Resigning from work?

muffler

Im not even sure if this is the right forum for this query so it if its not suitable it can be closed/deleted/moved.

I'll keep the query simple. If someone walks out of their place of employment and tells the boss "Im finished here" is that acceptable as notice of ceasing employment? Or to put it another way is verbal notice of quitting your job acceptable or does it have to be in writing?

Cheers

livedadream

without more info its hard to give advice to be honest...
are you on a fixed term/perm/project contract?
how long have you worked there.. could you still be on probation etc etc
it is formal employment?

however: If you stop showing up yes.

If the company are smart they will send you out a letter confirming your verbal resignation and saying that all monies owed etc will be issued.

if you show up the next day its a different story...

but im guessing most employers wont make you come back in to work out notice if youre that dramatic...

'im finished here' mike drop im outta here type situations never really happen when someones happy out in the workplace.

most placed require written notice as a formality but it depends on the job...

xabi

I say that when I leave every evening, finished for the day.

Keane2baMused

Generally you have to give written confirmation of your resignation.

You might want to dramatically place the letter on the desk as you are saying "im outta here".

Speedwell

It really depends on the job, the contract, and the circumstances.

Even in the US, I walked off a retail job dramatically more than 20 years ago, when the manager on duty sent her husband, a non-employee, out to berate me loudly and publicly for something that I was doing according to official and long-standing shop policy, but the manager wanted me to do in a non-standard, against-policy way. I threw down my name tag and announced in front of a line of waiting customers that she could take over the register because I wasn't allowing her to send a non-employee out to shout at me for NOT breaking the rules.

I expected to never hear from them again and didn't even expect them to send me my last paycheck, but a few days later I got a call from the district manager to meet him at the shop to talk about what happened. Figuring I had nothing to lose, I went and had a very good talk with him. It turned out one of the customers in the shop that day, who knew me and my work style, had called him to report the incident and to stand up for me. Since my account matched what the customer said and the manager's report didn't, the manager got fired and I was told I was welcome to come back to work.

livedadream

i once resigned from a job temping in OZ by just stopping showing up, i emailed the manager two days later saying i wasn't coming back after my mom gave me an earful over the phone.

it was selfish and stupid and being on the other side now i get why he was so pissed..

i was young and backpacking and thought what have i got to loose...

muffler

Thanks for the replies guys, even xabi with that bit of wit

I'll put a wee bit of context to this as best as I know it. The situation is actually about a mate's wife. She has been working for the same employer for 17 years but lately (in the last couple of months?) a bit of friction started to build up and she was called to a meeting with a supervisor and manager and was given an official warning over something that had happened. Her work duties were then changed completely and she felt isolated and even intimidated.

Somewhere in the last couple of weeks there was a verbal exchange about her new work practices and she told her supervisor and her boss that she was leaving and walked out. She also requested her P45 at some point or other but didnt get it.

A few days later she received a letter from her work asking outlining how she had let her work colleagues down by walking out leaving without permission may have been the way it was put. She was invited to attend a meeting a few days later to discuss matters but she replied in writing that she wouldnt attend the meeting as she was no longer an employee as she had given verbal notice of quitting to 2 people in management and in the same letter requested her P45 again.

She has been to the dole office to sign on and they told her that they cant do much without the P45. Today she received another letter from the company more or less telling her that she was still an employee and that her job was still available to her. She has no intention of returning however.

Thats about as much as I know about it.

Speedwell

It sounds like she needs to go back to the office and have an adult, indoor-voice meeting with the people who sent her the letter, explaining her side and how she felt about the warning and change in job duties. I sense something might have gone wrong with the supervisor and/or manager and someone else stepped in. If she liked her job and the company before the recent weird crap going down, then, to put it crudely, some sh!t might have rolled downhill and got dumped in her lap. After 17 years of good work, I doubt all of the problem had to do with her. If she's really honestly adamant about leaving, then yes, she should put it in writing--cordially but firmly--and hand-deliver it to them to make sure they get it.

livedadream

muffler wrote: »

Thanks for the replies guys, even xabi with that bit of wit

I'll put a wee bit of context to this as best as I know it. The situation is actually about a mate's wife. She has been working for the same employer for 17 years but lately (in the last couple of months?) a bit of friction started to build up and she was called to a meeting with a supervisor and manager and was given an official warning over something that had happened. Her work duties were then changed completely and she felt isolated and even intimidated.

Somewhere in the last couple of weeks there was a verbal exchange about her new work practices and she told her supervisor and her boss that she was leaving and walked out. She also requested her P45 at some point or other but didnt get it.

A few days later she received a letter from her work asking outlining how she had let her work colleagues down by walking out leaving without permission may have been the way it was put. She was invited to attend a meeting a few days later to discuss matters but she replied in writing that she wouldnt attend the meeting as she was no longer an employee as she had given verbal notice of quitting to 2 people in management and in the same letter requested her P45 again.

