"Irish" woman who tried to travel to Syria jailed

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Rte

A Northern Irish mother of three who wanted to bring her children up under the so-called Islamic State militant group in Syria has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison in the UK.

Lorna Moore, originally from Omagh in Co Tyrone, was brought up as a Protestant but converted to Islam in 2002.

[Irish Times/U]

Irish woman jailed over plan to raise children in Syria under Isis
London court said Omagh native ‘knew perfectly well’ of ‘husband’s dedication to terrorism’

She'd be British if it was a positive story like winning the London Marathon or appearing on the X Factor.

The_Kew_Tour

William Frazer won't like that

kneemos

There's a law against that ?

looksee

It was RTE and the Irish Times who described her as Irish?

Ohbethehokey

2 and a half year suspended sentence


Have the children been removed from her care?

Yea.. exactly. It wasn't the British media reporting her as "Irish", it was our own Irish sources.

Grab All Association

Grab All Association wrote: »

Rte

[Irish Times/U]


She'd be British if it was a positive story like winning the London Marathon or appearing on the X Factor.

You are right, I am sick of RTE and the Irish Times telling us about "British" golfer Rory McIlroy's victory in the Irish Open. Sick of it!

Sometimes the mask really slips and you see just how chippy and desperate to find offence some people are.

beach_walker

Where do ISIS stand on the issue of partition?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Hope the kids are never returned to her or her scumbag terrorist husband

love humanity

Is she a protestant muslim or a catholic muslim?

Liam O

She's from the island of Ireland, ergo Irish.

ShiddyArze

She wasn't jailed

NiallBoo

Liam O wrote: »

She's from the island of Ireland, ergo Irish.

You might as well describe her as European.

When you say "Irish" it implies that they're an Irish citizen.

"Northern Irish" would be the correct term.

looking_around

NiallBoo wrote: »

You might as well describe her as European.

When you say "Irish" it implies that they're an Irish citizen.

"Northern Irish" would be the correct term.

Many northern Irish, have Irish citizenship though

Badly Drunk Boy

Deleted User wrote: »

You are right, I am sick of RTE and the Irish Times telling us about "British" golfer Rory McIlroy's victory in the Irish Open. Sick of it!

Rory McIroy isn't from Britain, he's from the UK.

ShiddyArze

looking_around wrote:

Many northern Irish, have Irish citizenship though

She was a Protestant before converting to Islam so I highly doubt she is an Irish citizen, in fact I'd bet my life on it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

So, is this thread about a woman potentially inducting her kids into terrorism, or the far more pressing issue of her nationality?

ShiddyArze

Both.

Many, many Brits or "UKers" have moved to Syria and Iraq to join Isis. I don't think any Irish have, at least not Irish Catholics. So the nationality and religious background is an important point.

Ohbethehokey

Isn't Samantha, The white widow from those parts too?

Must be something in the water

ShiddyArze

Ohbethehokey wrote:

Isn't Samantha, The white widow from those parts too?

Yes, and notice how she's always referred to as British.. Why is this British Protestant/Muslim being called Irish?

overshoot

looksee wrote: »

It was RTE and the Irish Times who described her as Irish?

in fairness to them, it wouldnt be the same level of click-bait if they called her British.

cowboyBuilder

looksee wrote: »

It was RTE and the Irish Times who described her as Irish?

RTE and the Irish Times are probably proud that she wanted to join ISIS.

Lurkio

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Rory McIroy isn't from Britain, he's from the UK.

Going on a few pictures of him I've seen hes from Loompaland.

seamus

ShiddyArze wrote: »

Both.

Many, many Brits or "UKers" have moved to Syria and Iraq to join Isis. I don't think any Irish have, at least not Irish Catholics. So the nationality and religious background is an important point.

Lol. That's convenient. If they're not Irish Catholics, they don't count. But if they're British, their religion is irrelevant. How many British Christians have gone to join ISIS?

darkpagandeath

Irish/British Muslim goes to join ISIS.......

NoCrackHaving

I do find it quite interesting how 'western' converts to Islam are disproportionately female in very large numbers, curious as to how much research has been done into the particular reasons for it.

NoCrackHaving

ShiddyArze wrote: »

Yes, and notice how she's always referred to as British.. Why is this British Protestant/Muslim being called Irish?

Well she's also Irish as well as British in the same way people can be English and British or Scottish and British or Welsh and British.

I guess she could really be Irish and United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Irelandish but it is a bit of a mouthful.

ohnonotgmail

NoCrackHaving wrote: »

Well she's also Irish as well as British in the same way people can be English and British or Scottish and British or Welsh and British.

I guess she could really be Irish and United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Irelandish but it is a bit of a mouthful.

How can she be described as british? she isnt from britain.

NoCrackHaving

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

How can she be described as british? she isnt from britain.

