Paddy Power Scam Beware

cornholiooo

Who

Kovu

That is not a scam, it's to prove you are over 18.
There are any number of kids under 18 that have smartphones and could download the app and pretend they were over 18 in order to place bets.

Sono

How the hell do you feel scammed ffs!!

Read terms and conditions before you use any service with any company, if you don't like it then don't do it but you have not been scammed!!!!!

The Sidewards Man

Op wake up read the terms.

tinpib

Yep to prevent money laundering you now need to provide photo ID and proof of address to gambling sites.

You could possibly bring a case to the international court in the Hague, you might need to do some research there, otherwise you might have to accept it and provide the details.

soups05

so they are at fault for your error/lack of knowledge. yep, typical customer in any business in any country in the world.

LightsStillOn

I feel scammed after reading that OP.

Depp

if you were to put those same bets on in a shop they have the right to ask for id, gambling is only allowed for 18+ and its their responsibility to make sure you are

suicide_circus

It's your own fault op but I agree, f*cked if I'd give those kind of details to a bookie

dmc17

I fell for this scam before So I provided them with a proof of ID and I was back up an running in no time

cornholiooo

Would

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I set up an account for the horseracing in March. I didnt anticipate anyone ever finding out about my account so I set my username up as Alexisverycool or something like that. Except then I had to verify my account. And I had to call the number. After being on hold for almost 30 mins this man answers. Asks how he can help. I explain my issue. He asks "do you have a username?" Now as you can imagine I was in no hurry to disclose it. Yes, I do have a username.
".... Can I have your username?" So I told him, he laughed and then I got cut off. All that embarrassment for nothing. I ring back up. About ten mins on hold, get talking to another guy, I could hear a snigger in his voice. "I think I was speaking to you a while ago" he said. "What's your username?" So I tell him again. "Yep! It was definitely you!"

Let that be a lesson to you all. Don't choose embarrassing usernames for paddy power. You'll probably have to talk to someone to let them know you're not a child.

tinpib

cornholiooo wrote: »

It was either not mentioned or discretely placed in the terms and conditions.

I find that hard to believe OP.

MilesMorales1

cornholiooo wrote: »

If id have known it at the start id never have downloaded the app and given them €15

It was either not mentioned or discretely placed in the terms and conditions.

It didnt stop me depositing money and placing bets yesterday.

They deliberately mislead people until they have your money and then lock you out.

If thats not a scam I dont know what is.

But its not locking you out, all you need to do is scam a utility bill or whatever.

RobertKK

cornholiooo wrote: »

If id have known it at the start id never have downloaded the app and given them €15

It was either not mentioned or discretely placed in the terms and conditions.

It didnt stop me depositing money and placing bets yesterday.

They deliberately mislead people until they have your money and then lock you out.

If thats not a scam I dont know what is.

It is not a scam. Are you under 18 and tried to scam PP that you were over 18?
If not, just provide proof of identity and you will get your access back.

Depp

its common sense that something thats restricted for people under the age of 18 would require identification like? are you having a laugh?

Starokan

Its not a scam op but I do agree with you that it should be mentioned more clearly before you deposit. Its annoying to have to do it but all gambling sites require it and your account and money will invariably be locked up unless you do.

Emmadilema123

KYC is standard for all financial institutions in Europe! I would be more concerned if I wasn't asked for those details to be honest.

cornholiooo

have

kneemos

Not exactly foolproof is it.How hard would it be to get your hands on a utility bill?

awec

Sometimes they can validate your ID without having to ask you for the documents, this is why they don't automatically ask for them when you register.

The Backwards Man

Good job the OP didn't bet on an Australian horse race with betfair, he'd have a canary!:pac:

You have to get an upstanding member of the local community to verify them.

ANXIOUS

This carry on really annoys me as well. I've no problem with it but I feel that it should be done before you place any bets. If the whole point is to make sure you are over 18, should they not do it before you place any bets?

Bubbaclaus

Just give it to them OP.

