Animal creulty

Smondie

Where are all the animal creulty protestors? They harassed the circus out of town but i flicked on the TV this evening and the dublin horse show had 4 horses sitting inunnatural positions and were humiliating them by making them perform.




So animal protesters? What's the Craic? Where were ye today?

Winterlong

Smondie wrote: »

So animal protesters? What's the Craic? Where were ye today?

Probably protesting at the humans, not the animals.

El Chapo

I was at wrok.

kneemos

Like Crufts for horses.

biko

Someone else should do something!
*clenches fist in pocket*

Odelay

Smondie wrote: »

Where are all the animal creulty protestors? They harassed the circus out of town but i flicked on the TV this evening and the dublin horse show had 4 horses sitting inunnatural positions and were humiliating them by making them perform.




So animal protesters? What's the Craic? Where were ye today?

I would very much doubt there were horses "sitting" in unnatural positions that caused distress or discomfort at the Dublin horse show.

Have you a photo?

Smondie

Odelay wrote: »

I would very much doubt there were horses "sitting" in unnatural positions that caused distress or discomfort at the Dublin horse show.

Have you a photo?

I'll see if I can find a picture, it was on rte news

kneemos

Odelay wrote: »

I would very much doubt there were horses "sitting" in unnatural positions that caused distress or discomfort at the Dublin horse show.

Have you a photo?

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Smondie

kneemos wrote: »

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Yes, but they had no chair


More like this

horseownertoday.com/blog/training-secrets/image.axd?picture=2012%2F3%2FAvroSit250.jpg

Smondie

Whipped to do humiliating tricks, carried around in Barron beast wagons and ridden for pleasure, it's the same treatment the elephants had



But then again, most of the anti elephant crowd are horse owners, they were probably in the stands cheering it on, the big hypocrites

s4uv3

Those horses are sound. Minded like babies and not a bother on them.

If you were so outraged, why aren't you out protesting instead of sitting there mashing your keyboard?

Smondie

s4uv3 wrote: »

Those horses are sound. Minded like babies and not a bother on them.

If you were so outraged, why aren't you out protesting instead of sitting there mashing your keyboard?

What? Should I go down and beat up a woman and baby and try to start a fire in the stables?

s4uv3

Smondie wrote: »

What? Should I go down and beat up a woman and baby and try to start a fire in the stables?

I think you should stand up. Do a twirl. And come around to yourself.

Thats what I think you should do.

Smondie

s4uv3 wrote: »

I think you should stand up. Do a twirl. And come around to yourself.

Thats what I think you should do.

So what you are saying is that animal protesters only jumped on the band wagon because it was cool at the time.

Kovu

There's a difference between keeping animals that are 'wild' locked up and trained compared to years upon years upon years of domesticated breeding.
If we're to go along that train of thought there'd be no dogs doing tricks either.

There's animal cruelty and there's being ridiculous.

Smondie

Kovu wrote: »

There's a difference between keeping animals that are 'wild' locked up and trained compared to years upon years upon years of domesticated breeding.
If we're to go along that train of thought there'd be no dogs doing tricks either.

There's animal cruelty and there's being ridiculous.

Are they being humiliated being forced to do tricks?
Are they whipped to be trained?
Are the being transported around in Barron beast wagons?


The answer to all of the above is yes.The same complaints were made about the elephants, who were bred in captivity.

kneemos

Kovu wrote: »

There's a difference between keeping animals that are 'wild' locked up and trained compared to years upon years upon years of domesticated breeding.
If we're to go along that train of thought there'd be no dogs doing tricks either.

There's animal cruelty and there's being ridiculous.

Any animal doing tricks (dogs included) in fairness is just humiliating for the animal

Kovu

Smondie wrote: »

Are they being humiliated being forced to do tricks?
Are they whipped to be trained?
Are the being transported around in Barron beast wagons?


The answer to all of the above is yes.The same complaints were made about the elephants, who were bred in captivity.

Have elephant been used as beasts of burden for thousands of years, selectively bred for different traits?
Have those proof these animals felt humiliated (because horses do have characters just like dogs and can/do enjoy that type of work) ?
Do these horses have special needs, compared to all other horses that are moved around in horseboxes?

The answer to all of the above is no! Most times that whip doesn't even touch the horse, it's the act of moving it that the horse responds to.

cml387

I'd like to see an elephant have a go at the puissance.

Just sayin.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Any animal doing tricks (dogs included) in fairness is just humiliating for the animal

Tell that to them Circus rioters did they not have dogs all over FB and with them ?

Jesus.

Smondie wrote: »

Whipped to do humiliating tricks, carried around in Barron beast wagons and ridden for pleasure, it's the same treatment the elephants had But then again, most of the anti elephant crowd are horse owners, they were probably in the stands cheering it on, the big hypocrites

Don't be such a drama Queen

kneemos

Kovu wrote: »

Have elephant been used as beasts of burden for thousands of years, selectively bred for different traits?
Have those proof these animals felt humiliated (because horses do have characters just like dogs and can/do enjoy that type of work) ?
Do these horses have special needs, compared to all other horses that are moved around in horseboxes?

