Guess The handicap

kieran.

Interested to hear opinions on what boards think the handicap of this person would be.

I was quite shocked myself.

mafc

Just because you were shocked I'm guessing a handicap of 20 😄


Seen a result for an open in the Curragh yesterday was won with 49 points...lol

HighLine

Well he had a shot on the 1st so it's at least 13 anyway.

willabur

I assume the guy is a high handicapper by how the question was phrased


going by the card I would say low single figures. 4
going by the tone I would say 15

Ronney

Scratched the low index holes and lack of consistency, so would guess he is high round the 18+ mark.

Giving him an 18 h/c and trebles at worse he is about 83 strokes or +12.

off 20 he would be +15 which isn't too ridiculous scoring (call the birdies lucky and you can +3 on to it)

Although I'd say he lost a few shots that day.


On the other hand he could be a scratch player who was a bit hungover for the first 4 holes

blue note

I remember a competition playing off 15 where I had a run not quite as good, but only a couple of shots off. Then I scratched the last 4 holes. I had 1 point on the first, 38 on the next 13 and none on the last 4. My run included 3 birdies.

No prize btw, I always think if someone looked at the card they'd have thought I'd thrown it. Sadly not

So I'm going to say something like myself and guess 15?

kieran.

Ronney wrote: »

On the other hand he could be a scratch player who was a bit hungover for the first 4 holes

This is what I thought at first as he was and AWAY player it took a bit of digging to get his h/cap.

blue note

blue note wrote: »

I remember a competition playing off 15 where I had a run not quite as good, but only a couple of shots off. Then I scratched the last 4 holes. I had 1 point on the first, 38 on the next 13 and none on the last 4. My run included 3 birdies.

No prize btw, I always think if someone looked at the card they'd have thought I'd thrown it. Sadly not

So I'm going to say something like myself and guess 15?

God in reliving it again. I was off 17 now that I think of it - 15 was the only hole I didn't have a shot on. Par 3 - I went into a bunker. Tough shot out and I went just over the green. Decent effort for an up and down, but a 5 in total so no score.

16th was a par 5. Great drive and perfect lay up. 60 yard sand wedge to the green - caught it a little fat and got wet. Dropped and got the water again. 17 I pulled my drive into trees and hacked out about 3 times. 18 is a bit of a blur.

That was about 6 years ago and I cam still remember those bad shots. Couldn't tell you much about the round of my life I was having until that point!

PARlance

2, 12, 22... it could be any of them really, the scorecard doesn't tell any stories etc. It could be a bad, very good or round (stretch of holes) of their lives respectively.

If I was to make up a story, it's a high hc who, after a very poor start, just quit thinking about it all and things just clicked in an unbelievable way.

Montgolfier

I'd say an older guy who played early in the morning. It took a few holes to get loose but when he did he delivered. A couple of lucky birdies but overall a steady player. Not new to golf judging by the pars following the birdies guys that are new to golf generally bogey holes after a birdie due to bloated belief in their abilities. So guessing an older guy 70's hcp 19 probably called Steve T a visitor no doubt 41pts good going with all those scratches

FixdePitchmark

He looks like a lad at a portuguese society outing. He is off 12 - but fancies himself as a lad who should be a 8 - He has a Laser and a gps - and just got fitted for an M1 - with a shaft made of graphene. He used to carry his bag , but now knows he is not - too posh or good to push.

He was up 2000 euro in blackjack the night before and got an offer for a dance he could not refuse. But for some drunk internal freudian reason, asked for a card , when the dealer face card was a 3.

His wife is a looker - but he is away and has lost sight of reality, the long game and the statistical reality of life. Down 2000 euro, he hits the nightclub in search of the music of his youth - M People and Yazz.

He is in Nama with his Dad who told him to "get in the game" - but at least he has 4 apartments in Cape Verde with a wind swept Eddie Hobbs idea.

On 2-3-4 , he hits holes that he has shots on, but they are way too early in the round and to be honest - his mind is still on the 3 face card.

At 4 there is miraculously a toilet and a beer cart - both seem to turn a corner for him and his trousers.

He stands up at 5 - feeling God like , feeling confident - after all, the M1 is fitted and he has paid to get it over there. He hits a ball so hard , the sound is heard across the algarve for "years".

