Them stories . . .

99nsr125

Not a whole lot surprised at this one
I know it used to go on in bad years
But I thought testing was much better now.

Anyway . . . Watering down of milk is supposed
to be taking hold again around where I live.

I know for sure it was true the last time but that's
some time ago now god help us but we don't need
anymore food scares

_Brian

As long as it's water I wouldn't worry, amount of lads I used to see tipping the hypochlorite into the milk was mad.

pedigree 6

_Brian wrote: »

As long as it's water I wouldn't worry, amount of lads I used to see tipping the hypochlorite into the milk was mad.

Really? B.S..
Farming might as well shut up shop if these are the stories going around.
My milk is tested for
Cell count.
Tbc total bacteria count.
Chlorine.
Milk urea.
Water.
Fat.
Protein.
Lactose.
Iodine.
Thermoduric bacteria.
Brusellosis.
Ibr.

Probably left out more.
Disconnect with dairy farming is getting worse in this country.

patsy_mccabe

My father used to collect milk from farm to farm. He would take a sample before opening the taps. There was one or two cute whores that would turn on the water tap hose into the tank, after the sample was taken, if he turned his back.

PMU

99nsr125 wrote: »

Not a whole lot surprised at this one
I know it used to go on in bad years
But I thought testing was much better now.

Anyway . . . Watering down of milk is supposed
to be taking hold again around where I live.

I know for sure it was true the last time but that's
some time ago now god help us but we don't need
anymore food scares

bull**** of the highest order! why are you repeating crap you heard some idiot
thirdhand.

pedigree 6

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

My father used to collect milk from farm to farm. He would take a sample before opening the taps. There was one or two cute whores that would turn on the water tap hose into the tank, after the sample was taken, if he turned his back.

Milk sample taken on whole of milk tank now. No dipping anymore.
Never been fairer.

tractorporn

pedigree 6 wrote:

Disconnect with dairy farming is getting worse in this country.

Just dairy farming? Disconnect from agriculture as a whole is getting wider and wider every year.

Buford T. Justice XIX

99nsr125 wrote: »

Not a whole lot surprised at this one
I know it used to go on in bad years
But I thought testing was much better now.

Anyway . . . Watering down of milk is supposed
to be taking hold again around where I live.

I know for sure it was true the last time but that's
some time ago now god help us but we don't need
anymore food scares

I sincerely doubt it, tbh.

The vast majority of milk is paid for on kgs of solids with a deduction for water volume.

If farmers are doing that, all they are doing is costing themselves money both in deductions from their milk cheque and water bills from the council:)

_Brian

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Really? B.S..
Farming might as well shut up shop if these are the stories going around.
My milk is tested for
Cell count.
Tbc total bacteria count.
Chlorine.
Milk urea.
Water.
Fat.
Protein.
Lactose.
Iodine.
Thermoduric bacteria.
Brusellosis.
Ibr.

Probably left out more.
Disconnect with dairy farming is getting worse in this country.

This happened a lot when I was visiting farms working with Alfa, I'd often see lads standing talking to the milkman while milk was being lifted with hose washing down inside of the tank. I'm sure it's very different now.

blue5000

Another way to do it is 'persuade' the lorry driver to sample someone else's milk instead.

whelan2

blue5000 wrote: »

Another way to do it is 'persuade' the lorry driver to sample someone else's milk instead.

Everything is on gps etc, things like that dont work anymore.

freedominacup

whelan2 wrote: »

Everything is on gps etc, things like that dont work anymore.

If the truck driver stops for a chat he's liable to be asked questions in relation to why he wasted so much time trying to chat up whelan2 for example.

99nsr125

PMU wrote: »

bull**** of the highest order! why are you repeating crap you heard some idiot
thirdhand.

From a conversation with another dairy farmer
Not saying anymore than that

Username John

tractorporn wrote: »

Just dairy farming? Disconnect from agriculture as a whole is getting wider and wider every year.

As farmers specialize, are they also getting disconnected?

