Portmarnock development?

vg88

I hoped I post this in the right forum!

Anyway I've noticed a straight dug up line (a road way by the looks of it) beside one of the farms at the road at the road about at the coast road. Also this morning I saw a lot of construction vehicles beside portmarnock dart station.

Anyone know what this is?

Grolschevik

New large scale residential developments.

Hollister11

Grolschevik wrote: »

New large scale residential developments.

How many properties.

Jimmy Iovine

Hollister11 wrote: »

How many properties.

Lots. It's a huge site. There's a smaller site on the opposite side of the road where they will build 50 -80 apartments and houses.

http://www.gazettegroup.com/news/consent-granted-for-121-houses/

I'm living on Station Road. I hope the majority will use the train station for commuting. Probably won't be around there when it's fully built though.

The road isn't wide enough for a huge volume of traffic at peak times. Especially when commuters are walking on the footpath.

Hollister11

Great, even more people on an already packed train in the morning. All the DART platforms will have to be extended again, and DARTS upgraded to 10 carriages.

dak

Sherman Oaks are building this development 413 Houses and 271 apartments total 684 in all

F07A/0947 Appeal Lodged: 16-Jan-2008
Nature of Appeal: 3rd Vs Decision
Councils Decision: GRANT PERMISSION
Applicant: Sherman Oaks Ltd
Location: Station Road And Mayne Road, Portmarnock, Co Dublin
Proposed Development: The initial phase (Phase A) of an integrated residential neighbourhood development at Station Road and Mayne Road, Portmarnock on the lands of the Portmarnock Local Area Plan, in the townlands of Maynetown and Portmarnock.
Phase A will include 684 residential units, made up of 413 houses ranging in size from 3 to 5-bedroom, 271 apartments in buildings ranging between 3 and 4 storeys in height and a 3-storey neighbourhood centre with a ground floor retail element of 455 sq.m. gross in 3 units with apartments over and associated parking at surface level; and all associated site development works, landscaping, boundary treatments, pump house with service vehicle access on Coast Road, storage buildings and one underground boiler house with associated vent, and surface water discharge structures at Baldoyle Estuary. Access is provided by new junctions from Station Road (which will be upgraded locally including a bus lay-by) and Mayne Road, with a spine road facilitating bus public transport linking both. The development will provide for an additional 151 commuter car parking spaces to primarily serve Portmarnock railway station, accessed via the station car park and the neighbourhood centre and located at basement level below the proposed neighbourhood centre.

Part of the development relates to the curtilage of a protected structure (No. 475) and recorded monument namely RMP No. DU015:014 Portmarnock Mound and a recorded monument RMP No. DU015:055 Maynetown Enclosure.

The planning application will be accompanied by an Environmental Impact Statement.

Jimmy Iovine

They have a sign up at the site. It's going to be called St Marnock's Bay. I will have to double check that though. It only went up over the weekend I think and I saw it late at night tonight.

neris

i will wonder will they restart on the new road that was meant to be built from donaghmeade now that theyre developing a large scale housing site

neris

just noticed this morning when driving over to portmarnock this morning they have dug what looks like the foundations for a road into one of the fields just down from that littlke fenced off area the DAA use. More houses??

Grolschevik

neris wrote:

just noticed this morning when driving over to portmarnock this morning they have dug what looks like the foundations for a road into one of the fields just down from that littlke fenced off area the DAA use. More houses??

The bridge is to be closed for repairs for a few weeks and they are installing a temporary pedestrian footbridge. Could the preparations for this be what you saw? I'm not familiar with the description of the land you use.

EDIT: Link to bridge thread here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057633658

neris

no this particular site is not the bridge. its on the baldoyle paortmarnock road a good bit before the mini roundabout into portmarnock. its around this part here on google maps

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4129203,-6.1377555,203m/data=!3m1!1e3

though they did seem to be doing stuff for the bridge aswell when i was driving past it. they had all the lights off it and lads in the field beside it with machinery.

