Allowed to cycle on Grafton St

average_runner

Was on Grafton Street around 8.30 this morning, almost got hit twice by bikes on it.

Are bikes allowed on Grafton st? As there were alot cycling on it

wench

It isn't a pedestrian zone at that hour of the morning. To allow deliveries, vehicles (including bikes) are allowed until 11am

average_runner

wench wrote: »

It isn't a pedestrian zone at that hour of the morning. To allow deliveries, vehicles (including bikes) are allowed until 11am

Thats quiet dangerous then, because there is no designated walk or cycle area at that time.

A silly idea by Dublin Council.

BabysCoffee

I cycle on a Dublin bike on Grafton Street at all times of the day.

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BabysCoffee wrote: »

I cycle on a Dublin bike on Grafton Street at all times of the day.

If true, you deserve to be shot ,or at least fined by AGS *




* I do not condone violence

endacl

BabysCoffee wrote: »

I cycle on a Dublin bike on Grafton Street at all times of the day.

Yeah. Don't do that.

Saipanne

I often see cyclists bombing it down Grafton St on a busy Saturday. Evil Knievel types.

What can ya do?

magicbastarder

average_runner wrote: »

Thats quiet dangerous then, because there is no designated walk or cycle area at that time.

A silly idea by Dublin Council.

i walk up grafton street most mornings. i wouldn't call it a danger zone.

D3V!L

Kennedi Jealous Selflessness wrote: »

If true, you deserve to be shot ,or at least fined by AGS *

I prefer my method, a slight side step because i didnt "see" them


Resulting in someone having a bad day and it sure as hell wont be me

Wishbone Ash

average_runner wrote: »

...A silly idea by Dublin Council.

What would you prefer - empty shops and restaurants?

07Lapierre

average_runner wrote: »

Thats quiet dangerous then, because there is no designated walk or cycle area at that time.

A silly idea by Dublin Council.

How is it dangerous?

Saipanne

07Lapierre wrote: »

How is it dangerous?

I got hit by a bike once. It hurts.

The Moldy Gowl

D3V!L wrote: »

I prefer my method, a slight side step because i didnt "see" them


Resulting in someone having a bad day and it sure as hell wont be me

So you get knocked down??

07Lapierre

Saipanne wrote: »

I got hit by a bike once. It hurts.

Was this on graft on street during the " pedestrians only" time zone? If yes then you were knocked down by a numpty who should not have been Cycing on the path. If it was outside the pedestrian hours, then you were knocked down by a numpty on a bike who should have more "cop on"

These thing happen though.

average_runner

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

What would you prefer - empty shops and restaurants?

How will bikes fill shops and restaurants at 830 am? Who goes to a restaurant at 830 am on grafton st?

Saipanne

07Lapierre wrote: »

Was this on graft on street during the " pedestrians only" time zone? If yes then you were knocked down by a numpty who should not have been Cycing on the path. If it was outside the pedestrian hours, then you were knocked down by a numpty on a bike who should have more "cop on"

These thing happen though.

No, it was on Dame Lane. I'm just saying that being hit by a bike can cause harm, though not life threatening, but there is some "danger" involved.

07Lapierre

Saipanne wrote: »

No, it was on Dame Lane. I'm just saying that being hit by a bike can cause harm, though not life threatening, but there is some "danger" involved.

Getting out of bed in the morning can be "dangerous"!

Saipanne

07Lapierre wrote: »

Getting out of bed in the morning can be "dangerous"!

OK. So bikes can't be dangerous? I don't get what you're saying here.

ThisRegard

average_runner wrote: »

Thats quiet dangerous then, because there is no designated walk or cycle area at that time.

A silly idea by Dublin Council.

It's been like this for years, I used to work in Grafton Street in the 90s and wasn't pushed on cycling it myself at the time as there was too many people around.

daisy123

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

What would you prefer - empty shops and restaurants?

I think it meant that they would be empty of things to sell/feed you if the delivery trucks can't make their way to their stores...

As an aside though, DCC (I think) did a study a while back that showed that cyclists actually do spend a high enough amount in city centre shops, possibly even higher than car users, but I can't remember exactly now so happy tp be corrected.

CosmicSmash

Saipanne wrote: »

I often see cyclists bombing it down Grafton St on a busy Saturday. Evil Knievel types.

What can ya do?

