what do you think of groups like the EDL

aaron77a

My theory is that because there is a lot of classism in England especially more than anywhere else I know of, it's kind of like where a child is being bullied in school and then the person being bullied tries to bully someone smaller than him.

I think they try and make themselves feel better by picking on people in a worse situation than themselves.

RayM

Some people are just drawn to extremism. If the average EDL member was a Muslim, he'd be an ISIS sympathiser.

FortySeven

Finally found a group that would accept them..bout sums it up for me.

Fratton Fred

aaron77a wrote: »

My theory is that because there is a lot of classism in England especially more than anywhere else I know of, it's kind of like where a child is being bullied in school and then the person being bullied tries to bully someone smaller than him.

I think they try and make themselves feel better by picking on people in a worse situation than themselves.

What?

There may be a nominal class system in the UK, but you would never experience snobbery like you do in Ireland.

What that has to do with the EDL though I have no idea. The EDL are just a bunch of dicks that blame "them over there" for their own uselessness.

A bit like Eirigi.

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What?

There may be a nominal class system in the UK, but you would never experience snobbery like you do in Ireland.

What that has to do with the EDL though I have no idea. The EDL are just a bunch of dicks that blame "them over there" for their own uselessness.

A bit like Eirigi.

No snobbery in England, are you kidding? Have you never seen the Tory Party or the House of Lords?

Mardy Bum

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What?

There may be a nominal class system in the UK, but you would never experience snobbery like you do in Ireland.

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You don't experience it in England because those who see themselves as upper middle and beyond wouldn't be seen dead in a working class area. People don't mix.

Here people mix all the time. Go down to any country local. That may be why you think there are snobs (admittedly D4 areas are exclusive and snobby)

Exeggcute

EDL, Britain First, Pegida, Identity Ireland.


They're all scum

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

No snobbery in England, are you kidding? Have you never seen the Tory Party or the House of Lords?

I didn't say there was no snobbery, but Jesus christ, you tell someone from Terenure they live in Dublin 8, or someone from Killiney they actually live in Ballybrack and watch them explode.

Your Face

I dont know what that is, but Im vehemently against it.

Tabnabs

Mardy Bum wrote: »

You don't experience it in England because those who see themselves as upper middle and beyond wouldn't be seen dead in a working class area. People don't mix.

Here people mix all the time. Go down to any country local. That may be why you think there are snobs (admittedly D4 areas are exclusive and snobby)

I take it you've never drank in the bar in Kiely's in Donnybrook, D4? Most of the folks there from the local council estate.

smash

Mardy Bum wrote: »

admittedly D4 areas are exclusive and snobby

Yea. Like Irishtown and Ringsend...

FTA69

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What?

There may be a nominal class system in the UK, but you would never experience snobbery like you do in Ireland.

What that has to do with the EDL though I have no idea. The EDL are just a bunch of dicks that blame "them over there" for their own uselessness.

A bit like Eirigi.

Not as much snobbery in England? You're having a laugh mate. Also eirigi are nothing like the EDL.

bigpink

I dont support idiots however we are afraid in this country to tackle our border control

pickarooney

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I didn't say there was no snobbery, but Jesus christ, you tell someone from Terenure they live in Dublin 8, or someone from Killiney they actually live in Ballybrack and watch them explode.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/22/royal-mail-postcode-data-ingrained-snobbery

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1517287/Slough-or-Windsor-How-postcode-snobs-are-pushing-the-boundaries.html

Fratton Fred

FTA69 wrote: »

Not as much snobbery in England? You're having a laugh mate. Also eirigi are nothing like the EDL.

Not at all.

Different politics, same easily lead simpletons.

Skylinehead

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I didn't say there was no snobbery, but Jesus christ, you tell someone from Terenure they live in Dublin 8, or someone from Killiney they actually live in Ballybrack and watch them explode.

Yes, and I'm sure there's absolutely no places with similar situations in all of Britain. Come off it.

EDIT: I've been beaten to it, and with copious examples

Mardy Bum

Tabnabs wrote: »

I take it you've never drank in the bar in Kiely's in Donnybrook, D4? Most of the folks there from the local council estate.

The people who live in the flats wouldn't be regulars and most of the houses in BH are private now and cost a fortune. But as someone else said there would be a level of snobbery in those parts that would be similar to England.

aaron77a

aaron77a wrote: »

My theory is that because there is a lot of classism in England especially more than anywhere else I know of, it's kind of like where a child is being bullied in school and then the person being bullied tries to bully someone smaller than him.

