Has Newstalk frequency on Astra2 changed?

georgekildare

During the last few days, I have had problems in receiving Newstalk on my Enigma2 satellite receiver. My search with FTA on Astra2 finds a Newstalk channel, but there is no associated sound. However, I continue receiving it on my Sky Box. Does anyone know whether its frequency or transponder has been changed?

Many thanks.

Johnboy1951

Not changed here.

Gerry Wicklow

According to KoS they changed Ids but not Freq. Rescan that TP 11171 H 22000 5/6

georgekildare

Many thanks.

I deleted the channel and rebooted. A manual rescan at [font=Open Sans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]11171 H 22000 found Newstalk again, but there is still no sound. All other channels on my enigma box seem OK and I still receive Newstalk loud and clear on my Skybox. There does not seem to be a way of checking the parameters of Newstalk on the Skybox.[/font]

[font=Open Sans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Does anyone have suggestions?[/font]

Harry Palmr

Ah thanks for this - NT used to be on Freesat AFAIK then it wasn't. I'll stick this on the FTA favourites list.

georgekildare

Hi Harry,
What parameters should I use to retrieve it with an FTA search?
Many thanks,
George

Gerry Wicklow

11171 H 22000 5/6

georgekildare

Those are the parameters that i already used. The station with epg appears with no sound. However, it plays normally on my Sky Box. That's why I think that Sky must have moved some of these parameters.

Harry Palmr

Just tuned it in without problem on my freesat box.

georgekildare

Thanks. I'll try again.

georgekildare

Very mysterious. I can find and save the station alright, together with its epg. However there is still no sound. Am I correct that you have recently done a search with the above parameters and that the station that you find does produce sound?

Again, thanks.

Gerry Wicklow

georgekildare wrote: »

Very mysterious. I can find and save the station alright, together with its epg. However there is still no sound. Am I correct that you have recently done a search with the above parameters and that the station that you find does produce sound?

Again, thanks.

With some boxes you have to delete to old entry first. The box 'thinks' it already has the station, so ignores the new parameters.

AwaitYourReply

georgekildare wrote: »

Very mysterious. I can find and save the station alright, together with its epg. However there is still no sound. Am I correct that you have recently done a search with the above parameters and that the station that you find does produce sound?

Again, thanks.

I would have thought that by deleting the entry and doing a manual rescan would have worked. Did you just recan the TP parametres that Newstalk is on or had you done a full rescan already? Of course, I appreciate you might be somewhat reluctant doing a full system rescan as you may have a pile of custom settings/favourites/categories configured which can take time to input with the generic fta receivers. Aside from this, the only other thing I could suggest is go in and review the exact settings you currently have Newstalk coming on.

As Gerry Wicklow advised earlier in the thread the current parameters should now be:

11171 H 22000 5/6

You might also double check the other settings given you had no success yet.

In order to do this, when you have Newstalk channel frequency open on the above parameter settings, it might be no harm to double-check the other settings as well so; you will probably need to press Edit (it used require me to enter the Edit button a second time after entering a PIN code to bring the full channel details up on screen) and then once you eventually get in there, you will often find the individual PID settings listed.

SID: 51114
APID: 2331

Hopefully, this might get it sorted. Otherwise, if you have tried all else and still have no success it may require you to do a full system rescan which will usually be a last resort but it does tend to solve the problem in the end.

georgekildare

I have checked the SID and APID and they are correct. I also deleted Newstalk from the channel list and rebooted but it remained on the Astra2 list of channels. Since everything else iOS working perfectly and my setup is quite complicated this is not enough of a problem for me to take the risk of resetting everything.

The question seems to be how to delete the Newstalk entry COMPLETELY prior to a rescan. I am running OpenVix on an enigma2 receiver, so I will see if the Vix experts have any wise words about this. Meanwhile, thanks everybody for your help. Much appreciated.

notmyusername

georgekildare wrote: »

I have checked the SID and APID and they are correct. I also deleted Newstalk from the channel list and rebooted but it remained on the Astra2 list of channels. Since everything else iOS working perfectly and my setup is quite complicated this is not enough of a problem for me to take the risk of resetting everything.

The question seems to be how to delete the Newstalk entry COMPLETELY prior to a rescan. I am running OpenVix on an enigma2 receiver, so I will see if the Vix experts have any wise words about this. Meanwhile, thanks everybody for your help. Much appreciated.

Channels cannot be deleted on Enigma 2 as it scans itself in the background.

What you need to do is select "clear before scan" when you're scanning.

georgekildare

I have already tried setting "clear before scan" to yes, but it didn't work. Even stranger, an OpneVix expert reports that he also scanned for Newstalk and found the station without any sound! See

http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?51743-How-to-COMPLETELY-delete-a-scanned-channel-entry

thelordgod

georgekildare wrote: »

I have already tried setting "clear before scan" to yes, but it didn't work. Even stranger, an OpneVix expert reports that he also scanned for Newstalk and found the station without any sound! See

http://www.world-of-satellite.com/showthread.php?51743-How-to-COMPLETELY-delete-a-scanned-channel-entry

Solution found. Just delete the channel and let the box automatically scan it back in. Check the thread on WOS.

notmyusername

thelordgod wrote: »

Solution found. Just delete the channel and let the box automatically scan it back in. Check the thread on WOS.

