Best garage for fuel?

Shefwedfan

I had a discussion with someone earlier and this came up. He always goes to Texaco because they have the highest petroleum levels in there fuel.

Now I know I heard this years ago but didn't take much notice. I did get told a few times by a friend who sells cars never to buy Tesco as your average ltr/100km will be awful as there diesel/petrol is sh*t.


I am just wondering if any of this is true? the signs on Topaz to say they travel an extra XXkm per fill? any of it true?

Also is Applegreen any good? they opened a garage close to me and cheap so wondering if any good.....

coylemj

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I had a discussion with someone earlier and this came up. He always goes to Texaco because they have the highest petroleum levels in there fuel.

'Highest petroleum levels'?

Meaning that the stuff from the pumps in Applegreen/Topaz etc. contain less petrol and more...... what? Used chipper vegetable oil? Oil of Ulay?

AMGer

All petrol in Ireland is s**t but Maxol is probably less s**t than the rest. Shocking that we can't get a higher octane petrol option like the rest of Europe. But I suppose it's to be expected when the majority of this country is obsessed with the black pump

Shefwedfan

coylemj wrote: »

'Highest petroleum levels'?

Meaning that the stuff from the pumps in Applegreen/Topaz etc. contain less petrol and more...... what? Used chipper vegetable oil? Oil of Ulay?

Yes more sh*t. Not sure what they put in but more or less they are watering down the fuel so they can sell more to run your car.

Shefwedfan

AMGer wrote: »

All petrol in Ireland is s**t but Maxol is probably less s**t than the rest. Shocking that we can't get a higher octane petrol option like the rest of Europe. But I suppose it's to be expected when the majority of this country is obsessed with the black pump

That is what I heard years ago. I was always petrol but have had to move to diesel as you can only get 7 seater in diesel.

Just wondering if Maxol is the same for diesel?

Marcusm

coylemj wrote: »

'Highest petroleum levels'?

Meaning that the stuff from the pumps in Applegreen/Topaz etc. contain less petrol and more...... what? Used chipper vegetable oil? Oil of Ulay?

D'uh some of it will contain more ethanol and additives if they want to increase the RON rating. The basic fuel comes with 5% ethanol added but distributors can adjust this (is add more) for their own purposes.

ironclaw

Not terribly scientific, but I was running a contract for 6 months a while ago and had a set commute. I generally filled up on Sunday and got a tank that would do me a week. Brimed the tank each time (with only one brand at a time) and had to keep track of my mileage regardless.

Esso and Maxol oil definitely gave me more range, it wasn't astronomical amounts, but give or take 50km. It generally sat closer to 50km with dipetane in the tank as well. Thats from a sample size of 6 months which should in theory cancel out any weather, traffic or other effects.

On the performance side, a relative has a tuned S3 and when its fuelled here, as opposed to the UK/NI, it definitely suffers. We general run it with a mild dose of octane booster and then cleaner when it leaves our shores.

Esso is now owned by Topaz (aka Denis O'Brien) so all the Esso figures no longer count. Maxol is no where near me.

Having driven a lot in the US especially, in performance cars anyway, the fuel we sell here is Tesco vodka as opposed to Grey Goose.

Dartz

Follow the motorcyclists. If a lot of bikers fill up somewhere it usually has good petrol.

Think I got some contaminated petrol out of a Maxol a while back - the RX ran and started weak and sick on it until it all finally burned off - but it didn't do any lasting harm. That was nearly a year ago now. But it means the brand on the sign isn't really an indicator of quality. I've had some dirty tanks from one particular Topaz, while another down the road never fails to give good fuel.

Best fillup I usually get is from a place in Wellingtonbridge, of all things. It's usually cheap enough and seems to burn clean and happy.

Applegreen diesel is shocking, however. It's pisswater. Applegreen petrol seems to be more volatile and can be mix-and-match.

killanena

ironclaw wrote: »

Not terribly scientific, but I was running a contract for 6 months a while ago and had a set commute. I generally filled up on Sunday and got a tank that would do me a week. Brimed the tank each time (with only one brand at a time) and had to keep track of my mileage regardless.

Esso and Maxol oil definitely gave me more range, it wasn't astronomical amounts, but give or take 50km. It generally sat closer to 50km with dipetane in the tank as well. Thats from a sample size of 6 months which should in theory cancel out any weather, traffic or other effects.

