in the shop because they can't get on facebook or instagram and are completely traumatised by it. They have no concept of life without the drip-feed narcisscism of social media. It is a very real drug to them.

and now, we have Pokemon Go. Millions of people running around chasing the imaginary phantoms and spirits of the electro-magnetic specturm in public parks filled with flowers, people and bird song all of which they are oblivious too as someone sights a Pickachu in the empty bandstand where no live music is played.

califano

If people of previous generations had these types of devices they would be doing the very same thing.

ScumLord

I think it's a fad. I'm sure social media is here to stay and may be somehow formalised in the future but this obsession is just because it's a new thing. Smartphones are most peoples introduction to the wonders of technologies that have been around for decades, it's just that now it's been simplified to the point that even people that have no clue what's going on can take part.

The next generation could very well turn around and want everything to be real experiences. They'll have grown up with social media being well established by their parents and something to rebel against.

Get off my lawn

RikkFlair

We have become comfortably numb.

ClovenHoof

califano wrote: »

If people of previous generations had these types of devices they would be doing the very same thing.

What a pointless and trite statement. Congradulations, you have passed your civil service exam.

VinLieger

Oh look another luddite worried about society changing cus of the new thing everyone is doing with technology.

Cus until now parks and public transport had nobody reading books or newspapers in them or people out taking pictures and videos at concerts.

Maybe if you took your head out of your ass you might notice the countless stories out there of people talking about how they went to a park they had never been to before and discovered how beautiful it is, or the other stories of how it gave people with crippling anxiety the courage to interact with others for once, or the stories of how children with autism and other similar issues are now interacting with others like they never have before all because of Pokemon Go

No of course not, its awful that people who would otherwise be sitting inside on couches are outside exercising and interacting with others cus they arent doing it the correct way your view of the world demands.

Get over yourself, your not original with this tired faux outrage just cus you don't understand it.

ClovenHoof

VinLieger wrote: »

Oh look another luddite worried about society changing cus of the new thing everyone is doing with technology.

Cus until now parks and public transport had nobody reading books or newspapers in them or people out taking pictures and videos at concerts.

Maybe if you took your head out of your ass you might notice the countless stories out there of people talking about how they went to a park they had never been to before and discovered how beautiful it is, or the other stories of how it gave people with crippling anxiety the courage to interact with others for once, or the stories of how children with autism and other similar issues are now interacting with others like they never have before all because of Pokemon Go

No of course not, its awful that people who would otherwise be sitting inside on couches are outside exercising and interacting with others cus they arent doing it the correct way your view of the world demands.

Get over yourself, your not original with this tired faux outrage just cus you don't understand it.

Let me guess. You are some delicate hipster with some fashionable fibromyalgia symptoms trying to launch an app? This is your only option in life as you cant do much else really, and even with that beard and lumberjack shirt you'll never be able to catch a fish for dinner?

Am I right!

VinLieger

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Let me guess. You are some delicate hipster with some fashionable fibromyalgia symptoms trying to launch an app? This is your only option in life as you cant do much else really, and even with that beard and lumberjack shirt you'll never be able to catch a fish for dinner?

Am I right!

LOL poor attempt at baiting.

Its sad really that you cant open your mind that some people might enjoy things that are different than what you do and to hide your fear of change must insult them instead of simply accepting "hey things change".

Sky King

That grey matter you are so proud of is nothing but a fun house mirror broadcasting distorted signals from a reality forever beyond your grasp

Your Face

Itsa not lika the old country.
These bambini, always with the smartphone.

Speedwell

The last time I checked, technological devices like computers and smartphones were real things, and the people you interact with through them were real people, and the games you play on them are no more unreal than the kings and queens in a chess game.

Alf Stewart.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I think it was at the Roger Waters 'The Wall' concert in Dublin a few years back when I noticed this for the first time. About 75% of the stadium were watching the concert though their ipads and smart phones while the actual real Roger Waters was right in front of them. Most of the crowd were completely wasted on booze and about a few hundred people in the Arriva were actually watching a concert with their own eyes and listening with their own ears. To the rest of the Arivva stadium, there were not involved in the process directly.

Flamin Norah. I'm not known as a technology God nor nothin, but even I know they were probably recording the gig, so as to relive the show at another time.

Move over Gates, ya flamin mongrel.

