Another smash on the hartstown road

thomasj

Another smash this time outside the secondary school in hartstown. Car was wrapped around the tree and the driver is in a bad way.

Road is currently closed off and emergency services are in attendance.

SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE URGENTLY.

Where's our local reps? Here's hoping it's not another ribbon around a tree on that road and that the driver will come out okay.

Pat Dunne

Is this at Harristown or Hartstowns?

thomasj

Pat Dunne wrote:

Is this at Harristown or Hartstowns?

Sorry stupid autocorrect on android. It's outside hartstown secondary school.

Larbre34

I hope those involved arent seriously hurt, but what would you like to be done about it?

Its a local main road like thousands of others that needs to be relatively free of traffic calming to allow for buses and emergency vehicles. The risk factor here is drivers

Zemuppet

Larbre34 wrote: »

I hope those involved arent seriously hurt, but what would you like to be done about it?

Its a local main road like thousands of others that needs to be relatively free of traffic calming to allow for buses and emergency vehicles. The risk factor here is drivers

I agree, the roundabout and traffic lights at the school and Topaz do help reduce the risk of accidents during the day. so I don't know what else could be done to improve things.

Gavin "shels"

Road still closed as of an hour ago which is not a good sign.

There was a good speed camera presence after the last incident but that seems to have gone. First solution is ramps, ideally the big ones they have at junctions so not to affect buses too much.

Atlantic Dawn

A car doesn't wrap around a tree on a dry summers day unless someone was driving like an absolute tool.

Zaph

It's likely that someone was very seriously injured or worse this evening, and it's also possible that some of their friends or family could read this thread. So with that in mind, a little sensitivity and less name-calling would be appreciated. Thanks.

Gavin "shels"

Myself, my gf and her younger bro (6) were walking back from Centra Huntstown Road, and there was two cars essentially chasing after each other. Bear in mind this was 8.15pm on a Sunday evening with dozens of groups of kids and that floating around. Absolutely madness.

Tasden

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Myself, my gf and her younger bro (6) were walking back from Centra Huntstown Road, and there was two cars essentially chasing after each other. Bear in mind this was 8.15pm on a Sunday evening with dozens of groups of kids and that floating around. Absolutely madness.

Couple weeks back there was a car speeding around at about 4pm on one of the real sunny days where there were tonnes of kids out on the grass. Police chased the car up on the grass where the kids were playing. Teenagers pulled out of it and taken away in police car. It's ridiculous the amount of cars that going bombing it down that hartstown road.

thomasj

Just spotted a speed camera, with a display that shows the speed on the hartstown road this morning .

Good to see something being done.

Dartz

For ****'s sake don't put ramps on the road. Most of the roads I have to drive on to work have them and they've wankered the suspension on my car.

ThisRegard

Dartz wrote: »

For ****'s sake don't put ramps on the road. Most of the roads I have to drive on to work have them and they've wankered the suspension on my car.

I've driven Blackhorse Avenue daily for years, there's speed ramps into my estate. Never had issues with suspension on any car I've owned during that period.

January

thomasj wrote: »

Just spotted a speed camera, with a display that shows the speed on the hartstown road this morning .

Good to see something being done.

It's not actually a speed camera though, just a reminder not to go too fast.

handlemaster

At least only the driver injured. I wonder what speed was involved in this one ?

Gavin "shels"

thomasj wrote: »

Just spotted a speed camera, with a display that shows the speed on the hartstown road this morning .

Good to see something being done.

As pointed out, not a speed camera. There's at least two on the Hartstown Road. I'd say speed cameras will follow.

January

Reports this evening of a young person knocked down beside the Topaz garage on the Hartstown Road. Hopefully nothing serious.

Oops69

this is an exceptionally dangerous road, will it take a fatality for fingal co. council to do something , it did take just that onthe diswellstown road ,and the same applies to porterstown road beside the park/ St Mochtas's church.

Larbre34

Exactly what do folk expect to be done to slow the traffic down? There is no such thing as fixed speed cameras in Ireland, these incidents are about personal responsibility for ones driving.

Someone mentioned Diswellstown Road. Like Hartstown Road its a bus route and a main road that would be used by ambulances to access the local estates, and the minor measures that were put on the road have not changed the ability to drive a car at excessive speed down it, if someone was of a mind to.

daymobrew

Oops69 wrote: »

and the same applies to porterstown road beside the park/ St Mochtas's church.

I am shocked that the road beside Porterstown Park/St Mochta's Church has a 60km/h limit. It is narrow and has a lot of pedestrians and a number of car park entrances. And that is before the lazy people start parking on the already narrow footpaths, completely blocking them.

ION08

daymobrew wrote: »

I am shocked that the road beside Porterstown Park/St Mochta's Church has a 60km/h limit. It is narrow and has a lot of pedestrians and a number of car park entrances. And that is before the lazy people start parking on the already narrow footpaths, completely blocking them.

60 kph is 37 mph , not by any means "Fast".

What speed limit would you suggest on the Porterstown road?

Besides, the limit is the "limit", it doesn't mean you have to drive at that speed you can always drive slower if you feel conditions dont allow for 60.