On the performance side, a relative has a tuned S3 and when its fuelled here, as opposed to the UK/NI, it definitely suffers. We general run it with a mild dose of octane booster and then cleaner when it leaves our shores.

Esso is now owned by Topaz (aka Denis O'Brien) so all the Esso figures no longer count. Maxol is no where near me.

Having driven a lot in the US especially, in performance cars anyway, the fuel we sell here is Tesco vodka as opposed to Grey Goose.

Dennis sold Topaz to a Canadian company Couche-Tard

Toyotafanboi

ironclaw wrote: »

Having driven a lot in the US especially, in performance cars anyway, the fuel we sell here is Tesco vodka as opposed to Grey Goose.

I wouldn't have driven extensively in the US but holidaying there last year, when filling the rental I would see regular petrol being 83-85 octane and premium being 91-93 so I would have assumed their fuel was a much lower quality than ours.

shietpilot

Dartz wrote: »

Applegreen diesel is shocking, however. It's pisswater. Applegreen petrol seems to be more volatile and can be mix-and-match.

Will everyone ever stop with this bo**cks? I track all my fills with Fuelly and I can tell you - no brand of fuel will get you better MPG. The difference is minimal and any difference can be considered negligible because the driving conditions will be different even if you drive the same route due to traffic, etc. I've tried Applegreen, Topaz, Esso, Maxol, Texaco and no major difference. The worst I've seen on Boards is "Applegreen in Rathcoole ruined my fuel system". Bo**cks again, I filled up at least 10 tanks there and my car should be toast by now. I drove 150 km of Mondello on an Applegreen tank sweet jaysusss.

I think you're all dreaming here with the "super power" placebo effects of filling up a particular brand of fuel.

Del2005

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I wouldn't have driven extensively in the US but holidaying there last year, when filling the rental I would see regular petrol being 83-85 octane and premium being 91-93 so I would have assumed their fuel was a much lower quality than ours.

I though the same till I was about to complain about their cars running on crap gas, did some digging and they use a different standard AKI vs RON

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline#Octane_rating

Shefwedfan

shietpilot wrote: »

Will everyone ever stop with this bo**cks? I track all my fills with Fuelly and I can tell you - no brand of fuel will get you better MPG. The difference is minimal and any difference can be considered negligible because the driving conditions will be different even if you drive the same route due to traffic, etc. I've tried Applegreen, Topaz, Esso, Maxol, Texaco and no major difference. The worst I've seen on Boards is "Applegreen in Rathcoole ruined my fuel system". Bo**cks again, I filled up at least 10 tanks there and my car should be toast by now. I drove 150 km of Mondello on an Applegreen tank sweet jaysusss.

I think you're all dreaming here with the "super power" placebo effects of filling up a particular brand of fuel.

Ok if it is all bo**ck as you suggest then so be it. No need to be rude about it

Nobody has asked about super power of fuel. It was a simple question I asked. I have all the major garages close to me and all are in around the same price per ltr so was just wondering if one is better than the other.

I am not expecting any massive more mileage, just better/cleaner diesel for the engine. I am commuting 240km a day so even a little gain would be great and also better for the engine.

Seth Brundle

They all use the same underlying liquid (petrol). Some add various additives which may clean the engine or whatever but these additives don't add 10mpg or whatever some people think.

Also apparently some deliveries are sent to neighbouring stations so Maxon could be stocking up with a Topaz order, etc.

shietpilot

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok if it is all bo**ck as you suggest then so be it. No need to be rude about it

Nobody has asked about super power of fuel. It was a simple question I asked. I have all the major garages close to me and all are in around the same price per ltr so was just wondering if one is better than the other.

I am not expecting any massive more mileage, just better/cleaner diesel for the engine. I am commuting 240km a day so even a little gain would be great and also better for the engine.

Not being rude about it but there were 100s of threads like this in the past. Just buy from the cheapest garage/garage you like the most/garage nearest to you etc.

hellyeah

shietpilot wrote: »

Will everyone ever stop with this bo**cks? I track all my fills with Fuelly and I can tell you - no brand of fuel will get you better MPG. The difference is minimal and any difference can be considered negligible because the driving conditions will be different even if you drive the same route due to traffic, etc. I've tried Applegreen, Topaz, Esso, Maxol, Texaco and no major difference. The worst I've seen on Boards is "Applegreen in Rathcoole ruined my fuel system". Bo**cks again, I filled up at least 10 tanks there and my car should be toast by now. I drove 150 km of Mondello on an Applegreen tank sweet jaysusss.