It is portugal - so at 22 degc. He has an 8 iron in to a par 5 - blades it into bunker - but gets the par after aim point express gets him the 2 putt from 6 feet.

Then it is just there - he knows , he is good, he knows he should be a 6, he knows that Ian Poulter trousers look cool.

But - trousers can be a problem too - at 15 index 2, he doesn't know that his gps is still on hole 1 - the carry over the water is 167 yards - a handy high 6 iron in these trade wind conditions.

He hits the best 6 iron of his life into the middle of the pond and totally loses the head - he didn't realise that the gps was still on hole 1 - throws a club at pond - but misses of course.

Then out of anger - finishes in class.


He walks in and talks about his scratches - as if scratches don't count.

He rings his wife - tells her he would love to be back home and cries.


Anyway - obviously a joke above , but have realised (with time) that people that cheat at golf are actually a failure in so many aspects of life - that it is literally not a thing I should ever concern myself with.

But lads off say 12 to 18 - are the hardest part of golf to judge - they all have a 45 + in them ,

mike12

Would agree, I shot 47 points off 18 but it was my only cut of that season.
Had 74 and 73 off 15 and 12 again both of those years other 37 points was the next highest.
Think when u are off 18 or less u can have a round where u hit a few extra greens, hole a couple of longer putts and make no mistakes.

kieran.

Montgolfier wrote: »

I'd say an older guy who played early in the morning. It took a few holes to get loose but when he did he delivered. A couple of lucky birdies but overall a steady player. Not new to golf judging by the pars following the birdies guys that are new to golf generally bogey holes after a birdie due to bloated belief in their abilities. So guessing an older guy 70's hcp 19 probably called Steve T a visitor no doubt 41pts good going with all those scratches

Well played. ...though he's off 21

First Up

Seven pars and two birdies - I'd put him around 9 or 10 at most. The guy has the length and all round game to shoot level par.

Senna

I don't know a single 21 hcper who is capable of a round like that, 41 points doesn't even tell half the story, far too steady.



This is 41 points from a 21 hcp, only one blank, couple of pars, good solid round for a 21hcp.

Rikand

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He looks like a lad at a portuguese society outing. He is off 12 - but fancies himself as a lad who should be a 8 - He has a Laser and a gps - and just got fitted for an M1 - with a shaft made of graphene. He used to carry his bag , but now knows he is not - too posh or good to push.

He was up 2000 euro in blackjack the night before and got an offer for a dance he could not refuse. But for some drunk internal freudian reason, asked for a card , when the dealer face card was a 3.

His wife is a looker - but he is away and has lost sight of reality, the long game and the statistical reality of life. Down 2000 euro, he hits the nightclub in search of the music of his youth - M People and Yazz.

He is in Nama with his Dad who told him to "get in the game" - but at least he has 4 apartments in Cape Verde with a wind swept Eddie Hobbs idea.

On 2-3-4 , he hits holes that he has shots on, but they are way too early in the round and to be honest - his mind is still on the 3 face card.

At 4 there is miraculously a toilet and a beer cart - both seem to turn a corner for him and his trousers.

He stands up at 5 - feeling God like , feeling confident - after all, the M1 is fitted and he has paid to get it over there. He hits a ball so hard , the sound is heard across the algarve for "years".

It is portugal - so at 22 degc. He has an 8 iron in to a par 5 - blades it into bunker - but gets the par after aim point express gets him the 2 putt from 6 feet.

Then it is just there - he knows , he is good, he knows he should be a 6, he knows that Ian Poulter trousers look cool.

But - trousers can be a problem too - at 15 index 2, he doesn't know that his gps is still on hole 1 - the carry over the water is 167 yards - a handy high 6 iron in these trade wind conditions.

He hits the best 6 iron of his life into the middle of the pond and totally loses the head - he didn't realise that the gps was still on hole 1 - throws a club at pond - but misses of course.

Then out of anger - finishes in class.


He walks in and talks about his scratches - as if scratches don't count.

He rings his wife - tells her he would love to be back home and cries.


Anyway - obviously a joke above , but have realised (with time) that people that cheat at golf are actually a failure in so many aspects of life - that it is literally not a thing I should ever concern myself with.

