Man in critical condition after being shot by garda

The man was shot in the face by a Garda member during a planned Garda operation.
While details are only emerging it is understood the gun may have been discharged accidentally.

The incident occurred near Foynes at around 2.30am this morning.
It is believed the man - aged in his 30s - who was injured is from Eastern Europe.

The man was rushed to hospital after the emergency services were called immediately.
It is understood there were a number of gardai in the area at the time.

Source: Irish Independent

Insane that the gun might have gone off accidentally.

smash

I think it might have gone down like this:

Hey Chief, can I hold my gun sideways? It looks so cool!

Sure, anything you want, birthday boy!

Bang!

Shít...

Beta Ray Bill

smash wrote: »

I think it might have gone down like this:

Hey Chief, can I hold my gun sideways? It looks so cool!

Sure, anything you want, birthday boy!

Bang!

Shít...

Dave0301

Fair play lads, question the Guard's role instead of thinking...

"Wait, how many times do the Gardaí actually pack heat...maybe there was a good fecking reason for this."

arybvtcw0eolkf

Deleted User wrote: »

Insane that the gun might have gone off accidentally.

Obviously it should never happen, but a negative discharge happens ~ esp in the heat of battle and I can only guess there was an immediate threat to life if the weapon was charged.

That said, its the fecking Indo. God only knows what really happened, and tbh if the guy was scum then I just hope the Guards head isn't being put into a noose.

seamus

As said, if the Garda entered the property with the weapon ready, there was a reasonable threat to be concerned about. This isn't the US, where they point guns at children.

That said, he may also have tripped and the gun went off. But either way he wasn't armed for the craic.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Yeah if they were sending in armed guards the chap was probably very bad news. Sure they send lads on bicycles to the regency.

xabi

And some people want to arm all Garda

Oh I'm not saying anything about whether or not they should have been armed, but that he was critically injured because it discharged accidentally. We don't know whether it was in the midst of a firefight or what, but it certainly means a lot of hard questions should be asked.

maudgonner

seamus wrote: »

As said, if the Garda entered the property with the weapon ready, there was a reasonable threat to be concerned about. This isn't the US, where they point guns at children.

That said, he may also have tripped and the gun went off. But either way he wasn't armed for the craic.

Entered what property? It was a car that they pursued & stopped.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-shoots-man-in-face-in-limerick-742314.html

seamus

Ah, well then at least that's less likely to have been a mistaken identity issue.

Same thing applies though. RSU don't get involved in tracking and stopping vehicles for being uninsured. It's unlikely that it was just some Joe Bloggs who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

gordongekko

maudgonner wrote: »

Entered what property? It was a car that they pursued & stopped.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-shoots-man-in-face-in-limerick-742314.html

Maybe the car crashed through the wall of a property 😃

HensVassal

Lea Harsh Cork wrote: »

Obviously it should never happen, but a negative discharge happens ~ esp in the heat of battle and I can only guess there was an immediate threat to life if the weapon was charged.

That said, its the fecking Indo. God only knows what really happened, and tbh if the guy was scum then I just hope the Guards head isn't being put into a noose.

"Battle"?

When are gardai "in the heat of battle"?

RobbingBandit

Who guards the gardai.

.. it doesn't mean they should be shot in the face, though.

muddypaws

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh I'm not saying anything about whether or not they should have been armed, but that he was critically injured because it discharged accidentally. We don't know whether it was in the midst of a firefight or what, but it certainly means a lot of hard questions should be asked.

We don't know that it was discharged accidentally.

Icaras

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Who guards the gardai.

Ah c'mon you know the answer to this - its the coastguard.

muddypaws

muddypaws wrote: »

We don't know that it was discharged accidentally.

Two separate articles have said that it appears the gun was discharged accidentally. Probably more too. It'll likely be on this evening's news too. We'll find out more then, I guess.

drunkmonkey

Was the guy shot in the face armed?

Outlaw Pete

They should have just called The Wolf.

corner of hells

Icaras wrote: »

Ah c'mon you know the answer to this - its the coastguard.