My father and grandfather had cows, sheep, grew barley and beet... And whilst I wouldnt be a great example of farming now But I know a bit about sheep, nothing about cows. I have no real idea whats involved in growing beet or barley - yet I purchase them, to feed the sheep...

So even though I do a little bit of sheep farming, I am a consumer for other sectors. But the truth is, I dont concern myself how to grow beet, I only concern myself with beet being available...
Are other farmers any different?

So I agree with you there is a disconnect between consumers and agriculture, but is that disconnect also present and growing within the farming community?

pedigree 6

99nsr125 wrote: »

From a conversation with another dairy farmer
Not saying anymore than that

Well there's dairy farmers here and from experience with milk testing on every collection and sealed samplers on the lorries and gps, so they know where the sample came from, it can't happen.
Plus they do a bulk sample on the lorry as well at the c reamery.
So there can never be any fiddling going on.

Sounds like pub talk b.s.
The farmer, lorry driver and creamery would have to be in on it for it to work and the c reamery are not going to pay for water.
Go to the dept of ag and tell them otherwise you are just here rising sh*t.

_Brian

20 years ago things were much looser but from what dairy folk on here say there is little room for messing to go on.

RoscommonTom

id say some fella is telling you tall tales, there's no way youd get away with that these days, the creamery wouldnt be long finding it out or every fella would be at it

Reggie.

freedominacup wrote: »

If the truck driver stops for a chat he's liable to be asked questions in relation to why he wasted so much time trying to chat up whelan2 for example.

Or Mrs freedom :eek:

whelan2

freedominacup wrote: »

If the truck driver stops for a chat he's liable to be asked questions in relation to why he wasted so much time trying to chat up whelan2 for example.

was going to say the milkman comes here in the middle of the night but I am sure that would be taken up wrong:)

CloughCasey1

whelan2 wrote: »

was going to say the milkman comes here in the middle of the night but I am sure that would be taken up wrong:)

As long as its not Pat Mustard driving the creamery lorry we believe ya!

J.O. Farmer

whelan2 wrote: »

was going to say the milkman comes here in the middle of the night but I am sure that would be taken up wrong:)

You mean he's not there collecting milk.

freedominacup

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

You mean he's not there collecting milk.

That story would have as much to it as the op.

J.O. Farmer

freedominacup wrote: »

That story would have as much to it as the op.

Ah sure never letthe truth get in the way of a good story.

Dawggone

_Brian wrote: »

As long as it's water I wouldn't worry, amount of lads I used to see tipping the hypochlorite into the milk was mad.

Yep. Farmers were at the old hypochlorite in a big way to keep a handle on tbc...if they put it through the milking machine it would have been better!

Of course that certainly doesn't happen now.

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Yep. Farmers were at the old hypochlorite in a big way to keep a handle on tbc...if they put it through the milking machine it would have been better!

Of course that certainly doesn't happen now.

Oh ffs it gets worse.
Have you anything good to say about Irish dairy farming?
Think about it for a while.

Dawggone

I speak the truth.

I'm not saying that it happens now, but it was a common practice decades ago. Fact.

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

I speak the truth.

I'm not saying that it happens now, but it was a common practice decades ago. Fact.

I know I'm only a chap compared to yourself but it's news to me.
Think about it. How would the milk turn to butter and cheese if it there was any trace.

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

I know I'm only a chap compared to yourself but it's news to me.
Think about it. How would the milk turn to butter and cheese if it there was any trace.

Ped,accept it. It was common practice. I'm not saying it was a 10% solution like your local swimming pool, but it was widely used. Now move on.

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Ped,accept it. It was common practice. I'm not saying it was a 10% solution like your local swimming pool, but it was widely used. Now move on.

Sorry but I call b.s..
We've always drank our own milk and neighbours do as well. Nobody would do it. Accept that. Move on.

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Sorry but I call b.s..
We've always drank our own milk and neighbours do as well. Nobody would do it. Accept that. Move on.

Used to do it myself.....