But lads off say 12 to 18 - are the hardest part of golf to judge - they all have a 45 + in them ,

Sounds to me like you just described boards.ie golf society regular Roadrunner. That's the image I had in my head for the whole story.

Seve OB

HighLine wrote: »

Well he had a shot on the 1st so it's at least 13 anyway.

I know he did, but there is actually nothing to say he had a shot at the 1st. he just marked a score down. it doesn't necessarily mean he has a shot. I always mark all my scores, even if I get no points

I know it looks mad that a 21 handicapper puts a card in like that, but look at it. 43 points.... good, super in fact, but not a mental score. nobody would ever question a 40 point victory. they are week in/week out in most clubs. our medal a few weeks back was on with a net -6....... from a guy off 6, so level par for his round. there were no eyebrows raised, just praise given. made my matchplay victory over him the previous week all that sweeter..... when I was 3 down with 4 to play :eek:

So for someone off 21 who has a bit of talent but who lacks consistency he had a good day and things went well. he is 21 for a reason. the reason is he is obviously inconsistent as the scratches indicate...... I know, I've been there... sometimes still am :rolleyes:

we all probably have better games in us than our handicap reflects. but put it together in one round..... its not easy. especially at that level. but sometimes it just happens.

it happened to me.....once, a long time ago. I was off 19 and finished 5 over for my round which included 5 birdies, a double and a treble. Still have the card At st margarets too, a decent track. ive never come close to the likes since. it was a team event also, so sometimes the lads would have gotten in position and I took on shots I would not normally have played and they all paid off. playing a singles that day, I would not have scored that, certainly would have been a good few shots, worse.

I might of had a few rounds away at easier courses about +7 to +10, but my best show at my own club is +10 and only a few times.

Scorecards don't paint pictures. I was off 14 one time and won a medal with +10. I got all sorts of luck that day, balls hitting stones and bouncing out of streams and across bridges, a few chip in's and lots of luck in general.

fair play to the lad. my guess is he is new enough to the game, has a bit of skill, probably some kind of sports background and it just finally came together for him. I only hope he is genuine, but nothing to say he isn't. Remember it is much much easier for a 21 handicapper to shoot 43 points than a guy off scratch.

Golfgorfield

IMHO No 21hcap has any business being -2 gross for 13h of a round. Ever.

Armchair Andy

Could be said of any handicap higher than 12 imo.

Hoof Hearted2

Golfgorfield wrote: »

IMHO No 21hcap has any business being -2 gross for 13h of a round. Ever.

Another outstanding insight!!!, by the same token a + handicap golfer has no business shooting in the 80's, ever, ever, ever!!!.
OP there are a hundred and one ways to shoot a score and to try and determine a persons HC from one card is a mugs game.

Armchair Andy

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Another outstanding insight!!!, by the same token a + handicap golfer has no business shooting in the 80's, ever, ever, ever!!!.
OP there are a hundred and one ways to shoot a score and to try and determine a persons HC from one card is a mugs game.

No comparison there whatsoever. You really think it's doable for a 21 HCer to play 13 holes 2 under par?
I've seen plenty of 80+ from low guys, put them out in the JSC in Tralee or BallyB it's common enough.

Seve OB

Golfgorfield wrote: »

IMHO No 21hcap has any business being -2 gross for 13h of a round. Ever.

well while I see where you are coming from, we have no idea about the player. how long they are playing, how much they play or don't play. what their home club is, how many lucky shots they had. what the course was, how long or short it was. and most important, what was the css. for all we know there were half a dozen 42's

home club makes a difference. courses are not all the same and some more difficult than others, some much more difficult. a 15 handicapper on one course, could very well be a 12 on another.

Hoof Hearted2

Armchair Andy wrote: »

No comparison there whatsoever. You really think it's doable for a 21 HCer to play 13 holes 2 under par?
I've seen plenty of 80+ from low guys, put them out in the JSC in Tralee or BallyB it's common enough.

Hey presto, both are nonsense statements.
FYI + handicappers don't play JSC.
And clearly it is doable, if we are to believe the OP.

Golfgorfield

Seve OB wrote: »

well while I see where you are coming from, we have no idea about the player. how long they are playing, how much they play or don't play. what their home club is, how many lucky shots they had. what the course was, how long or short it was. and most important, what was the css. for all we know there were half a dozen 42's

home club makes a difference. courses are not all the same and some more difficult than others, some much more difficult. a 15 handicapper on one course, could very well be a 12 on another.

Its surely irrelevant how much they play or how long they are playing, -2 gross for 13h regardless of the other 5h, the course length or conditions is completely off the wall.

Golfgorfield

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Another outstanding insight!!!, by the same token a + handicap golfer has no business shooting in the 80's, ever, ever, ever!!!.
OP there are a hundred and one ways to shoot a score and to try and determine a persons HC from one card is a mugs game.

You are a small bit off there, and relax with the personal attack, you will note my post said IMHO, this means In My Honest Opinion. it is an awful lot more realistic for a person to play way above their hcap than way below their hcap to the extent of the OP example.
A 21 hcap shooting -2 gross over a 13holes of a round equates to a scratch player shooting approx -15 gross over the same part of a round. Still think its reasonable?

Armchair Andy

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Hey presto, both are nonsense statements.
FYI + handicappers don't play JSC.
And clearly it is doable, if we are to believe the OP.

Do you work for Fossetts?

Where did I mention + handicappers? I alluded to low handicappers, which may or may not play in a JSC whichever way you look at it.

I'm not calling out the OP in any case, anyone shooting 2 under through through 13,especially off 21, should easily prick a handicapper's ears.

Seve OB

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Do you work for Fossetts?

Where did I mention + handicappers? I alluded to low handicappers, which may or may not play in a JSC whichever way you look at it.

I'm not calling out the OP in any case, anyone shooting 2 under through through 13,especially off 21, should easily prick a handicapper's ears.

absolutely. and will should no doubt get a cut for it.

Seve OB

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Its surely irrelevant how much they play or how long they are playing, -2 gross for 13h regardless of the other 5h, the course length or conditions is completely off the wall.

I agree with you with the -2 for 13 holes. Its crazy. But you are wrong, you do have to look at the other 5 holes. You are a good golfer, so maybe you have forgotten what it's like to play off 20, when you are pretty much guaranteed to have a good few melt down holes in every round. they are part of the reason for having a higher handicap.

You can have 2 golfers playing of 20, and both could be totally different.

One guy could be very solid and consistent. A very rare scratch. the odd par.

The other fella (like I was) who has ability to do much better, but is erratic and inconsistent. young, strong, hits it far, but not always straight. 5 or 6 pars per round most games, sneaks in the odd birdie, but will also his few doubles and guaranteed a few disasters, lost balls, OB, not good at putting.

Its all well and good for a low handicapper saying it's not right or not on, but I know cause I've been there. You have the shots in you. You have the ability. But putting it all together in one round is not easy when you are new to the game or you don't play much, so yea, that is relevant.

I've already said it above. I had 5 birdies one day within 14 holes I think. It was more than 10 years ago. Since that day, I think three times I have had 2 birdies in one round and once had 3. It was a fluke. It happens, but it does not mean I had no business doing it!

Comparing it to a scratch player shooting -15 is poppycock also, as I have already pointed out, it is a hell of a lot easier for a high handicapper to shoot a good points tally than a low handicapper. The higher guy has a lot more room for improvement.

Domo1982

Golfgorfield wrote: »

A 21 hcap shooting -2 gross over a 13holes of a round equates to a scratch player shooting approx -15 gross over the same part of a round.

This is just silly. I'm not sure you're fully understanding the discussion tbh(to be honest)

blue note

Golfgorfield wrote: »

IMHO No 21hcap has any business being -2 gross for 13h of a round. Ever.

This sort of comment really annoys me. Firstly, what do you want him to do about it? There was a scratch in the middle of those 13 holes btw, I don't see why that's irrelevant!

But highly unusual rounds happen from time to time. And even more common is an exceptional streak for someone in the middle of a round. As I said earlier in the thread, playing off 17 I was +1 through 13 holes in a round a few years ago. I just played out of my skin for that run of holes. I can't see what's wrong with that.

And the course record on my home course is -9 held by a guy playing off about 3 at the time. We have had a couple of +2 golfers in recent years as well as having a guy playing off +4 at the moment, but on a once off round in competition this guy just hit a better round than any of them. Is there something wrong with this too?

