If God didn't exist

Flowergirl80

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

Captain Chaos

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

Why do you/we need something or someone to look up to? Just enjoy existence for what it is.

Flowergirl80

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

I generally go with Spider-man. Much better teacher of morals also.

I think it would be far more terrifying if there was a god.

Gordon

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

Taller people?

Rodin

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

Look up to?

You mean a deity who stood idly by while his priests raped and abused children?
Doing nothing when you can do something is worse than what the priests were up to.

He doesn't exist. Simple as.

Peregrine

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

Do you really look up to a god? That's scary. Which god do you look up to?

Links234

Scary? Free from morals and ethics, I can do whatever I want without consequence!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG6DifUtPvs

schaffer

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

What's more scary is if god did exist....

IvoryTower

If he did exist and there was a somewhere to hang out after we die, that would be cool and less scary imo

dr.fuzzenstein

He does exist!

Heckler

It blows my mind when I think about it. I'm on the fence. Love to think there is a god but have my doubts. tis fairly sketchy in fairness.

What blows my mind is all that been done in his name. Churches, cathedrals, monuments all raised in his name. Millions dead in wars fought in his name.

What a catastrophic waste of time, effort and lives if its all just pie in the sky.

Actually the more I think about it the more ludicrious it seems.

Godammit.....or just dammit.

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real

dr.fuzzenstein

bluewolf wrote: »

How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real

What if your eyes are mirrors? :eek:

JustTheOne

We know something can't come from nothing.

So explain everything around you?

dr.fuzzenstein

JustTheOne wrote: »

We know something can't come from nothing.

So explain everything around you?

Which explanation would you like? The one with all that scary, boring science stuff or "magic man in the clouds did it"

topmanamillion

JustTheOne wrote: »

We know something can't come from nothing.

So explain everything around you?

I'm the reincarnate Elvis Presley.
Prove I'm not.

Peregrine

JustTheOne wrote: »

We know something can't come from nothing.

So explain everything around you?

So explain where 'God' came from.

JustTheOne

I'm not saying god I don't believe in God.

Just a thought in general:)

Science can't explain things come from nothing.

JustTheOne

JustTheOne wrote: »

I'm not saying god I don't believe in God.

Just a thought in general:)

Science can't explain things come from nothing.

But then god can't exist, since he'd also have to come from nothing, which is as you claim, impossible.

line console zero

Heckler wrote: »

It blows my mind when I think about it. I'm on the fence. Love to think there is a god but have my doubts. tis fairly sketchy in fairness.

What blows my mind is all that been done in his name. Churches, cathedrals, monuments all raised in his name. Millions dead in wars fought in his name.

What a catastrophic waste of time, effort and lives if its all just pie in the sky.

Actually the more I think about it the more ludicrious it seems.

Godammit.....or just dammit.

I am a Christian in that I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ and the people in history who prophesied of his coming. However regarding the church organisations, the buildings, structures, rules, ranks and titles etc. While I am sure many good people are involved in them, If someone actually reads the bible- in particular the new testament, it is very much teaching against these man made organisations and legalism in general. Jesus Christ himself was anti church-establishment, anti organised religion and preferred to mix it up with the common man rather than rub shoulders with the priestly classes of the day. His church, as he teaches is in peoples hearts and minds. A spiritual church.

Of course the Roman Empire, the Catholic Church, The British Monarchy and other powerful human institutions since then have claimed Christianity and misrepresented it to their own ends. Thankfully today, with the advent of the internet age it is easy to go and read the original translations of pre Nicine texts, inlcuding BC texts which prophesize the actual life and events of Jesus, hundreds of years before he was born.

If a one goes looking for the historical Jesus, and reads the early Christian and pre Christian texts, the teachings there do not at all relfect any organised 'Christian' church of today. The teachings are much more about self awareness and ethical principles, with salvation through believing in Jesus Christ as the way to the Father the central tenant of this faith.


