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NOT happy with next door neighbour running an Air Bnb from their house.

  • 30-04-2016 2:01pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1


    Our neighbour is running an Air-bnb from his house for the past 6 months, He never asked/informed us about this to date.
    We live in a small quiet cul de sac and have been having plenty of issues with them, due to noise, the fact that different strangers are next door to us every couple of days, looking in our window walking around our property, parking in our drive etc.
    We have to call in to ask them to move their car or not walk around our house on average 5 times a week.
    I would love to know if anyone is having the same type of issues with a neighbour running an air bnb.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    Why would he ask or inform you about that??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    Our neighbour is running an Air-bnb from his house for the past 6 months, He never asked/informed us about this to date.
    We live in a small quiet cul de sac and have been having plenty of issues with them, due to noise, the fact that different strangers are next door to us every couple of days, looking in our window walking around our property, parking in our drive etc.
    We have to call in to ask them to move their car or not walk around our house on average 5 times a week.
    I would love to know if anyone is having the same type of issues with a neighbour running an air bnb.

    have you tried talking to your neighbour, perhaps suggesting he/she prints up some notices to inform future guests of what parking spaces they can/can't use, and how to avoid inadvertently trespassing on your private property?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Walking around your house and looking in your windows?

    Have you a fence and some curtains?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,680 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    So he is now running business for profit next door like a hotel? Would that not require change in planning compared to long lease sole residence??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭milehip


    Why would he ask or inform you about that??

    Just to be upfront about things, like a good neighbour would if they were having a party or the like.
    If the're parking in your drive, clamp them,50 euro release fee seems reasonable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    Just as you're entitled to do what you like with your property, he's entitled to do what he likes with his. Imagine my next door neighbor telling me if I could or couldn't rent out my house. No way Jose


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    Does the neighbour live in the house?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    People tend to look into windows, that's kind of their purpose.

    In my house the purpose of the windows is to allow light in and allow me to look out. I don't think I'd be too impressed if customers of the house next door started randomly pressing their face against the glass for a gawp.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 947 ✭✭✭zef


    milehip wrote: »
    Just to be upfront about things, like a good neighbour would if they were having a party or the like.
    If the're parking in your drive, clamp them,50 euro release fee seems reasonable..

    Don't do this OP. Re - the "clamping" I'm sure you have more sense anyway, but it couldn't possibly improve the situation.
    They are likely to be tired bewildered holidaymakers trying to find their accommodation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Just as you're entitled to do what you like with your property, he's entitled to do what he likes with his...
    That's not true.

    As an extreme example, he can't run a brothel.

    Neither can he run a bar, or retail business without planning permission (and additionally for a bar, a licence).

    He can't run a fully-fledged accommodation business without planning permission and meeting fire regulations.

    And so on.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Graham wrote: »
    In my house the purpose of the windows is to allow light in and allow me to look out. I don't think I'd be too impressed if customers of the house next door started randomly pressing their face against the glass for a gawp.

    I very much doubt people are randomly pressing their face against the glass for a gawp, I'd say it's more a case people's eyes catching the window, a bright window if it's late, and naturally looking.

    Seriously, if your window opens to a public or busy area, put up net curtains or ordinary curtains like most people do. Chances are most have as much interest in looking into your house as you have of them doing so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Air B&B is an absolute disaster for neighbours. Unlike a traditional B&B, it allows temporary guests without any kind of supervision, and unlike a long-term rental, it allows people who are just there for a night or two usually to have a good time. The end result is often a party house with random strangers doing whatever they please without worrying about having to live beside the neighbours long term and with nobody to ask them to reel in their behaviour in the short term.

    Unfortunately I don't know if there's anything you can do, OP, beyond contacting the neighbour and explaining that their guests are being a nuisance. As someone suggested upthread, they could take steps to ask their guests to be more respectful. I can see the short-term, entire-property lets being something that becomes legislated further down the line, but until then, the best you can do is to play nice with the property owner and grin and bear it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    TheDriver wrote:
    So he is now running business for profit next door like a hotel? Would that not require change in planning compared to long lease sole residence??


    No. It's not a hotel. Air B&B is sort of like taking in foreign students. Some houses in Dublin can have up to 10 students as well as the home family in the house at the same time. Granted 10 would be the exception. No need for planning


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    No. It's not a hotel. Air B&B is sort of like taking in foreign students. Some houses in Dublin can have up to 10 students as well as the home family in the house at the same time. Granted 10 would be the exception. No need for planning

    But in those examples, the family are still in the home, so the students are supervised.

