Season 6 Episode 10 "The Winds of Winter" - Speculation Thread

Nody

See topic; please spoiler anything from interviews, books, trailers etc.

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EagererBeaver

Red Wedding 2.0.

Roger Hassenforder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MehJaeTVrxI

RobbingBandit

George RR Martin on screen apologizing profusely for 58 minutes for the delay in the release of the book, in the closing credits dany chases him aboard Drogon.

Texas Jack

Where do we go from here? Can't see Jon getting on with Baelish, but he DID save his arse. Will he allow him to be Warden of the North? I can't think off the top of my head if Jon has beef with anyone else, unless he wants to go after Theon?

Still think Tommen dies next week, Cersai has a breakdown, tries to burn the place down and dies too.

Daith

People expecting a

Red Wedding 2.0 except Jaime is there with his plot armour. Unless Jaime executed a Red Wedding himself?

Not sure what I think will happen between Davos and Mel
My guess is that he wont kill her. He's a very rational man. While I think he'll verbally assault her, I think he'll either have her banished, or he'll leave. I can't see him staying in her presence.

Presume we'll see Cersei's trial next week, or at least the attempted trial
Not sure what the heck is going on with the Freys and Jamie. Who's wedding could that be? Just another Frey?

One possibility, is that the BWB attack the party.
I imagine we'll see Arya arrive back in Westeros as well.

Littlefinger will want a night's spooning with Sansa for saving them. I think he'll propose her wedding to Robin instead of himself. He's Robins guardian, and can rule through him

And hopefully, we'll see those Meeren board the ships, and Varys do something dastardly

JoeyJJ

No 1 Dad Stannis made the choice to sacrifice his daughter, not sure why Mel should get killed from it, it came to nothing however looks like Stannis might not be the promised one, however he may still be alive somewhere for all we know.

awec

Is this episode longer?

blackwhite

Hopefully the TOJ is revisited.

IMDB cast list (I know it's not always the most reliable ) currently listing young Ned and Howland Reed, so fingers crossed it's right this time!



EDIT - also a few unwanted names on that cast list at present [cough]sandsnakes[/cough]

CMOTDibbler

JoeyJJ wrote: »

No 1 Dad Stannis made the choice to sacrifice his daughter, not sure why Mel should get killed from it, it came to nothing however looks like Stannis might not be the promised one, however he may still be alive somewhere for all we know.

Stannis is no more. He's ceased to be. He's expired and gone to meet his maker. He's a late King. He's a stiff. Bereft of life he rests in peace...

awec

awec wrote: »

Is this episode longer?

Just looked it up, it's 69 minutes long.

I'm asking a lot, but I want to see ToJ, Arya progression, Bran progression, Dany progression and Jon/Sansa progression.

homerun_homer

Davos v Mel.
Arya arriving off a boat to Westeros.
The Sandsnakes bringing the episode down.
Walder Frey being dastardly to someone, could he screw Jaime over?
The Tower of Joy scene in further detail.
Dany & co board their ships.
Update with Varys possibly but I think this may be left to next season. If not then maybe a plot twist where he is concerned.
Littlefinger wants to show Sansa his *cough* littlefinger, she will be hesitant and it'll be interesting to see what transpires.
White Walkers reach the wall and maybe breach it and then it cuts to black.

Post credits scene showing the rotten body of Stannis to shut everyone up once and for all.

CMOTDibbler

awec wrote: »

Just looked it up, it's 69 minutes long.

I'm asking a lot, but I want to see ToJ, Arya progression, Bran progression, Dany progression and Jon/Sansa progression.

You may get it. From the trailer, Bran features which may hint to another ToJ flashback. There's no sign of Arya, but is that scene at the twins a possible hint at her turning up there in disguise? Dany is clearly contemplating the voyage to Westeros and the magnitude of the decision has hit her. Jon and Sansa have obviously had words about Littlefinger's unexpected arrival and clearly it's a 'no more secrets' discussion as well as the obvious confrontation with Melisandre. More a tying up of loose ends and clearing the decks episode for them I think.

EagererBeaver

Daith wrote: »

People expecting a

Red Wedding 2.0 except Jaime is there with his plot armour. Unless Jaime executed a Red Wedding himself?

Is Jaime on Arya's list? Walder Frey is the only one who needs to die.

CMOTDibbler

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Is Jaime on Arya's list? Walder Frey is the only one who needs to die.

Yep, Walder getting stuck with the pointy end would be most pleasing.

Falthyron

Half expecting Cersei to walk in to her trial with a smile on her face knowing she has an ace up her sleeve. After being found guilty she tells the seven septons that if she isn't allowed to leave freely she will blow the entire city up.

