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Three NI women hand themselves in for breaking abortion law

  • 26-05-2016 3:38pm
    #1
    Sapphire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-36363730

    Fair play to them - they are awesome. Suffragettes of our time?

    I'd love to see thousands of people all over Ireland hand themselves in for their 'crimes' and see how the police force, judiciary and politicians try to cope with the onslaught of them all.


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  • #2
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    Sapphire wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-36363730

    Fair play to them - they are awesome. Suffragettes of our time?

    I'd love to see thousands of people all over Ireland hand themselves in for their 'crimes' and see how the police force, judiciary and politicians try to cope with the onslaught of them all.

    Could you imagine. It'd be a revolving door on Mountjoy to cater for the prison terms for them all. It's prison for murder, right?

    (Tongue firmly in cheek)

    I have huge admiration for them. But wish I didn't have to. It's a medical procedure. It shouldn't be something to be ashamed of or imprisoned for. It's a sad time when it's more socially acceptable to discuss breast implants over abortion - regardless of the reason for abortion.


  • #3
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Unfortunately while we continue to judge women and frame abortions as either the good kind or the bad kind few women will come forward. And that's part of the problem. We won't get anywhere until we break the taboo. As Sullivlo says having an abortion is nothing to be ashamed of.


  • #4
    KikiDee
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    Utmost of respect to them. I think as a country, we need more of this. Taboo topics need to be brought to the forefront & this is certianly one way to do it. Hat's off ladies.


  • #5
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Unfortunately while we continue to judge women and frame abortions as either the good kind or the bad kind few women will come forward. And that's part of the problem. We won't get anywhere until we break the taboo. As Sullivlo says having an abortion is nothing to be ashamed of.

    I 100% agree but the problem with abortion is that it is also deeply personal decision. Women shouldn't need to discuss it in public. It shouldn't be about the reasons, it shouldn't be about the numbers, it shouldn't be about feeding sorry for victims of rape or those carrying a child with fatal fetal abnormalities and not feeling sorry for those sleeping around... it should be about meeting the needs of of women and enabling to make decisions best for them without the need to justify it in public.


  • #6
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I 100% agree but the problem with abortion is that it is also deeply personal decision. Women shouldn't need to discuss it in public. It shouldn't be about the reasons, it shouldn't be about the numbers, it shouldn't be about feeding sorry for victims of rape or those carrying a child with fatal fetal abnormalities and not feeling sorry for those sleeping around... it should be about meeting the needs of of women and enabling to make decisions best for them without the need to justify it in public.

    They shouldn't need to speak about it in public, or have to speak about it in public, but it should be okay for them to speak about it in public if they wish.

    It is a deeply personal decision. Yes. I can't think of an equivalent for men. But if we were to say a vasectomy. Man doesn't want child. He can go and get the procedure in his local hospital and discuss it over a pint in the pub. Woman doesn't want a child, she has to travel to the UK and not discuss it in any situation ever because of the attitude of the general public.


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  • #7
    meeeeh
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    My point is that those who want to keep their abortion story private are not letting the cause down. It's not up to women who had abortions to create a sense of normality about the subject. Society (politics) should move on it without that. I know it sometimes explains the issue better because people easier relate to concrete experiences but that doesn't make it any more right or fair. And people with mental health issues, especially men , are in similar situation. They have to go public to increase awareness but in reality they should not need to.


  • #8
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    meeeeh wrote: »
    My point is that those who want to keep their abortion story private are not letting the cause down. It's not up to women who had abortions to create a sense of normality about the subject. Society (politics) should move on it without that. I know it sometimes explains the issue better because people easier relate to concrete experiences but that doesn't make it any more right or fair. And people with mental health issues, especially men , are in similar situation. They have to go public to increase awareness but in reality they should not need to.

    Agree. I'm getting frustrated with the "I'm going to tell you about my mental health issues to reduce the stigma" Facebook posts. Seeing someone be open about their issues is fantastic, but I don't think it would encourage anyone else to speak out.

    I'm not saying that they have to share their experiences. I'm just saying that they should have the option of discussion of they wish without judgement.


  • #9
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    meeeeh wrote: »
    My point is that those who want to keep their abortion story private are not letting the cause down. It's not up to women who had abortions to create a sense of normality about the subject. Society (politics) should move on it without that. I know it sometimes explains the issue better because people easier relate to concrete experiences but that doesn't make it any more right or fair. And people with mental health issues, especially men , are in similar situation. They have to go public to increase awareness but in reality they should not need to.

    I never intended to suggest they were. No one should feel pressure to admit to it if they don't want to. But there are people who are okay talking about it and that should be encouraged so people can see that its an issue that affects all sorts of people. It puts a human face on it. If it's okay to talk about pregnancy, periods etc why not abortion? It's always stuck me that in a forum like this for women and about women it's not an issue that is mentioned much unless we are discussing the law.


  • #10
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    eviltwin wrote: »
    I never intended to suggest they were. No one should feel pressure to admit to it if they don't want to. But there are people who are okay talking about it and that should be encouraged so people can see that its an issue that affects all sorts of people. It puts a human face on it. If it's okay to talk about pregnancy, periods etc why not abortion? It's always stuck me that in a forum like this for women and about women it's not an issue that is mentioned much unless we are discussing the law.

    It's fear of judgment. There are some really nasty people in this world that would latch on if someone admitted to having an abortion and abuse the person. Not cool.

    Two of my friends have had abortions. One when she was 15 and really not ready for a baby. The other was a little older but it was after a one night stand and she just couldn't face becoming a mother. Neither discuss their experiences because of their fear of being judged. They should be allowed discuss it if they want.


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