Also, if somebody was inclined to drive fast on that road (lets say 80kph) they would do so regardless of the official speed limit being 60kph or 40kph

I doubt any of the accidents mentioned in this thread occurred from people obeying the official speed limit on the respective roads :rolleyes:

daymobrew

ION08 wrote: »

60 kph is 37 mph , not by any means "Fast".

What speed limit would you suggest on the Porterstown road?

Around the church and park I would suggest 50km/h or even lower.

Feel free to stand in front of a car doing only 37 mph: you have a 10% chance of surviving.

sparky63

A regular police presence is what's needed not speed cameras or ramps whereby speeders can slow down at a particular spot and then race off again once they're clear. People need to be complaining to the guards and local politicians in large numbers to have any chance of getting something done.

beauf

daymobrew wrote: »

I am shocked that the road beside Porterstown Park/St Mochta's Church has a 60km/h limit. It is narrow and has a lot of pedestrians and a number of car park entrances. And that is before the lazy people start parking on the already narrow footpaths, completely blocking them.

That's what happens if you have don't build enough parking. They are extending the parking available there.

There is an good argument to reduce the speed on that section. It is very busy with pedestrian traffic.

The problem is it's used as a rat run. Which has only got worse since they opened the dr troy bridge. Locals predicted this would happen.

beauf

ThisRegard wrote: »

I've driven Blackhorse Avenue daily for years, there's speed ramps into my estate. Never had issues with suspension on any car I've owned during that period.

Some cars are more prone to it than others. Ramps do cause that in general even though they didn't to your car yet.

Yet what alternative is there if camera s arent installed and there is almost zero enforcement of speeding.

Hate ramps but I can't see what else would work if people won't cop on.

You have other threads on boards with people vigorously defending speeding and aggressive driving in general.

fourinarow

Another accident this evening, sounds serious, unable to post links, it's on the Gardai twitter account..

thomasj

Road is closed off again just after the roundabout. Seems to be a collision involving motorbike(s)

Gavin "shels"

thomasj wrote: »

Road is closed off again just after the roundabout. Seems to be a collision involving motorbike(s)

Supposedly not good news either, a chap in his early 20s.

Happened just before 7, I was heading up that road and the Garda cars flew by me.

January

Lad has died from this.

Oops69

god rest him

thomasj

Ah that's terrible, RIP to the lad, feel for his family. That road is becoming a deathtrap!

Gavin "shels"

Today is the 4th Anniversary of the crash that killed two on that road too!

My girlfriend was in school with the chap who died this evening and bumped into him occassionally. May he RIP.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/man-in-his-early-20s-dies-after-two-motorbikes-collide-in-dublin-35153373.html

Bret Hart

RIP.

Atlantic Dawn

RIP to the person who died.

Has there been any coroners reports in to the other deaths as to what they were caused by?

Omackeral

A lot of people on social media calling the road a disgrace. I know they're upset and grieving but I don't really get that point? What exactly is the issue with the road? There's one of those flashing speed signs that tells you your current KPH and warns you if you're going over the limit. Plus there's a ridiculous amount of traffic lights on the loop road too. This horrible event possibly had nothing to do with speeding, I don't know, but has anyone got any gripes with the road itself? Only problem I've ever had is up at the St Ciaran's church with pedestrians crossing in front of/behind buses pulling out from the bus stop. Anyone else?

RIP young man

[CrimsonGhost]

Omackeral wrote: »

A lot of people on social media calling the road a disgrace. I know they're upset and grieving but I don't really get that point? What exactly is the issue with the road?

The road is fine, the problem is idiots tearing around it at ridiculous speeds. For the most part there is pretty decent visibility around it too, so if you're within the speed limit you should have plenty of time to deal with the unexpected, unless that unexpected is hooring along as seems to be the case far too often.

nikpmup

[CrimsonGhost] wrote: »

The road is fine, the problem is idiots tearing around it at ridiculous speeds. For the most part there is pretty decent visibility around it too, so if you're within the speed limit you should have plenty of time to deal with the unexpected, unless that unexpected is hooring along as seems to be the case far too often.

^^^ this. I live near the topaz, and I find that after the topaz, where people have had to slow down for the turn into the estate, the pedestrian lights, cars turning into or coming out of the garage....more often than not, once drivers are past all of this, they put the boot down and tear off towards that roundabout. I saw several bikers driving around my estate yesterday evening, I wonder were they the ones involved in the accident? RIP to the young man.

Omackeral

There's a petition on Facebook now with nearly 2 thousand of likes called ''Ramps for Hartsown Road'' and is just full of people calling the road a disgrace. I honestly don't get how it's a disgrace. People need to slow down and that's all there is to it. The flashing 'Your Speed' sign has been a very welcome addition I think, they're good devices. I'd sometimes be going a couple of KPH over and the flashing red does make me take notice. Then when it's green it feels nice, for want of a better word.