    AirB&B allows for total property lets: no supervision, like in the case you mention, and also no consequences for the long-term, like in the case of a standard rental. It's a completely different scenario.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    Complain to the local council and local TD's - short-term lettings of this kind would be illegal due to planning, except for AirBnB effectively creating a sidestep/loophole.

    It's important that the council and politicians hear these kinds of complaints, and are properly aware of how AirBnB rentals are causing a nuisance.

    If there is noise outside of acceptable hours, also inform the Gardai and ask them to speak to the owner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    DivingDuck wrote:
    AirB&B allows for total property lets: no supervision, like in the case you mention, and also no consequences for the long-term, like in the case of a standard rental. It's a completely different scenario.

    DivingDuck wrote:
    But in those examples, the family are still in the home, so the students are supervised.


    OP never said that the owners don't live in the house. But even if they don't it's still not a hotel. A hotel has staff, receptionist etc so air B&B is not like a hotel. If anything, if owners don't live there then it comes under holiday home. Again there is no need for planning permission for a holiday home / guest house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭Wabbit Ears


    If there OP speaks to the neighbour they can come up with an agreement around fencing and/or appropriate signs.

    Realistically there is nothing the OP can do to stop this so its best just to do whatever small changes are needed to get on with it and not be constantly upset by it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    OP never said that the owners don't live in the house. But even if they don't it's still not a hotel. A hotel has staff, receptionist etc so air B&B is not like a hotel. If anything, if owners don't live there then it comes under holiday home. Again there is no need for planning permission for a holiday home / guest house.

    They didn't, but my point is that AirB&B does allow rentals of this nature, so this is the case for many people experiencing these problems, and may be the case for the OP, too.

    There is not currently a requirement for planning for this type of enterprise (I never suggested there was), but the OP's complaints make it clear that this doesn't mean there's no need for it.

    A holiday home is usually used for the use of the owners and people known to them. A guesthouse is usually operated by the owner or a manager of their choosing, but in either case, there is someone in the property whose responsibility it is to ensure the guests don't cause trouble for the neighbours. In an AirB&B situation, this is not always the case.

    OP, I would definitely consider doing what KomradeBishop suggested. If you want to see changes in the legislation regarding this type of thing, you're going to have to let those who could create it know that there's a need for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    He should have just left the house empty to suit you. What kind of boundaries are around your property (if any)? Have you got no gates? I seriously doubt that people are walking around your house and looking in your windows. The vast majority of people know not to do things like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Corca Baiscinn


    Re possible legislation, I cant post the link but Berlin has just legislated to bring residential apartments back to long term lets rather than short-term airbnb. This was for a different reason than OP's problem of course, ie to increase the amount of property available for long-term letting tor residential tenants but it shows that airbnb can be regulated if required. With regard to OP's immediate problem, the owner certainly could make it easier on his neighbours and clients by for example giving his house a name to make it more easily identifiable and on the page where he gives clients information about his property there is a list of appliances/facilities so he can state "parking for ONE car" or whatever and suggest where alternative parking is available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Haven't read or heard of any problems in Ireland with AirBnB.
    No one on here except the OP has actually encountered a problem. Its all supposition.
    If there was any major issue, I have no doubt the media would have latched onto it. None of them would pass up a negative story on AirBnB or Uber etc.

    OP will have a real complaint if its let to students. Not all students now mind but some are a nightmare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Water John wrote: »
    Haven't read or heard of any problems in Ireland with AirBnB.
    No one on here except the OP has actually encountered a problem. Its all supposition.
    If there was any major issue, I have no doubt the media would have latched onto it. None of them would pass up a negative story on AirBnB or Uber etc.

    I'd have a huge problem with it happening in a house next door to mine because I would be of the belief that it compromises security. Furthermore, people buy homes in quiet residential neighbourhoods because that's where they want to live. If they wanted to live next-door to a hotel, they could easily do so for probably far less money.

    I'm fortunate enough to live in an apartment where the Management Company/head lease prevents this carry-on, but I have absolute sympathy with those in houses who are experiencing these issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Duck, you have no evidence, except for OP post. You have based all your posts on some thing that may largely not exist.

    I wouldn't have a problem with it. There is a certain etiquette in most cities around parking etc. One simply doesn't park in another persons driveway.

