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TV3 and UTV Ireland the saga continues

  • 12-07-2016 1:22pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭


    So just to join the two mega threads together as we are going to be posting the same info in both for the next while.

    So what will TV3 do versus what they probably should do?

    TV3 have already commissioned Red Rock for a full 52 weeks in 2017. Though they will probably reduce their independent productions overall once they get the ITV programmes back. They will also probably retain their in-house news docs. All of which bar IACGMOH will be on TV3.

    UTV Ireland will be re-branded leaving the daytime intact, I imagine it will be even closer to ITV during the day. Rather than keeping ITV Dramas, I can see them put repeats of the soaps on UTV Ireland after 9, while also dropping Ireland Live (rather than dropping TV3 docs and using Ireland Live staff to produce a Newsnight type programme).

    I can't see 3e changing all that much. Unless Virgin Media start providing them with more first showings of US programming and decide to use it as the Sports channel, which it may have to do with ITV not having access to Champions League.

    Overall TV3 will see an increase, but with no indo productions it won't gain as much as it should, Red Rock will certainly see an increase with the help of the ITV Soaps. 3e will retain its audience but the New UTV Ireland (aka 3U) will be down.

    This is based on the both channels inability over the last year and a half to produce creative programming and schedules.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,581 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    mmm, sage and onion...

    (bit of a topic typo)

    I don't see this getting regulatory approval - that they owned both private PSB-alikes before won't really impact much in wanting to own all 3 particularly with the cuts that would be inevitable. That was also before Liberty with its other media holdings were involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    L1011 wrote: »
    mmm, sage and onion...

    (bit of a topic typo)

    I don't see this getting regulatory approval - that they owned both private PSB-alikes before won't really impact much in wanting to own all 3 particularly with the cuts that would be inevitable. That was also before Liberty with its other media holdings were involved.

    yes I do mean saga...

    Like ITV takeover of UTV Ireland and Virgin Media's of TV3 the Regulators have no choice. If the do denie the takeover, UTV Ireland shuts up shop and ITV sell their products to TV3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    For TV3, it'll be back to schedule of 2 years ago. Jeremy Kyle back in 10am, The Chase will alternate with Tipping Point at 1pm. Late Lunch Live will return to 3:30. The soaps will dominate 7-9. Maybe even move Red Rock to Mon & Fri at 8pm, and take complete advantage of Coronation Street lead-ins. A mixture of big ITV dramas and entertainment alongside TV3 documentaries should bring good ratings.
    There has been a slowdown on home-produced programming (probably to do with the uncertainty of the takeover). Be good to get some quizzes and panel shows in the HD studios.

    3e - will continue with 3kids in the morning, and then use ITV daytime shows to populate the rest of the schedule like Dickinson, Judge Rinder, Tipping Point and The Chase. Don't see then touching This Morning or Loose Women one bit. Put Big Brother, CBB, IACGMOOH exclusively on 3e as well.

    UTV Ireland - rebrand quickly as possible if they are keeping it. Get it away from the UTV brand, so people will stop comparing the channel with ITV and UTV NI. 3drama, 3encore, 3life, 3star, 3iller (maybe that one is pushing it too far :D)
    Hard to even know what to show here, that would give an alternative to 3e and TV3. Horseracing during the day would help, and then go ITV3/4 in later evenings with classic Morse, Touch Of Frost, Bad Girls, Agatha Christie etc. 9pm could be devoted to new ITV or US drama. Unsure how to 'Irish' it up though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    3U i tell you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭twinklerunner


    Elmo wrote: »
    3U i tell you.

    iTV3


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I can't see why they'd keep UTV Ireland when the channel has been tainted with failure from literally Day 1 and they already have TV3 and 3e.

    I'd imagine the headline shows will go to TV3, the rest to 3e (as sort of an ITV2/4), with the UTV staff split between both stations or made redundant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I can't see why they'd keep UTV Ireland when the channel has been tainted with failure from literally Day 1 and they already have TV3 and 3e.

    I'd imagine the headline shows will go to TV3, the rest to 3e (as sort of an ITV2/4), with the UTV staff split between both stations or made redundant.

