Why do people resent people who build their wealth up from nothing

steddyeddy

The so called nouveau riche? Is coming from humble beginnings and generating wealth through education or business not a good thing?

Since I moved to England I've heard it a lot. Mostly from young university grads of inherited wealth and education. Why is this sort of snobbery present and why does it ignore the virtues of working to improve oneself?

o1s1n

I think this is more to do with how people in this particular bracket apparently spend their newly acquired fortune - the 'old money' probably see it as a bit crass.

steddyeddy

o1s1n wrote: »

I think this is more to do with how people in this particular bracket apparently spend their newly acquired fortune - the 'old money' probably see it as a bit crass.

I've not heard that. I've just heard generalised twaddle.

xabi

Jealousy

nobby grande

Because people moan about everything. F*ck the begrudgers.

Serious answer, its easier to be negative than positive.

ohnonotgmail

steddyeddy wrote: »

The so called nouveau riche? Is coming from humble beginnings and generating wealth through education or business not a good thing?

Since I moved to England I've heard it a lot. Mostly from young university grads of inherited wealth and education. Why is this sort of snobbery present and why does it ignore the virtues of working to improve oneself?

because they havent learned how to behave properly in polite company. they are gaudy and ostentatious. they feel they need to constantly remind people how much money they have probably due to insecurity.

Winterlong

Haters be h8ers.

crusha101

Vice Versa if anything.

I don't think it's resentment, I think that new experiences with money can lead to some entertaining experiences. From the Beverley Hillbillies to Dolores McNamara, people find it interesting to see how money changes people.

I remember hearing a story once about an 'old money' vs 'new money' marriage. The bride's family, an old landed family arrived at the Church dressed down, the women wore summer skirts and flat shoes, the men wore open-necked shirts. The 'newly rich' side on the other side of the church were decked out in top hats and tails. They didn't know how to behave. They thought having money entailed ostentatious displays of wealth, when actually, it's the opposite. Tact is everything.

It's these little idiosyncrasies that some people find interesting or amusing, I guess.

Elliott S

The term 'nouveau riche' only applies to newly-rich people who tackily display their wealth, not all newly-rich folk.

_Brian

People just resent others, be that for wealth, looks, full head of hair or what ever.
Some people build their self worth based on comparisons with others and when they fall short on this the resent the other person.

steddyeddy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because they havent learned how to behave properly in polite company. they are gaudy and ostentatious. they feel they need to constantly remind people how much money they have probably due to insecurity.

You think Oxford guys don't brag about having boats or going to Eton?

Speedwell

It might have something to do with the perception of what kinds of ethical compromises someone has to make and what lucky breaks they have to get to be spectacularly successful in business. (Why does Hufflepuff hate Slytherin, heh.)

Claw Hammer

In Britain a person is either a gentleman or a yob. Noveau Riche people are seen as yobs with money. The aristocracy in Britain is comprised of the descendants of the 300 families who came with William the Conqueror in 1066.
They have long learned how to hide in plain sight. They have maintained enormous privilege over generations and have avoided stirring much resentment in the process. They operate a code of etiquette which is designed to maintain the status quo. They dislike gob****es, who, because they have come into some money think they are a cut above others.

SEPT 23 1989

Shut your mouth and look at my wad

ancapailldorcha

Good old-fashioned begrudgery. It ain't confined solely to humans either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

The so called nouveau riche? Is coming from humble beginnings and generating wealth through education or business not a good thing?

Since I moved to England I've heard it a lot. Mostly from young university grads of inherited wealth and education. Why is this sort of snobbery present and why does it ignore the virtues of working to improve oneself?

I sometimes think you live in an alternate universe Eddy. You've encountered so much of this stuff in your few months in the UK than I or anyone else I know have in a lifetime.

And you're based in Manchester, hardly a bastion of the U. You really seem to lead a life pockmarked by snobbery, castism and classism.

I've also never heard anyone, anywhere, at any time, disparage anyone for being a self-made success.

Sometimes I've heard newly acquired airs and graces being mentioned, but that kind of thing will happen anywhere.

Elliott S

steddyeddy wrote: »

You think Oxford guys don't brag about having boats or going to Eton?

