macOS 10.12 "Sierra"

Sad Professor

With Siri for Mac and other enhancements.

Public beta next month, followed by release in September.

http://www.apple.com/macos/sierra-preview/

System requirements:
MacBook, iMac: Late 2009 or newer
MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, Mac Pro: 2010 or newer

Cabaal

Not seeing anything really ground breaking I must say, voice commands can be just annoying

Sad Professor

Siri has improved a lot recently and it seems there's more upgrades on the way. We're also finally getting an Irish localisation which should make it a lot more useful over here.

However, the biggest Mac news wasn't even mentioned in the keynote: a new filesystem for 2017 to replace the antiquated HFS filesystem.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/13/apple-file-system-apfs/

Doodah7

Sad Professor wrote: »

Siri has improved a lot recently and it seems there's more upgrades on the way. We're also finally getting an Irish localisation which should make it a lot more useful over here.

However, the biggest Mac news wasn't even mentioned in the keynote: a new filesystem for 2017 to replace the antiquated HFS filesystem.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/13/apple-file-system-apfs/

This new file system is the clearest sign yet that Apple will go with all machines using a SSD by the time APFS is released. That would would mean the base model iMac and the cMBP being upgraded/deleted respectively.

Zcott

Siri and auto-unlock for me are enough to make me upgrade in a heartbeat. The unified clipboard and universal desktop and documents folder are also great upgrades.

Sad Professor

Has anyone installed the public beta? If so how you are getting along with it? What's stability like?

IamMetaldave

Sad Professor wrote: »

Has anyone installed the public beta? If so how you are getting along with it? What's stability like?

I'm downloading it now. I'm looking for info around the net for anyone who has installed it on a Mid 2013 Macbook Air before I commit to is

Update
Seems to be a mixed bag of experiences here. I think I'll hold off..

fjon

Sad Professor wrote: »

Has anyone installed the public beta? If so how you are getting along with it? What's stability like?

I've been playing around with it over the last few days. As usual there are quite a few things that don't work with it, but it's no worse than any previous beta.

I don't think I've used any of the new features on it.

Albert_Camus

I've installed it on 2016 MacBook. No problems with my uses so far. Tabbed finder is about all I use from new features.

Zcott

Albert_Camus wrote: »

I've installed it on 2016 MacBook. No problems with my uses so far. Tabbed finder is about all I use from new features.

Wasn't tabbed finder in El Cap too?

Boskowski

Sad Professor wrote: »

Siri has improved a lot recently and it seems there's more upgrades on the way. We're also finally getting an Irish localisation which should make it a lot more useful over here.

However, the biggest Mac news wasn't even mentioned in the keynote: a new filesystem for 2017 to replace the antiquated HFS filesystem.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/13/apple-file-system-apfs/

Me: Hey Siri.

Siri: Well boy...


New FS is great news btw.

Albert_Camus

Zcott wrote: »

Wasn't tabbed finder in El Cap too?

Maybe. I wasn't aware one of the features of Sierra is adding tabs to nearly all apple apps. So I tried it out in finder, but I guess finder may have had it all along.

shanec1928

Zcott wrote: »

Wasn't tabbed finder in El Cap too?

it was

Albert_Camus

shanec1928 wrote: »

it was

ha, well guess I'm back to using none of the Sierra features

ZENER

Zcott wrote: »

Wasn't tabbed finder in El Cap too?

It's also in Yosemite, very useful !

Ken

Sad Professor

Finder tabs are useless to me without a single window mode that forces new windows to always open as a tab. 99 percent of time when I open a new Finder window I'm doing it from an app (Reveal in Finder, etc), so I still end up with a million Finder windows open. I can merge them, but there's no default keyboard shortcut for this and while I added one I can never remember it and just end up hitting cmd-alt-W and starting over.

If anyone wants to tell me this has been fixed in Sierra it would be music to my ears.

faceman

Sad Professor wrote: »

Finder tabs are useless to me without a single window mode that forces new windows to always open as a tab. 99 percent of time when I open a new Finder window I'm doing it from an app (Reveal in Finder, etc), so I still end up with a million Finder windows open. I can merge them, but there's no default keyboard shortcut for this and while I added one I can never remember it and just end up hitting cmd-alt-W and starting over.

If anyone wants to tell me this has fixed in Sierra it would be music to my ears.

Yes to this!

The Black Oil

Have read event thread in the Apple Devices forum, but not caught up on any OS news.

Is there much to expect here?

FourFourRED

The Black Oil wrote: »

Have read event thread in the Apple Devices forum, but not caught up on any OS news.

Is there much to expect here?

Mac OS wasn't really mentioned today. However we do have a release date which is earlier than usual. 20th September. GM is out now for developers.

Sad Professor

This is out on the 20th. But the GM is available now to public beta users if anyone wants to update early.

IamMetaldave

Siri's Irish accent is awful! Anyway to change it to the ameerican one without changing locations?g

Albert_Camus

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Siri's Irish accent is awful! Anyway to change it to the ameerican one without changing locations?g

i just changed it in System Preferences -> Siri

IamMetaldave

Albert_Camus wrote: »

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Siri's Irish accent is awful! Anyway to change it to the ameerican one without changing locations?g

i just changed it in System Preferences -> Siri

Uuuggghhhh How did I miss it there? cHEERS!

