PES 2017 - Thoughts & Discussion

TheMidnitekid

Just wondering the overall feeling on the boards of Konami's PES series?

Also be cool to have a place to discuss the news, rumours and obviously when screens, gameplay vids and the actual game itself comes, get an opinion from some of you guys.

PES always had a strong Irish following (especially in my age group anyway!) but it seems to have dropped off over the last 2-3 years which is a pity as the gameplay is finally back in the right direction.

Did PES 2016 show you enough to sway you from FIFA? Or is FIFA just too big, too social and ultimately too popular?

Would love a nice Irish discussion on a series I'm sure we all have memories of!

callaway92

It's far better than FIFA (without any doubt as a football fan) but there's a few small things that need tidying up. I don't care about how popular FIFA is, as long as I get a good game out of PES. I can see why the casual gamer would prefer FIFA, not just because of the automatic licensing but the whole Ultimate Team thing is very good too.

Just niggly things in the gameplay that drive me nuts sometimes - Inconsistent referees (or consistently bad!), high through balls being spammed from the other end of the pitch and being rewarded, PENALTIES!!!

I think online divisions are good the way it force you to choose weaker teams as you get promoted but I do often find myself losing unfairly when I'm Wolfsburg etc. against Real Madrid and they score a last minute winner from either a through ball down the wing crossed in and headed or else a long hit-and-hope through ball leading to a goal.

Highly addictive game though - Online and offline both enjoyable.

Mec27

Pes 2016 was very very poor, but tbh I think I wouldn't even enjoy pes 6 anymore. Fifa 13 was the best football game imo.

Mec27

Pes 2016 was very very poor, but tbh I think I wouldn't even enjoy pes 6 anymore. Fifa 13 was the best football game imo. FIFA 16 was painful and PES16 was rubbish

callaway92

Mec27 wrote: »

Pes 2016 was very very poor, but tbh I think I wouldn't even enjoy pes 6 anymore. Fifa 13 was the best football game imo. FIFA 16 was painful and PES16 was rubbish

At least some sort of reasoning would be nice to justify it being rubbish.

TheMidnitekid

callaway92 wrote: »

It's far better than FIFA (without any doubt as a football fan) but there's a few small things that need tidying up. I don't care about how popular FIFA is, as long as I get a good game out of PES. I can see why the casual gamer would prefer FIFA, not just because of the automatic licensing but the whole Ultimate Team thing is very good too.

Just niggly things in the gameplay that drive me nuts sometimes - Inconsistent referees (or consistently bad!), high through balls being spammed from the other end of the pitch and being rewarded, PENALTIES!!!

I think online divisions are good the way it force you to choose weaker teams as you get promoted but I do often find myself losing unfairly when I'm Wolfsburg etc. against Real Madrid and they score a last minute winner from either a through ball down the wing crossed in and headed or else a long hit-and-hope through ball leading to a goal.

Highly addictive game though - Online and offline both enjoyable.

Good points man. myClub is dying a slow death since the superstar agents gave everyone a brilliant team. Ref are crazy bad I agree 100% especially the advantage rule which harkens back to the days of bad programming bugs of ignoring a certain area and don't concede a foul.

Kits and emblems take about 2-3 hours to get perfect but the presentation of FIFA is miles ahead. High through balls & ping pong passing have plagued the faster based games, (PES 12, PES 16) whereas PES 13 & PES 14, 15 suffered from terrible shooting etc.

TheMidnitekid

Mec27 wrote: »

Pes 2016 was very very poor, but tbh I think I wouldn't even enjoy pes 6 anymore. Fifa 13 was the best football game imo. FIFA 16 was painful and PES16 was rubbish

I reckon FIFA 12 was the best overall, pace was perfect. You played much of PES to form this opinion?

Mec27

Yeah got it on release day, there is a good game somewhere there, but too many annoying aspects, I especially don't like the lack of satisfaction that a goal brings, and yes I played on full manual.

Nailz

Apart from Rocket League, PES 2016 is the best sport game I've played since FIFA 12, definitely a throwback to the days of PES 6 and prior as well. The gameplay is unbelievably crisp, the games themselves are true to real life and it's an enjoyable experience overall.

EA took their eye off the ball with FIFA though, they probably didn't think PES would ever recover in the fashion that it did in PES 2016, and it could potentially come back to bite them in the arse. Although it hasn't happened yet, probably down to its popularity and also that many younger people are unaware of PES' existence/quality.

But FIFA really has taken a nosedive over the last 2 or 3 years. Got FIFA 16 on day one last year and after giving it a chance I wanted to trade it in. It's become less of a game and more like the Sky Sports Experience.

I read a piece by VG editor Steve Burns recent where he called FIFA "Full-kit Wanker: The Game", I genuinely burst out laughing! I know that would probably rub FIFA heads the wrong way, but there's definitely a hint of truth to it.

Mec27

I only gave up on Konami in 2013, and never came around to Fifa until 13, was 12 that good!

Nailz

Mec27 wrote: »

I only gave up on Konami in 2013, and never came around to Fifa until 13, was 12 that good!

It was the best soccer game that EA Sports have ever produced, but that's just my opinion. Every FIFA since I feel has been a continuous regression. It still had many of the niggling problems that make the current FIFA games infuriating to play, but to a far lesser extent and its overall playability made up for them.

I properly moved over to FIFA from PES in 2008 when FIFA 09 & PES 2009 was released, even though I played plenty of FIFA 08 as PES 2008 was utter crap; the beginning of long period of ****e by PES post-PES 6.

I think FIFA 09 was the first of the games to feature the new game mechanics which also featured in the Euro 2008 licenced game which was really good at the time, but I think their whole game engine has become dated now. They need to replace it with something totally new, FIFA's collision system is bloody horrible, that's the first thing that need to be overhauled/replaced.

PES moved over to the Fox Engine for 2015 (made for MGS V) and I think that's what's transforming them at the moment, PES had stayed the same for too long and that's how they fell behind when the transition over to the PS3/360 gen took place. They fully got to grips with it this for 2016 and most people would attribute it's inclusion to the improvements in the game. I genuinely can't wait to see how PES 2017 turns out given the current trend in PES games.

astonaidan

Nailz wrote: »

Apart from Rocket League, PES 2016 is the best sport game I've played since FIFA 12, definitely a throwback to the days of PES 6 and prior as well. The gameplay is unbelievably crisp, the games themselves are true to real life and it's an enjoyable experience overall.

EA took their eye off the ball with FIFA though, they probably didn't think PES would ever recover in the fashion that it did in PES 2016, and it could potentially come back to bite them in the arse. Although it hasn't happened yet, probably down to its popularity and also that many younger people are unaware of PES' existence/quality.

But FIFA really has taken a nosedive over the last 2 or 3 years. Got FIFA 16 on day one last year and after giving it a chance I wanted to trade it in. It's become less of a game and more like the Sky Sports Experience.

I read a piece by VG editor Steve Burns recent where he called FIFA "Full-kit Wanker: The Game", I genuinely burst out laughing! I know that would probably rub FIFA heads the wrong way, but there's definitely a hint of truth to it.

Im guessing you dont play NBA 2K or MLB the show cause they are ahead of PES. I echo what someone mentioned scoring a goal is very meh.

TheMidnitekid

The community isn't what it used to be tbf. The emergence of online gaming has added to the lack of people trying PES as FIFA (Ultimate Team) continues to grow. Saying that, PES offline this year is the best ever apart from one or two small issues. Lack of proper Team AI is still a major issue in sports game but I don't think we will see this until a few years, even from NBA 2K which is astounding.

PES 2016 does do a much better job of providing the 'every match is different' experience though. That was lacking last year big time. Still not there yet in every game and scripting is atrocious online imho. More casual pick up n' play style from last two iterations.

Interesting question but do you guys pay attention to Team Spirit in your squads? Practically transforms the gameplay once it's 99 Team Spirit in Master League or myClub. Passing is crisper, shooting and defending tightens, even stamina improves.

My friend bought PES this year and couldn't understand why his 'top class players' couldn't control the ball when 1-0 down. Team Spirit literally changed his entire experience

TheMidnitekid

astonaidan wrote: »

Im guessing you dont play NBA 2K or MLB the show cause they are ahead of PES. I echo what someone mentioned scoring a goal is very meh.

I actually had never really thought about scoring satisfaction. I actually agree! Shooting too easy? Goalies too unreliable? Too easy break defense? All of the above probably!

NBA 2K16 is unreal. Easily my most played game apart from PES. It's a good bit ahead in every aspect

Mec27

TheMidnitekid wrote: »

The community isn't what it used to be tbf. The emergence of online gaming has added to the lack of people trying PES as FIFA (Ultimate Team) continues to grow. Saying that, PES offline this year is the best ever apart from one or two small issues. Lack of proper Team AI is still a major issue in sports game but I don't think we will see this until a few years, even from NBA 2K which is astounding.

PES 2016 does do a much better job of providing the 'every match is different' experience though. That was lacking last year big time. Still not there yet in every game and scripting is atrocious online imho. More casual pick up n' play style from last two iterations.

Interesting question but do you guys pay attention to Team Spirit in your squads? Practically transforms the gameplay once it's 99 Team Spirit in Master League or myClub. Passing is crisper, shooting and defending tightens, even stamina improves.

My friend bought PES this year and couldn't understand why his 'top class players' couldn't control the ball when 1-0 down. Team Spirit literally changed his entire experience

I actually think the only thing that ruins the game in anyway is the shooting, also the way the AI over and over and over again works the ball to the exact same area to score into the same spot, I have only ever conceded an edge of the box bottom corner goal, never anything else. Its a game ruiner for me.

Nailz

astonaidan wrote: »

Im guessing you dont play NBA 2K or MLB the show cause they are ahead of PES. I echo what someone mentioned scoring a goal is very meh.

You'd be right in guessing I don't play every iteration of them, I have MLB The Show 2015 but I haven't gotten an NBA 2K game since 2K13 on the PS3 (which was very good also) because I'm not really interested in NBA. But I've heard only good things about 2K16 and I'd be willing to take your word for it and check it out! Like I said though, barring RL, PES 2016 it's the best sports game "I played" since FIFA 12.

I can understand why you may feel that way on your latter point, but not for me, especially when it's an example of your game plan paying off. I can see how the general combination of powerful shooting and admittedly crap goalies can make it dissatisfying though, I can't disagree on that front. Not every game is perfect though, which is why I'm looking forward to PES 2017 and seeing where and how they made improvements to an already riveting game.

ItsHoggie

Some details about '17.
Comes out in autumn for the 360, One, PS3, PS4 and PC.

Some screenshots here
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-05-25-heres-our-first-look-at-pes-2017

Mec27

I think PES17 will be incredible, I think too many people give them the benefit of the doubt for 16, really look at the shooting and how the ball hits the net, it looks terrible.

TheMidnitekid

I'm actually going to be playing the game June 2nd after officially getting an invite! Can't wait to see these new features. Any questions you guys have let me know

callaway92

That f'ing stumbling/collision animation needs to be fixed for the next version, fair annoying every single time.

Colemania

Biggest problem for me is the goalkeepers. They're simply abysmal. In saying that Joe Hart was unbeatable in seasons mode against city. Amazing saves.

Good to see them making a big deal out of fixing that in PES 2017. First touch was an issue too so also good to see that getting a makeover of sorts. I read one review this morning saying that not everyone will like the changes and the gameplay is slightly slower but a lot can change before release.

Mec27

I hadn't played it in months, GK's sucked, but then played it recently and they looked to have improved, but one on ones are insanely in the strikers favour. I also don't like the way how the ball floats into the net on one on one shots.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie

Like many here I was a diehard ProEvo man for near a decade, but somewhere around 2011 I converted over to FIFA. Got nearly every incarnation of it from then on, but just got bored of it recently. Something about it is just very samey, and it wasn’t very enjoyable anymore. Any matches against the computer were boring as hell (I also found the gap in difficulty levels way to big, for example one setting would be too easy and move up to the next and its way too hard) and the online experience is just full of d1cks who use the same tactics to beat you.

Switched over to ProEvo as heard good things about PES 2016, and so far impressed after a few weeks. It really does feel more like a proper game experience and playing against the computer is very enjoyable. Haven’t even gone near the online games yet but will try them soon. Something about the way you have to play to succeed just seems far more closer to the real thing than how you have to play in FIFA to succeed (which seems to be do one of maybe 3 different set of tactics and you’ll get there). The goalkeepers are a bit dodgy alright, I’m not even sure that its too easy to beat them more the way the animation has been done for them to dive that makes it look like they aren’t trying their hardest ha ha.

TheMidnitekid

Dr.Winston O'Boogie wrote: »

Like many here I was a diehard ProEvo man for near a decade, but somewhere around 2011 I converted over to FIFA. Got nearly every incarnation of it from then on, but just got bored of it recently. Something about it is just very samey, and it wasn’t very enjoyable anymore. Any matches against the computer were boring as hell (I also found the gap in difficulty levels way to big, for example one setting would be too easy and move up to the next and its way too hard) and the online experience is just full of d1cks who use the same tactics to beat you.

Switched over to ProEvo as heard good things about PES 2016, and so far impressed after a few weeks. It really does feel more like a proper game experience and playing against the computer is very enjoyable. Haven’t even gone near the online games yet but will try them soon. Something about the way you have to play to succeed just seems far more closer to the real thing than how you have to play in FIFA to succeed (which seems to be do one of maybe 3 different set of tactics and you’ll get there). The goalkeepers are a bit dodgy alright, I’m not even sure that its too easy to beat them more the way the animation has been done for them to dive that makes it look like they aren’t trying their hardest ha ha.

I'm back from the UK since last night after having a hands on 7 hour session with PES 2017! It's a belter so far, goalies fixed, refs fixed, passing slower and defenders really overpowered! Like a different game from different developers

TheMidnitekid

Google pesuniverse to see my impressions on full detail of you guys want, won't post here by any questions you have are prob answered in the post.

Of course ask away as well here ðŸ‘

ItsHoggie

Think '17 will include anything else besides improving on the gameplay?
I don't know how the Edit Mode is in '16 as I haven't played it but I used to love it back on the PS2 days, from being able to make your own jerseys,crests, sponsors etc. Was class, I'd love it if they have a more detailed Edit Mode and bring back the create a stadium option.

IncognitoMan

I'd say a lot of work will be focused on MyClub. Like it or not that's the way football games are going.

UT and MyClub will both bring in fair amounts of cash after the game is sold. It's a publisher's dream. There will be small improvements to offline modes i'd say but the main focus will be MyClub and gameplay

ERG89

ItsHoggie wrote: »

Think '17 will include anything else besides improving on the gameplay?
I don't know how the Edit Mode is in '16 as I haven't played it but I used to love it back on the PS2 days, from being able to make your own jerseys,crests, sponsors etc. Was class, I'd love it if they have a more detailed Edit Mode and bring back the create a stadium option.

You could import kits quite easily the only negative was you were limited on the amount you could import. I doubt you could import all the teams in the PL & championship never mind the international ones. Definitely something that could be improved on in 2017. As well as squad/transfer updates.
I preferred pes to fifa the last few years but just don't find myself dipping back in & out as much.

ItsHoggie

ERG89 wrote: »

You could import kits quite easily the only negative was you were limited on the amount you could import. I doubt you could import all the teams in the PL & championship never mind the international ones. Definitely something that could be improved on in 2017. As well as squad/transfer updates.
I preferred pes to fifa the last few years but just don't find myself dipping back in & out as much.

Konami really f*cked up in terms of updating there squads with '16, hopefully they cop on with '17.

Ivefoundgod

TheMidnitekid wrote: »

Google pesuniverse to see my impressions on full detail of you guys want, won't post here by any questions you have are prob answered in the post.

Of course ask away as well here ðŸ‘

Tried to read your preview there and its black writing on blue background, can't read it. Thats on desktop. Clicked out of straight away.

Oat23

Konami have confirmed that the new game will have proper option files on PS4. You can share created teams/players via USB stick.

I hope they increase the image capacity too.

http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/pes-2017-option-file-sharing-confirmed-for-ps4/

ItsHoggie

Oat23 wrote: »

Konami have confirmed that the new game will have proper option files on PS4. You can share created teams/players via USB stick.

I hope they increase the image capacity too.

http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/pes-2017-option-file-sharing-confirmed-for-ps4/

They'd need it after losing the La Liga teams :pac:

Mec27

Pes 16 is a terrible game and only because of the finishing and the feeling that the players are ice skating around the pitch, really poor, annoying because it was so close to being a top game. Go one on one with the keeper and look how **** it looks when the ball literally floats into the net, that satisfying feeling of hitting the back of the net just is not there, it is something FIFA gets right. Also the opposition will only ever wack the ball bottom corner, it is the only goal they ever score against me, that variation is terrible and ruins the gameplay.

Lt Dan

astonaidan wrote: »

Im guessing you dont play NBA 2K or MLB the show cause they are ahead of PES. I echo what someone mentioned scoring a goal is very meh.

Surprised no one learned from NBA 2K and the Career mode. Despite the horrendous story line from Spike Lee last year, once you skip that, they still brought in some good new bits to the career mode. I frankly almost gave up on player soccer games for the last 3 seasons due to NBA game. Pes 2016 was good alright, but it still left me a little empty

Mec27

They need to make stats more important, I was playing today and you would not know the difference between playing with Barcelona, Belgium or Ireland, really poor.

AI needs more variation, they score the same goal every single time, awful. I love nothing more than conceding a goal which is original, I don't want to win every game, I just want organic, amazing matches. I'm done with the game because despite good points it has too much flaws.

Shooting and defenders are way overpowered in the game.

Nailz

Mec27 wrote: »

They need to make stats more important, I was playing today and you would not know the difference between playing with Barcelona, Belgium or Ireland, really poor.

That sounds like a completely different game to the one I'm playing. The distinction between the teams and also how their individual players vary is the thing that gives PES it's edge IMO.

I am forced to change my tactics and overall strategy every time I play the likes of Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal, etc. because of how they play out their matches differently to how Real, Chelsea, United and others do. You can brush aside most smaller teams with a strong side, but they sometime force you into changing your gameplan and the style of your players just to break them down or to counteract tactics that they are deploying against you.

B_Sharp

Konami's announced that the 360, PS3 and PC versions of PES 2017 will be $20 cheaper than the 'current-gen' versions. While it's good for anyone still on 360 or PS3, it's ridiculous that the PC version is going to be a basic port off hardware that was out of date three years ago. Bought PES 2016 on PC because it was so much easier to update jerseys etc but this is probably going to make me go back to console. Konami are a joke really.

Mec27

Nailz wrote: »

That sounds like a completely different game to the one I'm playing. The distinction between the teams and also how their individual players vary is the thing that gives PES it's edge IMO.

I am forced to change my tactics and overall strategy every time I play the likes of Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal, etc. because of how they play out their matches differently to how Real, Chelsea, United and others do. You can brush aside most smaller teams with a strong side, but they sometime force you into changing your gameplan and the style of your players just to break them down or to counteract tactics that they are deploying against you.

The variation is horrible. Whether I am playing Haiti, Ireland or Germany, their midfielder be it one from Haiti, James McCarthy or Toni Kroos will score the same thunderbolt again and again and again. A low hit bottom corner thunder bolt, I have not conceded one top corner goal vs the computer in my 7 months playing the game.

Pickpocket

Mec27 wrote: »

Pes 16 is a terrible game and only because of the finishing and the feeling that the players are ice skating around the pitch, really poor, annoying because it was so close to being a top game. Go one on one with the keeper and look how **** it looks when the ball literally floats into the net, that satisfying feeling of hitting the back of the net just is not there, it is something FIFA gets right. Also the opposition will only ever wack the ball bottom corner, it is the only goal they ever score against me, that variation is terrible and ruins the gameplay.

Can a game that is so close to being a top game actually be a terrible game? You're either being too generous or too harsh.

