Tax the Irish abroad

Gone Drinking

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax also.

Bet if the Luas drivers were running this country, we'd have had the national debt sorted by now..

jester77

lol

Maybe sort out the problem at home first. The amount of people paying little to no tax is the first thing that needs sorting out.

Diggg

Fcuk that. Its a country not a child, you are fully entitled to do a legger and never look back

Permabear

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A Dub in Glasgo

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax also.

Bet if the Luas drivers were running this country, we'd have had the national debt sorted by now..

Never was a username more apt

bodice ripper

Great. We'll set up a government body to oversee it, and it'll cost more than it makes.

Duggy747

The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Because we're the ones who are here and are using public services?

Winterlong

Can we put a tax on bad posts while we are at it?

Tabnabs

You want to vote in Irish elections, referenda etc. you can pay a little into the kitty to show you still have a connection to the 'old country'. Otherwise, leave it to the hard pressed locals.

syklops

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax also.

Bet if the Luas drivers were running this country, we'd have had the national debt sorted by now..

Left in 2009, moved to somewhere there were IT jobs, the Czech republic. First year over there I made 12k euro salary after tax. Not including the money I spent moving over there. So your theoretical tax take from me would have been 60 euro.

I guarantee you, it would cost more for the government to collect that tax than would be made from it.

Plus, the next time theres a bust, instead of going somewhere to earn, I'll just sit on the dole and wait til its all over.

MRnotlob606

In fairness how can you tax them when they don't have the right to vote in elections ? Would seem a bit undemocratic.

ShooterSF

Tabnabs wrote: »

You want to vote in Irish elections, referenda etc. you can pay a little into the kitty to show you still have a connection to the 'old country'. Otherwise, leave it to the hard pressed locals.

Have you tried to vote in Ireland while living abroad?

Barry Badrinath

You really have Gone Drinking OP!

Gone Drinking

syklops wrote: »

Left in 2009, moved to somewhere there were IT jobs, the Czech republic. First year over there I made 12k euro salary after tax. Not including the money I spent moving over there. So your theoretical tax take from me would have been 60 euro.

I guarantee you, it would cost more for the government to collect that tax than would be made from it.

Plus, the next time theres a bust, instead of going somewhere to earn, I'll just sit on the dole and wait til its all over.

You're right, we should up it.. 1.5% then.

We need more good ideas like this, keep them coming lads. We'll get this place sorted out if it's the last thing we do!

oppenheimer1

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

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I'd agree to a certain extent. If people abroad want to maintain the right to vote in Irish elections then they should contribute. I wouldn't make it mandatory though.

syklops

Gone Drinking wrote: »

You're right, we should up it.. 1.5% then.

We need more good ideas like this, keep them coming lads. We'll get this place sorted out if it's the last thing we do!

This is not a good idea. Its a pathetic idea. As another poster said the majority of Irish people abroad would have their declaration of alien-age filled out in record time.

Its also short sighted.

How about this:

People in the state who pay zero tax start paying some tax.
People in the state who get everything for free and pay not tax and get money from the state - they start paying something too
The people in the middle who pay for everything, - they pay a bit less.

ShooterSF

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'd agree to a certain extent. If people abroad want to maintain the right to vote in Irish elections then they should contribute. I wouldn't make it mandatory though.

Again? Do people think you can vote in Ireland while living abroad??

syklops

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'd agree to a certain extent. If people abroad want to maintain the right to vote in Irish elections then they should contribute. I wouldn't make it mandatory though.

Maintain the right to vote? When you say maintain the right to vote, you mean maintain the right to fly home and vote? Those people are already contributing unless they live on freshair while they are here.

Again, shortsighted. You will lose more over time then you will take in the short term.

maudgonner

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Bet if the Luas drivers were running this country, we'd have had the national debt sorted by now..

