Donald Trump

take everything

I love this guy.
More and more, i'm finding myself hoping he becomes president.
The stuff he says goes against all my political views but still i 'd love to see him beat Hillary.

I'm reasoning first off that he doesn't mean any of the stuff he says (the wall etc). It's all just to get in.
And I actually do believe he gives a **** about America.
I also feel deep down he's a decent enough guy just playing the political system and having a fcuking great time. And he's hilarious.
Can't stump the trump videos on YouTube are brilliant BTW.

Just wanted to get an idea what ye think about The Donald.

Timberrrrrrrr

take everything wrote: »

I love this guy.
More and more, i'm finding myself hoping he becomes president.
The stuff he says goes against all my political views but still i 'd love to see him beat Hillary.

I'm reasoning first off that he doesn't mean any of the stuff he says (the wall etc). It's all just to get in.
And I actually do believe he gives a **** about America.
I also feel deep down he's a decent enough guy just playing the political system and having a fcuking great time. And he's hilarious.
Can't stump the trump videos on YouTube are brilliant BTW.

Just wanted to get an idea what ye think about The Donald.

The guy is a fnuckin idiot and will get hammered if he gets to run.

brevity

I worry for the people who are voting for him.

s4uv3

He's a spa. Plain and simple.

Red King

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The guy is a fnuckin idiot and will get hammered if he gets to run.

Newsflash: The "experts" said that when he ran for the Republican nomination.

He won, with relative ease and crushed seasoned politicians like Jeb Bush who had the full weight of the Republican party behind him.

He is far from an idiot, and in the latest opinion polls is neck and neck with Hillary Clinton amongst likely voters.

wokingvoter

Do you admire the fact that he compares his battle against VD with the war in Vietnam OP?
How do you imagine that makes Vietnam vets feel?
What qualities does he possess that makes you feel like he would be a good president?

beach_walker

If I were an American citizen and given the choice of Donald or Hillary, well I'd be hard pressed to bother voting tbh.


The best thing about Trump is the reaction he's getting from the Guardian types. Fun and all as that is to see, doesn't detract from him being an ass.

Have you been on reddit much? I don't like r/AdviceAnimals because its full of derivative, childish, lowest common denominator nonsense. The biggest Trump group on reddit, r/The_Donald is exactly the same; he's a fcuking joke, not a politician. Its one step closer to Idiocracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUNPMPrxvA

osarusan

The big issue is not that one person can run while saying this stuff, it's that so many people can be convinced by it.

That said, I wonder, after he loses the election, will he come out and say that he made a lot of policies up just to get the republican nomination and he doesn't really believe any of that - he seems like the kind of guy who would enjoy pointing out just how gullible people had been to support him.

The King of Moo

There's a part of my mind that thinks more and more that there could be the remotest possibility that the conspiracy theory that he's sabotaging the Republican Party's chances of getting the presidency on behalf of Hillary is true.
If they had agreed that he'd do that (and he's supported her in the past), he's doing exactly what he'd do in that situation.

Penn

Red King wrote: »

Newsflash: The "experts" said that when he ran for the Republican nomination.

He won, with relative ease and crushed seasoned politicians like Jeb Bush who had the full weight of the Republican party behind him.

He is far from an idiot, and in the latest opinion polls is neck and neck with Hillary Clinton amongst likely voters.

He's not winning because he's not an idiot, he's winning because he's an idiot who appeals to other idiots, of which there appear to be a great number of.

cowboyBuilder

He's the last hope we have of a free world .

Hillary becomes president - ****ing ISIS will celebrate.

ebbsy

brevity wrote: »

I worry for the people who are voting for him.

D'ont be worried. We are many and outnumber you. :D:D:D:D

Timberrrrrrrr

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

He's the last hope we have of a free world .

Hillary becomes president - ****ing ISIS will celebrate.

He is a fool, CIA/FBI/Homeland security will have him sign off on all sorts of site that will erode citizens rights. Saying that Clinton being the hawk that she is will probably do the same.

Mongfinder General

osarusan wrote: »

The big issue is not that one person can run while saying this stuff, it's that so many people can be convinced by it.

That said, I wonder, after he loses the election, will he come out and say that he made a lot of policies up just to get the republican nomination and he doesn't really believe any of that - he seems like the kind of guy who would enjoy pointing out just how gullible people had been to support him.

He's not going to lose.

Look, for many Americans their biggest issue is that they have been getting poorer for over 30 years, while corporate interests have been getting incredibly richer. They are sick of the establishment who have for many years now legislated purely for the benefit of the oligarchy. Donald, for all his failings, is at least willing to point this out on a national platform - as is Bernie Sanders.

This is why they are so popular.