    To retain viewers. UTV is only tainted because of the bad press that TV3 put out about it, TV3 acted as if they where doing really much better than UTV Ireland which was not the case. If they close UTV Ireland I'd imagine TV3, 3e, UTV Ireland's audience would fall even further, than with a re-brand to 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Radio Gold


    It would just make sense to Keep the Soaps on what is Currently Utv Ire. The 7 O'clock show is on Tv3 is quite popular and also Tuesday Night is the Champions League. It would only cause more confusion if the Soaps are moved back TV3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Elmo wrote: »
    To retain viewers. UTV is only tainted because of the bad press that TV3 put out about it, TV3 acted as if they where doing really much better than UTV Ireland which was not the case. If they close UTV Ireland I'd imagine TV3, 3e, UTV Ireland's audience would fall even further, than with a re-brand to 3.

    Disagree... UTVI failed because it was a stripped-out, watered-down shadow of the channel it replaced and 2 soaps aren't enough to carry a channel.

    They got the line-up wrong, the branding wrong, and even their headline act, Pat Kenny wasn't used properly (he's actually very good in current/political affairs but nope...)

    Those that have stuck with this channel did so because of the aforementioned soaps in the main, and will follow them to TV3, leaving... what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Radio Gold wrote: »
    It would just make sense to Keep the Soaps on what is Currently Utv Ire. The 7 O'clock show is on Tv3 is quite popular and also Tuesday Night is the Champions League. It would only cause more confusion if the Soaps are moved back TV3.

    The Seven O'Clock Show has done dreadfully over the past year.
    Disagree... UTVI failed because it was a stripped-out, watered-down shadow of the channel it replaced and 2 soaps aren't enough to carry a channel.

    They got the line-up wrong, the branding wrong, and even their headline act, Pat Kenny wasn't used properly (he's actually very good in current/political affairs but nope...)

    Those that have stuck with this channel did so because of the aforementioned soaps in the main, and will follow them to TV3, leaving... what?

    I agree the use of the brand was wrong, but TV3 play up the idea that programmes like The Seven O'Clock Show were doing excellently, when in reality TV3 was just as striped of ITV as UTV, just instead they had the Reality Shows.

    UTV Ireland if TV3 do it correctly could be home to new ITV Drama's that don't get a showing on TV3 and Daytime ITV. The amazing Seven O'Clock Show with its massive following may move to UTV Ireland, though other programmes would suit.


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    iseegirls wrote: »
    For TV3, it'll be back to schedule of 2 years ago. Jeremy Kyle back in 10am, The Chase will alternate with Tipping Point at 1pm. Late Lunch Live will return to 3:30. The soaps will dominate 7-9. Maybe even move Red Rock to Mon & Fri at 8pm, and take complete advantage of Coronation Street lead-ins. A mixture of big ITV dramas and entertainment alongside TV3 documentaries should bring good ratings.
    There has been a slowdown on home-produced programming (probably to do with the uncertainty of the takeover). Be good to get some quizzes and panel shows in the HD studios.

    3e - will continue with 3kids in the morning, and then use ITV daytime shows to populate the rest of the schedule like Dickinson, Judge Rinder, Tipping Point and The Chase. Don't see then touching This Morning or Loose Women one bit. Put Big Brother, CBB, IACGMOOH exclusively on 3e as well.

    UTV Ireland - rebrand quickly as possible if they are keeping it. Get it away from the UTV brand, so people will stop comparing the channel with ITV and UTV NI. 3drama, 3encore, 3life, 3star, 3iller (maybe that one is pushing it too far :D)
    Hard to even know what to show here, that would give an alternative to 3e and TV3. Horseracing during the day would help, and then go ITV3/4 in later evenings with classic Morse, Touch Of Frost, Bad Girls, Agatha Christie etc. 9pm could be devoted to new ITV or US drama. Unsure how to 'Irish' it up though.

    I would be happy with that schedule!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,064 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Aquarius, Poldark, Rectify, Endeavour, A Touch Of Frost, Cracker, Inspector Morse, Cold Feet, Victoria..... just some of the drama available under the ITV Studio content agreement to TV3/Virgin... there is plenty to create decent channels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭twinklerunner


    Elmo wrote: »
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I can't see why they'd keep UTV Ireland when the channel has been tainted with failure from literally Day 1 and they already have TV3 and 3e.