Mec27

Yeah because it is unplayable due to the poor shooting and AI

Nailz

Mec27 wrote: »

The variation is horrible. Whether I am playing Haiti, Ireland or Germany, their midfielder be it one from Haiti, James McCarthy or Toni Kroos will score the same thunderbolt again and again and again. A low hit bottom corner thunder bolt, I have not conceded one top corner goal vs the computer in my 7 months playing the game.

That's fair enough, but all of that has been far from my experience with the game. As I have said before, the reason why I came back to Pro Evo this year is because of its far superior match variety to FIFA, as well as its tactical accuracy, player individuality, how team systems matter on a variety of levels.

Mec27 wrote: »

Yeah because it is unplayable due to the poor shooting and AI

I don't understand the criticism of either of those aspects of PES, especially not AI. In terms of shooting, I would attribute you perception to how poor the goalkeeping is, the shooting is pretty much as any player would want it to be otherwise. The terrible range of the goalkeeping makes it seem like the shooting is overpowered.

whiskeyman

Mec27 wrote: »

Pes 2016 was very very poor, but tbh I think I wouldn't even enjoy pes 6 anymore. Fifa 13 was the best football game imo.

For me, PES2016 was the best yet.
Having played PES since the very start, I drifted after PES06.
But PES2016 finally rekindled the magic of the game for me.
I find pretty much everything perfect to give a wonderful soccer experience... shooting / passing / animations / keeping.... it all leads for so many different moments.
I honestly am worried with PES2017 as I hope they don't change it too much!
When you play a fully patched PES2016, it's very hard to spot anything wrong.

I'll admit I did swap over to FIFA around the 12/13/14 years, but they look very very poor now against 2016.

(I play all offline... not bothered with online play).

GavRedKing

I've ordered PES2017 for the first time since I last bought 2012 on the PS3. The GF got me FIFA15 but honestly, I wasnt a huge fan of it, hoping PES2017 rewkindles some of the magic from the older PES series.

Mec27

Nailz wrote: »

That's fair enough, but all of that has been far from my experience with the game. As I have said before, the reason why I came back to Pro Evo this year is because of its far superior match variety to FIFA, as well as its tactical accuracy, player individuality, how team systems matter on a variety of levels.
I don't understand the criticism of either of those aspects of PES, especially not AI. In terms of shooting, I would attribute you perception to how poor the goalkeeping is, the shooting is pretty much as any player would want it to be otherwise. The terrible range of the goalkeeping makes it seem like the shooting is overpowered.

So are you telling me you don't notice 9/10 goals from the AI hit the bottom corner of the goalies far post.

whiskeyman

Mec27 wrote: »

So are you telling me you don't notice 9/10 goals from the AI hit the bottom corner of the goalies far post.

Not for me.
I've had all sorts of goals scored against me from the AI.
long rangers... headers.... volleys... precision lobs... Some of them I had to save they were so sublime!

Mec27

record them, honestly please.

tigger123

Am playing the ML in Pes 2016 and am finding the Youth system too over powered. I never really have to venture into the transfer market as the players coming through are all awesome. Hopefully its addressed in 2017.

Nailz

tigger123 wrote: »

Am playing the ML in Pes 2016 and am finding the Youth system too over powered. I never really have to venture into the transfer market as the players coming through are all awesome. Hopefully its addressed in 2017.

It really is, I too hope it's addressed because otherwise ML will just get boring after the first 3 or 4 seasons. ML at the start really is enthralling and challenging, the team usually need a fair bit of rebuilding and their team spirit is just dire, causing you to lose to lesser opposition on many occasions unless you're able to counteract it itself.
But then it loses it challenge once the 76 rated 16 year old versions of Totti and John Terry start coming through, and your team has gelled together and is very familiar with your desired system.

This aspect of ML really needs a shake up to keep the player on their toes. Like encouraging long-term periods of stability and domination is good, and all top clubs experience it, especially the likes of Barca, Man Utd, Real Madrid, Bayern and Juve, but there doesn't seem to be anything to knock you back on your arse and force you to rebuild. You are able to rely on a full team of 18-25 year olds and win the treble year after year as the squad's quality never depletes, a new youth system with more realistic ratings, as well as shaking up the ratings of regenned 'retired' players would really do ML the world of good.