I think they try and make themselves feel better by picking on people in a worse situation than themselves.

It was all so much better in the glory days of Empire when all the gurriers could be given a British Army uniform and paid to be a racist scumbag while heroically occupying some other (inferior, of course) people's country. Now, all that ugly aggression is kept pent-up back in England - without even the Paddies to walk on these days thanks to their poxy Peace Process.

Oh, and it's so entertaining to find the English victims of the right-wing economic policies imposed by the uber nationalist Tory party are blaming every foreigner that moves for these very profitable (for British businesses) policies. Cringefest. Scapegoats rule!

Fratton Fred

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was all so much better in the glory days of Empire when all the gurriers could be given a British Army uniform and paid to be a racist scumbag while heroically occupying some other (inferior, of course) people's country. Now, all that ugly aggression is kept pent-up back in England - without even the Paddies to walk on these days thanks to their poxy Peace Process.

Oh, and it's so entertaining to find the English victims of the right-wing economic policies imposed by the uber nationalist Tory party are blaming every foreigner that moves for these very profitable (for British businesses) policies. Cringefest. Scapegoats rule!

If you were English, you'd be in the EDL.

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I didn't say there was no snobbery, but Jesus christ, you tell someone from Terenure they live in Dublin 8, or someone from Killiney they actually live in Ballybrack and watch them explode.

And something like that would never happen in England?

Also, if I lived in Killiney then you live in Killiney not Ballybrack.

aaron77a

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What?

There may be a nominal class system in the UK, but you would never experience snobbery like you do in Ireland.

What that has to do with the EDL though I have no idea. The EDL are just a bunch of dicks that blame "them over there" for their own uselessness.

A bit like Eirigi.

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I stand by what I said the snobbery in England and just the general looking down on people is unparalleled to anywhere else, I'm not saying there's no snobbery here I'm saying that it's nothing compared to England

aaron77a

murpho999 wrote: »

And something like that would never happen in England?

Also, if I lived in Killiney then you live in Killiney not Ballybrack.

It's much more rare in England that's what he was saying not that it never happenes

Fratton Fred

aaron77a wrote: »

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I stand by what I said the snobbery in England and just the general looking down on people is unparalleled to anywhere else, I'm not saying there's no snobbery here I'm saying that it's nothing compared to England

Where in England do/did you live?

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

Also, if I lived in Killiney then you live in Killiney not Ballybrack.

I know people that live right in the heart of Ballybrack village but will swear blind that their side of the road is actually Killiney!

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Where in England do/did you live?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11043972/Britains-best-export-is-its-snobbery.html

aaron77a

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Where in England do/did you live?

London and I also lived very shortly in Manchester, it's just something you kind of know living there you can even tell by things like talk shows on the TV its that obvious.

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know people that live right in the heart of Ballybrack village but will swear blind that their side of the road is actually Killiney!

It's all about property prices. In fairness it's not that far off, only a couple of hundred meters.

It does not mean there is more snobbery than in an elitist based society like in the UK.

aaron77a

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I know people that live right in the heart of Ballybrack village but will swear blind that their side of the road is actually Killiney!

That's nothing compared to the snobbery I'm talking about, that's the kind of snobbery I was talking about in Ireland it's a different kettle of fish in England.

Fratton Fred

aaron77a wrote: »

London and I also lived very shortly in Manchester, it's just something you kind of know living there you can even tell by things like talk shows on the TV its that obvious.

That must be your perception.

I've witnessed ten times more snobbery in ten years in Dublin than I did in thirty years in the UK.

To go back to you OP though, the EDL are just racist thugs.

What you are alluding to, is the exact reason why school girls in Dalkey refer to the "knackers" in Sallynoggin etc.

It's making themselves feel more powerful, by putting down others. Usually for no reason other then their own insecurities.

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11043972/Britains-best-export-is-its-snobbery.html

Britain exports snobbery in the same way Ireland exports leprechauns.

It's a quaint little self mocking cliche, no one takes it seriously.

FTA69

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not at all.

Different politics, same easily lead simpletons.

I wouldn't say that either. I was involved with Éirigi at their earliest stages and didn't come across anyone you'd construe as a dope. They certainly had fringe politics but they were also people of ability who played a very pivotal role in SF for a long time. As a project they didn't gain traction for a variety of reasons but they certainly weren't muppets.