    I'd imagine the headline shows will go to TV3, the rest to 3e (as sort of an ITV2/4), with the UTV staff split between both stations or made redundant.

    To retain viewers. UTV is only tainted because of the bad press that TV3 put out about it, TV3 acted as if they where doing really much better than UTV Ireland which was not the case. If they close UTV Ireland I'd imagine TV3, 3e, UTV Ireland's audience would fall even further, than with a re-brand to 3.

    I don't know why they would associate with the U from UTV when they can be associated with ITV


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭mike2084


    In regards to UK horseracing from previous thread and RTE having exclusivity, Setanta as it was had the same Racing UK coverage as RTE, although I accept that's not terrestrial.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    I hope we don't lose ITV 4, love all the old shows and movies they show..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    I don't know why they would associate with the U from UTV when they can be associated with ITV

    Hope they get rid of the U and make a fresh start or shut the channel altogether.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    yeah I reckon the best thing is to get rid of the U as well, everything to do with the UTV brand just did not work here, time for a fresh change. At this stage the further they remove themselves from the ITV network the better as too many people are comparing it to a highly watered down version of ITV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Hope they get rid of the U and make a fresh start or shut the channel altogether.

    The only reason I suggest 3U is because TV3 have no imagination and have proved it time and time again. The same goes for the management at UTV Ireland, who will keep their jobs more than likely.

    TV3 needs a complete new branding. Particularly 3e, which since its rebranding and takeover by TV3 has been pitiful.

    The channel will stay, as pointed out there is no reason why TV3 would have bought the channel just to close the channel. It'd be easier for ITV do announce the closure and TV3 to announce they had struck a deal with ITV for UTV Ireland shows. They will rebrand the channel as a TV3 channel. It will be very lazy choose (my bets are on 3U, or something like more3, 3xpose, 3today etc etc).

    The other reason is to retain viewers, if they close UTV Ireland it is likely that TV3, UTV Ireland and 3e would loose 4% share of the market. Because of management at TV3 their only sencible move will be to keep UTV and see a drop of 2%.

    The other reason I think it will be 3U is because of the kind of opinion spouted in the media about the takeover by people formally involved with TV3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    They really need to drop the U. No matter what spin is put on it, U = Ulster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    JDxtra wrote: »
    They really need to drop the U. No matter what spin is put on it, U = Ulster.

    U for you!

    You'd think that UTV Ireland was a total disaster and that TV3 had had a successful 1 and a half, IMO TV3 = junk bonds.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I dunno if TV3 will hold onto UTV Ireland, may just close it down as all the content can easily fit on TV3 and 3E, but agreed TV3 needs a whole rebrand, it looks cheap and tacky and one one step above the awful UTV branding.

    TG4 branding is surprisingly really good, looks very modern and fresh. Now that TV3 have a very wealthy parent company they can easily transform to a much better professionally branded range of channels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I dunno if TV3 will hold onto UTV Ireland, may just close it down as all the content can easily fit on TV3 and 3E, but agreed TV3 needs a whole rebrand, it looks cheap and tacky and one one step above the awful UTV branding.

    TG4 branding is surprisingly really good, looks very modern and fresh. Now that TV3 have a very wealthy parent company they can easily transform to a much better professionally branded range of channels.

    both the original TV3 and Channel6 logos look ten times more modern than the resulting efforts.

    TG4 brand is from 1999 and still looks good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,568 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The TV3/3e branding, and the attrociuous quality of transmission (of 3e on Sky, and TV3 on saorview - I have Sky HD) really make it look like a cheap channel. Even the Vincent Browne studio looks tacky and crap... It's all about appearances!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    391699.jpgthis is how lazy I think they will be :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭dave98


    I think Virgin Media are mad to pay €10million for UTV Ireland. As mentioned earlier, UTV Ireland was doomed from the start - because of the name. Whether they meant it or not, by calling it UTV Ireland, it automatically meant people would compare it to UTV NI. I might have been naive, but when I heard UTV Ire was launching, I thought it would be like the old UTV but just with Irish ads.