    I am not convinced that the OP is reasonable in this thread.
    I think we are chasing shadows here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Report them to revenue , they have an interest in AirB&b incone , a tax audit might soften yours neighbours cough !!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    You'd be late there, Boat, AirBnB have already done that.
    Not a deterrent any more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭newacc2015


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Report them to revenue , they have an interest in AirB&b incone , a tax audit might soften yours neighbours cough !!!!!

    I absolutely hate this argument. Any time someone on boards has an issue with their landlord, there is always someone who suggests blackmailing them with a threat from Revenue. How would you like if someone didnt like and decided to call Revenue on you? Would you find it a pleasant experience to have agents from Revenue going through your bank account and expenses for the last 4 years all because someone disliked you?

    BTW if you were in the loop. You would know that Airbnb hands over all the income details of the lettings in Ireland to Revenue. OP's neighbour has nothing to hide from Revenue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Op has right to complain to the police, council etc. The fact that it is air b&b is neither here nor there. First stop should be a friendly chat with the owner neighbour. The trespassing laws are the same for the home owner or air b&b so if there is actually trespassing call the cops. If parking in your drive call the cops.
    No offense but I think op is hung up on the b&b thing. Treat it like you would any other problem neighbour.
    Good luck with it and I hope you get a happy solution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Water John wrote: »
    Duck, you have no evidence, except for OP post. You have based all your posts on some thing that may largely not exist.

    I wouldn't have a problem with it. There is a certain etiquette in most cities around parking etc. One simply doesn't park in another persons driveway.

    I am not convinced that the OP is reasonable in this thread.
    I think we are chasing shadows here.

    The only thing I need evidence of is whether or not the OP has a problem. They say they do, so I'm choosing to believe them.

    It's fine that this wouldn't cause issues for you, but you don't have to have a problem with something for it to cause issues for others.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    BoatMad wrote:
    Report them to revenue , they have an interest in AirB&b incone , a tax audit might soften yours neighbours cough !!!!!


    Air b&b report all its clients to the revenue anyway. This was covered by joe Duffy a few weeks ago. The income doesn't come under the rent a room scheme either so its all taxable


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭newacc2015


    Complain to the local council and local TD's - short-term lettings of this kind would be illegal due to planning, except for AirBnB effectively creating a sidestep/loophole.

    It's important that the council and politicians hear these kinds of complaints, and are properly aware of how AirBnB rentals are causing a nuisance.

    If there is noise outside of acceptable hours, also inform the Gardai and ask them to speak to the owner.

    If I were a Landlord and TD's introduce Laws to ban the type of Airbnb that OP has an issue with. I would be fuming. There are thousands of Landlords in Ireland who have to deal with an social tenants and can not evict them as the PRTB is so slow to deal with their case. A bad Airbnb might cause an issue for a weekend. But an anti-social tenant can create issues for years. Landlords have asked for legalisation to evict anti-tenants quicker to be introduced, but there is radio silence from the Government on this

    If TD's ban these types of Airbnbs, it will only further highlight that face that tenancy laws only serve to protect the tenant in Ireland regardless of their behaviour.

    IMO OP nuisance is minor. I would love to know if OP would rather live next store to an Airbnb or an anti-social tenant who wont be evicted for the next 12 months due to the lengthy eviction process. Look at the amount of threads on serious anti-social behaviour from tenants and compare that to the first thread on have seen on an issue with an Airbnb letting. This issue is very minor compared to an anti-social tenant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    If I were a Landlord and TD's introduce Laws to ban the type of Airbnb that OP has an issue with. I would be fuming. There are thousands of Landlords in Ireland who have to deal with an social tenants and can not evict them as the PRTB is so slow to deal with their case. A bad Airbnb might cause an issue for a weekend. But an anti-social tenant can create issues for years. Landlords have asked for legalisation to evict anti-tenants quicker to be introduced, but there is radio silence from the Government on this

    If TD's ban these types of Airbnbs, it will only further highlight that face that tenancy laws only serve to protect the tenant in Ireland regardless of their behaviour.

    IMO OP nuisance is minor. I would love to know if OP would rather live next store to an Airbnb or an anti-social tenant who wont be evicted for the next 12 months due to the lengthy eviction process. Look at the amount of threads on serious anti-social behaviour from tenants and compare that to the first thread on have seen on an issue with an Airbnb letting. This issue is very minor compared to an anti-social tenant.

    I agree that being unable to remove problematic long-term tenants is a huge concern and something that also needs to be addressed, but allowing another problem to develop alongside it is not the solution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Went back and read OP's opening post.
    Signed off asking if anyone else had similar problems.
    Its up 8/9 hours, nobody has.