Golfgorfield

Domo1982 wrote: »

This is just silly. I'm not sure you're fully understanding the discussion tbh(to be honest)

In relation to hcap it equates to the same(very close to) nett score.

Keano

OP, can you please post a score the guy had on another round?! Very hard to comment on one round alone. Hell a buddy a of mine last week was +10 for front 9 and -1 for the back playing off 14. Next week he could be +30 for 18. He's an honest as you get.

RoadRunner

Rikand wrote: »

Sounds to me like you just described boards.ie golf society regular Roadrunner.

Rubbish, I'm G30 not M1. Why the M People and Yazz hatin' Fixi?

kieran.

Sorry can't give any further context on the player as he's an AWAY player except that the SSS of the course is 71 and the CCS was 71 on the day. From my rooting around he won a comp with 42pts of 17 in his home club in 2012.

dan_ep82

I'm off 21. Shot 42pts with a scratch last year ( my lowest in comp)

This year in casual I've had a +8 (Moor Park) and a +9 (Ardee) . I've also shot some massive scores. The only difference on the low days was everything clicked for a few holes and I scraped by on the bad ones.

Both are easy courses and I like Ardee so feel comfortable there, my score in Concra for example was so high i gave up counting on the 13th.

Played two rounds in Knightsbrook in the space of 8 days and there was a difference of 10 shots

23 over

13 over

You can see aswell there are very few great shots but alot of luck/scrambling, On a bad day the scrambling/luck just isnt there

I know for me personally I can score great one day and just not feel it the next and play to very high hc

FixdePitchmark

Great post Dan

I went from a 90 to a 72 in 3 rounds last year.

So impossible to know anything about a player from raw scores.

It has to be repeated behaviour.


Funnily enough - and this is a bit out there.

I don't think anyone should have a handicap of over 18.

And if you do need it , should be a totally different event.


Dan - a straight question, would you rather be off 18 and take your chances and win when you win off 18 ?


You have a good few lads in their 40s off 20 + handicaps and they can reach long par 4s etc in 2 shots - mad stuff.

If they make a balls of stuff - sort it out and win when you do that.

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Great post Dan

I went from a 90 to a 72 in 3 rounds last year.

So impossible to know anything about a player from raw scores.

It has to be repeated behaviour.


Funnily enough - and this is a bit out there.

I don't think anyone should have a handicap of over 18.

And if you do need it , should be a totally different event.


Dan - a straight question, would you rather be off 18 and take your chances and win when you win off 18 ?


You have a good few lads in their 40s off 20 + handicaps and they can reach long par 4s etc in 2 shots - mad stuff.

If they make a balls of stuff - sort it out and win when you do that.

Definitely prefer to be off a lower HC.

I don't have an offical HC this year, I said I'd try to play as many courses this year but next year I'm hoping with 3 new cards I'll get closer to what I play on a good normal day rather than what I'm off now. I'll still shoot high scores but I'd like my hc to show what I can shoot. It was great winning twice ( singles and a fourball where I done very little) but it's not why I play comps, its just easier to get playing partners and i like a bit of serious golf.

Russman

Ya, I think one card like in the opening post is just way too little info to go on. Anyone at all can have a very good day for no apparent reason and the higher the handicap the more wiggle room there is for a big score purely in terms of it being far easier for a 20 handicapper to save, say, 4 or 5 shots in a round than a 9 handicapper. Unfortunately the current narrative or mindset in Irish golf is that anyone who does a good score or even wins is automatically a bandit. Personally I think its old fashioned begrudgery.

One of my best friends plays off 24, I think he's beaten his handicap probably 3 or 4 times EVER, he'd love to get down to the mid-teens but just can't string a full round together. Funny thing is he's comfortably 10 yards longer than me off tee, hits most fairways, but is just as likely to take 3 shots to hit it the next 20 yards as he is to hit a good approach. He probably averages 40+ putts per round. Someday he'll probably do 44 or 45 points out of the blue, but hey, that's golf. Driving the ball and ball striking are impressive and what most people notice, so often we hear tales of Joe Bloggs off 18 who hits it a mile but is somehow still off 18, what a bandit. Yet we never hear of his brother who is also off 18, hits it sideways but holes everything he looks at from 10 feet in and they both shoot the same score most weeks.

