Leftists against democracy gather in London to protest.

Jimmy Garlic

It seems that democracy only works when they get their way...

DEFTLEFTHAND

"Anti Fascist", give me a break. :rolleyes:

Irony is lost on these people.

I'm not over the moon about the brexit but I respect democracy.

Two Tone

Well according to a report I read today in either the Times or Independent (UK ones), people who voted to leave are among them - due to having an "Oh sh1t what did we do" epiphany. I wouldn't believe it's all "leftists" at all.

Shenshen

Hang on a second, Farage announced well before polls even opened that if there was a 48-52% outcome in favour of remain, he would put all his efforts into getting another referendum. "Unfinished business", I think were his words.

He's not exactly a well-known poster boy for the left, is he?

Two Tone

Found the article I read earlier: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anger-bregret-leave-voters-protest-vote-thought-uk-stay-in-eu-remain-win-a7102516.html

The flying mouse

Shenshen wrote: »

Hang on a second, Farage announced well before polls even opened that if there was a 48-52% outcome in favour of remain, he would put all his efforts into getting another referendum. "Unfinished business", I think were his words.

He's not exactly a well-known poster boy for the left, is he?

And David Cameron said

Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday dismissed the possibility of a second referendum on Britain’s membership in the European Union if the results next month are close, saying the coming plebiscite is a once-in-a-lifetime event.


Mr. Cameron indicated that the result would be final. “If you vote to stay we stay and that’s it—and if we vote to leave, we leave, that’s it. You can’t have ‘neverendums

Shenshen

The flying mouse wrote: »

And David Cameron said

Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday dismissed the possibility of a second referendum on Britain’s membership in the European Union if the results next month are close, saying the coming plebiscite is a once-in-a-lifetime event.


Mr. Cameron indicated that the result would be final. “If you vote to stay we stay and that’s it—and if we vote to leave, we leave, that’s it. You can’t have ‘neverendums

And I hope they'll stick to this and now leave quickly.
But I won't blame people who now feel that the result is not decisive enough for voicing their opinion, same as I wouldn't have blamed the other side.

Samaris

What makes you think they're all "leftists"?

Jimmy Garlic

Two Tone wrote: »

Well according to a report I read today in either the Times or Independent (UK ones), people who voted to leave are among them - due to having an "Oh sh1t what did we do" epiphany. I wouldn't believe it's all "leftists" at all.

Did they all have a Homer Simpson moment? Or maybe Farage hypnotised them. Should the referendum be repeated until the ''right answer'' is achieved? A la Lisbon.

Outlaw Pete

The flying mouse wrote: »

Mr. Cameron indicated that the result would be final. "If you vote to stay we stay and that's it; and if we vote to leave, we leave, that's it. You can't have neverendums

Nobody wants to talk about rematches when they're convinced they're going to win though.

Different story when they lose.

Elmer Blooker

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

"Anti Fascist", give me a break. :rolleyes:

Irony is lost on these people.

I'm not over the moon about the brexit but I respect democracy.

I respect democracy too
There will either be another referendum or Britain's position within the EU will re-negotiated.

http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-green/2016/06/14/can-the-united-kingdom-government-legally-disregard-a-vote-for-brexit/?siteedition=uk

Jimmy Garlic

Samaris wrote: »

What makes you think they're all "leftists"?

Just look at them. It doesn't take a genius to work it out. Vice titled the video:
Leftists, angered by Brexit, march in London

The flying mouse

Shenshen wrote: »

And I hope they'll stick to this and now leave quickly.
But I won't blame people who now feel that the result is not decisive enough for voicing their opinion, same as I wouldn't have blamed the other side.

The way I think is the vote is the vote, Its not going to change so its better to get prepared for what ever lies ahead instead of all this if buts and if only nonsense that's be sprouted all over the place.

Were all in uncharted waters certainly so lets deal with that and not looking back from where we came from, as know one really knows where we going to land.:)

Samaris

Wonder how many of them Vice talked to.

Stupid, divisive term. Likely a lot of them are indeed angry Remain voters, and many Remain voters are left-leaning. A lot of them are also migrants who are fearing a backlash such as the "Get out Polish *****" cards that were reportedly being posted through doors. And quite likely a few are people who voted in protest and are now regretting it.