He said he'd done that; although he didn't realise the box would scan it back automatically. Check the thread here lol.

Rescanning, and clearing with the scan, has the exact same effect naturally

lertsnim

I have the same problem too

thelordgod

notmyusername wrote: »

He said he'd done that; although he didn't realise the box would scan it back automatically. Check the thread here lol.

Rescanning, and clearing with the scan, has the exact same effect naturally

I doubt he deleted it correctly. If course it comes back itself - that's a feature of enigma2. A manual scan should work but doesn't in this case. Maybe a bug but it's working for me. Deleting from the service list and the bouquets are two different things.

No need to sneer - I didnt make fun of anyone and it works fine for me.

notmyusername

thelordgod wrote: »

I doubt he deleted it correctly. If course it comes back itself - that's a feature of enigma2. A manual scan should work but doesn't in this case. Maybe a bug but it's working for me. Deleting from the service list and the bouquets are two different things.

No need to sneer - I didnt make fun of anyone and it works fine for me.

Huh, sneer?

As you've attempted to be patronising, right back at you. Deleting from the bouquets would not see the channel return to the bouquet on reboot so if the channel disappeared for him and then returned we have got to assume he deleted from the service list.

And as you didn't allude to the fact that he had already done what you'd suggested that you read in the thread on another forum I decided to (humourously) pointing you to the OPs actual posts.

Hence the smiley my friend

thelordgod

notmyusername wrote: »

Huh, sneer?

As you've attempted to be patronising, right back at you. Deleting from the bouquets would not see the channel return to the bouquet on reboot so if the channel disappeared for him and then returned we have got to assume he deleted from the service list.

And as you didn't allude to the fact that he had already done what you'd suggested that you read in the thread on another forum I decided to (humourously) pointing you to the OPs actual posts.

Hence the smiley my friend

Believe what you like. The sound didnt work after a rescan (even though the pids looked correct). After deleting it manually it then worked after rescanning itself back in automatically. Anyway I can listen to it so I dont really give a hoot. If it helps the OP get it working again then fine. "clear before scan" obviously doesn't remove the entry completely from the lamedb.

notmyusername

thelordgod wrote: »

Believe what you like. The sound didnt work after a rescan (even though the pids looked correct). After deleting it manually it then worked after rescanning itself back in automatically. Anyway I can listen to it so I dont really give a hoot. If it helps the OP get it working again then fine "clear before scan" obviously doesn't remove the entry completely from the lamedb.

Then you haven't read the thread (sneering aside).

The clear before scan was MY suggestion after he'd ALREADY done exactly what you're suggesting. Only difference is he wasn't aware when he deleted it that Enigma scans it back in automatically, and indeed wondered why it did reappear.

georgekildare wrote: »

I have checked the SID and APID and they are correct. I also deleted Newstalk from the channel list and rebooted but it remained on the Astra2 list of channels. Since everything else iOS working perfectly and my setup is quite complicated this is not enough of a problem for me to take the risk of resetting everything..

Sneer free

Clear before scan actually does the same thing except you are doing the rescan before Enigma does it automatically...

thelordgod

notmyusername wrote: »

Then you haven't read the thread (sneering aside).

The clear before scan was MY suggestion after he'd ALREADY done exactly what you're suggesting. Only difference is he wasn't aware when he deleted it that Enigma scans it back in automatically, and indeed wondered why it did reappear.



Sneer free

Clear before scan actually does the same thing except you are doing the rescan before Enigma does it automatically...

Good that you don't charge! Now if you read carefully he didn't say it came back automatically - he did a manual FTA scan. Something is lingering in his lamedb. He just needs to do what I suggested.

notmyusername

thelordgod wrote: »

Good that you don't charge! Now if you read carefully he didn't say it came back automatically - he did a manual FTA scan. Something is lingering in his lamedb. He just needs to do what I suggested.

Really!!! I quoted and bolded it as well

I also deleted Newstalk from the channel list and rebooted but it remained on the Astra2 list of channels

If you're reading something different there that I'm not then I'm intrigued to know what that is! And I've read it really, really carefully too.

thelordgod

notmyusername wrote: »

Really!!! I quoted and bolded it as well



If you're reading something different there that I'm not then I'm intrigued to know what that is! And I've read it really, really carefully too.

Maybe he only deleted from his channel list and not the service list. He also said he did a manual scan in another post. I'm on a phone atm so it's hard to see everything. But one thing for sure - if he actually deleted the channel from the services it will work when he scans it back.

notmyusername

thelordgod wrote: »

Maybe he only deleted from his channel list and not the service list. He also said he did a manual scan in another post. I'm on a phone atm so it's hard to see everything. But one thing for sure - if he actually deleted the channel from the services it will work when he scans it back.