    I think TV3 needs to find its place in the market. They have big shows like Big Brother, the euros etc which is great, but other weeks it is very very poor. Which is a pity because I actually like TV3 and would like to see it doing well.They need to be consistant

    UTV Ireland I think has improved since it started. Although if they didnt have Emmerdale and Corrie, it would have closed down before now. The only real show I watch on it is Ireland live news at 5.30. The 5:30 is great on tv3 and would be my first choice but on UTV they give more news and less sport which I prefer.

    I think now is the time for a fresh start. If the take over goes ahead, keep all 3 channels but have a clear plan for all 3. And yes the logos and slogans need a huge revamp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭AwaitYourReply


    Elmo wrote: »
    391699.jpgthis is how lazy I think they will be :)

    I fear your prediction could very well come true if UTV Ireland is re-branded to something like the "3u" concept you have suggested. I think that the overall branding of the independent tv channels here (i.e.) TV3, 3e and UTV Ireland in particular have shown little inspiration and there seems to be a lack of imagination and depth in these brands unlike the channel TG4 for instance.

    That said, I thought TV3 had done relatively well against UTV Ireland when it first came on the scene on 01/01/2015. TV3 lost such a huge amount in their prime time schedules to UTV Ireland and given their precarious commercial position after the advertising downturn post 2008, TV3 took a huge gamble in commissioning a new drama in RedRock which is now airing on BBC One's daytime schedule since last Monday at 1:45pm. TV3 also did pretty well when they secured and broadcast Rugby World Cup coverage in my view given their limited financial resources at the time. But yes, there is always room for improvements.

    My biggest issue with 3e would have to be it's cheap programmes such as "Uploaded" as the picture quality of much of the content aired is sub-standard for broadcasting on a linear TV channel in my view. The material is really more suited for a small screen device.

    Whoever came up with the promo showing Vincent Browne sitting alone in a room alongside a lampshade? To me, it looks like Vinny B is coming directly from a Retirement Village/Nursing Home in that promo - not clever from a sales/marketing point of view as the Tonight with Vincent Browne programme is a staple in the TV3 late evening schedule and is often quite lively depending on the news events of the day, topics, guest panellists/contributors and so on etc;

    If Virgin Media decides to stick with the whole "3" branding across TV3, 3e and the recently acquired UTV Ireland (subject to receiving all the regulatory approval) then they need to do more than a little tinkering around the edges of the branding/scheduling across all of their TV stations. Otherwise, you will have a repeat of the UTV Ireland fiasco which was forced to undergo a mini-rebrand not too long after their initial launch only months earlier. I'm sure they thought once you stuck the colour green all over their branding/home produced programmes, this would be sufficient to attract mass viewership across the Republic of Ireland!

    Gosh, the next 12 months should be interesting with all these changes in the TV/Radio media ownership landscape between TV3/3e/UTV Ireland and eir sport 1/eir sport 2 etc;


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    Could they not just rebrand all Three Channels?

    Virgin 1,2,3

    Would be more powerful and give them a bigger platform than RTE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭dave98


    Could they not just rebrand all Three Channels?

    Virgin 1,2,3

    Would be more powerful and give them a bigger platform than RTE

    I was thinking that aswell. Would be promoting the virgin brand more aswell like what Eir are doing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭AwaitYourReply


    Could they not just rebrand all Three Channels?

    Virgin 1,2,3

    Would be more powerful and give them a bigger platform than RTE

    Of course they could.. but you would probably need to consider the following:

    I'm not sure how well the Virgin brand is regarded in the Irish market these days? Down through the years, we've had Virgin Records, Virgin Megastores, Virgin Cola, Virgin Radio, Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Media.


    Would the Virgin 1,2,3 branded channels be considered as just new channel idents just to replace TV3, 3e and UTV Ireland OR; would there be a comprehensive shake-up of much of the current content across all three existing channels with new content to be added at a later stage?