Democracy is the voice of the people, isn't it? The voice of the people spoke on Thursday, but that doesn't mean that their voices are now silenced. They do get to keep speaking, just their voices do not add up to a political decision based on it.

Shenshen

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Did they all have a Homer Simpson moment? Or maybe Farage hypnotised them. Should the referendum be repeated until the ''right answer'' is achieved? A la Lisbon.

How is that supposed to work, exactly? Change the EU and then vote again, is that what you're trying to say? Same as they changed the treaty before putting it up for vote again?

The flying mouse

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nobody wants to talk about rematches when they're convinced they're going to win though.

Different story when they lose.

True,

I think there would be major civil unrest in England if they call another referendum, and I cant see one being called for the foreseeable future and by then they would just have to reapply.

Junkyard Tom

Samaris wrote: »

What makes you think they're all "leftists"?

Or that "leftists" didn't vote to leave the EU? A lot of Brits were pissed-off about competing for low-skilled work with people from abroad who'd accept much lower conditions.

darkpagandeath

These lot would be out if Brexit lost....

biko

AFA and their ilk just loves a good toss-up regardless of the occasion.

RayM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Did they all have a Homer Simpson moment? Or maybe Farage hypnotised them. Should the referendum be repeated until the ''right answer'' is achieved? A la Lisbon.

Ironically, if the Lisbon Treaty hadn't been ratified, it would be almost impossible for Britain to exit the EU.

Your Face

RayM wrote: »

Ironically, if the Lisbon Treaty hadn't been ratified, it would be almost impossible for Britain to exit the EU.

I guess sometimes, irony can be pretty ironic.

alchemist33

Two Tone wrote: »

Well according to a report I read today in either the Times or Independent (UK ones), people who voted to leave are among them - due to having an "Oh sh1t what did we do" epiphany. I wouldn't believe it's all "leftists" at all.

I even saw video of one of them. Months to make up their mind then regret their decision within hours. Eejits

Severard

Besides Cameron saying that another referendum is not going ahead, Jean Claude Juncker also said that Britain & other member states should -

"negotiate its exit plan “as soon as possible, however painful this process will be”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683042/EU-referendum-Brexit-Britain-leaves

This "protest" is pointless & the people participating in it are making fools of themselves while offering no solutions to the situation. Shouting racist and continuously virtue signalling will not solve anything.

Also is Antifa still a thing? The irony that they would claim that they are anti-facist while at the same time wanting to undo the decision of a referendum is truly lost on them.

Another point is what happens if by chance another referendum is called, & the remain side win? Will there be a third referendum? As many, if not all of those who voted to leave the first time, will vote leave the second time as well as no doubt it will be as close as the first one. Or what if the leave side win again, will there also be a third referendum?

Lastly if this petition that has been mentioned recently asking for a second referendum influences the decision to actually have a another referendum then it should be taken into account that not all of the people who signed it are from the U.K. in fact the majority are not -

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json

For example 289 people from North Korea voted in this petition. Did anyone else know the North Koreans had a say in this referendum?

Your Face

Shane Longs on fire.

my friend

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It seems that democracy only works when they get their way...

Lefties = the real fascists , Nazis were lefties, this crowd no different

RayM

Severard wrote: »

Also is Antifa still a thing? The irony that they would claim that they are anti-facist while at the same time wanting to undo the decision of a referendum is truly lost on them.

Some fascists were very fond of referendums...

AllGunsBlazing

I didn't get the end result that I wanted therefore democracy is broken.

TheChizler

my friend wrote: »

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It seems that democracy only works when they get their way...

Lefties = the real fascists , Nazis were lefties, this crowd no different

Are you quite sure?

Jimmy Garlic

Samaris wrote: »

Stupid, divisive term. Likely a lot of them are indeed angry Remain voters,

Did we watch the same video? Regardless of how they voted I seriously doubt anyone with a shred of sense would go within an asses roar of the raving loonies and masked goons that make up antifa.

FTA69

Typical sh*te on After Hours. The protest was called in solidarity with migrants due to the upsurge of xenophobia at the moment, it wasn't calling for the referendum to be overturned.

There's a difference. And you would have realised that had you watched the video rather than reading the title and skipping off to start some nonsense thread.

