JD Wetherspoon - they are promoting Brexit

Impetus

JD Wetherspoon 'pubs' are promoting GB to leave the EU on beer mats etc.

Time their Irish operations were boycotted!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/wetherspoons-brexit-beer-mats-eu-referendum-imf

ThisRegard

Meh.

_Redzer_

With Irish people having zero say on the vote I wouldn't even bother.

Sit back. Whatever happens, happens

jam_mac_jam

Why would you boycott? They have a right to an opinion. Some good points on the beermat better then the usual straight bananas or overrun with muslims crap. Seems quite well thought out.

FunLover18

Why did you put pubs in inverted commas? Are you suggesting they're not actually pubs?

Alun

_Redzer_ wrote: »

With Irish people having zero say on the vote I wouldn't even bother.

Au contraire ... any resident of the UK can vote, so any Irish people currently living there can vote, along with all the French, Germans, Dutch, Italians etc. who live there.

BoJack Horseman

Wetherspoons.... Mad for world war 3 they are.

FunLover18

Alun wrote: »

Au contraire ... any resident of the UK can vote, so any Irish people currently living there can vote, along with all the French, Germans, Dutch, Italians etc. who live there.

But an Irish boycott of the Irish establishments would have zero effect.

ancapailldorcha

Alun wrote: »

Au contraire ... any resident of the UK can vote, so any Irish people currently living there can vote, along with all the French, Germans, Dutch, Italians etc. who live there.

Nope. Irish people resident in the UK can indeed vote but not other EU citizens.

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/upcoming-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum

Peter Anthony

FunLover18 wrote: »

But an Irish boycott of the Irish establishments would have zero effect.

And why would they be boycotted, they havent done anything wrong. Enda Kenny flying to Britain to tell people how to vote in another Countries referendum is far far worse and little was said.

Eugene Norman

Alun wrote: »

Au contraire ... any resident of the UK can vote, so any Irish people currently living there can vote, along with all the French, Germans, Dutch, Italians etc. who live there.

I don't think EU residents can vote. Irish people can for historical reasons.

Also this topic is about weather spoons in Ireland.

Not sure why the op cares, or assumes the natural state of the Irish is to vote yes in Euro referenda.

The Backwards Man

A pie and a pint for a fiver will be all the average Briton can afford if they leave.

No surprise Timmy is all for it.

Vic_08

I was wondering what it would take for Wetherspoons to provide beermats.

_Kaiser_

Impetus wrote: »

JD Wetherspoon 'pubs' are promoting GB to leave the EU on beer mats etc.

Time their Irish operations were boycotted!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/wetherspoons-brexit-beer-mats-eu-referendum-imf

This assumes you agree with the pro-EU position of course!

The EU is increasingly unrepresentative and unaccountable to the citizens who live there. Their stance on the Migrant situation now, and the economic situation in Greece last year (basically Germany throwing its weight around at the expense of the smaller states) shows that the supposed "rules" are non-existent if the agenda calls for it/it suits the bigger member States.

A UK exit may be the biggest shake-up the EU has had yet and force a rethink and discussion on how the whole thing is setup and I personally think that could only be a good thing... plus there's suggestions that Ireland may in fact benefit as well - unless people are worried about maybe having a border check with NI again, in which case it would be nothing like the bad old days and no harm to protect us as well. Besides, there'd no doubt be a travel agreement between the two States as there's been for decades.

Personally I think the UK should be left alone to make their own decision, and that verdict should be respected (although let's see if they're made "do it again" if they give the "wrong" answer like we were).

MilesMorales1

I still haven't decided which way to vote, so maybe wetherspoons can help me decide.

Alun

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nope. Irish people resident in the UK can indeed vote but not other EU citizens.

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/upcoming-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum

Ooops, sorry, I thought other EU residents could vote too, my bad.

35cent

Meh,they can do it if they want. Besides I think Ryanair are doing something similar although for the remain side which is where my vote is going.

hawkwind23

What a joker , boycott a pub because the owner has the gall to have an opinion?
whether i agree or not is irrelevant , at least he has the balls to speak his mind and no pander to some wishey washey middle ground to appease people like the OP

biko

Impetus wrote: »

Time their Irish operations were boycotted!

So you're on the fence regarding Brexit I take it?

stimpson

Impetus wrote: »

JD Wetherspoon 'pubs' are promoting GB to leave the EU on beer mats etc.

Time their Irish operations were boycotted!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/wetherspoons-brexit-beer-mats-eu-referendum-imf

Nice try, Vintners Association.

It's a very poor and muddled argument.

Something something...Lagarde...something...think of the Greeks...

