Criterium de Dauphine 2016 - mod warning in post 223 and OP

funnights74

First stage was today, only 4 Kms but up a "wall", average of 9% with ramps of 14% and 15%. a hell of a result for Dan Martin in that company.

1.
CONTADOR A.
TNK 11' 36''
2.
PORTE R.
BMC 00' 06''
3.
FROOME C.
SKY 00' 13''
4.
MARTIN D.
EQS 00' 21''

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griffin100

Great to see something different for a prologue rather the usual flat few kms. Nice to see Sam Bennet in action although at the opposite end of the field to Dan.

Steve SilverMint

That uphill prologue was a brilliant start to Dauphine, it's going to be some battle for GC. Great effort from Dan but a real pity Eurosports cameras didn't focus on him whatsoever.

omri

Steve SilverMint wrote: »

That uphill prologue was a brilliant start to Dauphine, it's going to be some battle for GC. Great effort from Dan but a real pity Eurosports cameras didn't focus on him whatsoever.

I tried to watch it today on eurosport missed the most of it but from what they said on air low clouds prevented helicopters use so appatently only start and finish cameras were available. And its not eurosports cameras but the ASOs or one of the french tv channel that feeds the ES channel with the footage. Same story with tdf, giro and vuelta accordingly.

dastardly00

Anybody know why Wout Poels was last off the start ramp, rather than defending champion Chris Froome?

Edit: A bit of Googling has told me that rain was predicted for the later starters so Froome decided to start earlier, rather than last. I didn't think that a rider/team could swap the start order within their team... but obviously they can. Thibaut Pinot should have started fourth last, but he swapped also. They were the only GC guys that did so though.

dastardly00

Steve SilverMint wrote: »

Great effort from Dan but a real pity Eurosports cameras didn't focus on him whatsoever.

As omri said, it's out of Eurosport's hands.

dastardly00

https://twitter.com/DanMartin86/status/739464683531476992

dastardly00

Just finished watching the highlights on Eurosport. Cracking stage. Such a pity that the TV production company did such a bad job with the live pictures.

Darkglasses

https://twitter.com/tonymartin85/status/739560898361200645

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_qShAZg2Zw

MPFGLB

Great ride by Dan Martin...he is in great form it seems

dastardly00

Strava segment for the climb from today's stage (3.6 km in length whereas the whole stage was 3.9 km). Needless to say, all the previous best times were shattered by the pros today :pac: Romain Bardet is the new KOM.

Out of the pros on Strava who also have power meters......
Louis Vervaeke (29 seconds behind Bardet on the climb) averaged 419 Watts, which equals 6.45 W/Kg (based on a weight of 65 kg from here).
Daryl Impey (33 seconds behind Bardet on the climb) averaged 462 Watts, which equals 6.6 W/Kg (based on a weight of 70 kg from here).

Obviously the weights posted on ProCyclingStats are a bit off as Impey produced more power but was slower than Veraeke

Either way it sheds some light on the kind of power that the pros can output when the climb essentially encapsulates the whole stage and everyone is in good condition.

Impey and Vervaeke finished the stage in 26th and 28th place respectively.

pelevin

I suppose the 2 standouts in terms of eye-catching Contador for winning & Dan Martin for putting in such a great ride. Sam Bennett perhaps a bit lucky to still allowed be in the race after finishing 5 minutes 7 seconds down to the winner of the stage who had a total time of 11 minutes 36!

dastardly00

pelevin wrote: »

I suppose the 2 standouts in terms of eye-catching Contador for winning & Dan Martin for putting in such a great ride. Sam Bennett perhaps a bit lucky to still allowed be in the race after finishing 5 minutes 7 seconds down to the winner of the stage with a total time of 11 minutes 36!