RayM

FTA69 wrote: »

Typical sh*te on After Hours. The protest was called in solidarity with migrants due to the upsurge of xenophobia at the moment, it wasn't calling for the referendum to be overturned.

There's a difference. And you would have realised that had you watched the video rather than reading the title and skipping off to start some nonsense thread.

Bit much to expect reactionary right-wingers to do anything other than react, in fairness.

For Forks Sake

Severard wrote: »

For example 289 people from North Korea voted in this petition. Did anyone else know the North Koreans had a say in this referendum?

ah here, North Korea is Best Korea.

my friend

TheChizler wrote: »

Are you quite sure?

Well your multiple thankers appear in need of an education too...

The National Socialist German Workers' Party = Nazis

I know lefties are fond of using it as an abusive term but they are actually referring to their brethren

Smiles35

my friend wrote: »

Well your multiple thankers appear in need of an education too...

The National Socialist German Workers' Party = Nazis

I know lefties are fond of using it as an abusive term but they are actually referring to their brethren

Not our problem anymore. Only a bit of northen stuff as usual.

RayM

my friend wrote: »

Well your multiple thankers appear in need of an education too...

The National Socialist German Workers' Party = Nazis

I know lefties are fond of using it as an abusive term but they are actually referring to their brethren

They called themselves 'Socialists', but the Nazis, my friend, were very much your brethren. The term 'socialist' (a word that implied that they'd take care of people) was a means to an end. They were all about the nationalism.

Go read a book.

darkpagandeath

RayM wrote: »

They called themselves 'Socialists', but the Nazis, my friend, were very much your brethren. The term 'socialist' (a word that implied that they'd take care of people) was a means to an end. They were all about the nationalism.

Go read a book.

Did they not introduce welfare for the old and alike pretty socialist.

K-9

Shenshen wrote: »

Hang on a second, Farage announced well before polls even opened that if there was a 48-52% outcome in favour of remain, he would put all his efforts into getting another referendum. "Unfinished business", I think were his words.

He's not exactly a well-known poster boy for the left, is he?

Farage tells it like it is though.

darkpagandeath

K-9 wrote: »

Farage tells it like it is though.

Would never vote for him. But he is very quick on the mark in the EU parliament. He's great entertainment.

RayM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did they not introduce welfare for the old and alike pretty socialist.

Welfare for the 'master race'. Great bunch of 'SJWs', the Nazis.

Claiming that the Nazis were left-wing is every bit as stupid as claiming that anti-fascists are the real fascists. If anti-fascists had been more powerful in 1920s/30s Germany, how many million lives would have been saved?

Sweetemotion

RayM wrote: »

Welfare for the 'master race'. Great bunch of 'SJWs', the Nazis.

Claiming that the Nazis were left-wing is every bit as stupid as claiming that anti-fascists are the real fascists. If anti-fascists had been more powerful in 1920s/30s Germany, how many million lives would have been saved?

A billion.

Sweetemotion

RayM wrote: »

Welfare for the 'master race'. Great bunch of 'SJWs', the Nazis.

Claiming that the Nazis were left-wing is every bit as stupid as claiming that anti-fascists are the real fascists. If anti-fascists had been more powerful in 1920s/30s Germany, how many million lives would have been saved?

Safe spaces for everybody except "cis white male"

end of the road

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It seems that democracy only works when they get their way...

leftists? what about the rightists who wanted to stay in? find it hard to believe none of them are at that protest. or the middlists as well. leftists my backside.

Samaris wrote: »

What makes you think they're all "leftists"?

don't you know, it's because "jay protest/jay have a different view to me"

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Just look at them. It doesn't take a genius to work it out. Vice titled the video:
Leftists, angered by Brexit, march in London

so, basically they are leftists "because" and as per you have no evidence for your claim that they are leftists. plenty from all over the political spectrum voted either to leave or stay, plenty from all over the political spectrum are either happy or unhappy with the result.

Renegade Mechanic

Oh man I do love the anti fascist groups and how they work these days.
It would basically be like Hitler coming to power on an anti-antisemitism front. The irony is almost painful.

Renegade Mechanic

RayM wrote: »

Welfare for the 'master race'. Great bunch of 'SJWs', the Nazis.

Claiming that the Nazis were left-wing is every bit as stupid as claiming that anti-fascists are the real fascists. If anti-fascists had been more powerful in 1920s/30s Germany, how many million lives would have been saved?