You'd think a beer mat might have something short and punchy. Though maybe drunk is the best way to take in that mess.

rubadub

And people wonder how they can sell beer so cheap. The marketing goons in diageo would not come up with cheap advertising like this.

Must have gone to the same school as the ryanair and paddy power boys.

Charles Babbage

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nope. Irish people resident in the UK can indeed vote but not other EU citizens.

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/upcoming-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum

What about Cyprus and Malta?

What a joker , boycott a pub because the owner has the gall to have an opinion?
whether i agree or not is irrelevant , at least he has the balls to speak his mind and no pander to some wishey washey middle ground to appease people like the OP

If that pub is promoting policies likely to lead to Britain reneging on the Good Friday agreement and so leading to resumption of violence on this island, it is no laughing matter and well warrants a boycott.

_Kaiser_

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If that pub is promoting policies likely to lead to Britain reneging on the Good Friday agreement and so leading to resumption of violence on this island, it is no laughing matter and well warrants a boycott.

What actual evidence is there of that?

BalcombeSt4

Impetus wrote: »

JD Wetherspoon 'pubs' are promoting GB to leave the EU on beer mats etc.

Time their Irish operations were boycotted!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/wetherspoons-brexit-beer-mats-eu-referendum-imf

What? Why? I want Britain to leave the EU.

Toon--soldier

Q: Is the governance of the IMF better than that of Fifa?

Yes it is. It answers to sovereign governments and is not run on a systemic basis of bribery and corruption

Q: Did anyone elect you?

No she was appointed by sovereign governments as were the British House of Lords.

Q: Why is Greece in such trouble after six years of IMF advice?

Greece did not follow their advice

oppenheimer1

Toon--soldier wrote: »

Q: Is the governance of the IMF better than that of Fifa?

Yes it is. It answers to sovereign governments and is not run on a systemic basis of bribery and corruption

Q: Did anyone elect you?

No she was appointed by sovereign governments as were the British House of Lords.

Q: Why is Greece in such trouble after six years of IMF advice?

Greece did not follow their advice

The IMF has nothing to do with the EU. Its a strange institution to be rallying the hate around for an EU exit - since Britain went cap in hand to the IMF several times (5?) since the 50's.

Toon--soldier

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The IMF has nothing to do with the EU. Its a strange institution to be rallying the hate around for an EU exit - since Britain went cap in hand to the IMF several times (5?) since the 50's.

Couldn't agree more, why Mr Martin feels the need to bring them into the argument is beyond me!

Risteard81

The so-called "EU" is an abomination and should and must be destroyed. Everyone should be voting against everything about it. Hopefully this will result in the collapse of the disgusting criminal "EU".

But they don't have a habit of accepting referendum results against their criminal enterprise.

Charles Babbage

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What actual evidence is there of that?

How can there be evidence of something that hasn't happened yet!

Vic_08

Charles Babbage wrote: »

How can there be evidence of something that hasn't happened yet!

Well you've convinced me with your ironclad logic.

mansize

Something tells me your average weatherspoon's drinker would be a No Voter- but not get around to actually voting...

hatrickpatrick

Bit surprised TBH, the EU is currently the only thing standing between the UK and minimum alcohol pricing, which would really f*ck Wetherspoons up.

Story Bud?

35cent wrote: »

Meh,they can do it if they want. Besides I think Ryanair are doing something similar although for the remain side which is where my vote is going.

Ryanair have been leaving the EU for years.

Badly Drunk Boy

Story Bud? wrote: »

Ryanair have been leaving the EU for years.

But there are usually return flights...

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Charles Babbage wrote: »

What about Cyprus and Malta?



If that pub is promoting policies likely to lead to Britain reneging on the Good Friday agreement and so leading to resumption of violence on this island, it is no laughing matter and well warrants a boycott.

Your analytical engine needs a recalibration I think.

conorhal

The Wetherspoons founder wrote an excellent article on Brexit with perhaps the most valid point I've read, it came down to, look at who's promoting 'stay', the same Tory boy stock brokers, special interests and MNC corporate types that told you over a decade ago that if the UK didn't join the Euro it would damage growth and turn the UK into an unimportant backwater. Always be wary of finding yourself on the same side of the argument as the 1% who all got richer while the plebs suffered during the Euro crisis. When the kind of people that gather in Davo's annually tell you what's best for your country, do the opposite to what they say.

Also Wetherspoons Ireland are all pretty good pubs. I think it's because they have to up their game here as the Irish wouldn't tollerate lino floring and card tables and one cost cutting measure of theirs, no music or TVs is a cost cutting measure that I consider a serious boon.

seamus

conorhal wrote: »

When the kind of people that gather in Davo's annually tell you what's best for your country, do the opposite to what they say.