I think you're all dreaming here with the "super power" placebo effects of filling up a particular brand of fuel.

Agree completely. This topic raises its ugly head every other week.
I do 90,000 klm per year on Applegreen diesal and never had an issue and
neither have the other 12 vehicles in our fleet who all run applegreen
fuelcards with similar annual mileage the last 2 years.
Problem here in ireland is lack of maintenence and when said car breaks down everyone blames the last fill of fuel, or people buying 2 litre tdi engines for the multidrop stop start school run annual mileage 5k and
when she cokes up and sits down it must be the cheap fuel i got last week.

The only thing I used to do when I had an FSI engine which was really supposed to be run on 97 octane which we cant get was to fill up at Maxol because their petrol was supposed to be a higher octane when it was E5 but now that thats gone I doubt it matters.

As for op saying follow where the motorbikes go, I have a gsxr and fill it up wherever doesnt make any difference to performance.

Hal1

I've a habbit of using maxol for fuel almost always, unless I'm miles from one. I find it considerably better than others I used, the car runs and sounds better for it.

coylemj

Malachi Quaint Youth wrote: »

The only thing I used to do when I had an FSI engine which was really supposed to be run on 97 octane which we cant get was to fill up at Maxol because their petrol was supposed to be a higher octane when it was E5 but now that thats gone I doubt it matters.

I had a 2007 170 bhp Golf GT which also preferred 97 but the problem with ethanol is that while it does boost the octane level, it has less energy (joules per litre) than pure Unleaded 95 so the octane boost in E5 was offset by a drop in the energy content - swings and roundabouts!

Has Maxol stopped putting 5% ethanol in their unleaded?

Dartz

shietpilot wrote: »

Will everyone ever stop with this bo**cks? I track all my fills with Fuelly and I can tell you - no brand of fuel will get you better MPG. The difference is minimal and any difference can be considered negligible because the driving conditions will be different even if you drive the same route due to traffic, etc. I've tried Applegreen, Topaz, Esso, Maxol, Texaco and no major difference. The worst I've seen on Boards is "Applegreen in Rathcoole ruined my fuel system". Bo**cks again, I filled up at least 10 tanks there and my car should be toast by now. I drove 150 km of Mondello on an Applegreen tank sweet jaysusss.

I think you're all dreaming here with the "super power" placebo effects of filling up a particular brand of fuel.

I've never had a good tank of diesel out of an Applegreens. It's caused measureable differences in three cars. Admitedly these yokes were Renaults but it's enough of a confirmation to make me wary.

shietpilot

Dartz wrote: »

I've never had a good tank of diesel out of an Applegreens. It's caused measureable differences in three cars. Admitedly these yokes were Renaults but it's enough of a confirmation to make me wary.

My lowest consumption tanks were from Topaz and Applegreen. It all depends on the exact driving conditions to be fair. I don't think you can say a certain brand of fuel is better after driving for 800 km on a tank because a lot of things happen during 800 km of driving which could change the MPG.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

I had a 2007 170 bhp Golf GT which also preferred 97 but the problem with ethanol is that while it does boost the octane level, it has less energy (joules per litre) than pure Unleaded 95 so the octane boost in E5 was offset by a drop in the energy content - swings and roundabouts!

Has Maxol stopped putting 5% ethanol in their unleaded?

AFAIK they stopped it a few years ago, am open to correction though.

mikeecho

Malachi Quaint Youth wrote: »

AFAIK they stopped it a few years ago, am open to correction though.

All petrol in Ireland has between 5 to 7 % ethanol

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

All petrol in Ireland has between 5 to 7 % ethanol

Yeah but the E5 fuel Maxol sold which supposedly had a higher octane rating is discontinued by them.

coylemj

Malachi Quaint Youth wrote: »

Yeah but the E5 fuel Maxol sold which supposedly had a higher octane rating is discontinued by them.