IamMetaldave

Lads, Sierra seems to be blowing the fans on my Macbook Air constantly! With no apps open or anything. Nothing strange in system monitor - no high cpu/ram usage). Just big noisy fans!!

Albert_Camus

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Lads, Sierra seems to be blowing the fans on my Macbook Air constantly! With no apps open or anything. Nothing strange in system monitor - no high cpu/ram usage). Just big noisy fans!!

Time to dump the fans and get a MacBook?

IamMetaldave

Albert_Camus wrote: »

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Lads, Sierra seems to be blowing the fans on my Macbook Air constantly! With no apps open or anything. Nothing strange in system monitor - no high cpu/ram usage). Just big noisy fans!!

Time to dump the fans and get a MacBook?

It's 3 spots down on my list of Apple priorities at the moment Unless it drives me utterly around the bend!

Sad Professor

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Lads, Sierra seems to be blowing the fans on my Macbook Air constantly! With no apps open or anything. Nothing strange in system monitor - no high cpu/ram usage). Just big noisy fans!!

Did you just install? It's probably indexing and scanning photos, which can take a few hours.

IamMetaldave

Sad Professor wrote: »

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Lads, Sierra seems to be blowing the fans on my Macbook Air constantly! With no apps open or anything. Nothing strange in system monitor - no high cpu/ram usage). Just big noisy fans!!

Did you just install? It's probably indexing and scanning photos, which can take a few hours.

Installed on Monday, it's been on since. I also moved photos and docs to iCloud.

Doodah7

Out officially now.

Narcissus

On the MAS now, had to search for it though.

Doodah7

Done but took an hour and a half to download and install, even with an SSD. Seems much the same. Siri works fine.

sdevine89

Picture in Picture is an utter game changer imo.

maximum12

Performance wise, is this going to be a problem on older macs ?

IamMetaldave

My Air is 4 years old next Feb and it is having no issues what so ever. In fact, after the initial indexing issue I had I would say it is faster and it freed a huge amount of space!

laoisfan

Just updated on my MacBook Pro (November 2011 model) which has SSD. Took the best part of 90 minutes to download & install. Still as fast as the date I bought it. Sira is on it...turned it off straight away. All in all haven't noticed much difference though haven't really played with it yet.

maximum12

Good summary of the new features: http://help.apple.com/macOS/Sierra/WN/#/intro-WN

Doodah7

I'm finding the new integrated iCloud Drive functionality really useful. Really handy to have access to all my Mac files on my phone and iPad.

faceman

Indexing really slowed my iMac down and even now after its done machine still runs slower than last OS. Particularly MS office and Adobe products. Safari is slow to respond too.

Any tips?

Sad Professor

Try clearing Safari's cache. Adobe/MS usually need an update to work properly with new versions of OS X.

Also are you sure it's not still doing something in the b.g.? Photo scanning, iCloud uploading, etc. Have a look in Activity Monitor to confirm.

Zapp Brannigan

Don't have the option to unlock using my Watch. On an early 2013 MBP Retina 15" which according to the website should be supported.

The Black Oil

Installed it on my 2015 refurbished iMac. Took about 30-40 minutes. I don't know if it's a gesture I'm doing by accident, but occasionally something happens when I'm browsing and the font size reduces by about 3 levels. It's a little annoying.

Zcott

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Don't have the option to unlock using my Watch. On an early 2013 MBP Retina 15" which according to the website should be supported.

Make sure you have two step authentication turned on.

whiterebel

Won't unlock with the watch for me, as its a 2012 MBA. Bugger.

Zapp Brannigan

Zcott wrote: »

Make sure you have two step authentication turned on.

Yeah it is. Still not working.

BreadnBuddha

Running on my 2015 Macbook 12, mid 2015 MBP 15 and 2014 Mac Mini with no issues. Using MS Office, FCPX and AutoCAD, all working perfectly.

Quick and simple upgrade with no issues.

Pickpocket

I recently restored my mid-2012 MBP to factory settings and just started from scratch. So I'm back on Snow Leopard but it feels so responsive. It's like a new machine. These days it's only for casual use so the older OS doesn't bother me. However, I sure do love free stuff so I can't help but be tempted by Sierra. However am I asking for trouble? Surely my four year old machine will start to feel sluggish with a brand new OS?

Sad Professor

My 2011 Air is running Sierra fine. A gradual slowing down will happen over the course of OS updates. It will affect different models differently but it's inevitable unfortunately.

Snow Leopard is no longer supported with security updates so continue to use it your own risk. Especially Safari.

Pickpocket

Sad Professor wrote: »

Snow Leopard is no longer supported with security updates so continue to use it your own risk. Especially Safari.

Well that's that answered. Sierra it is.

Thanks!

The Black Oil

Machine seems to wake more quickly than it did on El Capitan.

The Black Oil

Netflix was acting up in Safari earlier.

Where do I see external drives in Finder? I'm trying to copy a file and the drive isn't showing up? If I remove it manually it complains I've not ejected it properly, yet I can't eject it the normal way because it's not listed. I've used this drive before.

Sad Professor

Anytime I disconnect my (iPhone) headphones either iTunes starts playing or Siri activates. Anyone else having this problem?