That's perhaps the most invalid reason for doing anything. "When X says it's a good idea, it must be a bad one". If that was the thrust of his argument - "Vote against the elites", then I wonder what rag went and published it.

I make jokes like that about Sinn Fein policy, but I actually still read it to see if it has any merit rather than dismissing it out of hand.

Likewise the "points" made by these beer mats are ridiculous.

The IMF has nothing to do with the EU. What has anything on that beermat got to do with Brexit?

Winterlong

If all brexiters boycotted Irish goods and services because of our stance on their referendum we would be in a bit of a pickle.

ohnonotgmail

One could be cruel and say that the type of person who is voting for Brexit usually gets their facts from beer mats. But one isnt cruel.

Mint Sauce

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Nope. Irish people resident in the UK can indeed vote but not other EU citizens.

http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/upcoming-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum

Dont forget all the British people living in Ireland for the last 15 years or less ( and there is a lot of them), they can vote too.

Saipanne

Impetus wrote: »

Time their Irish operations were boycotted

Because reasons.

seamus

Winterlong wrote: »

If all brexiters boycotted Irish goods and services because of our stance on their referendum we would be in a bit of a pickle.

Times have changed. We're not nearly as reliant on the UK market as we used to be, and the UK is a lot more reliant on EU markets than it thinks it is.
And the EU isn't at all reliant on the UK. If the UK leaves, all of the goods they export to the EU, will now be sourced from within the EU - including from us. So while we'd take a hit on UK exports, we'd make a large gain in EU exports. And specifically in FDI as companies relocate from London to Dublin to keep their access to the EU.

Sterling is already seeing its value drop as the potential for "leave" becomes more likely.

While this is good for exports, it's bad for imports and national debt. The days of the British empire are over. The UK doesn't control a large enough market to strongarm anyone into special debt arrangements.

imitation

conorhal wrote: »

The Wetherspoons founder wrote an excellent article on Brexit with perhaps the most valid point I've read, it came down to, look at who's promoting 'stay', the same Tory boy stock brokers, special interests and MNC corporate types that told you over a decade ago that if the UK didn't join the Euro it would damage growth and turn the UK into an unimportant backwater. Always be wary of finding yourself on the same side of the argument as the 1% who all got richer while the plebs suffered during the Euro crisis. When the kind of people that gather in Davo's annually tell you what's best for your country, do the opposite to what they say.

Also Wetherspoons Ireland are all pretty good pubs. I think it's because they have to up their game here as the Irish wouldn't tollerate lino floring and card tables and one cost cutting measure of theirs, no music or TVs is a cost cutting measure that I consider a serious boon.

Who put all those bankers and multinationals into place though ? I doubt it was the EU, I think it was Thacher who did her best to shaft the Primary industry in the uk and setup a services economy. Thats what I find funny about brexit, the EU gets the blame for issues caused by Britains own decisions. There is a mighty superiority complex there methinks.

Nah.

Charles Babbage

Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: »

Your analytical engine needs a recalibration I think.

Really? Which bit of my statement was incorrect.

- the Brexit Leave campaign have explicitly said that they wish to regain control of borders
- we have a border which presumably they want to regain control of
- fiddling around with that border when people in neither half of Ireland want change is a clear negation of the Good Friday Agreement
- Wetherspoons are promoting this.

ohnonotgmail

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Really? Which bit of my statement was incorrect.

- the Brexit Leave campaign have explicitly said that they wish to regain control of borders
- we have a border which presumably they want to regain control of
- fiddling around with that border when people in neither half of Ireland want change is a clear negation of the Good Friday Agreement
- Wetherspoons are promoting this.

i have highlighted the key word in bold. everything after that is speculation on your part based on exactly nothing.

Impetus

A pub is a place to eat, drink and socialise. If the owner of a pub uses the premises to foist political propaganda on its customers, there is something wrong.

There are two big issues going on in the Anglo-Saxon world at the moment. Donald Trump’s racist campaign for the US presidency, and the Brexit referendum. The latter also attracts a large racist following. These concepts have little or no support in Ireland. No company which is licensed to do business in IRL should be able to get away with supporting racist politics in Ireland or elsewhere.

Wetherspoon is a public company, listed on a London stock exchange, with shareholders. The management of the company is accountable to these shareholders for their management and conduct of the business. My hope is that both Brexit and the board of Wetherspoon get kicked out at the referendum and at the next AGM respectively.

... tbh many companies have always affiliated themselves. I saw a good few backing the marriage equality vote.

Impetus

Deleted User wrote: »

... tbh many companies have always affiliated themselves. I saw a good few backing the marriage equality vote.

Marriage equality is not exactly racist.....

Saipanne

Impetus wrote: »

Marriage equality is not exactly racist.....

Sure everything is racism, in your eyes...