    Would the removal of the TV3 brand altogether be wise as I imagine the station has probably developed much goodwill since it's inception in the Irish market back in September, 1998? Many observers felt that the whole UTV brand identity was powerful enough to launch and carry the new UTV Ireland channel here in the Republic but they were highly unsuccessful because they thought the UTV name along with broadcast rights for both Emmerdale & Coronation Street would be enough to win sufficient market share - the rest is history - the channel has only been bought twice and it's only a year and a half on air.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭political analyst


    dave98 wrote: »
    I think Virgin Media are mad to pay €10million for UTV Ireland. As mentioned earlier, UTV Ireland was doomed from the start - because of the name. Whether they meant it or not, by calling it UTV Ireland, it automatically meant people would compare it to UTV NI. I might have been naive, but when I heard UTV Ire was launching, I thought it would be like the old UTV but just with Irish ads.

    I think TV3 needs to find its place in the market. They have big shows like Big Brother, the euros etc which is great, but other weeks it is very very poor. Which is a pity because I actually like TV3 and would like to see it doing well.They need to be consistant

    UTV Ireland I think has improved since it started. Although if they didnt have Emmerdale and Corrie, it would have closed down before now. The only real show I watch on it is Ireland live news at 5.30. The 5:30 is great on tv3 and would be my first choice but on UTV they give more news and less sport which I prefer.
    But TV3 doesn't bother with news at weekends (except for summaries on the weekend AM programmes) or on bank holidays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I would question if there is that much goodwill towards TV3 as a brand. As soon as the bought Coro St and Emmers their audiences went from 7% to 10% and as soon as they left they went straight back down to 7%.

    Though is Virgin a good brand in Ireland considering the changes over the years as mentioned above. It seems like the most legitimate thing Virgin could do.

    TV3 News should move to Ireland Live, while Virgin should keep UTV Ireland website and re-brand it. Neither are great websites but UTV Ireland's is much more straight forward.

    I am not sure about the players. UTV Ireland Player V TV3s?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Elmo wrote: »
    I would question if there is that much goodwill towards TV3 as a brand. As soon as the bought Coro St and Emmers their audiences went from 7% to 10% and as soon as they left they went straight back down to 7%.

    Big difference comparing 7% in 2000 to 7% now - especially with so much options available through TV, on demand and streaming. I doubt RTE1 and RTE2 maintained the same level over the past 16 years.
    They have remained the second most watched channel, so most viewers have stayed with them even when the soaps have went. Finding an alternative to the soaps was always going to be tough, but at least TSOCS is homemade and maybe pulls in an ok rating when 7pm and 3.30pm ratings are merged. They wouldn't have kept it there if was bombing. They could have went down the cheaper route of reruns of Friends like RTE2 have done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    iseegirls wrote: »
    Big difference comparing 7% in 2000 to 7% now - especially with so much options available through TV, on demand and streaming. I doubt RTE1 and RTE2 maintained the same level over the past 16 years.
    They have remained the second most watched channel, so most viewers have stayed with them even when the soaps have went. Finding an alternative to the soaps was always going to be tough, but at least TSOCS is homemade and maybe pulls in an ok rating when 7pm and 3.30pm ratings are merged. They wouldn't have kept it there if was bombing. They could have went down the cheaper route of reruns of Friends like RTE2 have done.

    You could look at it like that, but Late Lunch Live wasn't doing great numbers in its Daytime slot. In reality if you have any show at 7 and repeat it at 2:30 you can ad up the resulting figure, most like Late Lunch Live and their 7pm show prior to TSOCS were getting the same audiences.

    TV3 at the end of the day is a national services and in fairness to them VB tonight and their news continued to do well regardless of ITV Soaps. Largely the 7% is made up of sport and ITV Reality TV, imagine if ITV had been able to renegotiate for RoI rights?

    TSOCS might be an Irish show but its cheaply made and not very good. I be more impressed with Red Rock, or even the chance the TV3 would produce a second soap now that they have the ITV ones back, its highly unlikely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    dave98 wrote: »
    I think Virgin Media are mad to pay €10million for UTV Ireland. As mentioned earlier, UTV Ireland was doomed from the start - because of the name. Whether they meant it or not, by calling it UTV Ireland, it automatically meant people would compare it to UTV NI. I might have been naive, but when I heard UTV Ire was launching, I thought it would be like the old UTV but just with Irish ads.

