the dead lorry , bringing the dead to you

kerry cow

Whats people feelings on these lorries driving in to our yards with all sorts hiding inside , I think they should be kept outside the gate , in nz they leave the dead at the farm entrance , do we need to become more secure in our fight against disease , ??

Kovu

They serve a valid purpose, can't imagine it's an enjoyable job. We usually drag the animal to the pen closest pen to the road so the lorry is only at the edge of the farm.
I certainly prefer having a lorry service than dragging the animal onto a trailer and bringing it to a refinery 60/70 miles away myself. You can't choose where some animals die but placing the sick/ill in an easily accessed area can make life a lot easier if things go legs up.

bogman_bass

Leaving dead animals at the gate wouldn't be great PR for the industry

C0N0R

kerry cow wrote: »

Whats people feelings on these lorries driving in to our yards with all sorts hiding inside , I think they should be kept outside the gate , in nz they leave the dead at the farm entrance , do we need to become more secure in our fight against disease , ??

Never left any dead animals at the end of the farm enterance in New Zealand. Lorry either came onto the farm or the animal was buried.

_Brian

I doubt they're bringing much that isn't being carried by the vets car or a milk lorry and they aren't left at the gate.

Imaging the shame of having to have a dead cow at the road waiting for the knackers truck, and then him be a day or two late as can happen. 😱

Arrow in the Knee

Neighbour had a bullock dead at the road gate of one of his fields.

Plenty of cars slowing down having a good gawk at the carcass.
A few days later he moved him.

Mind you he's fierce easing going.

_Brian

When our neighbour was heavily stocked he would have dead cows in the fields, I remember at one stage he was buying old screws and there were three dead in one field along the road. Didn't move them till he was reported.

longgonesilver

The container part of the lorry is supposed to be watertight so that nothing drips out. There are loads of squeezing bolts on the back of the one that comes here, but usually only a few of them are closed.

ganmo

kerry cow wrote: »

Whats people feelings on these lorries driving in to our yards with all sorts hiding inside , I think they should be kept outside the gate , in nz they leave the dead at the farm entrance , do we need to become more secure in our fight against disease , ??

for proper biosecurity you'll need an undercarriage washer at the gate and a foot bath for the driver

that would help prevent you with your sales man problem too

_Brian

ganmo wrote: »

for proper biosecurity you'll need an undercarriage washer at the gate and a foot bath for the driver

that would help prevent you with your sales man problem too

And the bad workers

blue5000

During F and M crisis had to leave them at the gate, maybe leave them where there's room to turn, before they get to yard might be an option.

ganmo

blue5000 wrote: »

During F and M crisis had to leave them at the gate, maybe leave them where there's room to turn, before they get to yard might be an option.

wanna feel old?

That was the year of my confirmation!

whelan2

ganmo wrote: »

wanna feel old?

That was the year of my confirmation!

My eldest was born that year. Checkpoints on the way to the hospital. Were confirmations postponed during the outbreak?

ganmo

whelan2 wrote: »

My eldest was born that year. Checkpoints on the way to the hospital. Were confirmations postponed during the outbreak?

No not in Dublin anyway
We moved the usual celebrations from the house to a local golf club.

kerry cow

When I posted I didnt mean to dump them at the gate and leave them to rot , was looking to see what other people do , like should we get lorry to wait outside the gate and bring the animal to him or for calves have some type of a skip for them at the gate ,if it was law then we would all have to comply , what shame is there , where there is livestock theres dead stock , what do people think when they see the dead truck going into your yard , fot tea is it ? Cant please some people , I was just trying to stop disease , dirty wheels , dirty boots , how many times have we seen the driver crawl over the dead animals for a tag or remove a difficult chain and tramp all over our yards , disease lives on a spec , have they a cover over their load between farms ,
Who gives a **** .