Grolschevik

neris wrote: »

no this particular site is not the bridge. its on the baldoyle paortmarnock road a good bit before the mini roundabout into portmarnock. its around this part here on google maps

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4129203,-6.1377555,203m/data=!3m1!1e3

though they did seem to be doing stuff for the bridge aswell when i was driving past it. they had all the lights off it and lads in the field beside it with machinery.

Ok. Dunno what that is! There was talk of a cycle track around there before, though.

kalibraaa

Its a new development by Ballymore Properties called Marnocks Bay. Hope the new buyers are aware of Ballymore and their Pyrite connections. Crazy though that these developments are going up without the surrounding roads being upgraded. Station rd is a death trap already.

Grolschevik

kalibraaa wrote:

Its a new development by Ballymore Properties called Marnocks Bay. Hope the new buyers are aware of Ballymore and their Pyrite connections. Crazy though that these developments are going up without the surrounding roads being upgraded. Station rd is a death trap already.

The OP was talking about something on the road between Portmarnock and Baldoyle, not the developments on Station Road.

Unless the new development big enough to have access from there.

And "death trap"? Really? In what way?

kalibraaa

Post mentioned 'beside Portmarnock Dart station' and thats Station rd. If you know the area as well as I do as I travel it every day as do my kids then you will know that there is not enough room for a truck/bus and a car to share the road (at the Drumnigh Rd end) forcing traffic on to the footpaths. This I see every day. Fingal planners are a disgrace!

Grolschevik

kalibraaa wrote:

Post mentioned 'beside Portmarnock Dart station' and thats Station rd. If you know the area as well as I do as I travel it every day as do my kids then you will know that there is not enough room for a truck/bus and a car to share the road (at the Drumnigh Rd end) forcing traffic on to the footpaths. This I see every day. Fingal planners are a disgrace!

I thought you were responding to user Neris' question in post 9, given that the the info on the development was already answered ages ago.

And I live on Station Road, walk or drive on it daily, and cycle it frequently. The road at the junction you mention is narrow, but I've rarely seen anyone having to be forced onto the pavement bar heavy earth movers. Or people in jeeps with no spatial awareness.

kalibraaa

Nothing to do with spatial awareness Im afraid I have sent multiple photos to fingal traffic engineers showing cars on footpaths. A truck/bus and a car will not physically fit on that road. Fingal say that they need to do a compulsory land purchase there to widen but of course they dont have the money. It takes a fatality in this country to get anything done.

Grolschevik

kalibraaa wrote:

A truck/bus and a car will not physically fit on that road.

That is not my experience of using that part of the road twice daily, both morning and evening, pretty much every day for the last eight years.

It is narrow, though. But many issues may be down to cars being unwilling to get too close to the badly trimmed bushes and therefore not making the most efficient use of the available space.

Both sides of the road are peoples' gardens, so a compulsory purchase order would indeed be required.

kalibraaa

I would put a pic on here of what I see every day - if I only knew how :-)

Grolschevik

I've seen it, alright, but rarely and in the context of two large vehicles happening to meet going in opposite directions.

Or someone in a large SUV, which is where the spatial awareness and fear of bush scratches comes in!

But in all fairness, there's very little foot traffic that end, in the grand scheme of things, and pedestrians are very visible. The chances of a bus or truck mounting the pavement at speed and ploughing into a pedestrian are miniscule, given what you point out about the narrowness there.

That's why I think "death trap" is hyperbole...

Grolschevik

kalibraaa wrote:

I would put a pic on here of what I see every day - if I only knew how :-)

Think you need a certain number of posts on Boards to be able to do that.

kalibraaa

I take it more seriously when the foot traffic is my kids. I will keep pushing for change. Hope you are tuned in Alan Farrell?

Grolschevik

kalibraaa wrote:

Hope you are tuned in Alan Farrell?