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Good one.

swimming in a sea

I don't think this is a runner for an idea, but is this the case with the USA? no matter where you live if you have a US passport you have to pay tax to "uncle Sam".

maybe that is why their sports and movie stars all live in the USA as moving to the likes of Monaco\Bermuda would do them no good..

oppenheimer1

syklops wrote: »

Maintain the right to vote? When you say maintain the right to vote, you mean maintain the right to fly home and vote? Those people are already contributing unless they live on freshair while they are here.

Again, shortsighted. You will lose more over time then you will take in the short term.

No, that postal ballots would be extended to Irish citizens overseas who choose to contribute at home.

People who come home every now and then don't contribute that much by way of taxes. They pay vat, which everyone does that lives here anyway.

The swanning "home to vote" is bull****, and for most people, illegal.

Kev_2012

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

No.

HalloweenJack

I paid tax when I worked in Ireland and used the services. I've paid tax in other countries when I've done the same. I already contribute to the services through tax in the country I live in. It's mad to pay taxes in a country you don't live in, regardless of it being the one you're from.

I don't want to exchange tax for a vote either. It's been five years since I lived at home and I haven't contributed to Irish society in that time. I'm perfectly happy to be told I don't have a right to vote but if you're going to charge me tax, then I'll demand my vote.

OP, do you pay water charges?

Galwayguy35

syklops wrote: »

This is not a good idea. Its a pathetic idea. As another poster said the majority of Irish people abroad would have their declaration of alien-age filled out in record time.

Its also short sighted.

How about this:

People in the state who pay zero tax start paying some tax.
People in the state who get everything for free and pay not tax and get money from the state - they start paying something too
The people in the middle who pay for everything, - they pay a bit less.

This will never happen either, the AAA/ People Before Profit would never allow any law to pass that would make the freeloaders who vote them in have to pay tax.

EagererBeaver

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I don't think this is a runner for an idea, but is this the case with the USA? no matter where you live if you have a US passport you have to pay tax to "uncle Sam".

maybe that is why their sports and movie stars all live in the USA as moving to the likes of Monaco\Bermuda would do them no good..

That's not true. Things like FATCA are about disclosure and reporting, not collection. Of everything is above board and you are truly non-resident in the US, you won't pay tax there.

Gone Drinking

I think people generally agree it's a good idea in principle. I'm sure we could get around the costs of doing it.

Maybe just apply a fee to anyone returning toothed country, if they have been gone for more than a certain period of time.

Thousand Euro a year

HalloweenJack

Lol, that'd just discurage people from coming back.

Have you read this thread? "I think people generally agree it's a good idea" is a bit of a stretch. It seems 50/50, at best.

ancapailldorcha

Utterly stupid idea. I'd much rather set fire to my passport.

Typical of the Irish mindset though. "Let's not try and evaluate our tax expenditure. Let's just try and take more money we're not entitled to".

EagererBeaver

I don't think he's being entirely serious...

Samaris

There'd be pretty understandable outrage from the oversea-ers if they were paying tax in their home country for the goods and services they use AND paying tax to the auld sod because ..er...because.

The Masculinist

Why not just tax anyone who eats potatoes and drinks Guinness? Same bloody logic.

keith16

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I think people generally agree it's a good idea in principle. I'm sure we could get around the costs of doing it.

Maybe just apply a fee to anyone returning toothed country, if they have been gone for more than a certain period of time.

Thousand Euro a year

Hi OP, I moved to Switzerland quite some time ago.

I pay comparatively little in the way of income tax and I have very strong spending power. Even with a higher cost of living here, my money goes so much further here.

The public services here are also on another level. World class infrastructure, a clean and safe environment and just all round superb quality of life.

Not one red cent of my earnings here will ever ever go to Ireland inc. I'm also not planning to move home any time soon cos I am frankly sick of people like you.

I'll tell you what you'll get for every year I am gone. Nada.

The Masculinist

keith16 wrote: »

Hi OP, I moved to Switzerland quite some time ago.

I pay comparatively little in the way of income tax and I have very strong spending power. Even with a higher cost of living here, my money goes so much further here.