Nazis were centre right, combining socialism without the Marxist ideologies with nationalism and putting extreme authoritarianism over it all. The unholy concoction was center right, believe it or not.

Anyway.. Er... You realise the fight against fascism is what actually caused 80 million+ deaths, right?

As in the only way to defeat fascism was by engaging it in war? So your Antifa boys would have done exactly what was done to defeat fascism as it stood then. No lives would have been saved.

AirBiscuit

Anti facists are some of the worst scum around, multiple orders of magnitude worse than those they oppose. Having an opposing viewpoint to others is fine, heated exchanges against those you disagree with are acceptable, using violence to try and stamp anyone who thinks differently to you from expressing your opinions is reprehensible (and these twats almost ALWAYS resort to violence before even attempting debate). These amoebas should just ditch the "anti" part of their name already, because they're the only true fascists these days.

RayM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Anyway.. Er... You realise the fight against fascism is what actually caused 80 million+ deaths, right?

Er... you do realise that Hitler was appeased for years, before anyone went to war with him, right?

Another one who should go read a book.

AirBiscuit wrote:

Having an opposing viewpoint to others is fine, heated exchanges are acceptable

Early 1920s Germany: "Have you tried reasoning with Hitler? You know, tell him he's a bit harsh on the Jews. Maybe have a heated exchange with him. That'll show him."

Jimmy Garlic

RayM wrote: »

Early 1920s Germany: "Have you tried reasoning with Hitler? You know, tell him he's a bit harsh on the Jews. Maybe have a heated exchange with him. That'll show him."

So the masked thugs of antifa instigating violence wouldn't be a problem in your book then? Who would you like them to beat up, or kill?

RayM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

So the masked thugs of antifa instigating violence wouldn't be a problem in your book then? Who would you like them to beat up, or kill?

"Ah, leave poor Adolf alone... don't chase him off the streets! Ah stop, you're as bad as he is. Actually no, you're worse than Hitler, you are."

Its dead Jim

The right has gotten a huge hard on for silencing people recently. Insulting anyone who might not be happy about finding themselves ****ed.

FTA69 wrote: »

Typical sh*te on After Hours. The protest was called in solidarity with migrants due to the upsurge of xenophobia at the moment, it wasn't calling for the referendum to be overturned.

There's a difference. And you would have realised that had you watched the video rather than reading the title and skipping off to start some nonsense thread.

They can't blame the left for people being harassed for looking foreign so no interest. They just want to discuss immigration, by telling the people who they think are foreign to **** off.

my friend wrote: »

Lefties = the real fascists , Nazis were lefties, this crowd no different

They havent started a world war and kill millions of people. A little bit different.

Renegade Mechanic

RayM wrote: »

Er... you do realise that Hitler was appeased for years, before anyone went to war with him, right?

Another one who should go read a book.

Right back at you. The appeasement was a plan to stall him, because he'd shattered everyone's beliefs of what a party can do with a countries military in so little time and because oddly he wanted it too, the plan allowed the allies to be in a better (even if not perfect) place to declare war when they did.

You honestly believe Allied powers ended up going to war against Nazi Germany because he was killing Jews and loads of others people aswell?

Hint: That didn't bother our leaders one bit..
Otherwise an all out war would have been declared against the Bolsheviks in Russia, not just the assistance offered to the opponents.


Now what did bother our leaders a bit was the incalculable amounts of money lost whenever the goose steppers dismantled the central banks in any country they took over. In fact that bothered them quite a lot.

The idea that the Nazis were evil is well earned but this common "law" that we took them on because we were completely "good" and it was for the freedom of people is frankly ridiculous.

^ But anyway your Your Antifa "heros" don't have the brains to think that far ahead. They wouldn't wait, they would have gone in in the 30s, all guns blazing, been unceremoniously crushed and it probably would have lead to an event nastier conflict.

But of course that's all Antifa want really. A good smash up.

Honestly the only difference between them and the Stormfront gob****es is that the Stormfront gob****es usually get arrested.

Renegade Mechanic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

So the masked thugs of antifa instigating violence wouldn't be a problem in your book then? Who would you like them to beat up, or kill?

Oh who else? :rolleyes: