Customs diesel check

kadman

In a car that got stopped at a checkpoint today for a dip.

No problem, as we use proper diesel.

But...young lassy couldn,t dip the tank at all, neither could her
4 superiors for some reason.

So they requested diesel receipts, which we dont keep.

Then they wanted to lift the bonnet, and then considered pulling off
some pipes to get a sample.:eek:

It was quite clear neither of the 4 knew any thing about diesel engines.

Thankfully they re considered.......and waved us on our way.

Can they do this engine mullarkey without the appropriate knowledge.

vectra

I would insist on seeing their qualifictaions first before they would lay a finger in or on my engine.

biko

Do you have some anti-siphoning device installed?
What car is it?

Fred Swanson

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kadman

biko wrote: »

Do you have some anti-siphoning device installed?
What car is it?

Its a 05 Fiat Doblo 1.3 Multijet mpv.

It does 100 kilometres to the gallon. Why would anyone need to use cheaper
fuel.
Its practically running on fumes.

I dont know why they couldn,t get the fuel pipe into the filler neck.

Fred Swanson

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shietpilot

I heard they like to test the fuel filters by disconnecting fuel lines and all kinds of silly stuff. I'd love to see them trying to get my Focus to start after disconnecting fuel lines Good luck to them and no chance they are ever getting under the bonnet :rolleyes:

kadman

I saw them trying the same thing with the car behind me. They were pulling at any hose

they thought might be fuel, as they clearly did not know.

Nekarsulm

A lot more power than your average Garda.

kadman

So my gut instinct in future is if they ask for the bonnet to be lifted, is to

tell them to F...FFFF.........Forget about it, unless of course they show some

skills ID that proves they know where the engine is.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Open my bonnet? No way would they be doing that.

ianobrien

I'd be in the same boat as Vectra, in that I'd want to see their mechanical qualifications before they go laying a hand under the bonnet. On the other hand, if they want, I'd have no problem in taking the car to the nearest main dealer to have a sample removed for them.

Fred Swanson

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Tigger

i had a 01 vectra sri dti and it came with an anti syphon as standard
cos it was old and a little sporty looking and diesel i got dipped at every customs check
every time i had to give them a sample from the fuel filter and every time it took ages to get her primed (the manual recommends a vaccum thingy to prime after the filter is changed

shietpilot

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Which is a complete load of b*llox. They should fix the source of the problem rather than making silly procedures to detect people abusing green diesel...

kadman

I noticed too that they were trying 2 or 3 different hoses, between different cars.

I never noticed any method of decontaminating each hose between different cars,

so presumably contaminated fuel could be passed to different cars.

I cant say i was impressed with any level of professionalism at all.

shietpilot

Tigger wrote: »

it took ages to get her primed (the manual recommends a vaccum thingy to prime after the filter is changed

They should at least be equipped with a vacuum pump. You can buy a vacuum pump for about €15 but sure why bother?

frozenfrozen

the cost of the man hours of dipping diesels should be added to the price per litre of diesel

DakarVert

I'd love to have some banger just legal.... Let them off pulling random hoses just to see what they'd do.



Would I let them near my at a checkpoint? Would I ****.

Nekarsulm

If I was fortunate enough to be able to afford a new diesel car, I would be reluctant to buy white diesel anywhere within 50 miles of the border.
The amount of washed shyte about is scary.
Your new car warrenty is worthless if you get a tank of "washed" stuff, you will be paying in full for pumps & injectors etc.
As I drive a DP Passat, a drain of the tank and a new filter will get you going.

Last place I got caught with, I reported them to Customs, but it's funny how no one is ever convicted when they find a laundry plant........

Tigger

shietpilot wrote: »

They should at least be equipped with a vacuum pump. You can buy a vacuum pump for about €15 but sure why bother?

my old 405 gtd had an inline bulb pump
most comfy car ever

ianobrien

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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But I'm not refusing, I want it done by trained professionals using proper facilities. The proper facilities and the trained professionals are located in the main dealers. The machine is still under the manufacturer's warranty.

Also, if they go pulling at things under the bonnet, will they cover any warranty claims? My machines are still under the manufacturer's warranty and you can be guaranteed that any problems with the fuel supply after the customs pulling at hoses would be refused.

Nekarsulm

Your car will be lifted, and you will be notified as to which customs yard you can recover it from. (In a week or so).