"Call no man Father" - Jesus Christ.

luftmensch

IvoryTower wrote: »

If he did exist and there was a somewhere to hang out after we die, that would be cool and less scary imo

What if that place is hell...

Lurkio

Flowergirl80 wrote: »

Then isn't it scary...I mean who can we look up to?

Aer Lingus

MrPudding

line console zero wrote: »

"Call no man Father" - Jesus Christ.

"If the bible has taught us anything, which it hasn't, [...]" - Homer J Simpson.

MrP

Pat Mustard

JustTheOne wrote: »

We know something can't come from nothing.

So explain everything around you?

JustTheOne wrote: »

Science can't explain things come from nothing.

Look up God of the Gaps and argumentum ad ignorantiam and you will see for yourself what is wrong with that argument.

robindch

JustTheOne wrote: »

Science can't explain things come from nothing.

But the religious say that their gods come from nothing.

Why do you let the religious away with something you won't let scientists away with?

JustTheOne

robindch wrote: »

But the religious say that their gods come from nothing.

Why do you let the religious away with something you won't let scientists away with?

I don't!

I don't believe in God I also don't believe in science as an explanation either.

JustTheOne

JustTheOne wrote: »

I don't!

I don't believe in God I also don't believe in science as an explanation either.

So why do you believe that something can't come from nothing?

Captain Chaos

JustTheOne wrote: »

I also don't believe in science as an explanation either.

Science is the study of reality and facts to explain the world around us. The discovery science makes in various fields changes our understanding of things as we find out more and more.

Until we find out more from discovery, our current understanding or reality through science is the best explanation we have so far. It's a constant on going process. An example is blackholes, they were said to exist by the laws of physics and theory for decades before we could observe the effects of one indirectly. Even today we have not directly seen one but we can see the effects of them so we know do they exist.

line console zero

robindch wrote: »

JustTheOne wrote: »

Science can't explain things come from nothing.

But the religious say that their gods come from nothing.

Why do you let the religious away with something you won't let scientists away with?

Actually that's not what the Christian,Jewish or Islamic religions say at all. They say that God has always existed and is outside space time. The rules don't apply to the Father who is infinite, In fact he created the universe and all laws therein. As a Christian I happily embrace science as man's unveiling of this God created universe.

Captain Chaos

line console zero wrote: »

Actually that's not what the Christian,Jewish or Islamic religions say at all. They say that God has always existed and is outside space time. The rules don't apply to the Father who is infinite, In fact he created the universe and all laws therein. As a Christian I happily embrace science as man's unveiling of this God created universe.

What about the other universes that in theory can exist in parallel to our own, did God create all those too if they do in fact exist? Do they all have different laws too?

line console zero

line console zero wrote: »

Actually that's not what the Christian,Jewish or Islamic religions say at all. They say that God has always existed and is outside space time. The rules don't apply to the Father who is infinite, In fact he created the universe and all laws therein. As a Christian I happily embrace science as man's unveiling of this God created universe.

So God didn't need something for him to come into existence.
So therefor that "something can't come from nothing" doesn't hold.

Why can't this apply to the universe?

line console zero

Captain Chaos wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

Actually that's not what the Christian,Jewish or Islamic religions say at all. They say that God has always existed and is outside space time. The rules don't apply to the Father who is infinite, In fact he created the universe and all laws therein. As a Christian I happily embrace science as man's unveiling of this God created universe.

What about the other universes that in theory can exist in parallel to our own, did God create all those too if they do in fact exist? Do they all have different laws too?

Anything and everything that exists in any plain of reality is God created.

God's name as given to Moses translates as 'I AM' which in Hebrew implies 'Self existent one' .

When Jesus was pressed by the Jewish religious leaders of the day about his identity, he answered . "Before Abraham was, I AM" which was intepreted as claiming to be God, because all the Priests knew that "I AM" was the fathers name.

God IS the very source of all existence.

line console zero

King Mob wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

Actually that's not what the Christian,Jewish or Islamic religions say at all. They say that God has always existed and is outside space time. The rules don't apply to the Father who is infinite, In fact he created the universe and all laws therein. As a Christian I happily embrace science as man's unveiling of this God created universe.