She has been to the dole office to sign on and they told her that they cant do much without the P45. Today she received another letter from the company more or less telling her that she was still an employee and that her job was still available to her. She has no intention of returning however.

Thats about as much as I know about it.

okay that makes more sense.

tell her to send a letter saying she resigned in person to whoever on whatever date.
and to forward any monies owed.
say she would like confirmation that her P45 will be issued.

go to the dole and produce a copy of the letter.
she might have to wait (i think its 8 or 9 weeks) for payment as she quit and wasnt fired.

their protecting themselves from a constructive/unfair dismissal case and doing it pretty damn well...

giving her ever option to air her grievance, giving her time to cool off, saying the job is still open to her etc etc

they may have messed up by changing her duties etc but shes not doing herself any favours.

muffler

livedadream wrote: »

tell her to send a letter saying she resigned in person to whoever on whatever date.
and to forward any monies owed.
say she would like confirmation that her P45 will be issued.

Yeah, that was all done in the letter she sent when advising that she wouldnt be attending the requested meeting. There was mention in that letter that she had told both "Paddy" and "Mary" verbally that she was leaving. She may have missed the opportunity of actually putting it specifically in writing at that point though.

livedadream wrote: »

.go to the dole and produce a copy of the letter.
she might have to wait (i think its 8 or 9 weeks) for payment as she quit and wasnt fired.

Good advice about showing the dole people a copy of the letter.

livedadream wrote: »

their protecting themselves from a constructive/unfair dismissal case and doing it pretty damn well...

giving her ever option to air her grievance, giving her time to cool off, saying the job is still open to her etc etc

they may have messed up by changing her duties etc but shes not doing herself any favours.

Thats my reading of the situation also.

Just to note that she never had a contract as far as I know and while she did mention "perceived intimidation & bullying" in her letter to the company (I know because I typed it for her) she's not interested in following up on that. All she wants is her P45 as I understand it.

livedadream

muffler wrote: »

Yeah, that was all done in the letter she sent when advising that she wouldnt be attending the requested meeting. There was mention in that letter that she had told both "Paddy" and "Mary" verbally that she was leaving. She may have missed the opportunity of actually putting it specifically in writing at that point though.

Good advice about showing the dole people a copy of the letter.

Thats my reading of the situation also.

Just to note that she never had a contract as far as I know and while she did mention "perceived intimidation & bullying" in her letter to the company (I know because I typed it for her) she's not interested in following up on that. All she wants is her P45 as I understand it.

Get her to ring the revenue in regards to the P45,
get her to tell them her employer are delaying and can they post it out to her.

the contract thing isnt the end of the world, alot of people who have been in employment with the same company for decades dont, its wrong but not the end of the world.

no harm in sending another letter, along the lines of:

dear Paddy,
as verbally advised to you on date i have resigned from my position with company with effect immediately.

further to your request for a meeting which I responded to in writing confirming my resignation and absence I wish to advise my position became untenable.

I wish to advise I have formally resigned from position, company and due to the circumstances will not be working my notice.

please forward on any outstanding monies owed, overtime, holidays etc and my P45.

Failure to do so will result in a NERA complaint to resolve the delay.

Kind Regards

shove your job up your hole... :eek:

28064212

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/starting_work_and_changing_job/changing_job/giving_notice.html

If you are changing your job, you are required by law to give your present employer notice of your decision to leave

If you do not have a provision in your contract of employment dealing with notice, the statutory minimum notice of one week will apply and this is the notice that you should give your employer of your intention to leave

Notice periods work both ways, and both sides have responsibilities

Mrs OBumble

Is this person somewhere near retirement age? 'Cos she's going to have a problem finding another job when she cannot use the last 17 years as a reference.

So far she has resisted workplace change, chose not to use the company grievance procedure when a problem arose, gone AWOL during the work day and resigned without giving notice.

If a potential employer gets wind of any of that, they won't touch her with a barge-pole.

If she doesn't need the money or the PRSI credits, then fine.

But otherwise she may be shooting herself in the foot.

muffler

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Is this person somewhere near retirement age? 'Cos she's going to have a problem finding another job when she cannot use the last 17 years as a reference.

So far she has resisted workplace change, chose not to use the company grievance procedure when a problem arose, gone AWOL during the work day and resigned without giving notice.

If a potential employer gets wind of any of that, they won't touch her with a barge-pole.

If she doesn't need the money or the PRSI credits, then fine.

But otherwise she may be shooting herself in the foot.

All good and valid points. Im sure she would have thought this through....maybe not at the time of quitting but certainly afterwards.

She would have a few years to go yet before pension age but the type of work she was engaged in is something that she could easily do herself at home (for the public) or in a small rented premises if necessary thus ensuring some source of income by going self employed.

My mate tells me she had or has something lined up but its obviously not in place yet. Maybe it may never happen. I just do the listening and try to avoid asking too many questions as I dont want him thinking Im poking my nose in.

But to come back to the original point the only thing she is worried about is getting her P45 and as advised above she can contact Revenue if necessary if its not forthcoming.