The answer to all of the above is no! Most times that whip doesn't even touch the horse, it's the act of moving it that the horse responds to.

Responds to the movement of the whip because it knows that it hurts obviously.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Responds to the movement of the whip because it knows that it hurts obviously.

Animals fight in the wild for mating rights it hurts but they do it by choice.

Kovu

kneemos wrote: »

Responds to the movement of the whip because it knows that it hurts obviously.

Sure, it may have been hit a couple of times but the small smack of a whip would barely be anything on a horses rump. The spurs used on the riders boots would cause more pain, as would some of those contraptions of bits used on the fresher horses jumping.

Smondie

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Tell that to them Circus rioters did they not have dogs all over FB and with them ?

Most of them had pictures of thier own dogs dressed up at in the strangest outfits for thier amusement on fb and imgur etc. They had no issue humilating thier own anmals. Yes they brought thier dogs to protests.

Odelay

Smondie wrote: »

Yes, but they had no chair


More like this

horseownertoday.com/blog/training-secrets/image.axd?picture=2012%2F3%2FAvroSit250.jpg

Are you joking? That is a horse getting up after a roll. Look at the hoof marks in the ground where he used his legs to roll over. Horses roll when they are happy, just look at one turned out into a field.
That horse is relaxed with the person, otherwise he would have got up as he is venerable in that position. It's nature.
You couldn't "whip" a horse to stay in that position, have you ever tried to get a horse to do something it doesn't want to do?

Jesus.

Odelay wrote: »

have you ever tried to get a horse to do something it doesn't want to do?

It can be done

Smondie

Odelay wrote: »

Are you joking? That is a horse getting up after a roll. Look at the hoof marks in the ground where he used his legs to roll over. Horses roll when they are happy, just look at one turned out into a field.
That horse is relaxed with the person, otherwise he would have got up as he is venerable in that position. It's nature.
You couldn't "whip" a horse to stay in that position, have you ever tried to get a horse to do something it doesn't want to do?

That's not a picture of the horse show. The horses were in a similar position, not after doing a roll. They were performing a dance

Smondie

Smondie wrote: »

the dublin horse show had 4 horses sitting inunnatural positions and were humiliating them by making them perform.

Smondie wrote: »

Whipped to do humiliating tricks

Smondie wrote: »

Most of them had pictures of thier own dogs dressed up at in the strangest outfits for thier amusement on fb and imgur etc. They had no issue humilating thier own anmals. Yes they brought thier dogs to protests.

What are you on about 'humiliating' animals.

It reminds me of the time some mad old biddy texted the Derek Mooney show, complaining about him publicising a webcam which was broadcasting a bird's nest/ Her complaint was that the camera was an invasion of the privacy of the bird family. Fcuking loopy.

There is no reason to believe that horses are capable of feeling humiliation, nor embarrassment... nor a loss of privacy, for that matter.

Having said that, if horses could read, they might cringe at this thread.

A typical showjumper is half-a-tonne of flesh and muscle. You don't bully an animal of that size and strength to excel. You convince him to excel by mutual co-operation. Horses are amazing animals who will go to amazing lengths to co-operate with the weird requests we humans make of them. But they are only requests.

If a horse doesn't want to do something, you might harangue and bully him to eventually muddling through, for example, going over a river or into a horsebox. You certainly will not harangue and bully him into competing successfully at an international level.

Smondie

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What are you on about 'humiliating' animals.

It reminds me of the time some mad bint texted the Derek Mooney show, complaining about him publicising a webcam which was broadcasting a bird's nest/ Her complaint was that the camera was an invasion of the privacy of the bird family. Fcuking loopy.

There is no reason to believe that horses are capable of feeling humiliation, nor embarrassment... nor a loss of privacy, for that matter.

Having said that, if horses could read, they might cringe at this thread.

A typical showjumper is half-a-tonne of flesh and muscle. You don't bully an animal of that size and strength to excel. You convince him to excel by mutual co-operation. Horses are amazing animals who will go to amazing lengths to co-operate with the weird requests we humans make of them. But they are only requests.

If a horse doesn't want to do something, you might harangue and bully him to eventually muddling through, for example, going over a river or into a horsebox. You certainly will not harangue and bully him into competing successfully at an international level.

The animal rights circus crowd said humilating animals is wrong. It was one of the main points in thier campaign. An elephant is bigger and heavier than a horse

Smondie

Smondie wrote: »

The animal rights circus crowd said humilating animals is wrong.

So what? You're just spreading the wrongness around , it doesn't make your point any more correct.

Smondie

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

So what? You're just spreading the wrongness around , it doesn't make your point any more correct.

I'd like to hear from them as to why they weren't there today.

