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Ryback's contract dispute

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  • 03-05-2016 10:32am
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    Ryback has been dropped from WWE programming, apparently due to contract disputes. He was supposed to be in the battle royal to pick the new US title #1 contender on Raw, but didn't appear.

    http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/704795-ryback-wwe-contract-dispute


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Every part of me wants this to be how that went down, they offer Ryback a new contract, he looks at it, shakes his head and says "Feed Me More".


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Ryback really is over-estimating his own worth here. Hes easily replaceable and I can't see him going anywhere else for better or career choices.

    Bad move by the big guy IMO


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Ryback really is over-estimating his own worth here. Hes easily replaceable and I can't see him going anywhere else for better or career choices.

    Bad move by the big guy IMO

    Didnt he say on austins podcast that he should be the guy to be cenas replacement or something like that. so he clearly believes hes a top guy so being on the pre show wont please him i would guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭LeeJM


    Ryback knows his value. He would walk right into the New Japan upper midcard as the new no 2 gaijin behind Kenny Omega.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    sky88 wrote: »
    Didnt he say on austins podcast that he should be the guy to be cenas replacement or something like that. so he clearly believes hes a top guy so being on the pre show wont please him i would guess.

    this interview is about as clear as possible what his feelings are. Very openly disgruntled about his position on the card.




    I would not imagine this is a contract dispute about money unless it's money to placate him re not being where he thinks he should be on the card.


    Personally I think he could have been used a bit better but I would not be putting him anywhere near the main event picture myself and think his value is dropping year on year. For example there actually could have been money in a Goldberg vs Ryback feud or mania match a few years back but now it's laughable to think they would put him in such a position. His rep for injuring people will no doubt hold the company back when thinking about how to push him also.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Does he have a rep for injuring people? For some reason that's not ringing a bell. Can only think of Punk saying that. Can't remember seeing it in the Torch or the Observer. Who did he hurt?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Monokne wrote: »
    Does he have a rep for injuring people? For some reason that's not ringing a bell. Can only think of Punk saying that. Can't remember seeing it in the Torch or the Observer. Who did he hurt?

    Kofi, Ziggler and Ricardo, I think maybe Swagger as well.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 14,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    Xenji wrote: »
    Kofi, Ziggler and Ricardo, I think maybe Swagger as well.

    Punk as well? Or i could be wrong


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭LeeJM


    Xenji wrote: »
    Kofi, Ziggler and Ricardo, I think maybe Swagger as well.

    What injuries did he give them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Didn't he show up on Sunday with the words 'pre-show stopper' written on his tights? Sounds like he doesn't care if he's future endeavoured.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    LeeJM wrote: »
    What injuries did he give them?

    Kofi needed elbow surgery, Ziggler suffered a concussion, Ricardo had a neck injury, he has also dropped Swagger on his head along with CM Punk and Daniel Bryan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Punk as well? Or i could be wrong

    Dropped Punk on his head.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Monokne wrote: »
    Does he have a rep for injuring people? For some reason that's not ringing a bell. Can only think of Punk saying that. Can't remember seeing it in the Torch or the Observer. Who did he hurt?

    I remember Meltzer saying on one of the Observer radio shows that when he was initially feed jobbers longer than expected in the beginning of his streak run because he had a rep for hurting people. His source said guys in the locker room didn't want to face him because he was careless


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Ryback rulez !


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    I remember a weird match Ryback had on RAW with Cesaro, and its when I realised he would never make it big. It was before Survivor Series, Team Cena v Team Authority

    Ryabck is having one of his re-pushes where he faced Cesaro but Cesaro wasn't getting anywhere himself. Instead of a squash it was an unusually long Ryback tv match.

    He was bloated as **** and gassed EARLY, like three minutes in. Cesaro has to go into rest hold early. Most of the match is Ryback resting, a small burst of life then Cesaro having to slow it down again. Cesaro even starts throwing Ryback around as if he was pissed off with Ryback (and his own booking).

    Always though it was an odd match in the context of where they both were at the time (Cesaro followed it up losing to Ryback in about 4 minutes and Swagger in 5)




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    If rybacks unbeaten run had been pushed another few months, he could've been pretty big.

    Would've still died down in a huge way when he eventually lost, mind. It's impossible to deny that he wasn't getting seriously over at that time though (pretty sure the numbers backed it up too).

    He's deluded to think he has much value now, I'd also wager he's perhaps too associated with WWE to have much value to njpw and the like. Everything about him feels like a wwe construct.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,758 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The Daniel Bryan injury got him heat with trips as he made a compete **** up. He didn't protect Daniel Bryan and could have hurt him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭Monokne


    http://thebigguyryback22.tumblr.com/post/143803724226/feed-me-more

    Seems reasonable enough to me. Probably best for both sides that they part ways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    Monokne wrote: »
    http://thebigguyryback22.tumblr.com/post/143803724226/feed-me-more

    Seems reasonable enough to me. Probably best for both sides that they part ways.