    On balance, I know which way I'm inclined on this.

    I think AirBnB is a fantastic innovative idea. Have not used it myself yet, but I think I would much prefer it to a souless hotel experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Water John wrote: »
    Went back and read OP's opening post.
    Signed off asking if anyone else had similar problems.
    Its up 8/9 hours, nobody has.

    On balance, I know which way I'm inclined on this.

    I think AirBnB is a fantastic innovative idea. Have not used it myself yet, but I think I would much prefer it to a souless hotel experience.

    Ive used AirBnB , it's no different , in the main , to people running small B&ab operations , some are great some are , well , meh


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    Some people are naturally hospitable, and naturally outgoing. "People person" kind of people.

    Then there's some who are assholes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    If I were a Landlord and TD's introduce Laws to ban the type of Airbnb that OP has an issue with. I would be fuming. There are thousands of Landlords in Ireland who have to deal with an social tenants and can not evict them as the PRTB is so slow to deal with their case. A bad Airbnb might cause an issue for a weekend. But an anti-social tenant can create issues for years. Landlords have asked for legalisation to evict anti-tenants quicker to be introduced, but there is radio silence from the Government on this

    If TD's ban these types of Airbnbs, it will only further highlight that face that tenancy laws only serve to protect the tenant in Ireland regardless of their behaviour.

    IMO OP nuisance is minor. I would love to know if OP would rather live next store to an Airbnb or an anti-social tenant who wont be evicted for the next 12 months due to the lengthy eviction process. Look at the amount of threads on serious anti-social behaviour from tenants and compare that to the first thread on have seen on an issue with an Airbnb letting. This issue is very minor compared to an anti-social tenant.
    Anti-social tenants in regular rentals, have nothing to do with the problems caused by AirBnB - and you're presenting a false dichotomy, it's not a choice between the odd bad AirBnB guest, and long-term anti-social tenants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Komrade, I think everybody would accept that one can always get 'the odd bad' AirBnB client.
    The OP said they have to approach the owner 5 times a week.

    Must be doing great business but very unfortunate with their clientele.
    Id' say the OP would want to check it isn't some other service is being provided!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭newacc2015


    Anti-social tenants in regular rentals, have nothing to do with the problems caused by AirBnB - and you're presenting a false dichotomy, it's not a choice between the odd bad AirBnB guest, and long-term anti-social tenants.

    You are correct, the problems caused by long term tenants are not similar to the Airbnb. They often significantly worse and long term. The reality OP situation could be the choice between an anti-social tenant and the few odd Airbnb lettings. I imagine there are hundreds of people around Ireland who have are living next store to anti-social tenant who would love to have the minor issues that OP is facing.

    OP is faced with two situations. The odd Airbnb letting accidentally parking in their space etc. Or possibly living next store to a long term tenant who is extremely anti-social and that is reality. You might see that differently, but it is a very real possibility. Ask the thousands of people who have serious issue with long term rental per year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭newacc2015


    DivingDuck wrote: »
    I agree that being unable to remove problematic long-term tenants is a huge concern and something that also needs to be addressed, but allowing another problem to develop alongside it is not the solution.

    So you dont see an issue with the Government dragging their heals for 12 years on not being able to evict dodgy tenants in an industry with over 150k properties let? Yet the Government rapidly introduces legalisation on Airbnb, which probably dont even make up 1% of let housing units. The Government couldn't make it any clearer that they hate landlords

    What exactly is the problem with Airbnb? Other than your weak argument on security and OP's problem with parking? There are hundreds of Airbnb lettings daily in Dublin without any issues. I imagine there is significantly less issues with Airbnb than long term lettings per housing unit.

    OP main issue is that they werent informed of the house being turned into an Airbnb ( I dont see why it is any of their business). Also that strangers are walking by their house ( If you choose to live in city, that is inevitable). Most of OP's issue with the Airbnb other than noise would not bother 99% of other people ie people walking past their house


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    DivingDuck wrote: »
    I'd have a huge problem with it happening in a house next door to mine because I would be of the belief that it compromises security.

    How? Arent suburban estates in the vast majorty, open and accessible to anyone that chooses to walk down the street? I have many neighbours, many are also strangers, they are probable getting upto worse things that someone sleeping in my next door neighbours spare room (and if they do decide to hack someone to death, it will be my neighbour, not me :D)
    DivingDuck wrote: »
    Furthermore, people buy homes in quiet residential neighbourhoods because that's where they want to live. If they wanted to live next-door to a hotel, they could easily do so for probably far less money.