No its not , the gardeners guard the Gardai.

Badly Drunk Boy

Deleted User wrote: »

Two separate articles have said that it appears the gun was discharged accidentally. Probably more too. It'll likely be on this evening's news too. We'll find out more then, I guess.

In the three reports I saw, it said it may have been discharged accidentally. I haven't checked Google Translate yet. :pac:

osarusan

The guy's status has been updated to 'stable' according to RTE.

Badly Drunk Boy

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

In the three reports I saw, it said it may have been discharged accidentally. I haven't checked Google Translate yet. :pac:

I was going to come up with a witty reply, but instead here's this.

YFlyer

It must be an accident. Aren't they trained to shoot at the torso area?

degsie

YFlyer wrote: »

It must be an accident. Aren't they trained to shoot at the torso area?

Or is it the talla area?

Little CuChulainn

YFlyer wrote: »

It must be an accident. Aren't they trained to shoot at the torso area?

Hard to do if the person is in a car.

smash

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Hard to do if the person is in a car.

Yea. Look at what happened to Marvin.

suicide_circus

Right in the face BAM!

TonyCliftonEsq

Well he was hardly being pursued by the Armed Gardai because he was out collecting money for charity.












Then again...

SnakePlissken

I was stopped at a checkpoint only last week by armed gardai, let's not all assume the guy who was shot was Tony Soprano, he well could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

_Tombstone_

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I was stopped at a checkpoint only last week by armed gardai,

Same. Seems to be getting more common?

Another thread around here mention it aswell.

seamus

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I was stopped at a checkpoint only last week by armed gardai, let's not all assume the guy who was shot was Tony Soprano, he well could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

He was stopped after being tracked and targetted to be fair, rather than stopped at a random checkpoint.

Armed checkpoints are usually operating on some prior intelligence about movements of drugs, weapons or gang members.

ScumLord

What kind of guns do the gardi use? Some of those little machine guns that I've seen in older pictures are pretty much ready to go once you put in a second magazine, it stays cocked from the previous magazine. If they were at training before hand it may have been left cocked. I don't know do some of those have to be cocked to even get the magazine in? They always struck me as ****ty cheap guns, not really suitable for a police force.

whisky_galore

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Was the guy shot in the face armed?

Yes, he had two arms.

Turtyturd

Icaras wrote: »

Ah c'mon you know the answer to this - its the coastguard.

But who coasts the coastguard?

Parachutes

They shouldn't be armed at all. Over the last few years I've seen a massive increase in the number of armed Gardai and Armed response units. It's going down a slippery slope.

They weren't armed in the first place for a reason.

Parachutes

Parachutes wrote: »

They shouldn't be armed at all. Over the last few years I've seen a massive increase in the number of armed Gardai and Armed response units. It's going down a slippery slope.

They weren't armed in the first place for a reason.

In fairness, the Gardaí didn't have to face against the current drug crisis that we face nowadays when they were first created. A lot has changed with them, so the Gardaí need to change too. Now the criminals have access to guns. I don't believe in a fully armed force, like with America, but instead with specially trained teams to tackle the armed criminals.

ScumLord

Parachutes wrote: »

They shouldn't be armed at all. Over the last few years I've seen a massive increase in the number of armed Gardai and Armed response units. It's going down a slippery slope.

They weren't armed in the first place for a reason.

They are not armed. There is a branch of the gardi that is armed to deal with emergency situations. I think that's just common sense. Even if we didn't have armed criminal gangs and a handful of retired terrorist groups on the island it would still be prudent to have an emergency response unit just in case.

ohnonotgmail

ScumLord wrote: »

What kind of guns do the gardi use? Some of those little machine guns that I've seen in older pictures are pretty much ready to go once you put in a second magazine, it stays cocked from the previous magazine. If they were at training before hand it may have been left cocked. I don't know do some of those have to be cocked to even get the magazine in? They always struck me as ****ty cheap guns, not really suitable for a police force.

the UZIs are gone. Its the MP7 now.