Honestly why would you give a **** if PP has a copy of your ID?

rawn

Same happened to me, i opened the account, deposited money and placed a few bets but it asked me for my id/details after all of that, rather than before which would make more sense. It's not a scam just silly business practice. They should ask you for the info BEFORE they allow you to place bets. I provided them with mine and it was processed within a day, very fast customer services.

mdwexford

Amuses me the way people are so precious over their information.

As if anyone gives a ****e about your id and utility bill.

Its not a scam and you sound like a fool saying it is.

kneemos

rawn wrote: »

Same happened to me, i opened the account, deposited money and placed a few bets but it asked me for my id/details after all of that, rather than before which would make more sense. It's not a scam just silly business practice. They should ask you for the info BEFORE they allow you to place bets. I provided them with mine and it was processed within a day, very fast customer services.

Want you joined up and committed before putting barriers in the way.

Timberrrrrrrr

cornholiooo wrote: »

I am well over 18 but I dont feel comfortable presenting that type of documentation PP as I get the impression that they are dishonest.

Can any of the wise guys answer this?

Why was I allowed to deposit money and place bets on the first day without this documentation?

IMO it was in the hope that all the bets would lose and that would be it.

Dishonest and misleading

A scam as far as im concerned.

You keep using this term

I don't think it means what you think it means

scam (skăm) Informal
n.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.

Please tell us what was fraudulent or how you were swindled.

What losses have you incurred?

Amazing how many people never do a few seconds of research to find out this info. ALL online gambling sites reserve the right to ask for this information in case of underage gambling or money laundering.

mansize

Its not a scam it's basic anti money laundering legislation

cornholiooo

Thought

ceadaoin.

cornholiooo wrote: »

I am well over 18 but I dont feel comfortable presenting that type of documentation PP as I get the impression that they are dishonest.

Can any of the wise guys answer this?

Why was I allowed to deposit money and place bets on the first day without this documentation?

IMO it was in the hope that all the bets would lose and that would be it.

Dishonest and misleading

A scam as far as im concerned.

It's not a scam, they have to do this by law. It's an automatic process. If you try to withdraw before your identity has been verified it will flag up. Do you you think that someone sits there looking at all new accounts to see which ones are winning so that they can lock the account? They don't.

I've had to provide similar to various online bookies and so has anyone I know who opened online accounts.

Harry Palmr

Why can;t people who make an error just accept they are wrong with some good grace?

mdwexford

cornholiooo wrote: »

OP here
I am gonna register my passport just to get my money back.
Id just like this thread to be a warning to others about this type of thing.
To all who empathised, thanks.
To the troll, I learned ages ago not to feed em...
Thanks folks.

A warning about nothing.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

kneemos

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Why can;t people who make an error just accept they are wrong with some good grace?

Why do people continually tell them they're wrong ?

Bubbaclaus

cornholiooo wrote: »

OP here
I am gonna register my passport just to get my money back.
Id just like this thread to be a warning to others about this type of thing.
To all who empathised, thanks.
To the troll, I learned ages ago not to feed em...
Thanks folks.

They've are legally required to get these details.

Are you going to 'warn' us all next about the fact you need to get insurance after buying a car?

Muir

In fairness, they should ask for ID and proof of address before taking your money and allowing you to place bets. The terms state that you must be 18 or the age at which gambling is legal under laws that apply to you, whichever is older in order to register an account - so why not do the check on registration instead of after taking your money.

Harry Palmr

Muir wrote: »

In fairness, they should ask for ID and proof of address before taking your money and allowing you to place bets. The terms state that you must be 18 or the age at which gambling is legal under laws that apply to you, whichever is older in order to register an account - so why not do the check on registration instead of after taking your money.

Well that's clear enough - they want you to have skin in the game before they reel you into their world. If you are in profit then you'll accede to their wishes even if you would prefer not to. Bookies are not angels, just wait till you have a big win and want to get it to your bank account quickly.

saywhatyousee

You can validate your account in store by showing your passport you do not have to email it

Muir

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well that's clear enough - they want you to have skin in the game before they reel you into their world. If you are in profit then you'll accede to their wishes even if you would prefer not to. Bookies are not angels, just wait till you have a big win and want to get it to your bank account quickly.