I actually had written a post in the PES 2016 thread regarding the strength of the retired players coming through the youth system. I've it quoted in below.

Nailz wrote: »

Do any of you lads think that the re-gens of the retired players in Master League give your teams far too much of a leg up from the word go?

Like I'm half way into my 6th ML season; I spent the first 5 with United (the default ML squad) and started dominating the league and Europe through a combination of tactical purchasing and promotions from the youth team. For my 6th season I decided to move over to Espanyol for a bit of a challenge and also to experience a different league, seeing how I would fair in La Liga with the big 3 still maintaining their oligopoly over Spanish soccer.

As expected with crap team spirit and an aging team with very few decent young players I struggled for the first 6 or 7 games, the transfer budget and the initial youth squad picks weren't great either. I had a packed squad as well with too many players over 30, so my first priority was to ship out those of which I did not deem necessary and give me some budget to play with, but most didn't go until the January transfer window.

I knew I would rely a good bit on the retired re-gens to rebuild the squad but I didn't think I would to the extent I did! After all the selling I was left with €55 million to spend and I hardly touched it because I was able to bring up the following players from the youth team:

Per Mertesacker
Francesco Totti
Franck Ribery (16 y.o free agent transfer)
Luca Toni
Tiago
Fernandinho

That's in addition to a re-gen of Tim Cahill I bought from United in the summer, and summer re-gens of Claudio Pizarro and Sergei Ignashevich.
Now about 30 games into La Liga I'm sitting 3 points above Atletico in 3rd, and 6/7 points behind Barca and Real respectively, and I'm almost guaranteed a CL position.

That's all great like, I'm enjoying the prospect of being back in the CL but I think these re-gens just take the challenge out of it, they are just too good. I think there probably should be a better way of regulating their distribution across teams in ML. I wouldn't mind but those players are only at 81-74 rating at the moment, and they're going to get a lot better very quick!

tigger123

Nailz wrote: »

It really is, I too hope it's addressed because otherwise ML will just get boring after the first 3 or 4 seasons. ML at the start really is enthralling and challenging, the team usually need a fair bit of rebuilding and their team spirit is just dire, causing you to lose to lesser opposition on many occasions unless you're able to counteract it itself.
But then it loses it challenge once the 76 rated 16 year old versions of Totti and John Terry start coming through, and your team has gelled together and is very familiar with your desired system.

This aspect of ML really needs a shake up to keep the player on their toes. Like encouraging long-term periods of stability and domination is good, and all top clubs experience it, especially the likes of Barca, Man Utd, Real Madrid, Bayern and Juve, but there doesn't seem to be anything to knock you back on your arse and force you to rebuild. You are able to rely on a full team of 18-25 year olds and win the treble year after year as the squad's quality never depletes, a new youth system with more realistic ratings, as well as shaking up the ratings of regenned 'retired' players would really do ML the world of good.

I actually had written a post in the PES 2016 thread regarding the strength of the retired players coming through the youth system. I've it quoted in below.

Yep, totally agree. I think it would add another layer of a challenge into the ML that's lacking at the moment. But it is literally the only thing that it lacks, the rest of it is really fantastic.

I can't help but feel that Konami are purposefully keeping it a little underdeveloped to steer people towards MyClub and micro transactions.

IncognitoMan

The transfer system in ML needs a huge reform as well. It's far far too easy to buy the really good players. I think I could have bought Hazard from Chelsea this year for something crazy low like 28m and that was playing as man utd who should realistically have to pay more seeing as its a direct rival. In real life that money gets you yannick bolasie not eden hazard

Currently doing a play through as Valencia using the master league originals as I waste time for the next month.

ERG89

Looks like PES got the Liverpool licence now, even the screen shot says that the redeveloped anfield will be available in a post launch data pack. Even good news with PES has its caveat. While I fully expect Liverpool in the game this year's rivalry seems to be about what they can take from each other.