CloughCasey1

kerry cow wrote: »

When I posted I didnt mean to dump them at the gate and leave them to rot , was looking to see what other people do , like should we get lorry to wait outside the gate and bring the animal to him or for calves have some type of a skip for them at the gate ,if it was law then we would all have to comply , what shame is there , where there is livestock theres dead stock , what do people think when they see the dead truck going into your yard , fot tea is it ? Cant please some people , I was just trying to stop disease , dirty wheels , dirty boots , how many times have we seen the driver crawl over the dead animals for a tag or remove a difficult chain and tramp all over our yards , disease lives on a spec , have they a cover over their load between farms ,
Who gives a **** .

Jaysus Kerry Cow. You are one angry man. You have a lot of valid points. But for the love of God stop trying to shove your opinions down everyones throat. you come accross as a man who has been his own boss and law maker for far too long and if ya think that sort of sh1twork will work on here you may think again.

farmerjj

Take the animal to the knackery KC if your that worried, I just bring the animal close to the drive way, so straight in and straight out.

whelan2

farmerjj wrote: »

Take the animal to the knackery KC if your that worried, I just bring the animal close to the drive way, so straight in and straight out.

nooooooooooooo sure you'll pick up diseases there too

kerry cow

Sorry lads , just making what I call a piont of conversation , fair enough you may not agree , and no I never shovel down someones throat , that was a unfair comment , always open to hear what others think , open to learning and making contacts , cheers

longgonesilver

You are making a valid point, you do come across a bit forceful sometimes, but everyone is welcome here, and all opinions are welcome.

All farmyards should be designed so that the animals have access to one section and visiting lorries, dead lorry, milk lorry, deliveries etc have access to another. Lorries should leave with clean wheels and hoses, and anything they leave behind should not be accessed by animals.
However that is the ideal, not always achievable in an existing yard and hard to prevent in practise. Separate roads for tractors and lorries, disinfect boots and wheels when going from one area to another, It gets hard to maintain everyday.

ganmo

longgonesilver wrote: »

You are making a valid point, you do come across a bit forceful sometimes, but everyone is welcome here, and all opinions are welcome.

All farmyards should be designed so that the animals have access to one section and visiting lorries, dead lorry, milk lorry, deliveries etc have access to another. Lorries should leave with clean wheels and hoses, and anything they leave behind should not be accessed by animals.
However that is the ideal, not always achievable in an existing yard and hard to prevent in practise. Separate roads for tractors and lorries, disinfect boots and wheels when going from one area to another, It gets hard to maintain everyday.

is there any farmyard set up like that in ireland (outside of pig & poultry)

longgonesilver

I can think of one. Parlour is at the side of the road, and milk lorry pulls up on concrete apron. Fertilizer lorry parks here also and fertilizer brought into machinery yard. Forktruck and tractors still cross paths. No idea about dead lorry, Cattle lorry goes into yard so bio security broken there. Complete isolation must be near impossible if you want to interact with the outside world, and the more you think about it the harder it gets.:rolleyes: We could learn a lot from chicken and pig sector.

Base price

bogman_bass wrote: »

Leaving dead animals at the gate wouldn't be great PR for the industry

I'm sure it would attract the attention of the Environmental Health Officer fairly quickly too.
Personally I don't have an issue with the dead lorry other than having to get it in the first place. On a hot summers day the smell of it can be fairly high but the lad we use has a sealed floor and holding tank for run off. Fair play to them for collecting animals that are dead several days and well bloated because the farmer "forgot" to ring them sooner.

Miname

I try my best not to have the dead Lorry about the place. There's a small area along the yard lane il leave the animal if I'm unfortunate enough to have one. Calves all go into a ton bag and dropped off at the knacker yard bag and all. Everything in the knackers yard is done inside but I always leave my ones outside and let them deal with it. Bio security is important and can be limited but if you think about it too much you'd need to spend tens of thousands and restrict nearly all people from entering and then you'd have no one to look at all those lovely cows.

Base price

Miname wrote: »

I try my best not to have the dead Lorry about the place. There's a small area along the yard lane il leave the animal if I'm unfortunate enough to have one. Calves all go into a ton bag and dropped off at the knacker yard bag and all. Everything in the knackers yard is done inside but I always leave my ones outside and let them deal with it. Bio security is important and can be limited but if you think about it too much you'd need to spend tens of thousands and restrict nearly all people from entering and then you'd have no one to look at all those lovely cows.