Careful, that sounds a little judgy, Steddyeddy.

ancapailldorcha

steddyeddy wrote: »

You think Oxford guys don't brag about having boats or going to Eton?

None that I met while living there for over a year.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

None that I met while living there for over a year.

I lived there four years, never once did I ever hear the kind of thing Eddy puts up with so very frequently.

Not once.

Patrick_Swayze

Old mate of mine earned a large sum of money through building up his company from scratch
Bought a nice car but stayed in the same area (notoriously rough spot in Dublin)
He was ran out of the place by the locals

Not so much traditional rich hating the noveau rich but a lot of begrudgery

Claw Hammer

steddyeddy wrote: »

You think Oxford guys don't brag about having boats or going to Eton?

Only the noveau riche ones do.

Elliott S

Candie wrote: »

You really seem to lead a life pockmarked by snobbery, castism and classism.

Looking at his posting history, wowza, yes. Very regular themes there. Can't be healthy.

seamus

steddyeddy wrote: »

The so called nouveau riche? Is coming from humble beginnings and generating wealth through education or business not a good thing?

From the "old money" crowd, it's just typical classism - the belief that those in lower classes are biologically programmed to think and act in a certain way, which is incompatible with what they consider to be the "correct" way to act.

From those without money, it's partially just human envy, but there is also a certain amount of sneering about how the newly rich persons mannerisms might change to be more snobby or discriminatory - "it's far from caviar he was reared", etc.

In general it doesn't happen all that much unless someone is crass or spends their cash very unwisely.

Richard Branson is one of these self-made men and I see nothing but praise and commendation for him; because he's spent his money wisely and never come across as arrogant or crass about his wealth.

osarusan

I don't resent them.

Plenty of begrudgers out there though. Also, plenty of people dismissing anything negative as begrudgery.

andekwarhola

You need to put down the Brideshead Revisited potboilers and go outside for while.

andekwarhola

andekwarhola wrote: »

You need to put down the Brideshead Revisited potboilers and go outside for while.

Funny AND bitchy!

I like your style.

ancapailldorcha

Candie wrote: »

I lived there four years, never once did I ever hear the kind of thing Eddy puts up with so very frequently.

Not once.

I'd no idea you lived in Oxford!

I liked it. A bit small but very rich in culture and heritage. Some lovely buildings and close to some lovely rural settings.

Your Face

No.
I'd like to have a couple of million.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd no idea you lived in Oxford!

I liked it. A bit small but very rich in culture and heritage. Some lovely buildings and close to some lovely rural settings.

Not any longer, but I loved it too (even though I lived above a chip shop!). It's a beautiful place and I was very lucky.

Story Bud?

Honestly Eddy, despite your posts/threads always attempting to come across as cocky/confident they really just come across as serious lack of confidence and tbh a bit of a chip on your shoulder from coming from a low socio economic background.

I too, have come from such a background, and I too am now considered "middle class" and I've never ever experienced the snobbery that you appear to think is so prevalent.

The very odd person you might come across that looks down on you, ignore them, who actually gives a toss about what some prick thinks? Concentrate on bettering yourself and don't concern yourself with what others think of you.

Elliott S

seamus wrote: »

Richard Branson is one of these self-made men and I see nothing but praise and commendation for him; because he's spent his money wisely and never come across as arrogant or crass about his wealth.

His father was a barrister, his grandfather was a judge. So there would have been a safety net of family wealth there.

ancapailldorcha

Eddy, you mentioned in another post how you had a relative who was an engineer who inspired you to pursue a career in STEM. Would you not consider this an unfair advantage or privilege? I grew up on a farm in rural Donegal and had no such source of inspiration or insight. If it weren't for the strong encouragement I got at school to go to University (I think my career guidance counsellor had shares at Liverpool Hope), I don't think I would have went at all.

Elliott S

Story Bud? wrote: »

Honestly Eddy, despite your posts/threads always attempting to come across as cocky/confident they really just come across as serious lack of confidence and tbh a bit of a chip on your shoulder from coming from a low socio economic background.

+1

ted1

steddyeddy wrote: »

The so called nouveau riche? Is coming from humble beginnings and generating wealth through education or business not a good thing?

