AMD RX 4xx Discussion Thread

MarkAnthony

The figures provided suggested roughly half the performance of the 1080. (They reckon in AotS the 1080 gets 59FPS and 2x RX 480's in Xfire gets 62FPS*)

'Premium' cooler design - e.g. nicked the Fury cooler.

Specs Slide

TFLOPS > 5
CUs 36
Mem Bandwidth 256
Mem size 4/8GB GDDR5
256 Bit (Bus presumably)
150W Power

Further on:

Then we get a summary at $100 - $300... reckon the 8GB will be the $300 (Seems early articles say the €199 is 4GB - still looks like a cracking 1080p card then!)

The presenters really were the very definition of cringe.

Huge focus on the hardware/software (DX12 mainly) partnership.

My own take:

Potentially a card with c.77% (based on TFLOPS) of the performance of the 1070, with hopefully better thermals at $199 could be very interesting if AMD manage to turn nVidia's own game against them and optimise DX12 and see Vulkan implemented giving better performance. No mention of any VR specific technologies.

*There was a very odd suggestion that the 2x RX480s were only running at 51% which makes no sense - why not run one at 100% then.

Anandtech link

thegreenbean

Nice, I hope that price is real, two of those lads in xfire matching a 1080/70 for half the price. Since I don't care about VR, this is a serious release for me. Love it

TheDoc

thegreenbean wrote: »

Nice, I hope that price is real, two of those lads in xfire matching a 1080/70 for half the price. Since I don't care about VR, this is a serious release for me. Love it

I also don't care for VR, and am sticking with 1080p. While I'd been set on a 1070, I am holding to see what AMD release and what sort of performance they provide along with pricing.

I have the money to grab whatever, but I wouldn't be adverse to saving a few quid if I can. I'm also looking at a 144hz monitor that will likely set me back €250-300 so if AMD's offering is similar to a 1070 for cheaper, I might well be tempted.

Look forward to seeing benches and game benchmarks.

Redfox25

Not a huge amount of reviews yet for these. Maybe later today or tomorrow

MarkAnthony

Redfox25 wrote: »

Not a huge amount of reviews yet for these. Maybe later today or tomorrow

Nearer the end of the month I think - the card isn't actually released yet.

Performancewise I think this is going to be closer to the 970 for €200ish inc VAT.

I'm dying to know how much headroom it has - could potentially be a beast of an overclocker - the estimated core clock seems very low.

Redfox25

Cool, I have a 390x that is going back under RMA for shocking coil whine and am wondering which card will be its replacement for 1440p gaming.

Gerard_Smith

Was reading that two of these in crossfire outperform a 1080 on DX12 Ashes of the Singularity. Makes for a damned interesting price proposition. Make you wonder why Nvidia is trailing AMD so badly on DX12 and Vulcan performance.

HowAreWe

Was reading that two of these in crossfire outperform a 1080 on DX12 Ashes of the Singularity. Makes for a damned interesting price proposition. Make you wonder why Nvidia is trailing AMD so badly on DX12 and Vulcan performance.

Yup saw this doing the rounds

justsomebloke

Gerard_Smith wrote: »

Was reading that two of these in crossfire outperform a 1080 on DX12 Ashes of the Singularity.

I think that is AMD's equivalent of Nvidia saying 'look are overclocked 1080 has low temperatures'. Yes in one unique instance it might be faster but in everyday use the 1080 will probably be better.

Truthfully the price is the only thing that will sell this. It will lower the price of an entry level VR capable PC, and as a result of that AMD could be onto a winner.

Xenoronin

I can't help but feel underwhelmed... Like AMD is punching too low here. 970 performance for 200 is really nice. I get the idea of bringing VR to the masses, but considering a 970 is the minimum for a good VR experience, you really need to be saying "This beats a 970" very strongly. I don't know. I think they just aren't marketing this correctly. The more I read the more interesting it looks, but the fact that I have to dig is just a bad reflection on the marketing. Maybe the pressure to get something into Computex was too soon, but they really needed some more details to rub in NVidia's face.