So God didn't need something for him to come into existence.
So therefor that "something can't come from nothing" doesn't hold.

Why can't this apply to the universe?

I understand that the idea of infinity can be difficult to grasp, but God has never not existed so he cannot have come into existence. He simply IS and all existence stems from him. This is the teaching of all Abrahamic religions.

Avatar MIA

line console zero wrote: »

This is the teaching of all Abrahamic religions.

We can both agree that the followers of two of the Abrahamic religions have got it wrong. But, I'll go one further.

line console zero

line console zero wrote: »

I understand that the idea of infinity can be difficult to grasp, but God has never not existed so he cannot have come into existence. He simply IS and all existence stems from him. This is the teaching of all Abrahamic religions.

Again, this still invalidates the supposed rule. Something can exist without coming from another something.

So why can't this apply to the universe?

line console zero

Avatar MIA wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

This is the teaching of all Abrahamic religions.

We can both agree that the followers of two of the Abrahamic religions have got it wrong. But, I'll go one further.

I am sure we can both also agree that at least one of us is wrong. enjoy the weekend, I've said my piece.

line console zero

King Mob wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

I understand that the idea of infinity can be difficult to grasp, but God has never not existed so he cannot have come into existence. He simply IS and all existence stems from him. This is the teaching of all Abrahamic religions.

Again, this still invalidates the supposed rule. Something can exist without coming from another something.

So why can't this apply to the universe?

All rules are under God.

topmanamillion

line console zero wrote: »

Anything and everything that exists in any plain of reality is God created.

God's name as given to Moses translates as 'I AM' which in Hebrew implies 'Self existent one' .

When Jesus was pressed by the Jewish religious leaders of the day about his identity, he answered . "Before Abraham was, I AM" which was intepreted as claiming to be God, because all the Priests knew that "I AM" was the fathers name.

God IS the very source of all existence.

What about any man made invention? Even some animals can use tools.
By your logic everything has to be created by a deity when that's simply not true.
Why did creatures/plants need to evolve if they were created? Surely a know it all deity would have gotten right first time.
The fact is Deitys are man made inventions. Your cat or dog knows nothing about deitys and is quite happy.
Scientists can directly trace the emergence of religion in early human life and it's emergence directly correlates with the growth of the human brain i.e God was invented by people questioning the world around them. Not the other way around.
People often point to the eye as a sign of god but the eye evolved from the a time when creatures moved from the darkness of the ocean to brighter parts of the ocean and land.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

Feel so sorry for athiests after their death.

Also science cant compete with the power of god, and dont tell me life began out of nowhere its jesus who controls everything. Its laughable of how athiests think that life began like out of nowhere, really a shame but its part of life and the way god have made us the way he wanted.

GarIT

line console zero wrote: »

Anything and everything that exists in any plain of reality is God created.

God's name as given to Moses translates as 'I AM' which in Hebrew implies 'Self existent one' .

When Jesus was pressed by the Jewish religious leaders of the day about his identity, he answered . "Before Abraham was, I AM" which was intepreted as claiming to be God, because all the Priests knew that "I AM" was the fathers name.

God IS the very source of all existence.

If I said those same words would that prove I'm god? If not why does it prove that anyone else is?

line console zero

line console zero wrote: »

All rules are under God.

That's a big assertion.
However if the objection to atheism is "well something can't come from nothing."
Then saying "god doesn't need to come from something" negates the objection.

If something can exist without coming from something else, which you are saying in the case of god, then there's no say reason that the universe itself cannot do this as well.

GarIT

line console zero wrote: »

They say that God has always existed and is outside space time.

Who are they and how are they backing up their claims?

line console zero

GarIT wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

They say that God has always existed and is outside space time.

Who are they and how are they backing up their claims?

Christians, Muslims, Jews.

In fact the believers in God have been saying this everyday for thousands of years so you faux suprise is rather disingenuous.

topmanamillion

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Feel so sorry for athiests after their death.

