Paris to Cairo flight down.

Alf Stewart.

Just breaking.

Flight from Paris to Cairo sith 66 people on board has disappeared from radar after entering Egyptian airspace over the Mediterranean.

Passengers include one child and two infant's .

Lets hope it ain't terrorism.

AndyBoBandy

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057599375/1/#post99768813

jamesbere

66 on board, looks like it went down in the sea.

fergiesfolly

66 on board in including 7 crew and 3 small children.
Went missing a few minutes into Egyptian airspace.
Barring a miracle, RIP all on board

Edit: Egyptian authorities believe it crashed into the Mediterranean.

koutoubia

With no May day or contact from the crew before it went missing it doesn't look good.

Samaris

There seems to have been a distress signal sent some two hours after the last reported contact. Maybe an automatic distress signal, not sure how that works?

Awful thing to happen.

Mint Sauce

Samaris wrote: »

There seems to have been a distress signal sent some two hours after the last reported contact. Maybe an automatic distress signal, not sure how that works?

Awful thing to happen.

Disappeared from radar about 10 minutes after last contact. The beacon was detected 90 minutes after due landing.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/egyptair-jet-disappears-over-mediterranean-sea-130783

Samaris

Yeah, there was a bit of confusion about that when it was being reported. It does look like it's an auto-distress signal.

gramar

Samaris wrote: »

Yeah, there was a bit of confusion about that when it was being reported. It does look like it's an auto-distress signal.

As is always the case in these situations there will be a lot of confusion and conflicting reports until the what really happened comes to light.

Cool Cool

maybe I am being stupid, but can't there be a better system of communication between airport control room and planes throughout the whole flight, like visual?

BattleCorp

Cool Cool wrote: »

maybe I am being stupid, but can't there be a better system of communication between airport control room and planes throughout the whole flight, like visual?

:rolleyes:

Visual? Yeah, because you can easily see a plane 1000 miles away.

The_Kew_Tour

Sky saying no distress signal and Rte saying there was

Polo_Mint

BattleCorp wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Visual? Yeah, because you can easily see a plane 1000 miles away.

Didnt you know that on many planes there is a camera on the tail of the plane?

:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvnoUNzmpUU

gramar

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Sky saying no distress signal and Rte saying there was

Just proving your point...


'Egypt's state-run newspaper, quoted an airport official saying that the pilot had not sent a distress signal before it disappeared. The last contact with the plane was ten minutes before it vanished, he was quoted as saying.

But EgyptAir tweeted later that Egypt's armed forces had received a distress signal "from the plane's emergency devices".


'The airline initially said there were 59 passengers on board but later said there were 56, including one child and two babies'

BattleCorp

Polo_Mint wrote: »

Didnt you know that on many planes there is a camera on the tail of the plane?

:rolleyes:

That camera is a reversing camera in case there is turbulence in mid air. You can reverse in the air and go around the turbulence.

mrsWhippy

It's very sad. RIP to all the passengers and staff. I'm very glad not to have any travel plans for the next 12 months, incidences like this seem to be becoming more regular.

Polo_Mint

BattleCorp wrote: »

That camera is a reversing camera in case there is turbulence in mid air. You can reverse in the air and go around the turbulence.

As On many planes, Alot are fitted with Cameras,

If Airlines connected these cameras to its own Batteries and and provided live feed to Airlines HQs which could be recorded, You would be able see if anything externally happens to planes.

The Technology is already fitted.its how its used is another thing.

There was no distress call, but there was a signal, according to Egyptian media.

As always, Reddit live thread here, if you want up-to-the-second updates.

Vicxas

This kinda stuff always makes me feel awful, especially when kids are involved.

I hope its not as bad as we think.

The Backwards Man

mrsWhippy wrote: »

It's very sad. RIP to all the passengers and staff. I'm very glad not to have any travel plans for the next 12 months, incidences like this seem to be becoming more regular.

There's a lot less of them than there used to be, and even then your chances of being caught up in an incident were miniscule .

Unconfirmed source at Greek airport that plane crashed near Karpathos Island.

Kerrydude1981

Just said on Sky that the military received a distress signal 90 minutes after the plane was due to land in Cairo

But now they are denying it.

Report from the captain of a merchant ship saying that he saw a flame in the sky.

Kerrydude1981

IvyTheTerrible

Oh no, how awful.
I hope they find the plane, it's awful for families if no trace is found.
A friend of mine died in September after the plane she was in (a small medivac plane) went down in the Atlantic. No trace has ever been found of the bodies or the plane, her parents are destroyed.

The_Kew_Tour

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Oh no, how awful.
I hope they find the plane, it's awful for families if no trace is found.
A friend of mine died in September after the plane she was in (a small medivac plane) went down in the Atlantic. No trace has ever been found of the bodies or the plane, her parents are destroyed.

Very sorry to hear.

It's something I dread, is a loved one never found.

I mean it's awful when someone dies, but not to have a body, to me, would eat me inside. I have no idea what families like this go through and hope I never will, but even the thought makes me go numb

I mean..

One of the many scary parts about this is if it were a terrorist attack and/or bomb as opposed to a mechanical failure, then how did they get past the security at Charles deGaulle airport? As awful as it is, you'd expect it to happen in less "civilized" areas, but in a major European airport in the post-9/11 world?

https://t.co/ehYOho4jqe

Reported video of fireball in the sky as seen by Greek residents.

Edit: How do you post tweets? I noticed others doing it on here.

skywanderer

The Daily Mail is citing sources pointing towards a possible terrorist attack.

Scuid Mhór

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean..