TheDoc

Xenoronin wrote: »

I can't help but feel underwhelmed... Like AMD is punching too low here. 970 performance for 200 is really nice. I get the idea of bringing VR to the masses, but considering a 970 is the minimum for a good VR experience, you really need to be saying "This beats a 970" very strongly. I don't know. I think they just aren't marketing this correctly. The more I read the more interesting it looks, but the fact that I have to dig is just a bad reflection on the marketing. Maybe the pressure to get something into Computex was too soon, but they really needed some more details to rub in NVidia's face.

Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if their resources and energy are still going into the PC GPU market. Considering they have like, all the consoles which is surely a much bigger market for them, and if I'm not mistaken they also won the Apple contract, I wouldn't be overly surprised if they just provided "an option" to the PC market and focused their attention on the areas where they are really the powerhouse.

So many companies go through that phase, where they re-align resources and energies into really dominating the markets they have the edge in already.

Obviously as PC users we need competition, but when I first saw the 1080 and 1070 pricing, my initial reaction was Nvidia probably know that most PC gamers will be picking up Nvidia, and AMD were likely not going to be up to much.

Justwinginit

This is a no brainer for me. My R9 270 has served me well, but one of these will keep me going for the next few years. Time to start saving:-)

Gerard_Smith

I really wonder what their top end card is going to look like. Until Nvidia gets its head around the new APIs we may be seeing an AMD64 - Pentium 4 situation. For one generation the number 2 brand becomes the performance king.

CS Hasuki

It looks like performance is between a 390x and fury x, $199 for 4GB model, $250 for 8GB? Serious performance for the price. Very aggressive from amd.

Redfox25

Wonder will there be a 490 or 490x, that might be the top end card.

Slutmonkey57b

Looks like my assumption that Nvidia wins the top end and AMD wins the midrange/volume market might be playing out then.

I think that's fair enough, anything's better than the unholy confusing mess buyers have had the last few years with all AMD's rebadging.

Decent performance at 200 quid 1080p or 144 Hz gaming is the sales sweet spot,I suspect

Venom

HowAreWe wrote: »

Yup saw this doing the rounds

That's all well and good for benchmarking but the at the moment the reality is

1) Bugger all games coming out in the foreseeable future are using DX12

2) SLI/Crossfire is still not supported very well in the majority of games

AMD could be onto a winner if single card performance is not crazy far behind a 1070 and the 8GB model hits a $250ish price point.

TerrorFirmer

I would say it would be a good bit slower.

I'm sure that graph uses an example where crossfire scaling is excellent - which doesn't happen all that often, truth be told.

But let's assume from that, that an individual card would score 31fps versus the 1080's 58.

Looking at 1070 benchmarks and working out performance as a rough percentage of 1080 figures, I think this 480 will be a pretty long way short of a 1070.

Probably closer to GTx970 which for €200 would be really excellent.

I always pretty much ignore these types of 'official' benchmarks though, they're essentially worthless, as are dual card synthetic scores for someone when gauging real world performance.

cadete

€200 for a card as good/better than a 970 is fantastic value, great for PC gaming lets new people buy and own a really good machine at a reasonable price, €600 including that card would build a really nice machine now,

justsomebloke

well it won't be €200 once VAT and extras are factored in

Lu Tze

justsomebloke wrote: »

well it won't be €200 once VAT and extras are factored in

I feel sorry for all the people who will be shortly trying to off load second hand 970s to trade up, with this around the corner with similar performance, and new for an asking price lower than the second hand 970s on adverts at the moment

MarkAnthony

AMDs whole thrust was PC gaming for the masses. If he said 'console class' one more time as a good thing I swear to God... :pac:

However AMD's strategy here doesn't suit us as enthusiasts but is potentially a really winner.