    Gonna quote that post so I can read it without the horrible red background

    Today I sit and fly home and for the first time in years feel absolutely free. I will start by saying I did request to be taken off of WWE television until myself and Vince could get a yes or no on a new deal. This has been going on since my IC Title run and had been nothing but a major strain on my life as all I ever wanted to do was work for WWE. I was told to head home until we agree or not agree to specific terms and contrary to reports it isn’t over money or a bus that stuff was settled a while ago. It comes down to a major problem I have with not only WWE but wrestling in general. Wrestling is pre determined, we as performers know before we go out to that ring or perform a backstage scene who is winning and losing etc or have a general idea of what we are going to say. It blows my mind how in a sport which is pre determined from a company standpoint winners are paid so much more than the losers. Every single person who works for WWE from top to bottom is absolutely just as valuable as the next. The winners cannot win unless the losers go out there and agree to lose to them.

    It blows my mind that in this day and age though we still adhere to this formula. Obviously things have always been this way, but does that make them right? Times have changed and our goal as humans should be to evolve and learn from our past and the past of others so we could make this world a better place. Why is it a guy who is told he is going to go out and lose and does everything he is told be paid not only less, but much less than said winner over a period of time. Every single performer for WWE sacrifices the same amount of time from home and their families and every single man or women goes out and does what they are told. Looking at this formula though losers turn into what fans like to call jobbers and their value decreases in the companies eyes and before you know it they get released. For what? For doing exactly as they are told!

    Why not pay the talent equally? The winners have more MERCH as it is or are supposed to anyways so they get that extra perk, but why make the guy who is told to and agrees to lose earn less and sacrifice spots in big pay per view match ups etc. This is one of the major problems with wrestling and WWE today. Most guys take great satisfaction in helping making other talent, the bitching and the moaning we always hear about stems from the fact they know they are ultimately over time going to make less and live in fear of being released.

    I am proud to say I have never gone to change a finish and have gladly took pride in helping put over other talent. Hell look at my pay per view record of 12-26 and you will see that has been the pattern of my career. I have always been confident in my ability and work ethic to being my best every day and ultimately always felt that by doing good it was the right thing to do. Personally seeing my money go down over the years though even though I was working as much as ever and being denied magazine covers and other projects as well as watching my role diminish no matter what I did or how hard I tried takes its toll on a human. Being told no matter how hard I work or how good I get doesn’t always pay off is something I ****ing refuse to ever believe in my life. I am a creative being and to be restricted time and time again is no way to live life. There is nothing I cannot do and I know no matter what comes of this situation I am going to be just fine. It isn’t soley about money, it is about commitment. Commitment to a guy who ****ing cares and who loves this more than anything in the world and wants to know that his passion his efforts and his determination to constantly improve is going to be recognized and taken care of.

    WWE may very well release me, which if it is the case so be it. If we can work things out a lot needs to change as I am not living in fear and creatively cannot continue to live a life that limits me creatively. I have many other interests and passions and have been very smart with my finances over the years. I thank every WWE superstar from top to bottom for their sacrifices and for working with me. The world is an amazing place and there is more than just a WWE universe there is The Universe and I will prove one way or another over time I am the greatest big guy in the universe!

    I'd say Vince loves the left leaning stuff in that argument there...

    I'd need to hear him argue it more thoroughly to be sure, but I think he's got a few gaping holes in his logic. Am happy that in recent years guys seem to have become more willing to speak up for themselves though, the WWE lifestyle seems fairly **** for most and its good to see most of them don't feel trapped.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    they made a big mistake throwing him straight from steamrolling jobbers into challenging Punk for the title, and have him expect too much of a continued push beyond that feud.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    What's Ryebread doing in the Impact Zone?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    Ryback never, ever got over properly. After they gave him a catchphrase and pushed him, he could get over mildly with creative behind him, but it ALWAYS went the same way. And it's not creative's fault either. Talented guys manage to cling to relevance even when creative has forgotten them - look at Owens or Cesaro for example.

    His argument sounds good on paper but is ridiculously flawed too. It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. For a start, I'd say he doesn't even know how many extra hours the likes of Cena has to put in than him because he's never been in Cena's shoes. He can be willing to do all the extra work all he likes, **** I'd be willing to do it myself if it was handed to me, but the cold reality of it all is that the likes of ESPN aren't clamouring to have him on for interviews because he hasn't forced them to with the performances and opportunities he's gotten.

    Secondly, amount of hours worked and 'time spent away from family' don't translate to value. Your value is how much someone is willing to pay you versus being willing to not do business with you. Simple as that. If WWE aren't willing to pay him it and would let him walk, he's gone.

    Thirdly, this isn't like an actor's situation where they're given a script that could've been written for any other actor and the salary is based on amount of days on set, name value he'd bring to the production etc, so whether the character he plays lives or dies is irrelevant. There IS a competitive element to wrestling. Yes, it is a subjective matter at the mercy of a promoter/booker who may not see all you have to offer. And yes, that isn't 100% fair and can be quite frustrating to deal with. But that's the game. You knew the rules when you got into this. If you wanted to be judged and paid based on hard work and caster-iron merit, don't get into the 'fake' sport, get into something competitive! So, while he might think he's making a salient point and reinventing the wheel with his argument, to me he comes across as a bit of a dunce, complaining about pro-wrestling having never truly understood what it took to make it in the business he was so 'dedicated' to.