British is commonly used and accepted as a demonym for someone from the United Kingdom of Great Britain of Northern Ireland as opposed to United Kingdom of Great Britain of Northern Irelandish which as I said previously is a bit of a mouthful.

love humanity

Just change the headline to " a weirdo" from northern ireland haha

ohnonotgmail

NoCrackHaving wrote: »

British is commonly used and accepted as a demonym for someone from the United Kingdom of Great Britain of Northern Ireland as opposed to United Kingdom of Great Britain of Northern Irelandish which as I said previously is a bit of a mouthful.

well no. britain is england, scotland and wales. that is why it is called the united kingdom of great britain AND northern ireland.

riffmongous

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well no. britain is england, scotland and wales. that is why it is called the united kingdom of great britain AND northern ireland.

You better tell the Brits that https://www.gov.uk/browse/citizenship/citizenship

NoCrackHaving

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well no. britain is england, scotland and wales. that is why it is called the united kingdom of great britain AND northern ireland.

I'm not sure what your argument is here, - https://www.gov.uk/browse/citizenship/citizenship

darkpagandeath

NoCrackHaving wrote: »

I'm not sure what your argument is here, - https://www.gov.uk/browse/citizenship/citizenship

British citizenship..............

RobertKK

ShiddyArze wrote: »

She was a Protestant before converting to Islam so I highly doubt she is an Irish citizen, in fact I'd bet my life on it

Not sure, but heard she wanted to join ISIS as she was told it was sunni over there.

NewsMeQuick

Yes it's true I think that they choose when to say Irish or British in the media for certain cases. But going back to the start, I must be confused about what's going on in the North or something. As a result of a referendum, the North is part of the UK, with the binding agreement of the Irish and British governments. So, that would be UK. I hear and see this all the time, "Irish" from the North. That doesn't make sense to me.

It's the same with celebrities. All the time I hear about "Irish" celeb this or that. So you look into it and find out that either their parent's friend's cousin's pet penguin was Irish or they were from the North. This country makes desperate claims to nationhood sometimes.

LDN_Irish

"Those Protestants. Up to no good as usual."

end of the road

NiallBoo wrote: »

You might as well describe her as European.

When you say "Irish" it implies that they're an Irish citizen.

"Northern Irish" would be the correct term.

no, irish is the correct term

ShiddyArze

end of the road wrote:

no, irish is the correct term

If she didn't identify herself as Irish, or hold an Irish passport, then Irish is not the correct term.

Fratton Fred

ShiddyArze wrote: »

If she didn't identify herself as Irish, or hold an Irish passport, then Irish is not the correct term.

What if she calls her airing cupboard a hotpress?

end of the road

ShiddyArze wrote: »

If she didn't identify herself as Irish, or hold an Irish passport, then Irish is not the correct term.

if she was born on the island of ireland she is irish

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

end of the road wrote: »

if she was born on the island of ireland she is irish

That's politically inaccurate and in any case, not your decision to make when ti concerns other people.

The Randy Riverbeast

Easy way to sort this out, did she support Celtic or Rangers?

ShiddyArze

end of the road wrote:

if she was born on the island of ireland she is irish

Na, sorry. Plenty people born on this island that aren't Irish. This Island has two different countries on it. Wished up talking poo

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

if she was born on the island of ireland she is irish

Not if they have a British passport. There is no NI/Scott/welsh or English passport they are all British citizens how hard is it to understand ? She would be Irish if she had an Irish passport. What next Europe is one big country ? As most of it is on the same landmass ???

Shurimgreat

Whether she is catholic or protestant or irish or british, anyone who wants to join up with ISIS knowing what they've done including mass murder and enslavement as well as how sh*t they treat their women, is not right in the head. I seriously don't see how anyone sane could travel to Syria at the moment and if they do they deserve everything that happens to them. The place is hell on earth.

DEFTLEFTHAND

NoCrackHaving wrote: »

I do find it quite interesting how 'western' converts to Islam are disproportionately female in very large numbers, curious as to how much research has been done into the particular reasons for it.

A Muslim man can marry a non Muslim woman. A non Muslim man cannot marry a Muslim woman who's practicing the faith unless he himself converts beforehand.

looking_around

ShiddyArze wrote: »

She was a Protestant before converting to Islam so I highly doubt she is an Irish citizen, in fact I'd bet my life on it

She was northern irish. Entitle to both Irish (if born on the island of Ireland) and British citizenship. ..whatever her religion or way she labelled herself.

Calling her Irish is equally correct as caling her British.

ShiddyArze

looking_around wrote:

Calling her Irish is equally correct as caling her British.

No, its really not.

ShiddyArze

Similar to calling a Ukrainian or Pole a Russian.. There still on the same land mass and use to be one. Times have changed

ShiddyArze

Are all Mexicans or Canadians American? No.