Your handicap is based on what you actually return for a full round, not just the good holes. Mickelson would have won last week if he could take out the 18th hole in R3, but he couldn't, he had to count it.

paulos53

If a new member handed in 3 cards to get his handicap and that was one of them what do you think he would be given?

I suspect with 9 pars and 3 birdies he would be lucky to get anything above 5

Seve OB

Russman wrote: »

Ya, I think one card like in the opening post is just way too little info to go on. Anyone at all can have a very good day for no apparent reason and the higher the handicap the more wiggle room there is for a big score purely in terms of it being far easier for a 20 handicapper to save, say, 4 or 5 shots in a round than a 9 handicapper. Unfortunately the current narrative or mindset in Irish golf is that anyone who does a good score or even wins is automatically a bandit. Personally I think its old fashioned begrudgery.

One of my best friends plays off 24, I think he's beaten his handicap probably 3 or 4 times EVER, he'd love to get down to the mid-teens but just can't string a full round together. Funny thing is he's comfortably 10 yards longer than me off tee, hits most fairways, but is just as likely to take 3 shots to hit it the next 20 yards as he is to hit a good approach. He probably averages 40+ putts per round. Someday he'll probably do 44 or 45 points out of the blue, but hey, that's golf. Driving the ball and ball striking are impressive and what most people notice, so often we hear tales of Joe Bloggs off 18 who hits it a mile but is somehow still off 18, what a bandit. Yet we never hear of his brother who is also off 18, hits it sideways but holes everything he looks at from 10 feet in and they both shoot the same score most weeks.

Your handicap is based on what you actually return for a full round, not just the good holes. Mickelson would have won last week if he could take out the 18th hole in R3, but he couldn't, he had to count it.

Good post Russman. I'm not sure gorefield would be happy with that though as he seems hell bent on the idea that for a 20 handicap player to shoot +15 is the same as a scratch player shooting -5. It so isn't.

And Fix, I have to disagree with you on the 18 maximum, as Russman clearly points out above, some guys just can't beat it.

I played of 28 when I started as a kid, it was the maximum given back then (kids can get 36 now and sometimes even more I believe). By the time I was 18 I still played of 25....... :eek: I could hit the ball, it went a reasonable length, not always straight, but could I putt...... hell no. 3 putts at least guaranteed per green and that was from close enough range. I didn't play much in my early 20's because despite being a student member, times when I could play were restricted and I also had more important things to be doing..... (well at least back then I thought it was more important to be drinking and having the craic ) Anyway, took golf back up around 25 and I felt awful and embarrassed playing off 25. Still couldn't putt though and still couldn't get my handicap down. I only got it down by sending cards back to the club from when I was out on society and corporate days. Anything good, went back to the club and I eventually got it down to 19 where I stayed for a few years. Got my putting sorted a bit and worked it down to 17, then 14. A few years ago, shot one good round which got me down to 12, but am now back up at 13.4, however holding steady enough at that for a while now.

My point is, I have stuck with it cause I love the game. I obviously had/have (you be the judge, you know me well enough ) some kind of talent to though, but had to put it all together in one round, which I found very hard to do. I had the handicap which allowed me to still shoot a score high enough to keep me interested.

Lower scores are demoralising, we all still have them, but if that's all you shoot week in and week out playing off 18 it can get tiresome and boring and you would find a lot of people would just walk away from the game. That is not what the game needs. My old man used to play of 11 I think. He now is off 25 and to be honest he probably needs 35 most days he goes out. Limiting him to 18 is just unfair.

kieran.

paulos53 wrote: »

If a new member handed in 3 cards to get his handicap and that was one of them what do you think he would be given?

I suspect with 9 pars and 3 birdies he would be lucky to get anything above 5

I think this is the point. This card plus say 2 cards @ 90'ish would have him at a single figure handicap.

Seve OB

kieran. wrote: »

I think this is the point. This card plus say 2 cards @ 90'ish would have him at a single figure handicap.

yes, but if he is a genuine 21 handicapper with this being just one of those days where it finally clicked for him, then he goes back out every week and shoots ..... lets say +18 as an average.... well then he would get rightly pissed off with the game very quickly as it would take him 10 years to get 10 shots back.