Dyr

ClovenHoof wrote: »

hundred people in the Arriva were actually watching a concert with their own eyes and listening with their own ears. To the rest of the Arivva stadium, there were not involved in the process directly.

You're deffo falling away from reality if you were watching that gig in the Arriva stadium

I think technology is just showing us that most people are fkin morons.

I accidentally swallowed an ice cube whole yesterday and still have not passed it, should I be concerned?

Tombi!

modVinLieger, ClovenHoof, play nice with one another.

weisses

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL poor attempt at baiting.

Its sad really that you cant open your mind that some people might enjoy things that are different than what you do and to hide your fear of change must insult them instead of simply accepting "hey things change".

Its a bit of a problem when using the "open your mind" phrase to defend your point .....

If you can see what mobile devices can do for you .. You also should be able to see what they can do to you ... If you cannot ..then you have a problem

ScumLord

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Flamin Norah. I'm not known as a technology God nor nothin, but even I know they were probably recording the gig, so as to relive the show at another time.

Move over Gates, ya flamin mongrel.

Does anybody actually go home and listen to their ****y recording of the concert? I've seen people show of their video and about all it can show people is your rough location in the audience. Once everyone see's the horrendous quality they just nod and smile and the videos nevers see's the light of day again.

I think most people are just recording hoping something youtube worthy happens.

Squall Leonhart

Incidentally I was at that gig, and I don't seem to recall a mere few hundred of the thousands there watching it with their own eyes.

It was quite the spectacular show, very very theatrical.

weisses

Deleted User wrote: »

I accidentally swallowed an ice cube whole yesterday and still have not passed it, should I be concerned?

Yes ... You should share all your crap on social media so we can all help you check if there is an issue ..... interpret it the way you want

VinLieger

weisses wrote: »

Its a bit of a problem when using the "open your mind" phrase to defend your point .....

If you can see what mobile devices can do for you .. You also should be able to see what they can do to you ... If you cannot ..then you have a problem

Huh?

Im assuming you mean the detractors of having mobile devices then yeah sure of course they have problems, however you could say the same of the OP refusing to see any positives they have. Notice i posted 3 positive outcomes of Pokemon Go and the OP responded with a poor attempt at insulting me and ignored the substance of my post cus its not convenient to their argument

Sky King

weisses wrote: »

Yes ... You should share all your crap on social media so we can all help you check if there is an issue ..... interpret it the way you want

Were not at that stage yet. Right now technology limits us to pictures and videos of the crap.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Hopelessly passing your time in the grassland away,
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air,
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about,

jacksie66

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super_furry

Everyone should enjoy things the exact same way I enjoy them and if they don't, they should change.

weisses

VinLieger wrote: »

Huh?

Im assuming you mean the detractors of having mobile devices then yeah sure of course they have problems, however you could say the same of the OP refusing to see any positives they have. Notice i posted 3 positive outcomes of Pokemon Go and the OP responded with a poor attempt at insulting me and ignored the substance of my post cus its not convenient to their argument

I agree with the point he is making ... except the pokemon thinghy maybe ( I dont like it but will blame my age for that)

saying the below i don't think you get the point what it could do to you

VinLieger wrote: »

Get over yourself, your not original with this tired faux outrage just cus you don't understand it.

Doctor DooM

All the things you discuss are real. Facebook is real. Social media is real. A conversation held over an IM client is a real conversation. People who make friends and meet up from boards are real friends.

Perhaps the issue is people trying to define reality as what was normal when they were young. That is something that's real too.

Junkyard Tom

ScumLord wrote: »

The next generation could very well turn around and want everything to be real experiences. They'll have grown up with social media being well established by their parents and something to rebel against.

I think the opposite. In the future people will probably look back and say 'how did people cope with their mundane lives without augmented/virtual reality'.

Maybe everything in the future will be boxy and grey when you switch off your augmented/virtual reality. Why have magnolia walls when you can have it appear that you're sitting in a lush tropical forest by a waterfall.

VinLieger

weisses wrote: »

I agree with the point he is making ... except the pokemon thinghy maybe ( I dont like it but will blame my age for that)

saying the below i don't think you get the point what it could do to you

Please enlighten me then as I'm unsure the point your trying to make

I'm curious as you agree with the OP do you think the OPs opinions is coming from a place of concern like yourself or is is more anger/fear of something they don't like/understand?