The common consensus was it was better to add a little after every milking than all in one go. Want to know more??

welton john

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

As long as its not Pat Mustard driving the creamery lorry we believe ya!

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMnuGqqI_OAhWCKcAKHWcvBs8QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fgallery%2FGs6gR&psig=AFQjCNFQ6YN8iCCcUhTlidqLuRhnoxDGpA&ust=1469559924247211

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Used to do it myself.....

The common consensus was it was better to add a little after every milking than all in one go. Want to know more??

And did you drink it?

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

And did you drink it?

Course not.
It would only be added when there was a spike in tbc and didn't have the time to do a deep clean.
I knew plenty that used it full time...one guy even got a milk quality award.
More questions?

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Course not.
It would only be added when there was a spike in tbc and didn't have the time to do a deep clean.
I knew plenty that used it full time...one guy even got a milk quality award.
More questions?

How did you not have time to do a clean?
Descale once a week and then hot wash when changing detergent.
Are we talking Herringbone parlours here, even tie up stalls we had pipeline and you let it wash itself for 8 minutes when you can do something else.

_Brian

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Sorry but I call b.s..
We've always drank our own milk and neighbours do as well. Nobody would do it. Accept that. Move on.

Hold on a minute, I worked on maybe 200 dairy farms for 5 years. Doing machine installations and servicing. Would be in the parlour working when lads were around and I can tell you there were farmers at it, not all but a certain type, we all know the type.
Know some lads had "arrangements" that their samples were taken from other lads tanks to get good results.

whelan2

_Brian wrote: »

Hold on a minute, I worked on maybe 200 dairy farms for 5 years. Doing machine installations and servicing. Would be in the parlour working when lads were around and I can tell you there were farmers at it, not all but a certain type, we all know the type.
Know some lads had "arrangements" that their samples were taken from other lads tanks to get good results.

yes there are plenty of stories from years ago,thats when they are from YEARS AGO. This type of thing does not go on now. I milked for a lad-we called the farm Beruit- straw going around on agitator in tank, milking machine turned off in the evening straight after last cow went out. Parlour washed down with buckets of water. Reckoned he knew when tests would be done so as it avoid penalties... It doesnt happen now

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

How did you not have time to do a clean?
Descale once a week and then hot wash when changing detergent.
Are we talking Herringbone parlours here, even tie up stalls we had pipeline and you let it wash itself for 8 minutes when you can do something else.

I actually do know how to keep on top of tbc...but different times then.

There were times of the year that got a bit busy.
Along with 100+cows there was a few hundred acres of tillage and a beef enterprise...and the 'big' tractor was less than 100hp. Did your own silage also.

Another poster pointed out the disconnect between different farming enterprises and he's right. Decades ago everyone had a little of everything and knew the hardship and profitability of each. The EEC changed all that. Different enterprises are like different tribes now.

freedominacup

Dawggone wrote: »

I knew plenty that used it full time...one guy even got a milk quality award.
More questions?

I remember that one. A lot of running for cover when it was picked up. I don't know about common practice though dawg. Never done here.

_Brian

pedigree 6 wrote: »

And did you drink it?

Reminds me..
Was doing a service one day and we often used the flat top on the smaller tanks for laying out parts.. Could see something in the tank when the agitator came on, took a peek in and there was the poor old moggy going round in the tank of milk....

While later kid arrives down and dips in jug and runs off back to house with it..

We were invited in for tea.... but funny enough had an urgent break-down call to get onto

Another service man was again working on the lid of a tank one day, whatever bolloxing he was at he tipped lid and parts of 6 pulsators ended up in the bottom of a small tank of milk.. feckin war there was :rolleyes:

Dawggone

freedominacup wrote: »

I remember that one. A lot of running for cover when it was picked up. I don't know about common practice though dawg. Never done here.

'Twas common practice Free. As I posted we only used it very very infrequently when no time for a deep clean. We had a guy that worked for planting and harvest that used to do milkings inbetween, it was from him that we heard about it first...