Also science cant compete with the power of god, and dont tell me life began out of nowhere its jesus who controls everything. Its laughable of how athiests think that life began like out of nowhere, really a shame but its part of life and the way god have made us the way he wanted.

Why would you feel sorry for atheists?
For a start shouldn't you feel sorry for all those countless billions of people who believe in a different religion to you.
They won't live forever in the sky like you either.
Or what about all those people who lived good lives but just weren't around before jesus showed up?

I feel sorry for religious people looking down on the non religious/people of different faiths.

line console zero

King Mob wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

All rules are under God.

That's a big assertion.
However if the objection to atheism is "well something can't come from nothing."
Then saying "god doesn't need to come from something" negates the objection.

If something can exist without coming from something else, which you are saying in the case of god, then there's no say reason that the universe itself cannot do this as well.

Your circular reasoning is a deliberate attempt to create a logical fallicy out of my arguement. However you ignore what I said about God being uncreated, eternally existant. The universe was created. The two cannot be compared. God has no beginning and no end.

As for the person who suggested that if they create something then they are a God, well from what did they create ? They may have changed the form of something, or formed something from other things but they did not create anything from nothing as this cannot be done except by God. Everything that is created by Man is done so in the 'sandbox' that has been created with the sand that's already there.

Show me a man that can create matter or energy from nothing ?

GarIT

line console zero wrote: »

Christians, Muslims, Jews.

In fact the believers in God have been saying this everyday for thousands of years so you faux suprise is rather disingenuous.

I never indicated that I was surprised. I'm not going to believe something just because someone else said it, they need to be able to back up their claim with some form of researched and observable evidence.

schaffer

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Feel so sorry for athiests after their death.

I could say the same for religious people only they will never know their mistake. At least most atheists can spell "atheist" correctly.

Atheists believe there is no God, most nonbelievers just don't give a f*ck about wasting their time thinking about it.

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Also science cant compete with the power of god, and dont tell me life began out of nowhere its jesus who controls everything. Its laughable of how athiests think that life began like out of nowhere, really a shame but its part of life and the way god have made us the way he wanted.

This sounds like a last gasp attempt to hang onto beliefs that you are unsure about. "My religion is better than yours".
Believe what you like, nobody is stopping you. If you believe in God, good for you. Just don't try to force your beliefs on to others when you can not prove that God exists.

kerry cow

What is the view of is there one god or many gods , possibly bigger than our space and vision ,
I am not in any educated in this field and am listening and learning to form my our views ,
Simply ants go about there business very intelligently each day , they have never discovered American or Australia even do ants exist there too , nor will they ever in there lifr time be able to travel the distance , we as humans can control there space and movement from a distance and also do godly things to them as we want good and bad , sorry for the odd thoughts but just feel there is something bigger than us out there that can look like what ever it decides at any given time , the sun is involved for sure but as humans we can not venture near , yet it is centre of our system .

GarIT

line console zero wrote: »

However you ignore what I said about God being uncreated, eternally existant. The universe was created.

Hold on here, you did say God was untreated and eternally existent but that doesn't make it true. Has anybody ever found proof of this being the case?

Could you prove that the universe was created and didn't always exist?

line console zero

GarIT wrote: »

line console zero wrote: »

Christians, Muslims, Jews.

In fact the believers in God have been saying this everyday for thousands of years so you faux suprise is rather disingenuous.

I never indicated that I was surprised. I'm not going to believe something just because someone else said it, they need to be able to back up their claim with some form of researched and observable evidence.

Take a look around you for evidence. The fact that we exist is evidence. You seem to be more satisfied with the explanation that there was a big bang, and then a lot of random stuff occured over a long enough period of time to create you. That's fine if you wish to believe this.

Avatar MIA

kerry cow wrote: »

What is the view of is there one god or many gods , possibly bigger than our space and vision.

What happens if God finds out s/he was created by an even mightier god.

Tots embarrassing.