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2016 Women's World Championships

  • 18-05-2016 1:04pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭


    Looking at the draw for the world champs, probably going to be Katie Taylor's best ever achievement if she takes gold here. First fight on Saturday will likely be against the Italian Irma Testa who's already qualified for Rio. Expect Taylor to win but it's a tough enough assignment for a last 32. Seeded to meet Alekseevna in the semi-final, I'm assuming she'll have her Olympic place secured by that point (open to correction on that) but of course she'll be desperate for revenge. Really looking forward to these championships.

    Ceire Smith is out tomorrow against Colombian Ingrit Valencia. Don't know much about her other than that she's Olympic bound, having reached the finals of the American qualifier. Looks a tough opening bout for Smith.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I believe reaching the semis gets her Rio place. And there was some other criteria. Something to do with the winner in Turkey lasy month medaling at the WCs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Yeah the top four are definitely in. Obviously if Alekseevna, or other already qualified boxers, make it to the semis, those places then pass down. I'm not certain how that works, but I think it may be that once Alekseevna makes the semis, Taylor is in, by virtue of being beaten by her in the Euro qualifiers, and regardless of how Taylor fares in Astana. So it's a two chances kinda thing.

    I'm open to correction on that, but it's my assumption anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Ceire Smith beaten by Ingrit Valencia. Won the first round but lost remaining three. Not the best start in one of the Olympic categories, but did look a tough draw for her in fairness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    The Walsh thing remains a mystery it seems. Was hoping there'd be a mention in one of the previews but nobody seems to have raised the question. Seems there'll be a Walsh v Moylette box-off too but no confirmed date yet when it will happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    I suppose their attitude is if nobody asks them they're not going to bother to tell. I thought some journalist might have been curious enough to ask, but the media only really cares about Katie Taylor. That's just the way it is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Looking at the draw for the world champs, probably going to be Katie Taylor's best ever achievement if she takes gold here. First fight on Saturday will likely be against the Italian Irma Testa who's already qualified for Rio. Expect Taylor to win but it's a tough enough assignment for a last 32. Seeded to meet Alekseevna in the semi-final, I'm assuming she'll have her Olympic place secured by that point (open to correction on that) but of course she'll be desperate for revenge. Really looking forward to these championships.

    Ceire Smith is out tomorrow against Colombian Ingrit Valencia. Don't know much about her other than that she's Olympic bound, having reached the finals of the American qualifier. Looks a tough opening bout for Smith.

    The Italian lost to the Swede. That seems like a bit of an upset as the Italian pushed Alekseevna very close in the final of the qualification tournament last month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I could be wrong on the Walsh thing but is she a "loose canon" in the eyes of the IABA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Great to see we have almost full list of boxers for these championships. It's going to be very tough for all of them to get a Rio place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    pac_man wrote: »
    Not sure where your getting that from, she was injured for the Europeans last month and I can only speculate that she might still be injured.

    Not getting it from anywehere. Just wondering why no information on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    pac_man wrote: »
    Not sure where your getting that from, she was injured for the Europeans last month and I can only speculate that she might still be injured.

    The injury might have set her back but she boxed for Antrim in an international against Greece last month so not sure it is still a factor. There could also have been a weight issue, but that wouldn't have ruled her out returning to 54kg. It's just a tough one to figure really,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    The Italian lost to the Swede. That seems like a bit of an upset as the Italian pushed Alekseevna very close in the final of the qualification tournament last month.

    It's hard to know. Testa was still fighting as a junior this time last year at a lower weight, so in fairness she's made a huge leap in a short space of time. The Swede, from what I read, was more highly rated as a junior, but don't think she gave Taylor too many problems when they met in Bray last year. I have a feeling Taylor was either below par or a little short of focus in Turkey and maybe Alekseevna was made to look better than she really is. Its only a suspicion though and time will tell the truth of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Taylor with more assertion and aggression wins her 6th title!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    walshb wrote: »
    Taylor with more assertion and aggression wins her 6th title!

    It's some motivation to have anyway, I really hope she does it. Same with Mary Kom too, another phenomenal athlete, six would be a very hard target to reach given how competitive some of these divisions are becoming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Taylor advances after unanimous points won vs. the Swede.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    walshb wrote: »
    Taylor advances after unanimous points won vs. the Swede.

    One judge somehow gave the third round to the Swede which I thought was by far Taylor's best round!

    Alekseevna looked quite impressive today too, a very clever fighter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    One judge somehow gave the third round to the Swede which I thought was by far Taylor's best round!

    Alekseevna looked quite impressive today too, a very clever fighter.

    Agreed. Taylor won well. The standard across the weights is very impressive. Watched a fair few scraps and was well impressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    walshb wrote: »
    Agreed. Taylor won well. The standard across the weights is very impressive. Watched a fair few scraps and was well impressed.