What's going to happen at the Twins? If it is some sort of RW2 or Stark revenge, who will be the avengers/aggressors? I'm intrigued about this.

Daith

Can we at least get something like

"I heard a wolf pack howling last night"

EagererBeaver

stankratz wrote: »

What's going to happen at the Twins? If it is some sort of RW2 or Stark revenge, who will be the avengers/aggressors? I'm intrigued about this.

Hopefully Arya which would put her in the Riverlands and hopefully lead to a Nymeria reunion.

Conall Cernach

Falthyron wrote: »

Half expecting Cersei to walk in to her trial with a smile on her face knowing she has an ace up her sleeve. After being found guilty she tells the seven septons that if she isn't allowed to leave freely she will blow the entire city up.

Well Tyrion helpfully reminded the audience that the mad king stuck a load of wildfire under the Sept.

PressRun

Bran tripping balls perhaps leading to the big reveal about Jon.

Baelish to remind Sansa that he doesn't dole out favours and to start really driving a wedge between her and Jon.

Brotherhood to stage an ambush at the Twins perhaps.

jebidiah

I think Baelish will try get jiggy with Sansa, he is very creepy in the preview.

Lancel is shown walking out of the sept with his weapon. What if....

During the trial there is a commotion out side, Lancel goes to take a look, the camera follows along behind his shoulder, and as we step outside... the mountain is ripping faith militant members to shreds, blood and guts all over him, he cuts down Lancel, barges into the sept and goes to town on everyone there. Like a juggernaut.

Cersei then pulls the rug out from the sparrows legs and burns the sept to the ground.

klose

I wonder if cersei came out publicly about tommens real parentage, thus confirming he's a bastard and not a true heir to the throne and throwing a massive spanner in the works?

googled eyes

Baelish is basically Quagmire

TonyCliftonEsq

It is wall to wall bastards

Savage Tyrant

klose wrote: »

I wonder if cersei came out publicly about tommens real parentage, thus confirming he's a bastard and not a true heir to the throne and throwing a massive spanner in the works?

Unlikely... It would be an immediate death sentence for her AND Tommen.

Hopefully Jon Snow's true parentage is revealed.
I think we'll probably see Danys armies starting to board ships at the end.

Son0vagun

The big reveal will be that Lyanna, has twins!

RobbingBandit

I want to see Jamie kill Cersei then fall on his own sword like the great noble hero he aspires to be, rather ironically only he himself is worthy enough to kill Jamie Lannister.

This I think will be the joke as there are no men like him only he himself.

Conall Cernach

It's been a fair while since the *shudder* Sand Snakes showed up, surely they're due a reappearance. I really, really hope they have no part of significance to play in the future such as killing Tommen or Cersei.

J. Marston

Conall Cernach wrote: »

It's been a fair while since the *shudder* Sand Snakes showed up, surely they're due a reappearance. I really, really hope they have no part of significance to play in the future such as killing Tommen or Cersei.

I'm guessing that's where Varys is off to. Martells hate the Lannisters, more numbers for Dany.

Owryan

Who's wedding are people talking about? ie "red wedding 2"

RobbingBandit

Big revel will be Lyanna + Robert = Jon I think. Makes more sense for him to be Roberts bastard. His black hair, he looks very like Renly and Benjen combined. Ned would have seen how Robert was with his bastards by claiming Jon as his own allowed him to ensure the safety of his sisters son. Jon has no Targaryen features. No silver/gold hair or purple eyes being the dominant ones.

aligator_am

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Yep, Walder getting stuck with the pointy end would be most pleasing.

Yeah that would be nice to see

Actually, that's got me thinking, I wonder is Arya now able to cut someone's face off and wear it the way the faceless men do or does it need to be one that they prepared earlier Blue Peter style?

Would be a nice twist if she impersonated Walder's latest young wife then sliced him up.

aligator_am

J. Marston wrote: »

I'm guessing that's where Varys is off to. Martells hate the Lannisters, more numbers for Dany.

I'd say you're right to be honest,

I know in the books he turned up somewhere else, but I seem to remember there were a lot of fan theories about Varys' connection to Dornish masterplan.

Falthyron

aligator_am wrote: »

I'd say you're right to be honest,

I know in the books he turned up somewhere else, but I seem to remember there were a lot of fan theories about Varys' connection to Dornish masterplan.

I agree, but...

There was a scene in one of the original trailers for Season 6 of children killing someone. The same children Qyburn referred to as Lord Varys' little birds. This could be the scene we know from the end of the last book where Varys' children kill Ser Kevan Lannister.

jebidiah

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Big revel will be Lyanna + Robert = Jon I think. Makes more sense for him to be Roberts bastard. His black hair, he looks very like Renly and Benjen combined. Ned would have seen how Robert was with his bastards by claiming Jon as his own allowed him to ensure the safety of his sisters son. Jon has no Targaryen features. No silver/gold hair or purple eyes being the dominant ones.