ThisRegard

Tigger wrote: »

my old 405 gtd had an inline bulb pump
most comfy car ever

So do the current Renaults.

kadman wrote: »

I noticed too that they were trying 2 or 3 different hoses, between different cars.

I never noticed any method of decontaminating each hose between different cars,

so presumably contaminated fuel could be passed to different cars.

I cant say i was impressed with any level of professionalism at all.

I don't think they use the same hose, they're sealed with the sample after a positive sample and sent to the lab afaik.

sunnysoutheast

This is why I always have a pile of recent fuel receipts in the armrest. Whether that will be enough for them every time I don't know.

Used to be very common to see them dipping at Rosslare, usually jeeps and vans though. The ones pulling caravans mainly.

Atlantic Dawn

I thought they were able to detect it from the exhaust emissions.

pred racer

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Your car will be lifted, and you will be notified as to which customs yard you can recover it from. (In a week or so).

And if I lock it, what do they do then?

ThisRegard

Drag it onto a truck.

pred racer

ThisRegard wrote: »

Drag it onto a truck.

I understand that bit it's not easy opening the bonnet of a locked car.

kadman

pred racer wrote: »

I understand that bit it's not easy opening the bonnet of a locked car.

Can opener:D

Nekarsulm

pred racer wrote: »

And if I lock it, what do they do then?

probably confiscate the keys from you. Or they are quite happy to drive to your house and get a spare set if they want.
If they suspect your refusal to comply is to conceal a criminal act, you will find that their range of powers are considerable.

biko

There's a lot of "big man on the internet" in this thread

vectra

Nekarsulm wrote: »

probably confiscate the keys from you. Or they are quite happy to drive to your house and get a spare set if they want.
If they suspect your refusal to comply is to conceal a criminal act, you will find that their range of powers are considerable.

And what if I locked it and refused to get out of it?
They can't lift it with someone inside it

I would tell them to accompany me to the local dealer or show me their qualifications

VincePP

vectra wrote: »

And what if I locked it and refused to get out of it?
They can't lift it with someone inside it

No - they'll just get you arrested, charged with obstruction and land you with a criminal record.

Some people are so full of bull

robtri

biko wrote: »

There's a lot of "big man on the internet" in this thread

so you would quite happily let any custom person pull at any hoses under your car to find fuel?

The Bishop Basher

robtri wrote: »

so you would quite happily let any custom person pull at any hoses under your car to find fuel?

You have no choice. They'll do it one way or the other.

Same as talking to a guard with an attitude, yo can pick a fight if you like but you'll lose every time.

Pick your battles...

kadman

So best off in future is to carry receipts and maybe a fuel line quick release pliers,

as the fuel lines are notorious to shift, and easily broken if treated with ignorance.

GM228

VincePP wrote: »

No - they'll just get you arrested

Or arrest you themselves! Many don't realise that customs officers have the same powers of arrest as Gardaí in these situations!

Fred Swanson

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newacc2015

shietpilot wrote: »

Which is a complete load of b*llox. They should fix the source of the problem rather than making silly procedures to detect people abusing green diesel...

Ban Diesel cars?

How do you address the issue? It is so tempting when you pull into a petrol station to see green diesel station half the price of regular diesel. People will be tempted to do illegal things if they think they wont be caught. Dipping for diesel prevents this

Tigger

Nekarsulm wrote: »

probably confiscate the keys from you. Or they are quite happy to drive to your house and get a spare set if they want.
If they suspect your refusal to comply is to conceal a criminal act, you will find that their range of powers are considerable.

customs are revenue
they have far more powers than say the Gaurds or superman

blackbox

newacc2015 wrote: »

Ban Diesel cars?

How do you address the issue? It is so tempting when you pull into a petrol station to see green diesel station half the price of regular diesel. People will be tempted to do illegal things if they think they wont be caught. Dipping for diesel prevents this

They could manage it the way that alcohol is managed. The retailer should have to keep records showing he bought the fuel from a source that had paid the duty. The retailer should have to match all sales to wholesale purchases. It's not rocket science.

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Tigger

GM228 wrote: »

Or arrest you themselves! Many don't realise that customs officers have the same powers of arrest as Gardaí in these situations!