    I'm sure the majority thought that and also assumed that CL footie (okay since bought by BT) football internationals etc would be free to view.

    As for why Virgin spent 10m on buying it (and that's a pittance btw!) its so they could get their hands on Corrie and Emmerdale and the rest of the ITV Studios Global Entertainment output

    I dunno about anyone else but I didn't watch a single UTV programme for more or less the same reason I hardly watch ITV(1) beyond sport of which they have increasingly little.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I'm sure the majority thought that and also assumed that CL footie (okay since bought by BT) football internationals etc would be free to view.

    As for why Virgin spent 10m on buying it (and that's a pittance btw!) its so they could get their hands on Corrie and Emmerdale and the rest of the ITV Studios Global Entertainment output

    I dunno about anyone else but I didn't watch a single UTV programme for more or less the same reason I hardly watch ITV(1) beyond sport of which they have increasingly little.

    Have to say ITV had really gone down hill and while since 2010 they had started producing more drama outside the soaps spliting up the programmes in RoI really didn't make sense.

    Real winners are ITV, you might think 10m is a pittance but we don't know how much of the losses Virgin took, 15m more is not much on the grand scale of things. While ITV have guaranteed income for the next 10 years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    If Virgin Media Ireland want to go Virgin Tv 1,2,3 they might (speculation from me) have to get permission from Richard Branson and pay more in licensing fee's to him so this might be an issue.

    It would make a lot of sense but only time will tell.

    I think in time you will see an exclusive Channel similar to Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Options for TV3 with UTV Ireland

    1. Leave things as they are with a rebrand. The market share is good enough to do this and TV3 could focus on Irish programming on TV3, downside is that Red Rock even with Crossover promotion might not increase its audience.
    2. Move Coro St to TV3 and put TSOCS back by 30mins, with Yesterday's episode of emmerdale on at 6:30, and tell viewers the next episode is on UTV Ireland (like hollyoaks on Channel 4/E4). With no other changes, this should increase TV3's audience share, while keeping UTV Ireland's a little better.
    3. Put everything back to the way it was before 2015, with ITV studio programming not used by TV3 remaining on UTV Ireland
    4. Shut down UTV Ireland, move all ITV shows to TV3, keep Irish productions to a bare minimum.

    Vigin might have an issue with the brand, pity they could have kept the name UPC and rebranded the channels UPC1, 2, 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,662 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Radio Gold wrote: »
    It would just make sense to Keep the Soaps on what is Currently Utv Ire. The 7 O'clock show is on Tv3 is quite popular and also Tuesday Night is the Champions League. It would only cause more confusion if the Soaps are moved back TV3.

    I agree with you. This is only causing more confusion for both male & female viewers of TV3 trying to watch two different types of programmes at the same time.

    If UTVI closes down for good though. Will the schedule be a little more restrictive if CL comes on TV3 & then 3e take over the other programmes for only one night in a certain week. Say if TV3 place the soaps after the 5:30 news; they can give the likes of Xpose or TSOCS to have a night off or place both of them on 3e instead for that Tuesday night to accomodate the CL on TV3.

    Do UFEA stipulate in their contract re TV3 that their first pick of CL matches on Tuesday nights will have to be shown on their main channel? Can TV3 just place the soaps at a slightly earlier time before their CL coverage begins and then the soaps can be put on 3e.

    This is only speculation on my part though. I'm not saying that is final.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I agree with you. This is only causing more confusion for both male & female viewers of TV3 trying to watch two different types of programmes at the same time.

    If UTVI closes down for good though. Will the schedule be a little more restrictive if CL comes on TV3 & then 3e take over the other programmes for only one night in a certain week. Say if TV3 place the soaps after the 5:30 news; they can give the likes of Xpose or TSOCS to have a night off or place both of them on 3e instead for that Tuesday night to accomodate the CL on TV3.

    Do UFEA stipulate in their contract re TV3 that their first pick of CL matches on Tuesday nights will have to be shown on their main channel? Can TV3 just place the soaps at a slightly earlier time before their CL coverage begins and then the soaps can be put on 3e.

    This is only speculation on my part though. I'm not saying that is final.