DvB

Omackeral wrote: »

There's a petition on Facebook now with nearly 2 thousand of likes called ''Ramps for Hartsown Road'' and is just full of people calling the road a disgrace. I honestly don't get how it's a disgrace. People need to slow down and that's all there is to it. The flashing 'Your Speed' sign has been a very welcome addition I think, they're good devices. I'd sometimes be going a couple of KPH over and the flashing red does make me take notice. Then when it's green it feels nice, for want of a better word.

Agree.
The new ones up at Manorfields have definitely made me take notice that I'd normally drive that road about 5/6 km over the limit, since the flashing speed signs went in I've made a conscious effort to keep my speed down to below the limit. The habit has already formed and I've copped that I do it without even thinking anymore.

eviltwin

What is it about that road in particular? I'm not overly familiar with it but I have driven on it myself quite a few times and don't recall it being the kind of road where you'd feel more likely to have an accident. I've never heard of as many accidents on any other stretch of road in Blanch and there are some really dire roads around the place here.

Its so tragic to hear of yet another death, two kids died over the weekend as a result of traffic accidents too...rest in peace to all of them.

Tasden

DvB wrote: »

Agree.
The new ones up at Manorfields have definitely made me take notice that I'd normally drive that road about 5/6 km over the limit, since the flashing speed signs went in I've made a conscious effort to keep my speed down to below the limit. The habit has already formed and I've copped that I do it without even thinking anymore.

Thing is the people who go bombing it down the road know they are speeding and know they are above the limit and in some cases I reckon the flashing red of their speed is an accomplishment of sorts, cause let's face it it's not the responsible drivers who are speeding excessively.
Unfortunately there are accidents occurring and it's not always due to speed, but those speed readers aren't doing anything about the people who deliberately speed down the road, those going a couple kph over will indeed slow down but they're not generally the ones people are worried about.
I don't know if ramps are a solution though.

Edit: that's not to specifically lay blame on the people involved in accidents, just speeding on that road generally.

beauf

eviltwin wrote: »

What is it about that road in particular? ...

Its probably not that road in particular.

skipper_G

Omackeral wrote: »

There's a petition on Facebook now with nearly 2 thousand of likes called ''Ramps for Hartsown Road'' and is just full of people calling the road a disgrace. I honestly don't get how it's a disgrace. People need to slow down and that's all there is to it. The flashing 'Your Speed' sign has been a very welcome addition I think, they're good devices. I'd sometimes be going a couple of KPH over and the flashing red does make me take notice. Then when it's green it feels nice, for want of a better word.

The road is perfectly fine, there are 2 problems with it.
1. driver behaviour & 2. lack of enforcement

dodzy

They'll end up with those 'soft' ramps that do virtually nothing to curb speed, in effect they cause drivers of smaller cars to veer L/R in efforts to avoid them. I honestly cannot see the regular ramps going in with the bus traffic.

beauf

Why not put a speed camera on it.

skipper_G

beauf wrote: »

Why not put a speed camera on it.

Speed isn't the only problem though, cameras won't stop the issues. A simple approach is make the enforcement visible for a period of time. It's impractical to keep a traffic car on patrol on one road eternally but at least do it for long enough to force a few positive changes in the behaviour of the road users.

beauf

Speed cameras have been shown to work in many studies in reducing accidents.

Far from perfect. But what confidence do you have any any other measures.

ejabrod

Not wanting to detract from the tragedy, however I live in Rusheeny Village and the the lad was a part of a group that used Rusheeny Avenue & Green as their personal 'test track'. The road around the green area where parents and kids would be walking in the (good) evenings, kids of all ages playing on the green and animals (cats/dogs) walking around. They have no respect for anyone tbh.
There must have been an element of speed involved simple as that.
As said, its not the road, its the people who use it.

Gavin "shels"

dodzy wrote: »

They'll end up with those 'soft' ramps that do virtually nothing to curb speed, in effect they cause drivers of smaller cars to veer L/R in efforts to avoid them. I honestly cannot see the regular ramps going in with the bus traffic.

If they put the strong metal type one's that are on Blakestown Rd it may help.

January

From Paul Donnelly's (SF) facebook page.

Firstly, thoughts and prayers today for Stephens family and friends. One can only imagine the pain and grief they must be going through.
I'll be presenting an emergency motion this afternoon to ensure we have a plan for the Hartstown/ Huntstown road.
There's been another two accidents this week with a car crashing and demolishing this pole and a man was knocked down at the garage last evening.
I have been in discussion with both the Gardaí and Fingal county council in relation to developing a plan.
I'm pleased that plans are very advanced for the installation of the speed cushions with detailed plans already being put out to tender.
I'll continue to push for the other items on my emergency motion.

Even more incidents, what the hell is going on on that road. I know it's speeding but honestly, at this point, I think they should just close off the road at the roundabout where the school is (even put a bus gate in so only buses can get through) and make it so that cars can't get all the way around, so they won't have the chance to speed all the way around the roads.

ciaran76

Jogged by there Tuesday night at about 9pm, a green Micra came skidding out of Rusheeny. Lads looked young enough and control of the car wasnt great.

Thought to myself jesus will they ever learn.

Before anyone asks I had no phone and by the time I got home I am sure they were well gone.