Odelay

[quote="Kovu; as would some of those contraptions of bits used on the fresher horses jumping.[/quote]

Exactly, if you want a high horse to get up on, try complaining about some of the bits used, especially those used in American films. Yokes of torture they are.

kneemos

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What are you on about 'humiliating' animals.

It reminds me of the time some mad old biddy texted the Derek Mooney show, complaining about him publicising a webcam which was broadcasting a bird's nest/ Her complaint was that the camera was an invasion of the privacy of the bird family. Fcuking loopy.

There is no reason to believe that horses are capable of feeling humiliation, nor embarrassment... nor a loss of privacy, for that matter.

Having said that, if horses could read, they might cringe at this thread.

A typical showjumper is half-a-tonne of flesh and muscle. You don't bully an animal of that size and strength to excel. You convince him to excel by mutual co-operation. Horses are amazing animals who will go to amazing lengths to co-operate with the weird requests we humans make of them. But they are only requests.

If a horse doesn't want to do something, you might harangue and bully him to eventually muddling through, for example, going over a river or into a horsebox. You certainly will not harangue and bully him into competing successfully at an international level.

They can get elephants to do tricks,I reackon a horse must be easy in comparison.

Odelay

Smondie wrote: »

I'd like to hear from them as to why they weren't there today.

Maybe because there is nothing wrong with it? Maybe because the horses are very looked after?

Smondie

Odelay wrote: »

Maybe because there is nothing wrong with it? Maybe because the horses are very looked after?

Humiliation, being forced to do trick, unnatural positions, barren beast wagons

This has got everything they're against. So against it they assaulted a woman and a baby and tried to set fire to the stables. So where are they?

Has it worn off them? Have they changed thier minds? Or is it bécause a lot of them have horses?

lazybones32

kneemos wrote: »

Any animal doing tricks (dogs included) in fairness is just humiliating for the animal

My dog licks his balls in public. He has no sense of shame or humiliation.

Odelay

What is a barren beast wagon? Is it a horse box or trailer? Is it horse box with a hay net for journeys over an hour and water when it arrives at destination?

You sound like quite an expert, please tell us how to care for horses.....

kneemos

lazybones32 wrote: »

My dog licks his balls in public. He has no sense of shame or humiliation.

Obviously the animal doesn't feel humiliated,but you're making a fool of it by making it do unnatural things to please its owner.

Smondie

Odelay wrote: »

What is a barren beast wagon? Is it a horse box or trailer? Is it horse box with a hay net for journeys over an hour and water when it arrives at destination?

You sound like quite an expert, please tell us how to care for horses.....

A barren beast wagon is used to transport animals- so sad

BBDBB

kneemos wrote: »

They can get elephants to do tricks,I reackon a horse must be easy in comparison.

I reckon I can train ants to do card tricks

Odelay

Smondie wrote: »

A barren beast wagon is used to transport animals- so sad

Sorta like using car to transport dogs???

Why is it so sad? Have you seen a horse that is used to a horsebox going in? Most knows it is a good thing. It means new things to look at, new smells meting new horses, jumping. Once they are used to it they load no problem. Mine just walks into it, point her at it and she walks in on her own.
Yes, there are some that are difficult to load, mostly because they aren't used to it or have been miss handled but the majority have no problem being transported.

Stigura

Smondie wrote: »

carried around in Barron beast wagons

Is that like an Ifor Williams

Stigura

lazybones32 wrote: »

My dog licks his balls in public. He has no sense of shame or humiliation.

My Dog licks my balls in public. I have no sense of shame or humiliation. Skin as thick as a rhino's, me.

Smondie

Odelay wrote: »

Sorta like using car to transport dogs???

Why is it so sad? Have you seen a horse that is used to a horsebox going in? Most knows it is a good thing. It means new things to look at, new smells meting new horses, jumping. Once they are used to it they load no problem. Mine just walks into it, point her at it and she walks in on her own.
Yes, there are some that are difficult to load, mostly because they aren't used to it or have been miss handled but the majority have no problem being transported.

It's so unnatural for them. The army had to shoot the cows who refused to travel in the barren beast wagon.

Your Face

Reading your post was a form of animal cruelty OP.

darkpagandeath

Smondie wrote: »

It's so unnatural for them. The army had to shoot the cows who refused to travel in the barren beast wagon.

What a waste of steak.

Smondie

Your Face wrote: »

Reading your post was a form of animal cruelty OP.

I'm sorry if your owner treated you so bad my post triggers you

Your Face

Your bad spelling triggered me.

Hologram

Smondie wrote: »

Whipped to do humiliating tricks, carried around in Barron beast wagons and ridden for pleasure, it's the same treatment the elephants had



But then again, most of the anti elephant crowd are horse owners, they were probably in the stands cheering it on, the big hypocrites

"most of the anti elephant crowd are horse owners"?

Smondie

Hologram wrote: »

"most of the anti elephant crowd are horse owners"?

Yes, pictures of thier animals surface at one stage, it wasn't pretty.
Horses in barren cells with big bars and dogs dressed as ballerinas