Tell me, what is the difference between Chinese communist party elections, where the party establishment chooses the candidates most appropriate to the establishment itself, and the US system as it stands right now? We can see how up-in-arms the parties have been at the 'gall' of the public to vote for candidates whose policies fall outside of the general narrative that's been espoused by both parties for at least the last 25 years.

This is from an American on Reddit and completely sums up the problem:

"Basically, the current Democratic establishment says that you better vote for them based on your liberal social views because the alternative is someone with conservative social views. All the while, the whole debate is a smoke screen for both parties to enrich party elites, and donors, at the expense of middle and working class Americans."

The Randy Riverbeast

I don't think he is an idiot, he knows very well what he is doing. It's the people that agree with what he says that are the idiots. They make up what they think he means to an extent that they put an english teacher to shame.
I can see why people would want to vote for him due to being fed up with the choice of business interests vs business interests with a dash of Christian domionism. Although I am sceptical of how voting for the business owner instead of who he bribes will be much different.

beach_walker

To be fair to him, I think a lot of what he's come out with seems pretty spot on (from your average American voters POV). It's ludicrous that the US is subsidising so many countries defence, Wall Street has far too much power (just look at Obama's team for the past 8 years to see the intermingling), American infrastructure is crumbling, unemployment, the destruction of the manufacturing base and tax avoidance of large corporations, tensions with Russia need to be calmed down etc. etc.

But then he comes out with the Wall sh!te and rapist guff.

Superhorse

I'd be very much for his political views tbh and hope he becomes president.

ohnonotgmail

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Look, for many Americans their biggest issue is that they have been getting poorer for over 30 years, while corporate interests have been getting incredibly richer. They are sick of the establishment who have for many years now legislated purely for the benefit of the oligarchy. Donald, for all his failings, is at least willing to point this out on a national platform - as is Bernie Sanders.

This is why they are so popular.

Do you really think that the Donald will go against corporate interests in favour of the poor?

ohnonotgmail

brevity wrote: »

I worry for the people who are voting for him.

i worry ABOUT the people who are voting for him.

MonkeyTennis

what political views? He doesnt have any. He has some personal ones that he walks back on constantly. The man is a born liar and as beautifully pointed out by Jon Stewart the other day .. a manbaby.

Richard Hillman

Hillary getting into office will be great for us and bad for Americans.

Trump getting into office will be great for Americans and bad for us.

Trump is the only person that give a crap about Americans and American jobs. If you lived in a mid to large sized town that is reliant on factories and specific industries for employment, Trump is your only option.

Anywhere outside of the Cities should be Trump territory and the Republican Party being actively against him will do him wonders.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Do you really think that the Donald will go against corporate interests in favour of the poor?

Compared to who? Hillary? Yes, but that wouldn't be hard.

I'm not a Trump supporter - I'm just pointing out that Americans are waking up to the fact that their national wealth and resources have been transferred upwards towards the elites in society at an ever-increasing rate. I recall from a Guardian article recently a figure of $4,000 in returns for every $1 spent on lobbying by American special interests. Theft is the word that comes to mind.

Samaris

The man is either bonkers (and an asshat) or brilliant (and an asshat). It's like voting for a Youtube comment thread to be president. It'd probably do less harm in the long run at that.

At least if he does become president, at worst with a Republican house too, even they are likely to put reins on him to prevent him causing World War III, IV and V all at once.

Clinton...has issues, yes. She's been around the block enough to know what just isn't feasible at least. Trump is likely to try anything and like hell will he admit it when it doesn't work. I admit, I'd be somewhat amused to see the Mexicans laughing in his face if he did get in and start up his famous Wall idea. Or at least if he tries to make them pay for it.

The_Kew_Tour

Don't like him, but Clinton is not the lovey dovey,Goody Goody the media likes you to believe

ohnonotgmail

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

Compared to who? Hillary? Yes, but that wouldn't be hard.

I'm not a Trump supporter - I'm just pointing out that Americans are waking up to the fact that their national wealth and resources have been transferred upwards towards the elites in society at an ever-increasing rate. I recall from a Guardian article recently a figure of $4,000 in returns for every $1 spent on lobbying by American special interests. Theft is the word that comes to mind.

the only person that the Donald cares about is the Donald.

kneemos

A bullying,racist, anti woman fat bloke with narcissistic personality disorder,watch him boil when someone puts him down.

His popularity is down to his straight talking,it goes a long way with the public.
Don't know what it says about America that a guy like this can be running for President.

Penn

Anyone who thinks he's not going to do everything in his power to make it so the rich get richer is dreaming. He'll say and do whatever he needs to to get elected, but he has no interest in helping anyone but himself.

He transcends narcissism. He wants to be President because he sees it as a trophy. He's never wrong, and if it's pointed out why he's wrong, he just flat out denies being wrong, to the point where I think he actually convinces himself he was right all along.