Permabear

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Agricola

It's a double edged sword. While it is a bit annoying that smartphones and social media are so pervasive now and clearly are taking people out of first hand experiences, whether that be sitting in the pub ignoring people around them or going to a gig to spend their time being a cameraman, the flip side is people are more connected than they ever, less chance of isolation, youtube is stuffed with clips of things you'd never ordinarily see yourself. The pros outweigh the cons. Maybe as it becomes less of a hot new thing people will settle down a bit with the hysteria about it. The Facebook likes thing is the biggest culprit.

weisses

VinLieger wrote: »

Please enlighten me then as I'm unsure the point your trying to make

I'm curious as you agree with the OP do you think the OPs opinions is coming from a place of concern like yourself or is is more anger/fear of something they don't like/understand?

I think its about concern ... I hate those ejits in front of me with their mobiles or worse ipads above their head filming a concert. (we need more mosh pits)

Am I old fashioned if I want a mobile free restaurant ?

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/665420/ban-mobile-phones-in-restaurants-say-majority-of-brits

or this in relation to something people dont like or understand

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/cell-phones-promote-serious-social-psychological-i/

ClovenHoof

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL poor attempt at baiting.

Its sad really that you cant open your mind that some people might enjoy things that are different than what you do and to hide your fear of change must insult them instead of simply accepting "hey things change".

amazing how you tried to jump on my comment with a trite old clichie of your own before I easily ripped you a new one of techiboy.

biko

The most annoying thing with these people is that they block my camera angle with their devices :mad:

marcbrophy

Anyone remember that movie with Bruce Willis called Surrogates?

I think that is more prophecy than fiction at this stage

VinLieger

weisses wrote: »

I think its about concern ... I hate those ejits in front of me with their mobiles or worse ipads above their head filming a concert. (we need more mosh pits)

Am I old fashioned if I want a mobile free restaurant ?

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/665420/ban-mobile-phones-in-restaurants-say-majority-of-brits

or this in relation to something people dont like or understand

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/cell-phones-promote-serious-social-psychological-i/

I would agree with mobile free restaurants and yes there is definitely a concern with things the washnigton times article brings up however again I point to Pokemon go, people are outside and interacting in the real world while playing on their phones. This is the first foray into AR and due to its outrageous popularity it wont be the last we see of it. People are enjoying the social aspect just as much as the game aspect so it will likely be something encouraged and developed upon by both Niantic, who make the pokemon app, and whoever creates the next big game.

Technology is ever evolving and theres no reason it cant also then be the solution to the same problems it creates.

weisses

VinLieger wrote: »

I would agree with mobile free restaurants and yes there is definitely a concern with things the washnigton times article brings up however again I point to Pokemon go, people are outside and interacting in the real world while playing on their phones. This is the first foray into AR and due to its outrageous popularity it wont be the last we see of it. People are enjoying the social aspect just as much as the game aspect so it will likely be something encouraged and developed upon by both Niantic, who make the pokemon app, and whoever creates the next big game.

Technology is ever evolving and theres no reason it cant also then be the solution to the same problems it creates.

I love AR myself very handy when looking at the stars Heck I will even try out VR .. Nothing wrong with technology but there are some serious issues which the OP tackled as well

And I don't think your

Get over yourself, your not original with this tired faux outrage just cus you don't understand it

Was only aimed at the pokemon bit

VinLieger

weisses wrote: »

I love AR myself very handy when looking at the stars Heck I will even try out VR .. Nothing wrong with technology but there are some serious issues which the OP tackled as well

And I don't think your



Was only aimed at the pokemon bit

The OP tackled nothing seriously, their language was belligerent, intentionally ignorant of the fact that people were likely recording the concert to watch again in a few years, as well as completely ignoring the many good stories and effects about pokemon go which again once pointed out to them they immediately went on the defensive to insult me as my points didn't suit their narrative of "smart phones = bad" and every post since then has just been an attempt to bait me into replying to them in a similar manner.

That attitude reads to me as someone who is just looking to rant about something they don't like/understand and when called on the obvious flaws in that argument couldn't handle it.

weisses

VinLieger wrote: »

That attitude reads to me as someone who is just looking to rant about something they don't like/understand and when called on the obvious flaws in that argument couldn't handle it.