Don't forget about the wild mammals and birds too :rolleyes:

huey1975

Maybe if Kerry cow let the vet treat the sick animal with some of the medicines that he had in the back of his van, instead of spending 3 days seeing where he could his fill his prescription at least cost, he would have less use for the knacker lorry!!

J.O. Farmer

huey1975 wrote: »

Maybe if Kerry cow let the vet treat the sick animal with some of the medicines that he had in the back of his van, instead of spending 3 days seeing where he could his fill his prescription at least cost, he would have less use for the knacker lorry!!

He might not have to spend 3 days looking if he wasn't running all the sales reps too.

Jb1989

Was a fair enough thread to have, seems to be ruined now with rubbish talk unfortunately.

foxy farmer

We should all be living in our own little bubbles. The ultimate in bio security measures.
Geodesic domes.
Just put your rubbish in a wheelie bin outside the entrance for collection.

rangler1

There's no point in being over the top regarding bio security, you have to credit your livestock with good immunity (if they're properly looked after)... unlike above we don't all live in a bubble.
Powerwashed sheds look lovely I'm sure, but how many rats mice etc will be in that shed before the stock goes in

patsy_mccabe

Let's face it, how many animals actually die of an infectious disease. Very few. Grass tetany, difficult calvings, redwater, milk fever...... etc etc.

Was talking about this one day to a guy. He was telling me a story of how he went in one day into a knackers yard yer man was sitting on a dead cow, eating a sandwich. In the middle of chatting, yer man puts the sandwich down on the belly of the dead cow, picks it ups again and eats away.

pedigree 6

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Let's face it, how many animals actually die of an infectious disease. Very few. Grass tetany, difficult calvings, redwater, milk fever...... etc etc.

Was talking about this one day to a guy. He was telling me a story of how he went in one day into a knackers yard yer man was sitting on a dead cow, eating a sandwich. In the middle of chatting, yer man puts the sandwich down on the belly of the dead cow, picks it ups again and eats away.

He must have been talking about the knackers yard over here in this part of the country.:D

Ah look this is a good thread and started for good reasons.
Every farmer has to take as much precautions as practically possible.
On a country point of view if the position was taken -what's the point?- this country would now be overrun with foot and mouth and tb.
On a farm point of view someone pointed out how he brought back some foot infection from a college in the UK to his own herd on his boots. This is exactly how these things spread. Another poster said how in the spring when going to mart they have a different pair of boots and an extra pair is no harm.

We were tb testing yesterday and the vet washed his boots and leggings with the hot water in the pit in the parlour.
Look every farmer has to take precautions and not be shur if I'm going to get it I'm going to get it.
That means washing your hands and boots if after being on a neighbouring farm so be it, it won't kill you.

I said in a post here before that I had one case of a calf born with bvd last year. I narrowed down the cow to getting the infection from either the dead Lorry being in the yard the year before or a neighbour's cattle in a field beside the cows when grazing aftergrass (but he assures me that none of them had it). So I think it most likely that one of the dead animals in the Lorry had it and some of the juice came off the lorry in the yard and the cow smelt and picked it up that way.
So now I won't let the lorry if I can help it (not always practical ) where the cattle have access. Only had the one case and followed the dept instructions and isolated the calf and got it put down and then clean boots and hands when dealt with it and it stayed at one case and 0 cases this year and now being declared bvd neg herd.

Another issue of biosecurity is tb spreading and denying badgers access to drinking troughs (through high troughs).

I could talk forever on biosecurity.:D

bogman_bass

huey1975 wrote: »

Maybe if Kerry cow let the vet treat the sick animal with some of the medicines that he had in the back of his van, instead of spending 3 days seeing where he could his fill his prescription at least cost, he would have less use for the knacker lorry!!

Below the belt lad

longgonesilver

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Let's face it, how many animals actually die of an infectious disease. Very few. Grass tetany, difficult calvings, redwater, milk fever...... etc etc.