And if he became President, nothing would be done for 4 years. The Democrats won't be able to get anything done, and Republicans will likely spend so much time and effort putting out fires caused by Trump that nothing of substance will happen.

He's a moron. He makes Kanye West look like Malala Yousafzai.

Duggy747

I've never liked him and especially never liked Clinton but he says exactly what a lot of people over there want to hear. They're lapping him up and the disgraceful behaviour of some people lashing out at Trump supporters is making things ten times worse by adding fuel to the fire.

I was in America at the time he announced he was running and the Americans I was with were fully on board with his anti-vaccine and anti-immigrant remarks.

Speedwell

American citizen here. Trump will lose. He will lose because he is a joke. He is unqualified, unsuitable, and doesn't even truly want the job. What persuades you that he is remotely electable is because of all the morons and troublemakers in his train making a deafening noise. If by some miracle he does wind up being elected (and it will take a genuine, "Hell is freezing over" miracle) he will not last in office. Sanders wouldn't be taken seriously enough by the people with the money and the guns. I will vote for Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the election, because that is how it is going to play out.

Samaris

Samaris wrote: »

The man is either bonkers (and an asshat) or brilliant (and an asshat). It's like voting for a Youtube comment thread to be president. It'd probably do less harm in the long run at that.

At least if he does become president, at worst with a Republican house too, even they are likely to put reins on him to prevent him causing World War III, IV and V all at once.

I don't understand this Trump pro-war narrative. Hillary is one of the biggest hawks in American politics. From the Iraq war part 2 (Which Trump was openly against) through to Libya, she has been an active supporter of every half-baked war effort by the US that's left the world in the state it's in now.

Richard Hillman

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Don't like him, but Clinton is not the lovey dovey,Goody Goody the media likes you to believe

I was watching RTE News a couple of months ago. For the Trump section of the report they went to a Gun Show to interview Trump supporters. For the Hillary section they went to the most hipster cafe in the world. Macbooks and beards gallore.

ohnonotgmail

For the people who are saying that Hilary is as bad can we all just agree that they are both terrible people?

Timberrrrrrrr

If Clinton/Trump go head to head I think we can expect a lot of dirty laundry being aired in public

Speedwell

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I was watching RTE News a couple of months ago. For the Trump section of the report they went to a Gun Show to interview Trump supporters. For the Hillary section they went to the hipster cafe in the world. Macbooks and beards gallore.

That's just the narrative. If they were really going to be true to the facts on the ground, they'd go to some struggling Texas manufacturing business or gated residential subdivision association to interview Trump supporters, and to a university or nail salon or ethnic restaurant or multinational IT firm to interview Sanders supporters, and to I don't know where for Clinton supporters because except for noisy female public activists, in my experience Clinton supporters are not especially vocal about it.

Speedwell

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

For the people who are saying that Hilary is as bad can we all just agree that they are both terrible people?

No matter who gets elected, a politician wins and the rest of us lose.

Wibbs

Penn wrote: »

He's not winning because he's not an idiot, he's winning because he's an idiot who appeals to other idiots, of which there appear to be a great number of.

It's all too easy to dismiss him as an idiot and to dismiss those who vote for him as idiots. It's lazy thinking and just as idiotic. Trump is no fool. He has an extremely well honed ability to be the constantly shifting blank canvas that others can pin their perceptions onto. On both sides.

Most of all a large chunk of the American public are fed up, confused and scared at how their lives and their "American dream" is going. The rich are getting richer, the poor more voluminous and the middle are massively squeezed compared to the babyboomer generation before them. Never mind the various war zones many can't place on a map that their children are being sent to and too often not coming back from.

They're looking for something different to the usual Democrat/Republican pantomime and he plugs right into that. Hell look at the support for Sanders. He's plugging into that too and to many Americans he'd be close to a communist.

In the end they won't get anyone different of course. The table is rigged and has been for a very long time, but they will get their sideshow to make them feel that they might.

It could get interesting depending on how Trump leaves the race mind you. There is enough anger and frustration among enough Americans that their political landscape might see some change. Or as per usual, nada will happen.

HensVassal

Hillary Clinton is a bought and paid for neocon psychopath. She has taken $153 million in bribes to date. She was the one who brought us Libya and the state it's in today. She is completely beholden to Wall Street, K street and the 1%. She will clamour for the invasion of Syria, Iran, Russia AND China.

Her level of corruption and warmongering makes Nixon look like Gandhi. Her campaign message says absolutely nothing, because she knows that if and when she gets into power the shit she's going to do is unspeakable. "Vote for me....because I'm Hillary Clinton", that's the platform she running on. Obama was basically Bush 2. Hillary will be worse. Democrat? Liberal? Bollocks. She's Bernie Madoff in a dress.

Wibbs

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

I don't understand this Trump pro-war narrative. Hillary is one of the biggest hawks in American politics. From the Iraq war part 2 (Which Trump was openly against) through to Libya, she has been an active supporter of every half-baked war effort by the US that's left the world in the state it's in now.