    Standards are improving very quickly now, think that's beyond doubt. Just watched Grainne Walsh in the 69kg against a Pole, lost the first round but won well in the end. They both just went at it from the bell, left nothing behind, really good fight to watch. Good to see somebody else carrying the flag over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Standards are improving very quickly now, think that's beyond doubt. Just watched Grainne Walsh in the 69kg against a Pole, lost the first round but won well in the end. They both just went at it from the bell, left nothing behind, really good fight to watch. Good to see somebody else carrying the flag over there.

    I'll catch that later on the AIBA feed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Taylor due in the ring circa 1500 hrs Irish time today in the last 16. Argentine opponent.

    Kellie Harrington due in the ring circa 1000 hrs today in the last 16 @ 64 kgs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    That was very good from Kellie Harrington, one fight away from a medal now. Very impressed by that performance against a decent yardstick.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    That was very good from Kellie Harrington, one fight away from a medal now. Very impressed by that performance against a decent yardstick.

    Can she qualify for the Olympics?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    finbarrk wrote: »
    Can she qualify for the Olympics?

    Unfortunately no Olympic event in the 64kg category. There was talk of adding more women's divisions, but too much politics involved I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Very impressive against an admittedly weak but spirited opponent. I dont expect it's a major problem but her nose opened up again and she had problems with it in Turkey too. Anyway, onwards to the serious business now!

    See the Chinese got beaten in the other ring, very surprised by that. Had her down as a lock to emerge from the other half.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    pac_man wrote: »
    She boxed alot better today than she did against that Swede. I watched Grainne Walsh yesterday and was seriously impressed for someone only boxing four years.

    Agree. She seemed a lot looser and more relaxed today, think a few nerves may have inhibited her on Saturday which was understandable in the circumstances I think.

    Walsh was excellent and Harrington did well this morning too. Get the feeling there's the real makings of a team there now, rather than just Katie Taylor and a few passengers. Add in Micheala Walsh if she gets back and Ciara Ginty if she continues to progress and the future looks pretty bright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Annoyingly cant access the feed where i am, but Kellie Harrington has won first 2 rounds against the local Kazakh fighter. Hope she can keep it together now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    And she does! Great stuff from Harrington, didn't see the fight but on the basis of her previous performances, I'm not that surprised. Guaranteed at least bronze now but could get better. Hopefully just the start of a landmark day for Irish women's boxing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    No joy for Grainne Walsh, TKO round one apparently. Disappointing end, but a good tournament overall, she'll have learned a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    And she does! Great stuff from Harrington, didn't see the fight but on the basis of her previous performances, I'm not that surprised. Guaranteed at least bronze now but could get better. Hopefully just the start of a landmark day for Irish women's boxing.

    To win every round against a girl from Kazakhstan in Astana is pretty impressive. She'll fight the girl from China who beat Sandy Ryan from England in the other QF.

    List of Irish women who've won medals at the World championships
    1) Katie Taylor (06, 08, 10, 12, 14, ??)
    2) Kellie Harrington (16)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,344 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    And she does! Great stuff from Harrington, didn't see the fight but on the basis of her previous performances, I'm not that surprised. Guaranteed at least bronze now but could get better. Hopefully just the start of a landmark day for Irish women's boxing.

    Delighted for her. I knew her when she started off and she was so dedicated to her boxing. Great that it's paying off for her.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Taylor due in the ring at about 1530 hrs Irish time.

    236 Quarterfinals Women's Light (60kg) RED TAYLOR Kati
    e IRL
    BLUE TORRES Victoria MEX


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    She's due in at 2.30 our time. Session starts at 2 and she's fight 3 in Ring A. Hopefully the stream is back up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Taylor's fight is on RTE one and on the RTE player. They're just showing harrington's win now

    http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/live/8/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Comfortably winning but it's a decent scrap she's in all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,952 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Katie up with all 3 judges after round 3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,952 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    Comfortable win and qualified for Olympics


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    That was superb to watch. Torres was tough as boots, but Taylor beat her for class and skill and was stronger when they went toe to toe too. Gonna be sore tomorrow that's for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Katie will face Estelle Mossely who's just beaten Allekseevna


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Dodge wrote: »
    Katie will face Estelle Mossely who's just beaten Allekseevna

    Katie has had a few wins over the French girl. She's quality. Bit of a bummer that Katie doesn't get to avenge her loss to Allekseevna. Main thing is that she is now Rio bound!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I poxy well missed it. Calculated the times wrong. Astana 5 hrs ahead. 1900 - 5 hours is 1400 hrs. I had 1500 hrs in my head for the session start!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    walshb wrote: »
    Katie has had a few wins over the French girl. She's quality. Bit of a bummer that Katie doesn't get to avenge her loss to Allekseevna. Main thing is that she is now Rio bound!