I wouldn't say they 'discontinued' it, the octane boost wasn't a Maxol marketing gimmick, it was an unintended effect of adding ethanol to unleaded 95. The resultant mixture (E5) can withstand higher levels of compression (than pure Unleaded 95) before spontaneously combusting so has a higher octane rating. There's no reason why the octane rating has changed if they're still adding ethanol.

coylemj

Just spotted some links to the DoE from the Maxol website and it appears that current regulations say that the renewable content in diesel and petrol has to be 6% since Jan. 2013, will be going to 8% in 2017 and moving to 10% in 2020.

'Renewable' in the context of motor fuel effectively means Ethanol and Biodiesel.

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/energy/en-ie/Renewable-Energy/Pages/Biofuels.aspx

vectra

shietpilot wrote: »

Not being rude about it but there were 100s of threads like this in the past. Just buy from the cheapest garage/garage you like the most/garage nearest to you etc.

Wouldnt be inclined ot go along with that advice.
Cheapest can often mean washed.
As for "Cheaper"
I have a self service pump near me and I have used a few tanks from it as I was told it was Esso diesel.
I have no idea what it is but mpg is fine but the car is certainly doing a lot more regens than when I was using Topaz only.
And I mean a LOT more.

I am back using Topaz aain and little or no regens.

Seems to tell a story.

Old School Husqy

Running wine in an aging vag is a no no.

Kenny Logins

shietpilot wrote: »

Will everyone ever stop with this bo**cks? I track all my fills with Fuelly and I can tell you - no brand of fuel will get you better MPG. The difference is minimal and any difference can be considered negligible because the driving conditions will be different even if you drive the same route due to traffic, etc. I've tried Applegreen, Topaz, Esso, Maxol, Texaco and no major difference. The worst I've seen on Boards is "Applegreen in Rathcoole ruined my fuel system". Bo**cks again, I filled up at least 10 tanks there and my car should be toast by now. I drove 150 km of Mondello on an Applegreen tank sweet jaysusss.

I think you're all dreaming here with the "super power" placebo effects of filling up a particular brand of fuel.

What car do you drive?

I drive an old car that has minimal electronics beyond the FI and I can definitely feel a difference (however slight) when filling at one of three particular stations close to me. I have said this before, and mentioned that I don't think it's a difference from brand to brand, but may be from station to station, and it has been consistent over the last few years.

I can't feel any difference at all in the more recent cars I have driven.

shietpilot

Kenny Logins wrote: »

What car do you drive?

See my signature.

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I drive an old car that has minimal electronics beyond the FI and I can definitely feel a difference (however slight) when filling at one of three particular stations close to me. I have said this before, and mentioned that I don't think it's a difference from brand to brand, but may be from station to station, and it has been consistent over the last few years.

Maybe it's possible for a particular station to have contaminated fuel due to contaminated storage or something but yeah I agree, you cannot say a brand is bad.

It just annoys me when people come on here and blame a particular brand of station (usually Applegreen) for destroying their fuel system when actually their car was just badly maintained or faulty to start begin with. I find Applegreen stations very good. The pumps are usually pretty new and the shop inside is well kitted out and the facilities are good.

Kenny Logins

Ah, diesel. :pac:

mikeecho

coylemj wrote: »

Just spotted some links to the DoE from the Maxol website and it appears that current regulations say that the renewable content in diesel and petrol has to be 6% since Jan. 2013, will be going to 8% in 2017 and moving to 10% in 2020.

'Renewable' in the context of motor fuel effectively means Ethanol and Biodiesel.

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/energy/en-ie/Renewable-Energy/Pages/Biofuels.aspx

And that's why Maxol (and the others) no longer sell or advertise E5 fuel.

The ethanol content had been increased.
Rather than rebrand it... it was debranded as E5.

Thanks for the link, I knew the bio content had been increased, and is due to increase even more, but I didn't have a link to back up any claim I was going to make.

Mervyn Skidmore

Lads you're all talking nonsense in here. What I do is buy a €5 petrol in Topaz, add another €5 from Texaco, €5 more from Tesco, €5 from Applegreen, and then fill it up with Maxol. It takes me about an hour to fill the car but it definitely runs better afterwards.

Ps: It has to be filled in that order too.

mikeecho

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Lads you're all talking nonsense in here. What I do is buy a €5 petrol in Topaz, add another €5 from Texaco, €5 more from Tesco, €5 from Applegreen, and then fill it up with Maxol. It takes me about an hour to fill the car but it definitely runs better afterwards.