HensVassal

Icaras wrote: »

Ah c'mon you know the answer to this - its the coastguard.

Who in turn are watched over by the mudguards.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the UZIs are gone. Its the MP7 now.

Mp7

H&K 416s as well.


Wonder if there's more to this than we know rather than believed accidental discharge

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

Mp7

H&K 416s as well

?? thats what i said?

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

?? thats what i said?

Yes and I added H&K 416 rifles and remington shotgun too .
Sig pistols

whisky_galore

Deleted User wrote: »

In fairness, the Gardaí didn't have to face against the current drug crisis that we face nowadays when they were first created. A lot has changed with them, so the Gardaí need to change too. Now the criminals have access to guns. I don't believe in a fully armed force, like with America, but instead with specially trained teams to tackle the armed criminals.

Uh, Gardai had to deal with armed IRA (and their fellow travellers) for a long time.

Ted111

Shot in the face by a Guard?
Could it be that this is all some sort of innuendo?

Potential-Monke

whisky_galore wrote: »

Uh, Gardai had to deal with armed IRA (and their fellow travellers) for a long time.

Yes, and that's why detectives were armed with a Smith & Wesson. Now, due to the increase in gun crime and the potential for armed situations, you have armed detectives (sig or Smith & Wesson), the RSU (Regional Support Unit), and the ARU (Armed Support Unit - mostly in Dublin), both of which pack Sigs, MP7's, Remmington shotguns for riot control and gas, riot pepper spray (a fire extinguisher with pepper spray, basically) and tazers.

arybvtcw0eolkf

ScumLord wrote: »

What kind of guns do the gardi use? Some of those little machine guns that I've seen in older pictures are pretty much ready to go once you put in a second magazine, it stays cocked from the previous magazine. If they were at training before hand it may have been left cocked. I don't know do some of those have to be cocked to even get the magazine in? They always struck me as ****ty cheap guns, not really suitable for a police force.

If the weapon runs out of ammo on the first mag the action (bolt mechanism) stays to the rear until you load a second mag ~ then the firer releases the action and feeds another round into the chamber, then you squeeze the trigger to discharge it.

If you don't load a second mag the action still stays to the rear, you drop the first mag out (after you check the mag and chamber are free of rounds), let the action go forward, squeeze and declare your gun free ~ then its inspected by the range manager before leaving the range.

Next time you take it out of stores you carry out safety precautions on the weapon, this happens again before you get mounted (armed) properly.

A negative discharge should really only happen at the firing point (ranges).

I hope I got all that correct, if not some airsofter will show me up

Like I said I'd have to wonder why the weapon was charged and pointing at someone.

Fattes

Parachutes wrote: »

They shouldn't be armed at all. Over the last few years I've seen a massive increase in the number of armed Gardai and Armed response units. It's going down a slippery slope.

They weren't armed in the first place for a reason.

I am sure if they had of turned up at the Regency, or at armed bank raids,etc and shouted, "Stop in the name of the law" everything would be ok.:rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

Lea Harsh Cork wrote: »

If the weapon runs out of ammo on the first mag the action (bolt mechanism) stays to the rear until you load a second mag ~ then the firer releases the action and feeds another round into the chamber, then you squeeze the trigger to discharge it.

If you don't load a second mag the action still stays to the rear, you drop the first mag out (after you check the mag and chamber are free of rounds), let the action go forward, squeeze and declare your gun free ~ then its inspected by the range manager before leaving the range.

Next time you take it out of stores you carry out safety precautions on the weapon, this happens again before you get mounted (armed) properly.

A negative discharge should really only happen at the firing point (ranges).

I hope I got all that correct, if not some airsofter will show me up

Like I said I'd have to wonder why the weapon was charged and pointing at someone.

or why his finger was on the trigger.

out of curiosity why do you say "negative discharge" and not "negligent discharge" ?

Dyr

On purely anecdotal evidence from people who know I wouldn't have huge faith in the gardai when it comes to firearms training