And while you're at it, what about the visibility at the T junction at Moyne/Druimnigh Roads?

And the state of the footpath around there, on both roads, is almost unnavigable...

Anyway, off topic!

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I have had my wing mirror clipped by trucks (and by a car) on more than one occasion on Station Road, always while stationary. The road is definitely not wide enough. The poorly trimmed hedges do not help either. You cannot mount the footpath (temporarily) to allow larger vehicles to pass you by as the curb is very large and would ruin the car - and yes I understand you're not meant to mount the foothpath/curb.

This development is going to be a disaster for Portmarnock Village. The proposed Aldi/Lidl traffic on top of the residential development is going to make the village "avoid at all costs".

Buckfast W

I thought the Lidl/Aldi was refused planning permission??

Grolschevik

Buckfast W wrote: »

I thought the Lidl/Aldi was refused planning permission??

Approved with conditions on the site opposite the off-licence Jus de Vin.

And yep, traffic will be terrible.

Hollister11

I think it was the Sands site where they were denied permission.

Buckfast W

Yeah I saw that the land was sold but I thought the local residents were up in arms because of the traffic chaos that this would cause. That parcel of land is tiny, they couldn't of picked a worse place to put a Lidl.

Hollister11

Is there a link to the planning permission application. I can tell find one on the final website.

kalibraaa

Fingal Planning Web Site reference = F15A/0265. Crazy decision.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Indeed. You would wonder how this got approval. *cough* :mad:

kalibraaa wrote: »

Fingal Planning Web Site reference = F15A/0265. Crazy decision.

dak

Hi. The excavation on the Portmarnock to Baldoyle road is work being done on behalf of Fingals Diversity Officer Hans Visser and they are creating roosts for the large no of Brent Geese that visit Portmarnock annually during their annual migration.

Dak

Hollister11

The proposed development will consist of the construction of a two-storey building including supermarket, two retail units, one café unit, two office units, lobby areas, circulation and services spaces, with a maximum height of c. 11.1m and with a gross floor area measuring c. 2,740 sq.m. The proposed supermarket at first-floor level includes ancillary off-licence sales area, ancillary storage, staff and customer facilities, and two office units with shared staff facilities.

How will all of this fit onto the site, it's not that big, is it ?

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

and a car park??

maximum12

dak wrote: »

Hi. The excavation on the Portmarnock to Baldoyle road is work being done on behalf of Fingals Diversity Officer Hans Visser and they are creating roosts for the large no of Brent Geese that visit Portmarnock annually during their annual migration.

Dak

Directly under a flight path seems like a funny place to encourage more large birds.

dak

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM HANS VISSER - FINGAL CC BIODIVERSITY OFFICER

The aim of the works at the estuary is to create a new roosting and feeding site for the Geese and other migratory birds. This area was covered in rank grassland and bramble and was not doing much for the migratory birds in the estuary. We want to turn this area into short grassland that will benefit a range of birds during high tide periods in particular. The green opposite the Texaco station is a good site for Geese too, but disturbance by kids and dogs running after the geese is becoming an increasing problem. Don’t get me wrong, I think it is good for the kids to have the interaction with wildlife, but the Geese have to move on wasting badly needed energy. The idea behind the area along the coast road would be that it is fenced off and therefore disturbance should be less of an issue.

A much bigger feeding and roosting site is also being created in the parkland on the other side of the road. This area will also comprise of short grassland and will be grazed with Highland cattle for most of the year. This field will be topped and fertilized in September each year to provide good quality grass for grazing by Geese. The grass was sown in this area earlier this year and Ballymore homes will be installing the fencing over the next couple of weeks. We will be monitoring the area this winter to see how successful this area is in attracting birds such as Brent Geese, Lapwing, Curlew and others.