Since I moved to England I've heard it a lot. Mostly from young university grads of inherited wealth and education. Why is this sort of snobbery present and why does it ignore the virtues of working to improve oneself?

It's generally because the noveau rich lack Dacorum

tomwaterford

I think it's the opposite. ...I know noone who could begrudge anyone for being self made


By and large anyone self made works hard as fcuk and have earned it

ancapailldorcha

Candie wrote: »

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd no idea you lived in Oxford!

I liked it. A bit small but very rich in culture and heritage. Some lovely buildings and close to some lovely rural settings.

Not any longer, but I loved it too (even though I lived above a chip shop!). It's a beautiful place and I was very lucky.

I liked it as well. Got burgled just before I left which soured my experience somewhat.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

The so called nouveau riche? Is coming from humble beginnings and generating wealth through education or business not a good thing?

Since I moved to England I've heard it a lot. Mostly from young university grads of inherited wealth and education. Why is this sort of snobbery present and why does it ignore the virtues of working to improve oneself?

If you are hearing it from young grads it is probably insecurity on their part.

I encountered it a little bit.
Most people are normal.

steddyeddy

So before I reply to individual posts I need to clarify that one or two posters have never heard anything snobby, some never heard of nouveau riche and some seem to think that no one experiences snobbery?

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

So before I reply to individual posts I need to clarify that one or two posters have never heard anything snobby, some never heard of nouveau riche and some seem to think that no one experiences snobbery?

I'll take "things that nobody said" Alex!

steddyeddy

Story Bud? wrote: »

Honestly Eddy, despite your posts/threads always attempting to come across as cocky/confident they really just come across as serious lack of confidence and tbh a bit of a chip on your shoulder from coming from a low socio economic background.

I too, have come from such a background, and I too am now considered "middle class" and I've never ever experienced the snobbery that you appear to think is so prevalent.

The very odd person you might come across that looks down on you, ignore them, who actually gives a toss about what some prick thinks? Concentrate on bettering yourself and don't concern yourself with what others think of you.

I've actually never experienced it directed at me in science but I worked both in Dublin and the UK with disadvantaged children from quite severe backgrounds. I don't think it's fair to label anyone who experiences snobbery as being low in confidence.

steddyeddy

ted1 wrote: »

It's generally because the noveau rich lack Dacorum

An example of the imaginary snobbery that everyone has been imagining.com.

ancapailldorcha

steddyeddy wrote: »

So before I reply to individual posts I need to clarify that one or two posters have never heard anything snobby, some never heard of nouveau riche and some seem to think that no one experiences snobbery?

Where has anybody said this?

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I've actually never experienced it directed at me in science but I worked both in Dublin and the UK with disadvantaged children from quite severe backgrounds. I don't think it's fair to label anyone who experiences snobbery as being low in confidence.

That's very clearly not what she said.

steddyeddy

Candie wrote: »

I'll take "things that nobody said" Alex!

I think it's time to lay off the high horse Candie.

It's generally because the noveau rich lack Dacorum

steddyeddy

Candie wrote: »

That's very clearly not what she said.

No but it's fair to correct the lady when wrong. I never once was on the receiving end of snobbery. I'm pointing out where I get my information.

I think it's time to lay off the high horse Candie.

It's generally because the noveau rich lack Dacorum

Oh get off the cross Eddy!

And I only wish I was Riche! Noveau or non-nouveau, I'm not fussy.

Elliott S

steddyeddy wrote: »

So before I reply to individual posts I need to clarify that one or two posters have never heard anything snobby, some never heard of nouveau riche and some seem to think that no one experiences snobbery?

Daft question.

steddyeddy

So basically we have a situation where here on this thread people are saying that the recent rich lack decorum and spend their money in more crass way and on the other hand we have people saying that nobody says that.

ted1

steddyeddy wrote: »

An example of the imaginary snobbery that everyone has been imagining.com.

No, it's simply reality. Gold plated teeth, gold leaf wrapped bentlys etc are tacky.

Elliott S

steddyeddy wrote: »

I never once was on the receiving end of snobbery.

You have started threads in the past stating you were.