It isn't just the ones that die either, its the loss of performance, the abortions, empty cows, the costs of treatment, the hassle and worry of having sick animals, animals suffering needlessly. Once a new condition gets onto a farm it is very difficult to get rid of it. Pedigree6 was lucky to limit a BVD outbreak to just one animal

Dawggone

kerry cow wrote: »

Sorry lads , just making what I call a piont of conversation , fair enough you may not agree , and no I never shovel down someones throat , that was a unfair comment , always open to hear what others think , open to learning and making contacts , cheers

I've a seperate entrance/exit for knackery truck. I keep a few chickens so the truck calls often enough. Fallen animals are brought to the designated collection point. Afaik it's a requirement here as the incineration is done by a Gov agency.

charolais0153

I'd be more worried about ai men and vets than kanckeries . the vet brought coccidiosis this year I'm nearly sure didn't lose anything but still

pedigree 6

longgonesilver wrote: »

It isn't just the ones that die either, its the loss of performance, the abortions, empty cows, the costs of treatment, the hassle and worry of having sick animals, animals suffering needlessly. Once a new condition gets onto a farm it is very difficult to get rid of it. Pedigree6 was lucky to limit a BVD outbreak to just one animal

Don't I know it.:rolleyes:

Biosecurity is going to be more of an issue now in Ireland now than it ever was before. Some more precautions here. If I could follow them myself i'd do well.

Have stock proof fencing. Hedge with wire on both sides best.

Don't share stockbulls with neighbours. Don't share livestock trailers with neighbours.

If buying a stockbull make sure the bull is vaccinated the same as your cows are. If in doubt vaccinate anyway esp if live vaccine used on your cows. Really best practice would be to buy the bull as a calf or weanling and have him on the farm and vaccinated at the same time as your stock with the same vaccines. That way he will be have built up immunity to any bugs on your farm and when mating time occurs there should be no surprises/ setbacks.

Top practice would be not to get contractors to spread slurry with their spreader but if caught for time yourself get them to use your spreader.
If you have to get them to spread for you, silage ground would be more preferable to grazing ground. If getting contractor to agitate slurry. See that the agitator is clean when he comes into the yard and wash down the agitator before he leaves the yard.

If buying dairy stock, young stock not milking are preferable. That way you are not bringing in any contagious mastitis into the herd (even milking cows can be low scc one day and high the next). Foot baths for new stock is good too before joining the herd.

Graze the calves outside for the first year. That way they are getting immunity to any bugs on the land. Some people still leave them in for the first year and then it's to big a shock when outdoors the next year plus getting them in calf.
If feeding them meal outside nuts are cleaner make sure you don't give them too much or they leave any in the troughs as this encourages crows to the troughs which will spread coccidosis to them.

Housing of calves is an important issue as well. The best housing I have seen is houses big enough for 10 or 12 calves southeast facing open in the front with a bit of an overhang to stop wind and rain blowing into it with a lowish roof that you can fold up the overhang to clean out with the tractor and solid walls and corrugated sheeting between that house/ pen and the next pen of 10 or 12 calves (no airspace between them). If any buyer/dealer wants to look at them they can see them over the gate from outside and sunshine is the best disinfectant. These houses are good also as the calves are getting the sunshine as well killing any bugs also in the house.

I'll stop now.:D

mf240

Fcuk it. You could do all that and a tomcat or pigeon could bring in something.

Never had to call the dead lorry since I started farming.


















I drop them in myself:pac::o

pedigree 6

mf240 wrote: »

Fcuk it. You could do all that and a tomcat or pigeon could bring in something.

Never had to call the dead lorry since I started farming.


















I drop them in myself:pac::o

Lol.:)
As long as you don't bring something home with you.
This is really going to be a big issue though and with more people going to flying herds now and bigger herds as well more so and farmers rearing heifers for/from multiple herds as well.