I agree with your very last line (and clear before scan should've worked too as it does exactly the same thing).

I won't patronise him by saying he deleted the channel from a bouquet as it would've remained missing for him when he looked at the same place. It is a possibility though,

What is really interesting that you sneered at me and then attacked me; finally ordering me to read carefully and you now admit you're not actually doing that yourself. I did helpfully highlight and bold the relevant quite for you too lol



Forums, eh

thelordgod

notmyusername wrote: »

I agree with your very last line (and clear before scan should've worked too as it does exactly the same thing).

I won't patronise him by saying he deleted the channel from a bouquet as it would've remained missing for him when he looked at the same place. It is a possibility though,

What is really interesting that you sneered at me and then attacked me; finally ordering me to read carefully and you now admit you're not actually doing that yourself. I did helpfully highlight and bold the relevant quite for you too lol



Forums, eh

If you feel that you were attacked...

He mentions channel list and astra services in one sentence so he must be referring to two different things. I concluded that he deleted the channel from his channel list (bouquet) and not from the services. Some people just use one tailormade bouquet and refer to it as their channel list (which it is). There is nothing patronising about pointing out one's errors (even mine). Anyway i think there is enough said until the OP gets back here (hopefully with sound).

notmyusername

thelordgod wrote: »

If you feel that you were attacked...

Although I'm not sure what your uncompleted sentence is suggesting I was really highlighting how ironic your accusations of sneering, not reading properly etc were

thelordgod wrote: »

He mentions channel list and astra services in one sentence so he must be referring to two different things. I concluded that he deleted the channel from his channel list (bouquet) and not from the services. Some people just use one tailormade bouquet and refer to it as their channel list (which it is). There is nothing patronising about pointing out one's errors (even mine). Anyway i think there is enough said until the OP gets back here (hopefully with sound).

He's unlikely to delete the channel from his bouquets and then go looking for it in his services list! If he knows both exist then he knows both exist. I would argue the other way that he most likely means the services list in both instance but I'm giving him very much the benefit...

Having said that, it would make most sense considering the issues he's had so we will have to wait for him to confirm...hopefully he hasn't been back because he's sunbathing in his back garden listening to Newstalk with the sound from his receiver fed to speakers. Meanwhile us two eejits argue the toss

thelordgod

And now the plot thickens... He deleted and let it scan back and still no sound. At least we're both still alive.

AwaitYourReply

georgekildare wrote: »

I have checked the SID and APID and they are correct. I also deleted Newstalk from the channel list and rebooted but it remained on the Astra2 list of channels. Since everything else iOS working perfectly and my setup is quite complicated this is not enough of a problem for me to take the risk of resetting everything.

The question seems to be how to delete the Newstalk entry COMPLETELY prior to a rescan. I am running OpenVix on an enigma2 receiver, so I will see if the Vix experts have any wise words about this. Meanwhile, thanks everybody for your help. Much appreciated.

Sorry to read that you have had no joy as of yet. Unfortunately, I don't have an identical model to yourself as my receiver is a Triax model however; the generic FTA satellite receivers can be a bit of a challenge at times as you are having to update things a lot as channels chop and change and move around quite a lot.

For this reason, I decided a return to using a Sky Digibox for Freesat from Sky selection as you don't have the headache of constantly updating channels all the time as it is done automatically on the Sky Digital system. I gather that Newstalk is still available on Sky channel 0210 on the electronic programme guide.

Actually, while we are talking about Newstalk, it's a wonder that none of the Ireland's independent commercial radio stations Newstalk 106-108, Today fm, Classic Hits 4FM, 98FM, FM104 and other major radio stations have not been given any slots on the Saorview digital platform while all the RTÉ digital radio stations have their entire portfolio on it but that's for a different discussion thread.

dxhound2005

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

Sorry to read that you have had no joy as of yet. Unfortunately, I don't have an identical model to yourself as my receiver is a Triax model however; the generic FTA satellite receivers can be a bit of a challenge at times as you are having to update things a lot as channels chop and change and move around quite a lot.

For this reason, I decided a return to using a Sky Digibox for Freesat from Sky selection as you don't have the headache of constantly updating channels all the time as it is done automatically on the Sky Digital system. I gather that Newstalk is still available on Sky channel 0210 on the electronic programme guide.

Actually, while we are talking about Newstalk, it's a wonder that none of the Ireland's independent commercial radio stations Newstalk 106-108, Today fm, Classic Hits 4FM, 98FM, FM104 and other major radio stations have not been given any slots on the Saorview digital platform while all the RTÉ digital radio stations have their entire portfolio on it but that's for a different discussion thread.

A discussion which has already been had here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057133543

No broadcaster is "given" a slot on Saorview. They all have to pay for them, including RTE. So it seems Denis O'Brien does not think it is worthwhile for Newstalk to pay the fee. That is what I took from the discussion anyway.