One of the many scary parts about this is if it were a terrorist attack and/or bomb as opposed to a mechanical failure, then how did they get past the security at Charles deGaulle airport? As awful as it is, you'd expect it to happen in less "civilized" areas, but in a major European airport in the post-9/11 world?

https://t.co/ehYOho4jqe

Reported video of fireball in the sky as seen by Greek residents.

Edit: How do you post tweets? I noticed others doing it on here.

Someone else said that fireball video is actually just a 2012 UFO sighting hoax video, but I'm not sure of the validity of that claim.

RIGHTisRIGHT

The first thing that popped into my mind was an Islamic attack.

Paris was hit twice last year Brussels was hit this year.
A Russian flight was blown up leaving Egypt last year.

I am due to fly in the next couple of weeks myself very scary times.:(

Uriel.

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

The first thing that pooped into my mind was an Islamic attack.

Paris was hit twice last year Brussels was hit this year.
A Russian flight was blown up leaving Egypt last year.

I am due to fly in the next couple of weeks myself very scary times.:(

:eek::pac:

Cazale

The Associated Press ‎@AP
BREAKING: Egypt's aviation minister: Possibility of a terror attack as cause of EgyptAir crash "stronger" than technical failure.

Cazale

Cazale wrote: »

The Associated Press ‎@AP
BREAKING: Egypt's aviation minister: Possibility of a terror attack as cause of EgyptAir crash "stronger" than technical failure.

Again.. what the hell happened at the airport?!

Autonomous Cowherd

I am seeing in some places that debris has been spotted? But I won't link to this disreputable sources (though they are often early birds when it comes to news)

Autonomous Cowherd

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I am seeing in some places that debris has been spotted? But I won't link to this disreputable sources (though they are often early birds when it comes to news)

Reddit live thread is pretty good for this.

Autonomous Cowherd

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/579183-egyptair-804-disappears-radar-paris-cairo-5.html
? don't know if good source

@LBCI_News_EN
Missing #Egyptair aircraft debris found south of #Greek island of Karpathos in southern Mediterranean - Greek state TV

Autonomous Cowherd

At the link I gave above the pics of debris (which are more widely confirmed) have been posted by someone claiming to be on board the ''ahram maersk'' which is a ship in the area.

Yurt2

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Deleted User wrote: »

I mean..

One of the many scary parts about this is if it were a terrorist attack and/or bomb as opposed to a mechanical failure, then how did they get past the security at Charles deGaulle airport? As awful as it is, you'd expect it to happen in less "civilized" areas, but in a major European airport in the post-9/11 world?

.

terrorist sympathisers working in the airport

IvyTheTerrible

Someone on RTE Radio this morning saying it would be more likely to have been put on the plane in Cairo .

RIGHTisRIGHT

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Someone on RTE Radio this morning saying it would be more likely to have been put on the plane in Cairo .

I was thinking that too.

Edit I am shocked this thread is only 3 pages long are people not shocked anymore?

FalconGirl

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

I was thinking that too.

Edit I am shocked this thread is only 3 pages long are people not shocked anymore?

Desensitized at this stage. It's kind of expected every so often unfortunately. Noting surprises me anymore.

Christy42

There isn't much to say aside from to express sympathy with the victim's families.

It is all very weird at this point. Parts are being found further away than expected. No one has said they did it but it also seems unlikely to be a technical fault. More information needed to figure out what happened really.

IvyTheTerrible

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Someone on RTE Radio this morning saying it would be more likely to have been put on the plane in Cairo .

I traveled to and from Cairo International several times last year. It was... different.

You complain about security taking too much time when you're traveling from EU/US, but when it's markedly less tight, it doesn't exactly ease your mind.

I know what I prefer.

dragona

I know the chances are low but these instances DO make me anxious about flying

dragona

dragona wrote: »

I know the chances are low but these instances DO make me anxious about flying

The way to look at it is this, Dragona:

Every time something like this happens, another lesson is learned that makes your next flight safer. The lengths people go to find out exactly what happened and where that gap can be plugged is extreme.

Those people have most likely lost their lives, but your life is likely to be safer every time you fly as a result of that sad event.

For example, if security at Cairo was found wanting in this case, then that will be much tighter in future, making everyone else safer that flies from there.

RobertKK

US officials say the early belief is a bomb took down the plane: CNN

Seems one of the big concerns is terrorists who who work at airports, in Charles de Gaulle airport 58 people were let go late last year due to concerns about their backgrounds.
Same with Brussels and other airports.


We had the Russian plane that was blown up over the Sinal desert, the bomb was believed to have got on the plane at Sharm el Sheikh.

CruelCoin

Candie wrote: »

For example, if security at Cairo was found wanting in this case, then that will be much tighter in future, making everyone else safer that flies from there.

The flight left from Paris....

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

US officials say the early belief is a bomb took down the plane: CNN

Seems one of the big concerns is terrorists who who work at airports, in Charles de Gaulle airport 58 people were let go late last year due to concerns about their backgrounds.
Same with Brussels and other airports.


We had the Russian plane that was blown up over the Sinal desert, the bomb was believed to have got on the plane at Sharm el Sheikh.

Security at Sharim al Sheikh was an absolute joke, I'm sure it's improved now.

I was in Brussels airport a few weeks ago after the bombing, it was absolutely locked down in every way. That's the way it's going to have to go in future.

CruelCoin

Well, this makes my travel plans more awkward, again.

Just as it was getting easier to get to Egypt, this **** happens...

CruelCoin

CruelCoin wrote: »

The flight left from Paris....

Yes. It was an example of how security can improve after a tragedy, not a specific comment on this particular event. Someone had commented on it being an issue with security in Cairo.