Sam Kade

charolais0153 wrote: »

I'd be more worried about ai men and vets than kanckeries . the vet brought coccidiosis this year I'm nearly sure didn't lose anything but still

My vet practice have 4 vets, this spring I had 4 call outs and the same vet came to 3 of the call outs. She's new there and seems to be fresh out of college, she treated 3 animals in 3 call outs and all of them died she also got lost on the way to the 3rd call out.

patsy_mccabe

We had a young female vet TB testing here a few years back. Now the top bar of our crush is about 5ft off the ground. One of the cows wouldn't lift up her head, so to read her tag number, yer wan jumps up on the top bar and swings in over with her legs up in the air. I was waiting for the cow to buck up and split her open.

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

My vet practice have 4 vets, this spring I had 4 call outs and the same vet came to 3 of the call outs. She's new there and seems to be fresh out of college, she treated 3 animals in 3 call outs and all of them died she also got lost on the way to the 3rd call out.

How'd she get lost on the 3rd callout when she was there twice before?
Unless using the satnav and it got broken.:D
Was selling a mare in foal in the Oct sales and needed a vet cert when selling to confirm in foal.
Got her scanned before the sale and young vet as well says she's not in foal.
Had to go looking for the stallion owner to see would they give a free service to whoever bought her. They himmed and hawed and eventually agreed.
I didn't sell her (offered crap money) when she wasn't in foal.
Brought her home and she foaled next May with a colt foal.
Went back to the vet and they had to take full responsibility that it lost the sale of the mare and they should have spotted a mare 4 months in foal.
I had a horse to be castrated and they did him free of charge.

davidk1394

Well this thread escalated quickly!!! We bring any fallen animals (not too many) to the knackers yard for disposal

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

How'd she get lost on the 3rd callout when she was there twice before?
Unless using the satnav and it got broken.:D
Was selling a mare in foal in the Oct sales and needed a vet cert when selling to confirm in foal.
Got her scanned before the sale and young vet as well says she's not in foal.
Had to go looking for the stallion owner to see would they give a free service to whoever bought her. They himmed and hawed and eventually agreed.
I didn't sell her (offered crap money) when she wasn't in foal.
Brought her home and she foaled next May with a colt foal.
Went back to the vet and they had to take full responsibility that it lost the sale of the mare and they should have spotted a mare 4 months in foal.
I had a horse to be castrated and they did him free of charge.

I gave her directions on the phone before she came, she took the first turn instead of the second. She also had to finish the small animals clinic before she came :mad: WTF wre the other 3 vets doing?

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

I gave her directions on the phone before she came, she took the first turn instead of the second. She also had to finish the small animals clinic before she came :mad: WTF wre the other 3 vets doing?

Overworked and underpaid.:D
That's what junior vets are for.
To the last question Pub maybe...;)

whelan2

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Overworked and underpaid.:D
That's what junior vets are for.
To the last question Pub maybe...;)

or factory

pedigree 6

whelan2 wrote: »

or factory

Nah I'd say it was the pub.

ganmo

well this years lot just finished their exams so pub for them tonight anyway

greysides

ganmo wrote: »

well this years lot just finished their exams so pub for them tonight anyway

And well deserved too. They'd better stock up tonight, it'll be needed in the next few months.

J.O. Farmer

Sam Kade wrote: »

My vet practice have 4 vets, this spring I had 4 call outs and the same vet came to 3 of the call outs. She's new there and seems to be fresh out of college, she treated 3 animals in 3 call outs and all of them died she also got lost on the way to the 3rd call out.

Of those 3 animals how many of them were you looking at them and going at least it's not me or I'm glad I'm not as bad. Sometimes the vet is called in hope rather than expectation.

whelan2

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Of those 3 animals how many of them were you looking at them and going at least it's not me or I'm glad I'm not as bad. Sometimes the vet is called in hope rather than expectation.

Had a young vet here a few years ago fresh out of college, very little experience. 90% of the animals she treated died. I think alot of vets come out of college with very little experience and should be mentored for a few years. She also put a calf's hoof through a cows calf bed and I had to send the cow to the knackery. Would spend ages walking from her van to the crush with things, I used to offer to go to the van and get what she needed to speed her up. She improved alot after a few years .