+1. Clinton is only in the mix because of her last name, her deep party and business connections and the fact she's a woman. They got a Black president in before, so they're going for the twofer.

kneemos

Speedwell wrote: »

American citizen here. Trump will lose. He will lose because he is a joke. He is unqualified, unsuitable, and doesn't even truly want the job. What persuades you that he is remotely electable is because of all the morons and troublemakers in his train making a deafening noise. If by some miracle he does wind up being elected (and it will take a genuine, "Hell is freezing over" miracle) he will not last in office. Sanders wouldn't be taken seriously enough by the people with the money and the guns. I will vote for Sanders in the primary, Clinton in the election, because that is how it is going to play out.

Been hearing Trump is a joke and can't win since the start of the campaign.

Bazzo

I really don't understand how people can suport Trump. Some of his sentiments(and I'm calling them that purposefully because he's a million ****ing miles away from having any concrete policies) may ring true with the American public but he continuously comes out with such bigoted, hateful statements that he really shouldn't be let within an asses roar of any public office.

Strongly anti-vaccine.
Openly mocked a disabled reporter on television, in front of thousands.
Claims to have seen "thousands of Muslims celebrating after 9/11" which has since been proven to be a lie(one of many open lies), and is the reason for him mocking previously mentioned reporter.

Just a taste of some of his prouder moments. It's really no skin off our teeth how the US votes because the man or woman in the oval office has far less influence over the western world than congress in reality, but if I was an American I'd be embarrassed to have such a hateful figure elected to be the head of state. I think when it comes down to it, the votes will reflect that and even with her many many flaws Clinton will win in a landslide.

Penn

Wibbs wrote: »

It's all too easy to dismiss him as an idiot and to dismiss those who vote for him as idiots. It's lazy thinking and just as idiotic. Trump is no fool. He has an extremely well honed ability to be the constantly shifting blank canvas that others can pin their perceptions onto. On both sides.

I certainly don't deny he's not purposefully and strategically tapping in to what a lot of people want, and in that regard, you can't fault him. But it's more than just easy and lazy to dismiss him as an idiot. It's apt. While a lot of the stupid stuff he comes out with will get him a good few votes, definitely not all of it is intentional. He's just that stupid anyway. Has been since long before this campaign.

HensVassal

Samaris wrote: »

The man is either bonkers (and an asshat) or brilliant (and an asshat). It's like voting for a Youtube comment thread to be president. It'd probably do less harm in the long run at that.

At least if he does become president, at worst with a Republican house too, even they are likely to put reins on him to prevent him causing World War III, IV and V all at once.

Clinton...has issues, yes. She's been around the block enough to know what just isn't feasible at least. Trump is likely to try anything and like hell will he admit it when it doesn't work. I admit, I'd be somewhat amused to see the Mexicans laughing in his face if he did get in and start up his famous Wall idea. Or at least if he tries to make them pay for it.

Clinton is the one that would start WW3, not Trump.

Trump has stated that he has no problem with the Russians and thinks that Putin is a guy he could work with. Clinton on the contrary is all for bombing as many countries as possible until they are American puppets.

I hope he wins because America had it's chance at getting what the rest of the first world has but instead, is voting for Hillary. They deserve the mayhem and I think Trump will be less active in other countries which benefits much of the world.

As a non-American, we should only really care about their foreign policy but I still wanted Sanders to go and try and make some proper reforms. But all Americans hate each other and can't stand the idea of paying more tax even if they get free healthcare.

pickarooney

Why the **** don't Americans just vote for another party? It's like they feel they have to vote for one of the two big ones. Land of the free my hole.

ohnonotgmail

pickarooney wrote: »

Why the **** don't Americans just vote for another party? It's like they feel they have to vote for one of the two big ones. Land of the free my hole.

there is no other party that has the resources to fund a campaign. the last credible third-party candidate i can remember was Ross Perot. and he was a billionaire.

pickarooney

pickarooney wrote: »

Why the **** don't Americans just vote for another party? It's like they feel they have to vote for one of the two big ones. Land of the free my hole.

And those two parties are actually private organisations.. That's why all of these weird Primary things are legal. Not counting votes / Superdeligates etc. It doesn't even have to pretend to be democratic at the primary stage.

Speedwell

pickarooney wrote: »

Why the **** don't Americans just vote for another party? It's like they feel they have to vote for one of the two big ones. Land of the free my hole.

Several years ago, before I grew a brain and a heart, I was a member of the Libertarian Party and a campaign worker for Ron Paul. There was no chance of him winning, and everyone knew that. The object was disruption.

SEPT 23 1989

Mk2 Clinton and her paymasters will drag the west into some very dark places

I would take a chance on Trump rather than face that

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