There was no time limit so he was okay.... but still, he finished 29 seconds behind the second last place rider. I don't know if Sam was really struggling or if it was a tactical move for tomorrow's stage.... I suppose we'll find out tomorrow!

pelevin

dastardly00 wrote: »

There was no time limit so he was okay.... but still, he finished 29 seconds behind the second last place rider. I don't know if Sam was really struggling or if it was a tactical move for tomorrow's stage.... I suppose we'll find out tomorrow!

Just pride so to stop a rider going as slow as he wanted. Presumably Sam was pretty easy about how things might have looked! Hopefully he'll finish the other end of things tomorrow.

Brian?

pelevin wrote: »

I suppose the 2 standouts in terms of eye-catching Contador for winning & Dan Martin for putting in such a great ride. Sam Bennett perhaps a bit lucky to still allowed be in the race after finishing 5 minutes 7 seconds down to the winner of the stage who had a total time of 11 minutes 36!

Contador looked superb. I can't see him being beaten this week.

I was saying to a mate yesterday that we haven't seen an in form Froome v an in form Contador at the Tour yet. The only time it came close was 2014, when they both crashed out. It'd be great to see this year. Froome v Contador v Quintana with all 3 in form would be unreal.

pelevin

Brian? wrote: »

Contador looked superb. I can't see him being beaten this week.

I was saying to a mate yesterday that we haven't seen an in form Froome v an in form Contador at the Tour yet. The only time it came close was 2014, when they both crashed out. It'd be great to see this year. Froome v Contador v Quintana with all 3 in form would be unreal.

Hopefully. Imagine how amazing it'd be if there were only something like 6-man teams so the action wasn't controlled by the robots till the final climbs!

funnights74

Todays stage of 186 Kms. No climbs of note, the gc fireworks come later in the week.

dastardly00

Kristoff, Degenkolb or Bouhanni for the stage win today, with Sam not too far behind hopefully.

Live coverage on Eurosport2 from 3pm.

pelevin

dastardly00 wrote: »

Kristoff, Degenkolb or Bouhanni for the stage win today, with Sam not too far behind hopefully.

Live coverage on Eurosport2 from 3pm.

That should have read:

"Kristoff, Degenkolb or Bouhanni to come second today, with Sam a bit in front hopefully."

Just to warn you that you came very close to betraying Ireland with that post.

Inquitus

Gotta be some bans handed out there?

neris

bit of handbags there

68 lost souls

So close for Sam. Reckon there will be lots of investigating that finish. Nearly a few fists thrown in there

Thud

68 lost souls wrote: »

So close for Sam. Reckon there will be lots of investigating that finish. Nearly a few fists thrown in there

Headbutts

Dcully

Great ride by Sam

68 lost souls

Thud wrote: »

Headbutts

Yep there were plenty of headbutts but nearly came to worse I reckon. A few riders all over the road looking like they almost pulled a few people down, mainly an AG2R rider and the Confidis/Katusha teams

Lumen

Great, another year of Carlton telling us that EBH is about to become awesome.

Zzippy

Lumen wrote: »

Great, another year of Carlton telling us that EBH is about to become awesome.

Well some day he might be right. A broken clock and all that...

happytramp

Bennet's best ever result in a WT race?

dastardly00

Absolutely fantastic ride by Sam. So close to winning, but great result nonetheless.

dastardly00

happytramp wrote: »

Bennet's best ever result in a WT race?

Yeah, in a WT race I think.
His previous best was fourth place in a Tirreno-Adriatico stage in 2013.

happytramp

He's beaten Bouhanni before and Kristoff and Degenklob a couple of times now... I'd love to see him go to the Vuelta and grab a couple of stages.

dastardly00

happytramp wrote: »

I'd love to see him go to the Vuelta and grab a couple of stages.

Is there any word actually if Sam will ride the TdF and/or the Vuelta?

TheBlaaMan

A great pics from Karen Edwards;


https://twitter.com/eddie_km/status/739864424715059200

Pudsy33

dastardly00 wrote: »

Is there any word actually if Sam will ride the TdF and/or the Vuelta?