The public services here are also on another level. World class infrastructure, a clean and safe environment and just all round superb quality of life.

Not one red cent of my earnings here will ever ever go to Ireland inc. I'm also not planning to move home any time soon cos I am frankly sick of people like you.

I'll tell you what you'll get for every year I am gone. Nada.

Go and suck a toblerone.

EagererBeaver

I'm sure be happily would. Through a tube made of solid gold and diamonds.

HensVassal

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax also.

Bet if the Luas drivers were running this country, we'd have had the national debt sorted by now..

As long as there's a stipulation that none of the taxes go to fund an education system that produces Einsteins like you.

ancapailldorcha

Spammer wrote: »

spam

And when there are no jobs to avail of because of the incompetence and corruption of said state?

A Dub in Glasgo

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I think people generally agree it's a good idea in principle.r

I think you have been reading the wrong thread!

ancapailldorcha

spammer wrote: »

Spam.

My right to live here is because of the EU, not some mythical innovation on the part of the Irish state. I've been here 5 years. I can sort myself out with British citizenship the second I decide I can be bothered.

HensVassal

spammer wrote: »

spam

Considering they lead the world in public debt I call bullsh1t.

keith16

spammer wrote: »

spam

If that's how easy it is to move, by all means, you, the OP and everyone else who is "stuck" in Ireland to "clean up the mess" are more than welcome.

endacl

Carlsberg don't do stupid threads, but if they did...

ancapailldorcha

keith16 wrote: »

If that's how easy it is to move, by all means, you, the OP and everyone else who is "stuck" in Ireland to "clean up the mess" are more than welcome.

I'm also interested to know how the mess is being cleaned up.

MarkAnthony

Just tax Americans $1 each time they claim to be Irish because their great, great grandmother once ate a potato and they have cousin that owns a green jumper.

keith16

spammer wrote: »

Does possessing an Irish passport make emigration relatively easy? Yes.

You are very much mistaken.

If I wish to continue living in CH, I need to meet a number of criteria. None of which say a thing about the symbol on my passport.

RobertKK

Tax the Irish abroad is a silly idea, if they are not using services in Ireland , why should they pay tax?
Presuming they work abroad, they pay taxes in their host country for the services they receive.

If Irish people who lived abroad were to be taxed, what would we call it?
The begrudgery tax?
It is a horrible idea which will not be even contemplated.

martinedwards

what about Irish Passport holders who live in the foreign country of the UK?

in Northern Ireland?

osarusan

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Typical of the Irish mindset though. "Let's not try and evaluate our tax expenditure. Let's just try and take more money we're not entitled to".

I don't really think it's that typical - I do not think I have ever heard the idea suggested before, and it's getting ridiculed on here.

HensVassal

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I think people generally agree it's a good idea in principle. I'm sure we could get around the costs of doing it.

Maybe just apply a fee to anyone returning toothed country, if they have been gone for more than a certain period of time.

Thousand Euro a year

Pay family allowance to the 10's of millions globally who are eligible for Irish citizenship. Be great. Country gutted in 4 seconds.

sondagefaux

How are you going to enforce it? Kick emigrants out of the country? I got out in 2003 when the place was booming - I had an idea it was all going to blow up sooner or later.

buried

This is like something the mafia would think up and enforce which makes me wonder why the likes of FF/FG haven't actually attempted do it.

Gone Drinking

Gone Drinking wrote: »

0.5% from the earnings of any person with an Irish passport living and earning abroad. Just until a good part of the national debt is paid.

These lads have all done well to pull a runner, earning a good living in whatever country, leaving the rest of us to sort out our countries finances. The average person didn't fcuk this place to begin with but why should only those left at home have to fix it!

Also, pubs that want to brand themselves as an Irish bar in a foreign country should pay a tax also.

Bet if the Luas drivers were running this country, we'd have had the national debt sorted by now..

Just how much did you have to drink when you came up with this "idea".