We also used hormones on beef...
I remember my Dad spraying DDT...
Etc. Etc.

mf240

Water is dearer than milk in the shops.

The low fat milk is basically milky water.

_Brian

Dawggone wrote: »

'Twas common practice Free. As I posted we only used it very very infrequently when no time for a deep clean. We had a guy that worked for planting and harvest that used to do milkings inbetween, it was from him that we heard about it first...

We also used hormones on beef...
I remember my Dad spraying DDT...
Etc. Etc.

This is wired but God I loved the smell of ddt. I remember being in old calf houses when they were being done and thinking how nice it was.
The air would be white with the dust from it, lived to get rubbing it into small calves, no gloves or masks back on the 70's

Sam Kade

mf240 wrote: »

Water is dearer than milk in the shops.

The low fat milk is basically milky water.

The co op's can get top price for watery milk.

patsy_mccabe

One of my jobs as a young fella was to go to the local farmers the night before the milk tester was due to be around. I was no more than 7 or 8 and I'd cycle around to the Old farmers and tell them there'd be testing in the morning. They'd make sure all the milk was properly cooled then in the churns. The coolers were dipped into the milk and a water hose connected to the top, the water would flow through the turning tube but also flow down over the sides of the churns.
Here's one;
https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/b0b95b3e-20a9-4ab4-8f03-a4b900eddc3a/36f5de8c-bfe7-402a-ce50-1a36f3fd22a0/540x360.jpg

_Brian

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

One of my jobs as a young fella was to go to the local farmers the night before the milk tester was due to be around. I was no more than 7 or 8 and I'd cycle around to the Old farmers and tell them there'd be testing in the morning. They'd make sure all the milk was properly cooled then in the churns. The coolers were dipped into the milk and a water hose connected to the top, the water would flow through the turning tube but also flow down over the sides of the churns.
Here's one;
https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/b0b95b3e-20a9-4ab4-8f03-a4b900eddc3a/36f5de8c-bfe7-402a-ce50-1a36f3fd22a0/540x360.jpg

Remember using that too.

kowtow

The finest one I ever heard is from England in the 1970's - as retold by James Robertson ("any fool can be a dairy farmer").

The neatest trick was another who bought milk powder, highly subsidised by the EEC, and placed it at the bottom of his tank and just added water. He managed to keep selling milk for six months after he had sold all his cows

6270red

Neighbour used to water milk before taking it to the creamery. But he would only use rain water said it was harder to trace, was at it into the late 80's.

welton john

neighbour here would have a half tank of milk , fill the rest with water , a few drops of piss from a maiden heifer, a leaf of grass from a fairy fort and fart over the top of the tank . he was at it for years they reckon

rangler1

kowtow wrote: »

The finest one I ever heard is from England in the 1970's - as retold by James Robertson ("any fool can be a dairy farmer").

A bit like what's available at the moment, a farmer can put 500 litres a day into his neighbours tank and the EU will give him 14c/litre for not producing it and he can share the bonus in the neighbours tank

couldn't happen of course........:D:D

Nekarsulm

Wouldn't happen in Ireland, of course, but an EU official told me about a scheme the EU came up with to cut milk production in Italy. Seems the Italians ignored the introduction of quotes for a number of years, so a scheme was devised whereby farmers recieved a bonus payment for each dairy cow culled. Proof of culling required the cut off ear with the tag in it to be checked by an official.
Tens of thousands of ears were presented, checked and bonus paid.
Strangely enough, milk production remained steady. ...........

laoch na mona

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Wouldn't happen in Ireland, of course, but an EU official told me about a scheme the EU came up with to cut milk production in Italy. Seems the Italians ignored the introduction of quotes for a number of years, so a scheme was devised whereby farmers recieved a bonus payment for each dairy cow culled. Proof of culling required the cut off ear with the tag in it to be checked by an official.
Tens of thousands of ears were presented, checked and bonus paid.
Strangely enough, milk production remained steady. ...........

don't need ears to make milk