Ps: It has to be filled in that order too.

Bull$hīt

We all know that the only accurate way to know is to buy and measure by the L.

And that Tesco goes in before the Topaz.

shietpilot

50 litres of diesel and 5 litres of petrol keeps her like a rocket! :pac:









2 weeks later... Fcukin Applegreen, ffs!

biko

I just fill 100% Dipetane
It's a little expensive but it passes nct emissions test beautifully

mikeecho

biko wrote: »

I just fill 100% Dipetane
It's a little expensive but it passes nct emissions test beautifully

The dipetane in the maxol shop is better than the dipetane from halfords

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Jesus.

ironclaw wrote: »

Having driven a lot in the US especially, in performance cars anyway, the fuel we sell here is Tesco vodka as opposed to Grey Goose.

I've often heard Yanks say the fuel in Europe is far better than theirs.

Kenny Logins

Jesus. wrote: »

I've often heard Yanks say the fuel in Europe is far better than theirs.

The yanks that bring their cars over with them I presume?

mikeecho

Kenny Logins wrote: »

The yanks that bring their cars over with them I presume?

Funny you should mention that.

I actually see a few cars on US plates every yr in cork around cork and kerry.

Autosport

I find no difference between any of the stations. There's just the one in Kilkenny that I don't use as they have a habit of not cleaning the diesel tanks.

Bandara

Autosport wrote: »

I find no difference between any of the stations. There's just the one in Kilkenny that I don't use as they have a habit of not cleaning the diesel tanks.

No garage 'cleans the diesel tanks'

Why would you ? There is no need to.

Old School Husqy

It's the washed wine that does for pumps and injectors.

corks finest

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I had a discussion with someone earlier and this came up. He always goes to Texaco because they have the highest petroleum levels in there fuel.

Now I know I heard this years ago but didn't take much notice. I did get told a few times by a friend who sells cars never to buy Tesco as your average ltr/100km will be awful as there diesel/petrol is sh*t.


I am just wondering if any of this is true? the signs on Topaz to say they travel an extra XXkm per fill? any of it true?

Also is Applegreen any good? they opened a garage close to me and cheap so wondering if any good.....

For me topaz

dzwx

Switched from Maxol to Topaz as they add some injector cleaning stuff so decided to give it a try, no complaints.

Remember a year ago or two was running low on fuel and the closest was Applegreen, had a tenner fill, oh boy car was misfiring like crazy as soon as I left garage, topped up in Maxol next day and all problems gone.Never used Applegreen again since

Old School Husqy

Your last fill would be what you used as soon as you left the garage as such. Topping up with Maxol then neutralised the badness of your apple green diesel. Your story takes some convincing.

Handsome Brute

Tesco has to be the worst. Wouldn't fill my lawnmower with their petrol.

Seth Brundle

Handsome Brute wrote: »

Tesco has to be the worst. Wouldn't fill my lawnmower with their petrol.

Why? What happens?

Aren't they supplied by Topaz?

cletus

I thought that all petrol / diesel suppliers in Ireland got their fuel from the same place, and different companies then mixed whatever additives they use.

But essentially its the same fuel in all tankers?

If so, the stories on here suggest that either

a) the additives from each company have a huge effect on the fuel quality (much greater than I would have thought)

or

b) some fuel companies are actively making the fuel they receive worse than their competitors through whatever means

cletus

I thought that all petrol / diesel suppliers in Ireland got their fuel from the same place, and different companies then mixed whatever additives they use.

But essentially its the same fuel in all tankers?

If so, the stories on here suggest that either

a) the additives from each company have a huge effect on the fuel quality (much greater than I would have thought)

or

b) some fuel companies are actively making the fuel they receive worse than their competitors through whatever means

shietpilot

cletus wrote: »

I thought that all petrol / diesel suppliers in Ireland got their fuel from the same place, and different companies then mixed whatever additives they use.

But essentially its the same fuel in all tankers?

If so, the stories on here suggest that either

a) the additives from each company have a huge effect on the fuel quality (much greater than I would have thought)

or

b) some fuel companies are actively making the fuel they receive worse than their competitors through whatever means

or

c) at kilometre 612 of the 820 km fuel-up John was giving 100 kg Mary a lift up to Sallygap and used more fuel and then came to Boards and said "Topaz is shoite lads".