Dak

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

What a disaster for the residents in Portmarnock. The tail backs are horrendous.

kalibraaa

Anyone who reads this thread and is concerned about the traffic on Portmarnocks country roads please contact finglals chief road engineer Jim.Cleary at fingal dot ie to get this sorted before someone gets killed

Jimmy Iovine

In one year another 1,000(?) people will be living on Station Road. How many extra cars is that a day?

This hasn't been thought through at all. Ridiculous. I've sent an email. I look forward to the response.

subpar

Property in Portmarnock is way overpriced anyway.

The traffic today on the back road was awful.

maximum12

subpar wrote: »

Property in Portmarnock is way overpriced anyway.

Demand exceeds supply

kalibraaa

Latest update from Fingal County Council meeting held on the 7th April. Can being kicked down the road me thinks?

Councillor B. McDonagh - Road Widening at Station Road Portmarnock. A1027999

"To ask the Chief Executive to take appropriate steps to widen the road at Station Road Portmarnock where it meets Drumnigh Road to prevent vehicles being forced to mount the footpath before the commencement of the work on Portmarnock Bridge?'Image

During the period in which improvement works will be underway on Portmarnock Bridge, temporary traffic signals wili be erected and manned at the Station Road / Drumnigh Road junction. In addition, a specific HGV diversion route has been designed with a view to keeping HGV's away from the Drumnigh Road.

Whereas, it would not be practical to widen Station Road in the coming weeks, the matter will be given consideration in the context of road improvements for 201 7, subject to the availability of necessary funding.

rach_88

Hello,

Looking to purchase in the new St Marnocks Bay on Station Road. Took a drive out yesterday and noticed the flight path directly above the housing development... Planes every 3 minutes overhead and EXTREMELY loud... Would this bother anyone and do you think this would be a problem? What is everyones thoughts on the area and the neighbouring developments? Thanks R

kalibraaa

Hi Rach - Flights can be a pain and with the newly proposed runway it will probably get worse. Id double check for pyrite as well up there. Many new builds on the north side have had this problem and it has not been dealt with properly by the developers who are 100% responsible for the quality of materials they use to build a house.

rach_88

Ah I didn't know about the new runway. I wonder is it approved, I will have to look into that. 3 bed houses at 435k seems crazy if this will be a problem.. I'm hoping these houses should be ok, Ballymore are very good...

Hollister11

rach_88 wrote: »

Ah I didn't know about the new runway. I wonder is it approved, I will have to look into that. 3 bed houses at 435k seems crazy if this will be a problem.. I'm hoping these houses should be ok, Ballymore are very good...

It's a 3 bed in Portmarnock, not some run down kip.

kalibraaa

Ballymore built Drumnigh Wood in Portmarnock and there are lots of not so happy home owners in there trying to deal with pyrite.

rach_88

kalibraaa wrote: »

Ballymore built Drumnigh Wood in Portmarnock and there are lots of not so happy home owners in there trying to deal with pyrite.

Oh I didn't know that! Thanks

kalibraaa

I dont want to be scare mongering but if I was buying a new build on the North Side I would look for a lifetime assurance against Pyrite.

Grolschevik

rach_88 wrote:

Looking to purchase in the new St Marnocks Bay on Station Road. Took a drive out yesterday and noticed the flight path directly above the housing development... Planes every 3 minutes overhead and EXTREMELY loud... Would this bother anyone and do you think this would be a problem? What is everyones thoughts on the area and the neighbouring developments? Thanks R

I live across the road from that development. Plane noise is not intrusive, almost negligible to my mind. Though people differ in what annoys them. Not an issue for us.

Our place is well insulated and has double glazing, so I'd expect the new builds to have this too, given the location.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

You'll get used to the noise of the planes.

I would be far more worried about the inevitable traffic chaos. The flow of traffic through the village is already slow. With the addition of Lidl in the middle of the village and the influx of people to St Marnocks Bay, it will be a complete nightmare. Even outside of the usual peak times, I avoid going through that village at all costs.