Plant your feet and hit them with a clothesline. That'll wipe the smile off their face quick enough.

07Lapierre

I'm sayin cycling on Grafton St. when it's not a pedestrian zone is not dangerous. The decision by DCC to allow vehicles on Grafton St. At certain times is not "silly".

Accidents happen and are usually caused by stupid people. DCC can't control the actions of stupid people.

Saipanne

07Lapierre wrote: »

I'm sayin cycling on Grafton St. when it's not a pedestrian zone is not dangerous. The decision by DCC to allow vehicles on Grafton St. At certain times is not "silly".

Accidents happen and are usually caused by stupid people. DCC can't control the actions of stupid people.

That's fine. But I'm sure you'll agree that a bike going full speed hitting a standing pedestrian is dangerous. That's what I was saying.

Anyway, back to Grafton St.

Atlantic Dawn

Try going there at night with the rickshaws running, it's insane nobody has been killed.

martingriff

D3V!L wrote: »

Kennedi Jealous Selflessness wrote: »

If true, you deserve to be shot ,or at least fined by AGS *

I prefer my method, a slight side step because i didnt "see" them


Resulting in someone having a bad day and it sure as hell wont be me

I have a friend who got knocked down and was in an induced coma due to getting hit by a bike. Has never been the same since.

07Lapierre

CosmicSmash wrote: »

Plant your feet and hit them with a clothesline. That'll wipe the smile off their face quick enough.

I've been tempted to do this so many times!

ted1

average_runner wrote: »

Thats quiet dangerous then, because there is no designated walk or cycle area at that time.

A silly idea by Dublin Council.

You can also drive in it at those hours

brianomc

average_runner wrote: »

Thats quiet dangerous then, because there is no designated walk or cycle area at that time.

A silly idea by Dublin Council.

There's a footpath on both sides, and bollards/bins/lampposts that signal where the road ends and path begins. So apart from beside Rocks where the path is fully blocked by some building work I can't see a problem. The cyclists can use the road.
When you come to the building work give a little glance over your shoulder and if it's safe, then walk on the road. I don't walk it much any more but a little common sense goes a long way.

Wishbone Ash

average_runner wrote: »

How will bikes fill shops and restaurants at 830 am? Who goes to a restaurant at 830 am on grafton st?

Shops and restaurants require stock to sell. This stock is delivered by commercial vehicles who require access to deliver as many premises on Grafton Street do not have rear access.

(And regarding who goes to a restaurant at 8.30 - have you never had breakfast out? I'm much more likely to be in a restaurant at 8.30am than at 8.30pm).

07Lapierre

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Shops and restaurants require stock to sell. This stock is delivered by commercial vehicles who require access to deliver as many premises on Grafton Street do not have rear access.

(And regarding who goes to a restaurant at 8.30 - have you never had breakfast out? I'm much more likely to be in a restaurant at 8.30am than at 8.30pm).

Maybe the restaurnat Staff have to be in early to accept the deliveries??

beauf

average_runner wrote: »

How will bikes fill shops and restaurants at 830 am? Who goes to a restaurant at 830 am on grafton st?

Quite a few things are open at that time.

Many places do breakfast, and some shops are open.

Macy0161

Saipanne wrote: »

That's fine. But I'm sure you'll agree that a bike going full speed hitting a standing pedestrian is dangerous. That's what I was saying.

We've seen in pretty recent and high profile (and tragic) case that a pedestrian knocking a cyclist off a bike can be pretty dangerous too, so those suggesting an "accidental" side step as a solution should also have a bit of cop on. "They shouldn't have been there anyway" wouldn't clear my conscious if I did something to deliberately to knock someone off that ended up with a similar outcome...

Zillah

D3V!L wrote: »

I prefer my method, a slight side step because i didnt "see" them


Resulting in someone having a bad day and it sure as hell wont be me

Ah yes, I see. Someone behaves in a way that is ever so slightly dangerous, and to show them how wrong they are, you deliberately cause a collision. Totally have the moral high ground there.

average_runner

07Lapierre wrote: »

I'm sayin cycling on Grafton St. when it's not a pedestrian zone is not dangerous. The decision by DCC to allow vehicles on Grafton St. At certain times is not "silly".

Accidents happen and are usually caused by stupid people. DCC can't control the actions of stupid people.