    The funny thing is, though, I don't know if this will be the end of him. I remember Triple H talking before about how Vince likes to give guys rope to hang themselves if they put their neck out and look for opportunities, and the highest profile example of this in recent times is (ironically) Punk. So I could see Vince giving him some kind of extension and opportunity after this outburst, just to see if he sinks or swims.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭LeeJM


    Moneymaker wrote: »
    What's Ryebread doing in the Impact Zone?!

    I prefer Ryberg. Or if he goes to New Japan he can be "The Silverback" Ryan Berg and lead the Guerillas of Destiny (Tama Tonga & Tonga Roa)


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    Ryback has always been pretty awful and if he leaves it will make absolutely no difference. Harsh but true


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I would say he was over. If I'm not mistaken when he was put into the Cell match with Punk it did a very good buyrate. The problem was always going to be what do with him when he suffered his first loss. They had no plan for him and it wasn't long before he was doing jobs left and right having been protected prior to that.

    I think he does have a charisma for the type of role he's asked to do. When he returned as a babyface, I think it was against Bo Dallas, he got a great reaction. He has something. He's not good in the ring but then again neither were Warrior or Goldberg and they were successful.

    I also think it's not a bad idea for him to let it be known that he doesn't need them. They crush into the ground those who are desperate to stay there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    I would say he was over. If I'm not mistaken when he was put into the Cell match with Punk it did a very good buyrate.
    iirc the show done something like 130k buys at a time when EVERY B-tier PPV was doing around 90k (including hell in a cell). There was absolutely no other reason for a bump of that size and it has been shown time and time again how hard it was to bump any ppv other than Summerslam and Mania (see the relatively ****ty buyrate for MITB2011, one of the most well booked PPVs ever, for proof).
    The consensus was very much "well, we made a mistake pulling the trigger that early" at the time.
    Of course, the Rock hogging the Mania main event those two years meant his opportunities were limited regardless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭Monokne


    leggo wrote: »
    Ryback never, ever got over properly. After they gave him a catchphrase and pushed him, he could get over mildly with creative behind him, but it ALWAYS went the same way. And it's not creative's fault either. Talented guys manage to cling to relevance even when creative has forgotten them - look at Owens or Cesaro for example.

    The numbers speak for themselves. I don't advocate him as a talent at ALL but his number with Punk for that Hell in a Cell were bigger than Punk did for his famous pipebomb. He was genuinely on the verge of being a new star, had they pulled the trigger on him. I mean for all you'd say Ryback wasn't over and people would claim Bryan was, Ryback moved the needle on PPV and Bryan never did.

    Also, I think you've missed the point of his statement. He's said he feels he's worth more than the company are willing to pay him and disagrees with the payment structure, and if they can't find a middle ground, he'll leave. This isn't Conor V the UFC where he's planting a flag in the ground and trying to argue his corner. He's stating his position & his reasoning and making it clear that wherever the chips may fall, he's fine with it.

    I admire his balls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    Yeah, don't get me wrong like, I don't like or rate the guy, but what he's doing does take balls and I could see it paying off for him in the short-term.

    Ryback did fine when the creative wheels were spinning for him. It's like I've said a million times before on here though: the real test is when you're left to sink or swim in no man's land without any creative, and if you force their hand. It's how WWE pushes everyone since Brock originally left - a big initial push, followed by a quick de-push, and then it's wrestling Darwinism as to who gets back up the card. And to me that's a damn fine system because it weeds out the crap immediately and even the most awkward fans who like to ironically like something that isn't working aren't immune to it. He's worked fine with the pushes then constantly fell into obscurity when they take their foot off the gas. He's sunk when he could've swam multiple times. That's on him. His look and this stunt will probably earn him yet another chance, but I'm calling it now: it's going exactly the same way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,395 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Fair play to Ryback. It's nice to see an attempt to change the business that doesn't involve 'All these part timers shouldn't be in the main event..........unless I'm the guy in the main event with them.'


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,868 ✭✭✭Andersonisgod


    leggo wrote: »
    Yeah, don't get me wrong like, I don't like or rate the guy, but what he's doing does take balls and I could see it paying off for him in the short-term.

    Ryback did fine when the creative wheels were spinning for him. It's like I've said a million times before on here though: the real test is when you're left to sink or swim in no man's land without any creative, and if you force their hand. It's how WWE pushes everyone since Brock originally left - a big initial push, followed by a quick de-push, and then it's wrestling Darwinism as to who gets back up the card. And to me that's a damn fine system because it weeds out the crap immediately and even the most awkward fans who like to ironically like something that isn't working aren't immune to it. He's worked fine with the pushes then constantly fell into obscurity when they take their foot off the gas. He's sunk when he could've swam multiple times. That's on him. His look and this stunt will probably earn him yet another chance, but I'm calling it now: it's going exactly the same way.

    A damn fine system that has failed to create any superstar post Cena? I'm not sure in what world anyone could regard WWE's stop/start pushes and 50/50 booking as a damn fine system.


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