You mean the way he had all of them looked after their whole lives?

It was Cersei who killed the bastards once the rumour got around that Jeoffry etc were children of incest.

The Robert + L = J theory doesn't make sense at all, as Robert would have wanted exactly that.

Savage Tyrant

jebidiah wrote: »

You mean the way he had all of them looked after their whole lives?

It was Cersei who killed the bastards once the rumour got around that Jeoffry etc were children of incest.

The Robert + L = J theory doesn't make sense at all, as Robert would have wanted exactly that.

Agreed. That theory makes no sense. Even if born outside wedlock, Jon as a child of Robert and Lyanna would have been the apple of Robert's eye and certainly in no danger and need to be hid.

wp_rathead

Finale could be chocoblock with following

• Sam, Sam, Gilly and Heartsbane
• Euron and his fleet
• Dorne... i know lads but needs to be addressed at some point
• Jorah and his search for Greyscale Cure
• Where will Ayra pop up
• Where will Varys pop up
• Cersei Trial
• BWB
• Brienne and Pod
• Bran, Meera and Benji - and hopefully some more flashbacks (wink wink nudge nudge)
• Frey and Lannister celebration feast
• Davos and Mel arguments / Jon, Sansa and Littlefinger arguments

BoJack Horseman

jebidiah wrote: »

The Robert + L = J theory doesn't make sense at all, as Robert would have wanted exactly that.

"R" doesn't stand for 'Robert'

Washington Irving

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

"R" doesn't stand for 'Robert'

Read the post Jebidiah was replying to

Witcher

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

"R" doesn't stand for 'Robert'

He's referring to a post above where the poster says they think Robert is Jon's father.

BoJack Horseman

Is that white bird Bran's new identity?

The 3-eyed Raven is no more, now cometh the 'white hawk'.... or some such?

We need to see Bran again, after all, the episode is named for that whole thing.

wp_rathead

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Is that white bird Bran's new identity?

The 3-eyed Raven is no more, now cometh the 'white hawk'.... or some such?

We need to see Bran again, after all, the episode is named for that whole thing.

Guessing it is the gift of the bird that Littlefinger gave Robyn

PTH2009

i thought Davos knew about the Princess (stannis daughter) being killed

why does the white walker king want to rule the 7 kingdoms ??? would be funny to see the Whitewalkers attacking Kings Landing or something

Witcher

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Is that white bird Bran's new identity?

The 3-eyed Raven is no more, now cometh the 'white hawk'.... or some such?

We need to see Bran again, after all, the episode is named for that whole thing.

White raven is a sign from the Citadel that winter has arrived.

One arrived in King's Landing in a previous season to signal the end of the summer and the start of autumn.

EagererBeaver

PTH2009 wrote: »

i thought Davos knew about the Princess (stannis daughter) being killed

why does the white walker king want to rule the 7 kingdoms ??? would be funny to see the Whitewalkers attacking Kings Landing or something

No, hence the discovery of the pyre she was burnt on this week...

Who said anything about the Night King ruling the seven kingdoms? I imagine that if he completes his plan, there won't be seven kingdoms to rule as everyone will be dead.

duploelabs

wp_rathead wrote: »

Finale could be chocoblock with following

• Brienne and Pod
  

Don't think we'll ever see then again as they're last seen rowing away on a boat

kingshankly

duploelabs wrote: »

Don't think we'll ever see then again as they're last seen rowing away on a boat

Hope the didn't go in the same direction as gendry

golfball37

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Big revel will be Lyanna + Robert = Jon I think. Makes more sense for him to be Roberts bastard. His black hair, he looks very like Renly and Benjen combined. Ned would have seen how Robert was with his bastards by claiming Jon as his own allowed him to ensure the safety of his sisters son. Jon has no Targaryen features. No silver/gold hair or purple eyes being the dominant ones.

l
That's just not possible as Robert and Lyanna never lay together, she was his bethrowned never his lover.

TheIrishGrover

My predictions:
Jamie, Milisandre AND Davos go.
Last few scenes:
1: Davos kills Mellisandre (She lets him. She's lost her faith in herself)
2: Davos dies. Not sure how. Maybe John tries to stop him?
3: Jamie goes. Frey guy he slapped about will kill him without approval from elder Frey. Everyone shocked and scared. Know they are doomed when Cercie hears.
4: Cercie will burn KL to the ground next scene (Although she still won't know he's dead).
5: Dany leaves on her ships.
6: Wall comes crashing down and Knight's King walks towards the screen. Done! No music. No battle at the wall; We will never see that. Nothing