    When did The 7 O'Clock show become popular?

    TV3 could decide to put all Sports on 3e, but they will need to have a HD version of the channel AFAIK.

    Only Emmerdale would be effected by CL, no other soaps air on Tuesday night on either TV3 or UTV Ireland. And AFAIK TV3 aired CL on Tuesday nights previously. Kick-Off is usually around 19:45.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    Southampton F.C. are now sponsored by Virgin Media. This will help raise brand awareness. They might be on the look out for a Club here in Ireland to sponsor as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭ei9go


    Don't really care what they do with their three channels.

    The picture quality is so bad.

    Never watch any of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Very much a soft interview for Pat Keily

    TV3 will produce 12 episodes of Googlebox (What will they watch on Irish TV?)
    No real information really on what they will do with UTV Ireland as it still has to get approval
    TV3 will bid for GAA rights (prob the most surprising)
    Red Rock is getting a new schedule
    More HD studios meaning better use for Mulit Channel proposition (though really that they can go from Xpose to TSOCS live)
    I am assuming new set for news but nothing said of that.
    And more Current Affairs (because that's what we need).
    Oh and he thinks its good that Irish broadcasters have a 45% share of the audience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Elmo wrote: »
    Very much a soft interview for Pat Keily

    TV3 will produce 12 episodes of Googlebox (What will they watch on Irish TV?)
    No real information really on what they will do with UTV Ireland as it still has to get approval
    TV3 will bid for GAA rights (prob the most surprising)
    Red Rock is getting a new schedule
    More HD studios meaning better use for Mulit Channel proposition (though really that they can go from Xpose to TSOCS live)
    I am assuming new set for news but nothing said of that.
    And more Current Affairs (because that's what we need).
    Oh and he thinks its good that Irish broadcasters have a 45% share of the audience.

    Cheers Elmo. Was this is a paper over the weekend?

    Interesting about the Red Rock bit. It does face tough competition at times especially when operation transformation is on. If Corrie comes back to TV3 then definitely place it at 8pm Monday and Friday.

    I'd say Pat Kenny will be their big announcement for their Autumn Schedule in terms of current affairs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭political analyst


    iseegirls wrote: »

    Interesting about the Red Rock bit. It does face tough competition at times especially when operation transformation is on. If Corrie comes back to TV3 then definitely place it at 8pm Monday and Friday.
    There's a problem with that - it would clash with EastEnders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    There's a problem with that - it would clash with EastEnders.

    Yes and some soap opera fans would be disappointed how but UTV Ireland and TV3 have out done EastEnders and EastEnders real doesn't have as great a following in the Irish market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    iseegirls wrote: »
    Cheers Elmo. Was this is a paper over the weekend

    Sunday business post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Dodge wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/tv3-and-utv-ireland-together-at-last-under-wing-of-virgin-media-1.2726030

    Article in the Irish Times speculating on the future of UTV Ireland. Talks about soaps returning to TV3 and that channel becoming the "flagship" channel of the group with UTV Ireland possibly the 3rd choice channel (based on EPG numbers)

    You'd think that TV3 never had competition not accessible from RoI on any of their ITV shows. You'd think that TV3 had lost all of the ITV weekend shows. another pointless article.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Well TV3 are back to pushing stories. Alan Hughes wants a new show, he's wanted a new show for a long time. He does know he's not a good presenter, right? anyway I think TV3 could get rid of some of their presenters they are all very standard at this stage.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Elmo wrote: »
    More HD studios meaning better use for Mulit Channel proposition (though really that they can go from Xpose to TSOCS live)
    Only of use for people with pay-TV

    Not so use for those of us who have only paid for Saorview / Saorsat hardware and pay for TV licences. We'll just watch the many of the same programs in HD on UK Satellite, so less Ad revenue for the Irish channels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Only of use for people with pay-TV

    Not so use for those of us who have only paid for Saorview / Saorsat hardware and pay for TV licences. We'll just watch the many of the same programs in HD on UK Satellite, so less Ad revenue for the Irish channels.

    still the multi-channel proposition idea suggested doesn't really help multichanels when you only use one for such live shows. They may as well have one studio.


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