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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more powers

dr.fuzzenstein

vectra wrote: »

And what if I locked it and refused to get out of it?
They can't lift it with someone inside it

I would tell them to accompany me to the local dealer or show me their qualifications

It's all in here:
http://www.revenue.ie/en/about/foi/s16/investigations-prosecutions-enforcement/enforcement/chapter-03.pdf

S. 134 (1)(b) F.A. 2001

Empowers an officer in uniform to stop any vehicle for
the purpose of examining and taking samples of fuel
(either in the vehicle or in anything attached to it and
capable of being used for combustion in its engine).
The person in charge of the vehicle must keep it
stationary to allow examination and must move it to a
more suitable location if the officer considers it
necessary.

Now, you're making the classic rookie mistake when dealing with the authorities, which is arguing and trying to tell the officials how to do their job. Keep it up, uniformed officers just LOVE that kind of thing and it will always result in a quick turnaround, no hassle, minimum fuss, trouble and later fines and other legal consequences.

pred racer

biko wrote: »

There's a lot of "big man on the internet" in this thread

I'm unbeatable on this side of the screen
And I'm always right too :pac:

dev100

kadman wrote:

In a car that got stopped at a checkpoint today for a dip.

kadman wrote:

No problem, as we use proper diesel.

kadman wrote:

But...young lassy couldn,t dip the tank at all, neither could her 4 superiors for some reason.

kadman wrote:

So they requested diesel receipts, which we dont keep.

kadman wrote:

Then they wanted to lift the bonnet, and then considered pulling off some pipes to get a sample.

kadman wrote:

It was quite clear neither of the 4 knew any thing about diesel engines.

kadman wrote:

Thankfully they re considered.......and waved us on our way.

Basically they have to show you whose boss they can't all be like your man off the customs and excise show on RTE in Dublin airport .....

Some makes and Models have those devices to stop siphoning so they should know which ones they are when they stop you. They probably were gauging by your reactions to their questions to see if you had a sweat on your brow. They don't need the hassle if they think you are being truthful.

They wouldn't be pulling pipes off my car . They could whistle Dixie for that. I'd be telling them they can take a sup out of the filter and no where else and put it back in when finished. If they don't have the tools that's their tough look . Problem with older cars start taking off pipes and clamps . Sometimes the clamps won't work properly.

I assumed they can do it at the exhaust now

I pay for diesel via credit card so to handy for a trail if needs be.

Never actually been dipped or past thru a check point at all driving since 2000.

TrailerBob

Been dipped a few times... pure as driven snow. There'd be no messin with them guys though. It's very clear. Pull over, open fuel cap, get out and stand with the officer. If he finds green, you'd be up the creek there and then. Any hassle/refusal to co-operate and you'd be in the cells for the night I have no doubt. I would also imagine, that if these guys are doing this every day, they wont just randomly go at some pipe that 'might' be a fuel pipe with a dirty vise-grips.

relax carry on

blackbox wrote: »

They could manage it the way that alcohol is managed. The retailer should have to keep records showing he bought the fuel from a source that had paid the duty. The retailer should have to match all sales to wholesale purchases. It's not rocket science.

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That already happens, however that isn't going to stop individuals putting green diesel into their cars when they aren't supposed to. Roadside tests will always be around so long as Green diesel is around.

Silly question, but are revenue specified as being allowed stop traffic in the statute books? I know Garda and lollipop person are there, traffic warden also has the ability, too.. but are revenue allowed to stop you? (I know its taken for granted that they can, but can they really?!)

relax carry on

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Silly question, but are revenue specified as being allowed stop traffic in the statute books? I know Garda and lollipop person are there, traffic warden also has the ability, too.. but are revenue allowed to stop you? (I know its taken for granted that they can, but can they really?!)

S. 134 (1)(b) F.A. 2001

Empowers an officer in uniform to stop any vehicle for the purpose of examining and taking samples of fuel (either in the vehicle or in anything attached to it and capable of being used for combustion in its engine).
The person in charge of the vehicle must keep it
stationary to allow examination and must move it to a more suitable location if the officer considers it necessary.

Do you think they are out there on a whim?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Will they put the diesel back in after testing ? Dat stuf cost bleeding money ya know :pac:

Do saabs have anti siphoning tanks / nozzels ?

Because my diesel filter is hidden behind a wheel arch in an odd place for some reason so opening the bonnet won't achieve anything with these "special' mechanics