When i said "silly", what I meant is that there is no clear divide for the cyclist or walker, they could easily go into each other.

average_runner

brianomc wrote: »

There's a footpath on both sides, and bollards/bins/lampposts that signal where the road ends and path begins. So apart from beside Rocks where the path is fully blocked by some building work I can't see a problem. The cyclists can use the road.
When you come to the building work give a little glance over your shoulder and if it's safe, then walk on the road. I don't walk it much any more but a little common sense goes a long way.

There is no footpath, its all at the same level. And you can't use the side that much in the morning as its blocked off with deliveries.

It just caught me by surprise this morning, no problem with it

07Lapierre

average_runner wrote: »

When i said "silly", what I meant is that there is no clear divide for the cyclist or walker, they could easily go into each other.

So its DCC responsibility to ensure cyclist and walkers don't run into each other?
what happened to personal responsibility?

If a cyclist and a pedestrian collide, its probably because:
1. the cyclist was not looking or paying attention
2. the pedestrian was not looking or paying attention
3. A combination of 1 and 2.

As others have pointed out..On Grafton street, there are bollards which do "divide" the street. so it should be clear to most, where they can or cannot walk/cycle. (outside the Pedestrian only hours)

Having said that I do think anyone who cycles on Grafton Street at any time should do so cautiously as most pedestrians assume its a pedestrian zone 24 hours a day.

Edit: I don't condone anyone who cycles in a Pedestrain zone. its illeagal anyway. Dont do it.

Wishbone Ash

average_runner wrote: »

When i said "silly", what I meant is that there is no clear divide for the cyclist or walker, they could easily go into each other.

When a clear divide is provided, it doesn't stop pedestrians using the cycle track - e.g. Clontarf/Sutton track as well as many others where cyclists are likely to being travelling faster than on Grafton Street.

brianomc

average_runner wrote: »

There is no footpath, its all at the same level. And you can't use the side that much in the morning as its blocked off with deliveries.

It just caught me by surprise this morning, no problem with it

It doesn't have to be raised up to be a footpath. It's obvious to 99.9% of the people that the bit between the shops and bollards is the path and the other bit in the middle is the road. The vans/trucks generally pull in on the McDonalds side of the road leaving the Brown Thomas side free for vehicles to move along.

Delivery drivers shouldn't be blocking the path. Make a complaint to the shop involved if you wish.

Any cyclist who races down a busy Grafton Street is a dick. I don't think anyone here will dispute that.

Zillah

Deedsie wrote: »

I have a problem with it during pedestrian hours, it's just ignorant and asshole behaviour. It's intimidating for elderly people, vision impaired people and nervous people in general. I'd love to see AGS fining people for it. Alas enforcement of this along with many things ain't going to happen.

The cyclists doing it don't care a damn what impact it has on others whether cycling on the footpath or in pedestrian areas.

I agree. I stand beside the bike, put one foot on the pedal and treat it like a scooter, going at slightly-more-than-walking-pace. It also allows you to transform into a normal pedestrian instantly if anyone looks at you funny.

Fireball XL5

Storm in a teacup.

Jawgap

Saipanne wrote: »

I often see cyclists bombing it down Grafton St on a busy Saturday. Evil Knievel types.

What can ya do?

What? Dead, on a motorbike?

The usual reference is "Lance Armstrong wannabe" or, if you want to be more current, "Bradley Wiggins wannabes"

Unknown Soldier

07Lapierre wrote: »

Getting out of bed in the morning can be "dangerous"!

Unknown Soldier

Deedsie wrote: »

You'll damage your pedal putting all your weight on it like that. Also you will be despised by every pedestrian you pass as an inconsiderate sap.

Unknown Soldier

Deedsie wrote: »

Two fine contributions...

Did it make you question yours?

Wishbone Ash

Deedsie wrote: »

You'll damage your pedal putting all your weight on it like that....

Much more pressure will be applied as one's weight transfers from pedal to pedal while out of the saddle on a long steep climb.

average_runner

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

When a clear divide is provided, it doesn't stop pedestrians using the cycle track - e.g. Clontarf/Sutton track as well as many others where cyclists are likely to being travelling faster than on Grafton Street.

Yes but that's a different topic, we are talking about Grafton st

Zillah

Deedsie wrote: »

Also you will be despised by every pedestrian you pass as an inconsiderate sap.

When will we be saved from the slightly-more-than-walking-pace menace?