Yeah, I know why they do it. Just people are saying that of course you'll be asked for ID, it's to prove you're 18 (for example the Tesco thread posted making fun of this one) - and I'm pointing out that they don't actually care if you're old enough to gamble when they're taking your money, only when you want money back.

kneemos

Wouldn't call it a blood relation to a scam.Maybe a next door neighbour.

cornholiooo

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RasTa

cornholiooo wrote: »

Op here.
I understand perfectly the potential need for such verifications my complaint is not about that. The timing and manner of the verification request however is an entirely different matter.
I eventually submitted my passport details and got my money back so all's well....
Before doing so I contacted the helpline and had a chat with a nice chap who told me they get a number of calls every day about this particular subject. He freely admitted the practice of allowing people to deposit / bet without any verification before looking for it on withdrawal is misleading at best.
In taking that into account im sure there are people who never verify their details to PP and just let it go, to the bookies gain.
Im also sure PP are well aware of this and tucking certain info into the terms and conditions, which a lot of people dont study in detail, does not make it any less misleading.
I consider deliberately misleading people and reaping financial rewards as a result to be....
Yes you've guessed it...
A scam.

Well then you're an idiot.

Mongfinder General

RasTa wrote: »

Well then you're an idiot.

He fought the law. The law won.

freshpopcorn

cornholiooo wrote: »

Op here.
I understand perfectly the potential need for such verifications my complaint is not about that. The timing and manner of the verification request however is an entirely different matter.
I eventually submitted my passport details and got my money back so all's well....
Before doing so I contacted the helpline and had a chat with a nice chap who told me they get a number of calls every day about this particular subject. He freely admitted the practice of allowing people to deposit / bet without any verification before looking for it on withdrawal is misleading at best.
In taking that into account im sure there are people who never verify their details to PP and just let it go, to the bookies gain.
Im also sure PP are well aware of this and tucking certain info into the terms and conditions, which a lot of people dont study in detail, does not make it any less misleading.
I consider deliberately misleading people and reaping financial rewards as a result to be....
Yes you've guessed it...
A scam.

The basic definition of a scam is "a dishonest scheme". You were not scammed!

Bubbaclaus

They need the info due to Money Laundering legislation. Money laundering would only become an issue on an attempt to withdraw any money entered onto the account...hence why the requirement to provide that info comes at that stage.

super_furry

I love what's happening in here, just love it.

mdwexford

cornholiooo wrote: »

Op here.
I understand perfectly the potential need for such verifications my complaint is not about that. The timing and manner of the verification request however is an entirely different matter.
I eventually submitted my passport details and got my money back so all's well....
Before doing so I contacted the helpline and had a chat with a nice chap who told me they get a number of calls every day about this particular subject. He freely admitted the practice of allowing people to deposit / bet without any verification before looking for it on withdrawal is misleading at best.
In taking that into account im sure there are people who never verify their details to PP and just let it go, to the bookies gain.
Im also sure PP are well aware of this and tucking certain info into the terms and conditions, which a lot of people dont study in detail, does not make it any less misleading.
I consider deliberately misleading people and reaping financial rewards as a result to be....
Yes you've guessed it...
A scam.

You are just proving how clueless you are.

You must have never gambled online before, this practice isn't exclusive to Paddy Power.

firestarter51

i am going to link this to paddypower on twitter
should be a right laugh

TerrorFirmer

Instead of just admitting that he's being outrageously irrational the OP continues to dig himself into a bigger and bigger hole.

Fr_Dougal

Thanks, OP. Didn't realise that Paddy Power was one big scam, but I do now thanks to your posts.

Why can't someone stop Paddy Power scamming people like this?

Utdfan20titles

I got scammed in a pub last week. They had a big sign saying FREE BEER outside so I went in and ordered a beer. After I'd taken a sup the barman came back to me looking for €5.80. I told him to **** off cos the sign said FREE BEER. After some nasty words he brought the sign in for a closer look. It actually said FREE in big letters and wifi in small letters. Then cool in small letters and BEER in big letters. So, it was a scam to lure you in for FREE BEER when it was really €5.80 for a beer. He said he would ring the guards if I didn't pay so I gave in. NEVER AGAIN