50Million AMD APUs in consoles
100Million projected 'VR Capable class GPUs'
250Million (Presumably including the above class) other GPUs

They estimate 1.24billion PCs out there - that's pretty much bang on 25% market share of gaming hardware if you include the console side of things. A pretty logical next step is the PS5 and Xbone2 being based on a Zen+Polaris APU - with VR driving the market maybe 60-70million consoles.

That leaves nVidia doing some amazing things for the guts of 10-20 million enthusiasts; given they bought Voodoo you wonder why they can't see that coming. That said I'm sure we'll see an aggressive 1060 announced soon enough.

MarkAnthony

justsomebloke wrote: »

well it won't be €200 once VAT and extras are factored in

$199 is roughly €220 inc Irish VAT. That's at launch - we'll not be far off very soon after. I stress though that's for a 4GB card.

Venom

MarkAnthony wrote: »

$199 is roughly €220 inc Irish VAT. That's at launch - we'll not be far off very soon after. I stress though that's for a 4GB card.

My guess would be the best part of €300 for the 8GB version which is not that great a price when compared to the €400ish price of a 1070 and its 980TI beating performance.

MarkAnthony

Venom wrote: »

My guess would be the best part of €300 for the 8GB version which is not that great a price when compared to the €400ish price of a 1070 and its 980TI beating performance.

Indeed and €300 seems about right. That said the type of person this is going to appeal to would be grand with 4GB.

I don't expect to see much movement of the 4GB 480 or the 1070 or 1080 but I think we'll see some significant movement in the space between them. I think AMD has priced the 8GB 480 deliberately high to try and stop nVidia coming in too low with the 1060.

It's going to be very interesting to see if the GPU is in anyway cut down, is it underclocked, is the GDDR5 hobbling it. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see a 480X this generation. My strategy would be to position that at around the same price as the 1070 with 8GB of GDDR5X and better DX12 performance.

All supposition of course, but it's kinda fun

Lu Tze

Venom wrote: »

My guess would be the best part of €300 for the 8GB version which is not that great a price when compared to the €400ish price of a 1070 and its 980TI beating performance.

Is there euro pricing out for the 1070?

Venom

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Indeed and €300 seems about right. That said the type of person this is going to appeal to would be grand with 4GB.

I don't expect to see much movement of the 4GB 480 or the 1070 or 1080 but I think we'll see some significant movement in the space between them. I think AMD has priced the 8GB 480 deliberately high to try and stop nVidia coming in too low with the 1060.

It's going to be very interesting to see if the GPU is in anyway cut down, is it underclocked, is the GDDR5 hobbling it. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see a 480X this generation. My strategy would be to position that at around the same price as the 1070 with 8GB of GDDR5X and better DX12 performance.

All supposition of course, but it's kinda fun

It will boil down to how well the 480 does in real life benchmarks tho as all we have so far is AMD PR spiel which has not been very realistic in the past.

MarkAnthony

Venom wrote: »

It will boil down to how well the 480 does in real life benchmarks tho as all we have so far is AMD PR spiel which has not been very realistic in the past.

Never is from anyone, of course.

ED E

Have to agree with TTLs take:
https://www.facebook.com/tinytomlogan/photos/a.199509330089988.47891.188125641228357/1200473899993521/?type=3

Got sent this photoshop from an OC3D forum member. I think AMD may have really scared Nvidia in the wallet with this one. They will never win in the market share with expensive cards till they bring round the massive lower end market. 1050 and 1060 prices have just (had to) drop like a lead balloon. Well played AMD well played.

wotzgoingon

I was just thinking the new Xbox and new PS may be using a version of this GPU in their new consoles, as they are supposedly suppose to support vr which this GPU is as well. It is a cheap GPU and I doubt AMD would design three separate GPUs. Makes sense really.

grizzly

Would like one of these to replace my nvidia 770. Does anyone know if my Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 motherboard would support it?