And ?

Didn't we agree on that issue in regards to use of Mobile phones ?

Meanwhile

Bus driver fired while playing pokemon go while driving his bus in The Netherlands

VinLieger

weisses wrote: »

Bus driver fired while playing pokemon go while driving his bus in The Netherlands

Yeah he's an idiot, 2 people also fell off a cliff while playing they are also idiots, there's gotta be some aspect of personal responsibility, its too easy to blame the tech when people do something stupid with it.

Do you blame a car when someone drives too fast/drunk and causes a crash?

Keplar240B

Deleted User wrote: »

I accidentally swallowed an ice cube whole yesterday and still have not passed it, should I be concerned?

Negative
Ice melts at zero degrees Celsius
Your body's core temperture is, between 36,5 to 37,5˚C

For Forks Sake

Keplar240B wrote: »

Negative
Ice melts at zero degrees Celsius
Your body's core temperture is, between 36,5 to 37,5˚C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

Yellow pack crisps

Wonders how you can enjoy the concert through your own ears and eyes while sussing everyone else out? Or am I missing something?

weisses

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah he's an idiot, 2 people also fell off a cliff while playing they are also idiots, there's gotta be some aspect of personal responsibility, its too easy to blame the tech when people do something stupid with it.

Do you blame a car when someone drives too fast/drunk and causes a crash?

I would have a rant about that pokeman crap if I would have been a passenger on that bus

I would have a go at the booze culture when someone causes a crash while being drunk

It is not the tech per se but when something new is launched there is no escaping it

LorMal

I think the OP has a point - I don't understand the hostility here.
It is very annoying to see all the phones waving around when you are trying to enjoy a concert. I understand people want to record it for later viewing - but it is very inconsiderate to others and somewhat negates the whole concept of a live experience.

LorMal

Keplar240B wrote: »

Negative
Ice melts at zero degrees Celsius
Your body's core temperture is, between 36,5 to 37,5˚C

Think you might have missed the point there

astrofool

Permabear wrote: »

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The OP is just jumping onto the bandwagon of people "rebelling" against some sort of societal change in an effort to prove some intellectual superiority over others. The fact that they posted this on a social media site to gather opinions and like minded people is no doubt lost on them.

Grandeeod

astrofool wrote: »

The OP is just jumping onto the bandwagon of people "rebelling" against some sort of societal change in an effort to prove some intellectual superiority over others. The fact that they posted this on a social media site to gather opinions and like minded people is no doubt lost on them.

I think the OP has a point and I have my own issues with tech and aspects of social media, particularly in how its used.

I would disagree with your assertion that the OP is using boards as a social media vehicle. Boards is around a long time and you should know considering your join date. For many boards was the first introduction to online discussion. Its annonymous and came long before FB, twitter, instagram, etc. etc. etc. Its a completely different vehicle altogether. Its actually a place where the OP is right to express an opinion and garner opinion. In fairness one is entitled to use the internet to express opinions about aspects of it even if they are negative opinions. There is no irony here.

Mr. teddywinkles

LorMal wrote: »

I think the OP has a point - I don't understand the hostility here.
It is very annoying to see all the phones waving around when you are trying to enjoy a concert. I understand people want to record it for later viewing - but it is very inconsiderate to others and somewhat negates the whole concept of a live experience.

Seems to be the pattern on boards. Go with the flow and keep your trap shut.

weisses

astrofool wrote: »

The OP is just jumping onto the bandwagon of people "rebelling" against some sort of societal change in an effort to prove some intellectual superiority over others. The fact that they posted this on a social media site to gather opinions and like minded people is no doubt lost on them.

Maybe you should have the discussion about this here during a first date ..... You will soon see it has nothing to do With intellectual superiority.

VinLieger

weisses wrote: »

I would have a rant about that pokeman crap if I would have been a passenger on that bus

I would have a go at the booze culture when someone causes a crash while being drunk

It is not the tech per se but when something new is launched there is no escaping it

So your saying people arent responsible for their choices or actions? Someone drinks and drives its the booze culture thats at fault? Someone drives a bus while texting/playing whatever the new craze is its the phone and whoever made it that is the problem?

If anything we are falling away from reality when we start absolving grown adults of personal responsibility for their actions