I suspect he will be doing the Tour, his team has a wildcard

dastardly00

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I suspect he will be doing the Tour, his team has a wildcard

Bora Argon 18 also have a wildcard entry for La Vuelta as well.

happytramp

Have to say, it's great having Martin to support on the mountain stages and Bennett on the flat ones. Never a boring stage.

dastardly00

Stage 2 Crêches-sur-Saône - Chalmazel - Jeansagnière (168 km)

A nice hilly stage for the GC guys to have a little battle before the tougher mountains later on in the week. Goooooo Dan!

Live coverage on Eurosport2 at 3pm

Lusk_Doyle

Tony Gallopin ftw. He'd get my bet only for pp only has him at 14/1. Steve Cummings (50/1) or Thomas deGend (100/1) look like good e/w bets.

neris

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Tony Gallopin ftw.

so so close

Brian?

The Euroaport commentary was so bad it actually spoiled quite a good finish.

velo.2010

Brian? wrote: »

The Euroaport commentary was so bad it actually spoiled quite a good finish.

This.
Kirby reached a high point in 2014 - he came across a having a genuine interest and improving his team and rider recognition during commentary. These days he sounds like less interested in the racing and more interested in quipping his way through the afternoon. Matt Stevens is a bad match and gives Kirby rope to do what he does.

Regarding the racing today... I think some riders were caught out by that finish. It appeared to be far more difficult than had been forecast. That's some Sky team - even with Poels struggling, they still have two guys to go up the road. Tinkoff were not as weak as expected even after working through the day for Contador. Jesper Hansen was good today.

retalivity

one of the reports i read earlier had contador losing 6 seconds or so to froome, that doesnt seem to be the case anymore?

Lusk_Doyle

If the sprinters teams can't get their men over the few cat 4s tomorrow then I predict a breakaway win for Tommy V with Martin to take take a few secs from Froome with Contador right behind him.

at1withmyself

retalivity wrote: »

one of the reports i read earlier had contador losing 6 seconds or so to froome, that doesnt seem to be the case anymore?

He pulled back a few seconds all right but didn't see where....

dastardly00

retalivity wrote: »

one of the reports i read earlier had contador losing 6 seconds or so to froome, that doesnt seem to be the case anymore?

The provisional results indicated that the commissionaires had decided that there were gaps between some of the riders that finished in the lead bunch. So Contador (23rd) lost some time to Froome (8th). But then there was a change of mind and everyone from 2nd place to 30th got the same time.

dastardly00

Brian? wrote: »

The Euroaport commentary was so bad it actually spoiled quite a good finish.

Carlton's current favourite rider is Sebastian Reichenbach. He wouldn't shut up about him during the stage finale!

Lusk_Doyle

dastardly00 wrote: »

Carlton's current favourite rider is Sebastian Reichenbach. He wouldn't shut up about him during the stage finale!

Atapuma must not be riding this race.

neris

Are itv showing it live? They have a highlights show on in the evening. Ned boulting is alot more bearable then carlton.

neris

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Atapuma must not be riding this race.

Atapuma is so 2015. He moved onto simon clarke a while back but sounds like he got bored of him and has moved on

CramCycle

neris wrote: »

Are itv showing it live? They have a highlights show on in the evening. Ned boulting is alot more bearable then carlton.

They had the prlogue live on ITV 3 or 4, but didn't see it again the following days

pelevin

neris wrote: »

Are itv showing it live? They have a highlights show on in the evening. Ned boulting is alot more bearable then carlton.

I'd beg to differ. Kirby definitely is much better when with Sean Kelly all right, who manages to tone Kirby down. However last year I remember I finding Boulting with David Millar just totally unbearable. The whole point of the cycling seemed was for them an excuse to non-stop intellectualise about what was going on beneath the surface, so to speak, rendering it for me anyway impossible to just relax into the racing.