Ri_Nollaig

grizzly wrote: »

Would like one of these to replace my nvidia 770. Does anyone know if my Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 motherboard would support it?

definitely, it will still be a standard PCIe x3.0 slot

FAILSAFE 00

Lu Tze wrote: »

I feel sorry for all the people who will be shortly trying to off load second hand 970s to trade up, with this around the corner with similar performance, and new for an asking price lower than the second hand 970s on adverts at the moment

I wouldn't be so sure. The NVIDIA driver support is first class. We usually get new drivers on the same day as major releases optimised for those games.

In my case I also have a G-Sync monitor so AMD isn't an option.

Also the price here will be well over €200.

SterlingArcher

I don't think nvidia gives as much rats about the lower end now. They're moving on to power Ai.

It shows in their strategy with pascal "founders" pricing. cough " twunts" . A 1080ti is now going to be closer to 1000 euro in pricing.

I'd say They will coast on 1070 sales.

At least I hope this. Don't want them owning lower end market too. Not good for consumers in the end.

Redfox25

I wouldnt like to see AMD not compete in the upper end market though, it would leave Nvidia with no competition which can only be a bad thing for us.

Hopefully there is a 490 on the cards too or a fury x reloaded

salamanca22

We should be seeing AMD's hard hitters closer to October when vega is announced. AMD know what they are doing though. Something like 80% of the market are in the rx480 price range. it's still gonna be a 1080 for me though. I am coasting on integrated graphics right now and cannot make it to winter!

SterlingArcher

salamanca22 wrote: »

We should be seeing AMD's hard hitters closer to October when vega is announced. AMD know what they are doing though. Something like 80% of the market are in the rx480 price range. it's still gonna be a 1080 for me though. I am coasting on integrated graphics right now and cannot make it to winter!

Ha did you jump ship to sale high.and now in the no gpu que.

salamanca22

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Ha did you jump ship to sale high.and now in the no gpu que.

Nah :P I built a new rig and am waiting to finish it with a gfx card. Going all out this time, 6700k, 1tb m.2 ssd 32 gigs of ram etc etc. Would be a shame to not get the best gpu :P

Redfox25

Cant wait for Vega to land , new card pls

SterlingArcher

salamanca22 wrote: »

Nah :P I built a new rig and am waiting to finish it with a gfx card. Going all out this time, 6700k, 1tb m.2 ssd 32 gigs of ram etc etc. Would be a shame to not get the best gpu :P

Ha coo cool. Looks solid. Case?

What monitor / running vr?

salamanca22

SterlingArcher wrote: »

Ha coo cool. Looks solid. Case?

What monitor / running vr?

Yeah I am working in a studio working on VR stuff right now so spend a few hours in virtual reality a day. Mostly at the office though but it will be nice to get proper performance at home too to chill out in VR without working on things :P

Using an older asus monitor right now. Was waiting to see AMD's offerings before deciding on a monitor. Since it looks like I am going green this time I will be looking at some gsync monitors, which I am not exactly happy about due to the massive price tacked on.

I figure though I will be using this PC for hours a day for at least 5 years so why not invest right now in the best :P

SterlingArcher

In bargain alerts was on overclockers I think. Asus rog swift the slightly older version non ips.

Still 27 inch 1440p 144hz gsync. Works out roughly 500 euros. No a bad Monitor at all.

Then the Dell s2716dg again around 15 similar spec.

salamanca22

SterlingArcher wrote: »

In bargain alerts was on overclockers I think. Asus rog swift the slightly older version non ips.

Still 27 inch 1440p 144hz gsync. Works out roughly 500 euros. No a bad Monitor at all.

Then the Dell s2716dg again around 15 similar spec.

Good stuff, I don't like IPS myself.

I will be waiting though til I have the gpu in my hands I think before I go looking at monitors.

TerrorFirmer

SterlingArcher wrote: »

In bargain alerts was on overclockers I think. Asus rog swift the slightly older version non ips.

Still 27 inch 1440p 144hz gsync. Works out roughly 500 euros. No a bad Monitor at all.

Then the Dell s2716dg again around 15 similar spec.