    Thought that was poor from Alekseevna, however frustrating Mossely is to fight, and thought she was poor in her last fight too. Actually the more I see of her, the more convinced I am that Taylor just wasn't herself in Turkey for whatever reason. Definitely a pity we don't get the rematch because I have no doubt Taylor would have won it easily.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    walshb wrote: »
    I poxy well missed it. Calculated the times wrong. Astana 5 hrs ahead. 1900 - 5 hours is 1400 hrs. I had 1500 hrs in my head for the session start!

    Did something very similar the first day, had 1600 in my head. I took 1900 as 9 for some reason, subtracted 5 and got 4. Doh!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I got to see the fight. Taylor for me is a level below her best. Seems to be a little sluggish and a step slower. Still very good, juts something missing as regards spark. And, her punches seem to lack any weight and force.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,037 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Thought that was poor from Alekseevna, however frustrating Mossely is to fight, and thought she was poor in her last fight too. Actually the more I see of her, the more convinced I am that Taylor just wasn't herself in Turkey for whatever reason. Definitely a pity we don't get the rematch because I have no doubt Taylor would have won it easily.

    I thought too that that fight in Turkey may have been unfairly marked. It was very close and not as clearcut as the judges had it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,037 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    walshb wrote: »
    I got to see the fight. Taylor for me is a level below her best. Seems to be a little sluggish and a step slower. Still very good, juts something missing as regards spark. And, her punches seem to lack any weight and force.

    I guess a lot of this will be answered in the fight against Mossely, as she clearly is an excellent fighter. If Taylor was to impress there, you might have to reassess things as she can only beat what's put in front of her and she's fighting the best boxers in the world at this tournament.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I guess a lot of this will be answered in the fight against Mossely, as she clearly is an excellent fighter. If Taylor was to impress there, you might have to reassess things as she can only beat what's put in front of her and she's fighting the best boxers in the world at this tournament.

    I fully agree. Outside the ring can be very misleading. Been watching her years now. When I say a she seems a step slower and a bit past it I mean it only slightly. The opposition is class, and has been class for several years now. She's the best, but barely. That is testament to the depth of competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,227 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Thought that was poor from Alekseevna, however frustrating Mossely is to fight, and thought she was poor in her last fight too. Actually the more I see of her, the more convinced I am that Taylor just wasn't herself in Turkey for whatever reason. Definitely a pity we don't get the rematch because I have no doubt Taylor would have won it easily.

    Can't see how you'd think she'd win easily.They have had 3 competitive fights to date


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,037 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    walshb wrote: »
    I fully agree. Outside the ring can be very misleading. Been watching her years now. When I say a she seems a step slower and a bit past it I mean it only slightly. The opposition is class, and has been class for several years now. She's the best, but barely. That is testament to the depth of competition.

    There could also be a touch of her opposition catching up on Katie and making it look like she's slowing down and not as sharp as she was. Certainly the standard of boxer she's facing here is no different to what she'll come up against in Rio, so this week should prove a good form guide for the Olympics. If she was to win this tournament, then obviously it would show she is in very good shape indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I thought too that that fight in Turkey may have been unfairly marked. It was very close and not as clearcut as the judges had it.

    To be honest I never had any problem with the judging, I felt Taylor hadn't done enough to win, just think she was under par that week and, although I'm sure she'd emphatically deny this, maybe even just a touch complacent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    walshb wrote: »
    Can't see how you'd think she'd win easily.They have had 3 competitive fights to date

    Academic now really but I remain confident that she'd win comfortably and, all things being equal, the same will apply in Rio. I watched all their fights these past few days, Taylor is clearly focussed and boxing well, Alekseevna looked sluggish in all her contests, not just today. On that basis, Taylor would have smoked her, I'm certain of that, and I bet Alekseevna is happy enough no rematch will ensue.

    Admittedly I'm finding it hard to size Alekseevna up. She's obviously talented, but maybe too one-dimensional. When she fell behind today, didn't seem like she'd any idea on how to claw her way back, no Plan B, just think she didn't have it this week for some reason I can't quite figure out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,037 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Academic now really but I remain confident that she'd win comfortably and, all things being equal, the same will apply in Rio. I watched all their fights these past few days, Taylor is clearly focussed and boxing well, Alekseevna looked sluggish in all her contests, not just today. On that basis, Taylor would have smoked her, I'm certain of that, and I bet Alekseevna is happy enough no rematch will ensue.

    Admittedly I'm finding it hard to size Alekseevna up. She's obviously talented, but maybe too one-dimensional. When she fell behind today, didn't seem like she'd any idea on how to claw her way back, no Plan B, just think she didn't have it this week for some reason I can't quite figure out.

    In the final of the Olympic qualifiers in Turkey, Alekseevna made very heavy going of her fight against the teenage Italian Testa (a boxer who lost in the first round of this World Championship). I don't buy the theory that she wasn't focussed on this tournament and had her eyes on Rio....coming away from the World Championships without a medal and off the back of a hammering seems a lousy way of preparing for the Olympics and is surely a big dent in her confidence.


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