They're certainly a contrast to the people in the British street far-right I've come across who are thugs for the most part.

ancapailldorcha

The EDL are scum, plain and simply. Racist, xenophobic white trash that'll hopefully be extinct soon.

Herb Powell

Gobshhites in the extreme.

Fratton Fred

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you were English, you'd be in the EDL.

If you were intelligent, you'd make smarter comebacks.

Ruu

Great bunch of lads......wait no, that's the Chinese.

super_furry

The poor and poorly educated always look for someone else to blame for their lot in life.

ancapailldorcha

aaron77a wrote: »

My theory is that because there is a lot of classism in England especially more than anywhere else I know of, it's kind of like where a child is being bullied in school and then the person being bullied tries to bully someone smaller than him.

I think they try and make themselves feel better by picking on people in a worse situation than themselves.

How would England be worse for classism than anywhere else?

aaron77a

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

How would England be worse for classism than anywhere else?

England is an Elitist country the way the working class are treated by upper class and middle class is horrible I'm not saying it's not like that in other places but that it's a lot more so in England than other places.

Just out of curiosity are you British at all? I'm just curious you don't have to answer.

murpho999

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Britain exports snobbery in the same way Ireland exports leprechauns.

It's a quaint little self mocking cliche, no one takes it seriously.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That must be your perception.

I've witnessed ten times more snobbery in ten years in Dublin than I did in thirty years in the UK.

You really do post some rubbish and defend England/UK in every way when ever the opportunity arises.

How you can say there is more snobbery in Ireland compared to UK which has aristocracy, royalty, knighthoods, public schools buried deep into the very fabric of the society is beyond me whilst the best you can come up with about Irish snobbery is people caring about where they live.

ancapailldorcha

aaron77a wrote: »

England is an Elitist country the way the working class are treated by upper class and middle class is horrible I'm not saying it's not like that in other places but that it's a lot more so in England than other places.

How specifically is this any worse than anywhere else?

JuliusSeizure

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The EDL are scum, plain and simply. Racist, xenophobic white trash that'll hopefully be extinct soon.

You realise 'white trash' is a racist term, yes? You're a bit of a racist yourself.

ancapailldorcha

JuliusSeizure wrote: »

You realise 'white trash' is a racist term, yes? You're a bit of a racist yourself.

Not when I'm white. I am reminded of a quote from Preacher:

"Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it?"

Fratton Fred

murpho999 wrote: »

You really do post some rubbish and defend England/UK in every way when ever the opportunity arises.

blah blah, ****ing blah.

murpho999 wrote: »

How you can say there is more snobbery in Ireland compared to UK which has aristocracy, royalty, knighthoods, public schools buried deep into the very fabric of the society is beyond me whilst the best you can come up with about Irish snobbery is people caring about where they live.

You are confusing "class" with snobbery, they are two different things.

Exeggcute

It was interesting to see many Polish on social media sharing EDL/Britain First anti-Muslim posts only to find themselves on the receiving end of the same kind of posts after Brexit. Maybe the poles will now think twice when it comes to supporting these groups because before the Muslim hatred it was the poles themselves being vilified as "immigrant hordes" taking over the place.

JuliusSeizure

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Not when I'm white. I am reminded of a quote from Preacher:

"Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it?"

It's still a racist term.

aaron77a

Fratton Fred wrote: »

blah blah, ****ing blah.



You are confusing "class" with snobbery, they are two different things.

No one is confusing anything.

Its dead Jim

Theyre an odd bunch, often working class people who thinks immigration is awful but feel threatened that the awful immigrants are still preferable than themselves.

super_furry

They're basically all a variation on this guy anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

ancapailldorcha

JuliusSeizure wrote: »

It's still a racist term.

It's also quite accurate in a lot of cases like Britain First, Pegida, EDL, etc...

Fratton Fred

aaron77a wrote: »

No one is confusing anything.

Yes, yes they are.

Going to a public school and having a double barrelled surname, does not make you a snob.

Living in Donnybrook and considering yourself better than someone from Irish town makes you a snob.

Christ, you should listen to my sister in law from Clondalkin lie through her teeth to her lawyer friends about growing up in Monkstown, ducking sickening.

aaron77a

super_furry wrote: »

They're basically all a variation on this guy anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

He seems like a cool guy