Wasn't that b-grade though. And OCUK offer a garbage b-grade warranty - 30 days I think. A lot of money to spend on something that you've no idea why it was returned in the first place and no warranty.

Wouldn't touch OCUK's b-grade stock personally, it's about 80% new cost with no warranty - at least Dabs offered a six month warranty on b-grade stuff before they withdrew from IReland.

Eoinmc97

Rumblings from the web are $199 for 4GB ref. $229 for 8GB ref. This would be roughly €210 for the 4GB and €250 for the 8GB for us. Not bad really, considering this was 380X territory.
AIBs are slated for launch day availability. June 29th gives them enough time to ship and set up stock. Most common configurations are x2 6pin and x1 6+8pin.
Do not expect the triple fan Strix on this, but rather a 2 fan, no RGB edition Strix at launch. People over at Guru3D suspect that the x3 fan version will probably be reserved for Vega/Polaris CFD:0 (which is expected to have 2560 SPs). People are guessing Dual 6pin, as this was found on the Strix 380X.
MSI's Twin Frozr VI will be used on the card, but not the Z Gaming version. The Gaming and X Gaming versions will be available at launch. Expect Armour X2 to launch aswell. No news on the Aero blower style. Dual 6pin on all.
Sapphire is using a Dual-Fan set-up, with dual 6pin for both editions.
Gigabyte is using it's Windforce x3 design and Windforce X2 designs. The Xtreme series is reserved for nVidia only. 6+8pin.
Finally, XFX are continuing their Diamond style coolers, with dual fans. Black Editions come with back-plates, the rest don't. Dual 6pin, although 380X Black OC XXX came with 6+8pin so who knows.
No news on PowerColor outside their liquid coolers.

Don't know how much you can believe Raja, but his interview with LTT said that the reference is very quiet as their isn't much heat from a 150W card. Which is reasonable enough, although I'd wait for AIB solutions if you inted to OC.
On the topic of OCing, if the card can hit 1400MHz stable, it should be able to rival the stock 980Ti in synthetics. Whether a 12% OC can be achieved is unknown however.
All in all, the RX 480 is looking to be something pretty sweet. I think that while AMD were pushing for Dual setups, this might have been keeping VR in-mind, (plus sneakliy asking for more sales) but I'd say most are probably going to stick with 1 of these.

MarkAnthony

If the little feckers get X fire working with 1 card per eye I'll be staying red team for sure!

Love the X-fire pushing for more sales - cheeky sods. Blatantly trying to take advantage of any confusion over SLI.

FAILSAFE 00

Eoinmc97 wrote: »

Rumblings from the web are $199 for 4GB ref. $229 for 8GB ref. This would be roughly €210 for the 4GB and €250 for the 8GB for us.

It would cost a lot more than that for us here. EU prices for graphics cards are well higher than the US.

MarkAnthony

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

It would cost a lot more than that for us here. EU prices for graphics cards are well higher than the US.

It's not that they are higher it's that US prices don't include tax.

The prices bandied about convert dollars to euro and then add VAT. They're not going to be far off if you use the right suppliers.

What we might have to consider is deliver charges but that applies to nVidia as well.

MarkAnthony

Interesting that the PCB is quite short.

TheDoc

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Wasn't that b-grade though. And OCUK offer a garbage b-grade warranty - 30 days I think. A lot of money to spend on something that you've no idea why it was returned in the first place and no warranty.

Wouldn't touch OCUK's b-grade stock personally, it's about 80% new cost with no warranty - at least Dabs offered a six month warranty on b-grade stuff before they withdrew from IReland.

I picked up the AOC that Xeno linked, saved the guts of like €150+

Friend mentioned they honoured his failed GPU six months after purchase(B Grade) and their own forums have large feedback that OCUK honour warranties well after the 90 days that they outline.

They dont have a top rep for nothing

I'm also happy enough with the AOC having a 3 year warranty, so might have sometime left on that also

MarkAnthony

Even if they do try and offer 30/90 days it's very unlikely to have legal effect.