I think the real point is that we just don't know. You haven't told us anything more about the guy (I know you don't have the info), but really without that, we can't make a proper analysis.

I've parred every hole in Greystones many, many times. I've probably birdied them all to as some stage. Does that mean I should be a scratch or + handicapper?

Golfgorfield

kieran. wrote: »

Sorry can't give any further context on the player as he's an AWAY player except that the SSS of the course is 71 and the CCS was 71 on the day. From my rooting around he won a comp with 42pts of 17 in his home club in 2012.

This tells a story in itself about this lad. IMHO

kieran.

Golfgorfield wrote: »

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This tells a story in itself about this lad. IMHO

In fairness is doesn't really, what happened in the interim who knows? A relative of mine played of 14 3 years ago. Had an accident didn't play for 2 years and is now off 24.

Domo1982

Golfgorfield wrote: »

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This tells a story in itself about this lad. IMHO

lol(laugh out loud)

He's quite a self controlled bandit so Gorfield is he? - Strikes every 4 years

The Leap Year Bandito - Beware in 2020 lads!

lol

PARlance

Golfgorfield wrote: »

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This tells a story in itself about this lad. IMHO

What story does it tell? IYHO

IMHO, he could have won a comp 4 years ago and spent those 4 years getting mainly plus .1's back until he hits 21 this year and has another win. 1 freak round every 4 years could be the story.

It hasn't mentioned that any of these wins was a big one, captains etc. That would lead me to believe that they're just standard comps.
Were they standard weekend comps or big wins Kieran. ?

I don't think a lad would spend 4 years losing 4 shots just to win a €40 voucher... assuming everyone that has a freak score is a bandit probably helps deflect attention from the real bandits.

Seve OB

I think Gorefield you need to really take a step back and stop judging things you know nothing about. You come across as someone who begrudges the weaker golfer for having a high handicap. Did someone with a high handicap beat you lately or something????

kieran.

I wasn't implying he was a bandit at all, I just thought it was an unusual card for a 21 handicapper everyone has a streaky day (sure no matter if your of +2 or off 21 every time you step on to the course you hope today's your day for one ).

It was an Mid week Open Comp in my course, he didn't win, 42 pts did

Keano

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PARlance

kieran. wrote: »

I wasn't implying he was a bandit at all, I just thought it was an unusual card for a 21 handicapper everyone has a streaky day (sure no matter if your of +2 or off 21 every time you step on to the course you hope today's your day for one ).

It was an Mid week Open Comp in my course, he didn't win, 42 pts did

Sorry didn't mean to imply you did, but by starting a thread about it, it was inevitably going to go down that road.

Yes it's an unusual card for a 21 but not beyond the realms of possibility. Targetting a midweek comp wouldn't be a characteristic of something untoward in my book. The majority of golfers are high hc'ers so it's normal for one of the majority to have a freak round in the majority of comps.

I did a piece of analysis on one golf club a few years ago. Worked out the % HC splits between all the different categories and it turned out that Cat 1s won disproportionately more comps than the high Cat's. The issue arises with perception though. I cant recall the exact findings but High Cat's were winning 80% of comps but they accounted for 90% of members.

Some of the comparisons made between high and low guys in the thread have been way off IMHO. If a 20 HC plays has a great round, say 150% better than his HC, then he shoots 10 over, 46 points. If a 6 HC has the same type of round then he shoots 3 over, 39 points. That's a simplistic way of putting it but closer to reality than saying it's equivalent of the low guy also shooting 10 shots better, -4. The variance decreases as the HC lowers, that's normal.

Golfgorfield

Seve OB wrote: »

I think Gorefield you need to really take a step back and stop judging things you know nothing about. You come across as someone who begrudges the weaker golfer for having a high handicap. Did someone with a high handicap beat you lately or something????

Im judging it only on the evidence provided, a guy off 21 now, had 41pts with the help of being -2 for 13 of the holes, and 5 scratches, while the same guy had 41pts off 17 4 years ago.
On that evidence it seems to me hes way better than his hcap, both now and has been in the past.

Why would i begrudge someone who has a high hcap?