    Hotels get built, B&B's open, neighbours have guests stay. At any given day of the week theres guests staying in one of the houses on my street and in one of the apartments in your complex.
    DivingDuck wrote: »
    I'm fortunate enough to live in an apartment where the Management Company/head lease prevents this carry-on, but I have absolute sympathy with those in houses who are experiencing these issues.

    This intriques me, you cant have guests stay over in an apartment that you own?
    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    The trespassing laws are the same for the home owner or air b&b so if there is actually trespassing call the cops. If parking in your drive call the cops.

    only criminal trespassing is a matter for the Gardai, civil trespass is not. Gardai can only remove vehicles parked in a public place.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    esforum wrote: »
    This intriques me, you cant have guests stay over in an apartment that you own?.

    You can have guests, you just can't charge them. Running a business from an apartment would be the standard ban in head leases. Others prohibit short term lettings


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    You are correct, the problems caused by long term tenants are not similar to the Airbnb. They often significantly worse and long term. The reality OP situation could be the choice between an anti-social tenant and the few odd Airbnb lettings. I imagine there are hundreds of people around Ireland who have are living next store to anti-social tenant who would love to have the minor issues that OP is facing.

    OP is faced with two situations. The odd Airbnb letting accidentally parking in their space etc. Or possibly living next store to a long term tenant who is extremely anti-social and that is reality. You might see that differently, but it is a very real possibility. Ask the thousands of people who have serious issue with long term rental per year.
    As I said that's a false dichotomy, and in no way does what you say invalidate the OP's concerns - effectively, it is whataboutery, just an attempt to distract/divert discussion into being one about long-term tenants, as opposed to the AirBnB problem the OP brings up.

    There is nothing to stop government acting on problems with long-term tenants at the same time as acting on problems with AirBnB - acting on these problems is not a mutually exclusive thing - a problem in another area of the rental market, does not invalidate or take priority over the AirBnB problem the OP brings up, as multiple things can be tackled at once.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    So you dont see an issue with the Government dragging their heals for 12 years on not being able to evict dodgy tenants in an industry with over 150k properties let? Yet the Government rapidly introduces legalisation on Airbnb, which probably dont even make up 1% of let housing units. The Government couldn't make it any clearer that they hate landlords

    What exactly is the problem with Airbnb? Other than your weak argument on security and OP's problem with parking? There are hundreds of Airbnb lettings daily in Dublin without any issues. I imagine there is significantly less issues with Airbnb than long term lettings per housing unit.

    OP main issue is that they werent informed of the house being turned into an Airbnb ( I dont see why it is any of their business). Also that strangers are walking by their house ( If you choose to live in city, that is inevitable). Most of OP's issue with the Airbnb other than noise would not bother 99% of other people ie people walking past their house

    The OP has said they live in a quiet cul de sac. There would be no reason for strangers to be walking around their property.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Re possible legislation, I cant post the link but Berlin has just legislated to bring residential apartments back to long term lets rather than short-term airbnb. This was for a different reason than OP's problem of course, ie to increase the amount of property available for long-term letting tor residential tenants but it shows that airbnb can be regulated if required. .

    There are about 1 million apartments to rent in Berlin, there where at most 20,000 apartments to rent on AirBnB. It's not just Ireland that has incompetent politicians that pass populist laws that don't address the real problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    esforum wrote: »
    How? Arent suburban estates in the vast majorty, open and accessible to anyone that chooses to walk down the street?

    The OP specifically stated a cul-de-sac as opposed to a through-road. These houses usually command higher prices specifically because of the assumption of increased privacy as opposed to a more open road, which is part of the attraction to those who live there. They remain public thoroughfares, but there is a general expectation that random strangers won't be traipsing past your house doing a Dara O'Briain style plastered-to-the-window-staring-in routine.
    At any given day of the week theres guests staying in one of the houses on my street and in one of the apartments in your complex.
    Yes, but the difference between "a guest" and "a paying guest" is that in the case of the former, the apartment owner knows the individual in question. While it remains entirely possible that the person in question is a criminal, the chance is very much reduced-- and even if they do misbehave, the property owner knows them personally to hold them accountable.
    This intriques me, you cant have guests stay over in an apartment that you own?
    Any kind of business operation is prohibited, as are short-term lets. This is quite standard in many head leases.
    only criminal trespassing is a matter for the Gardai, civil trespass is not. Gardai can only remove vehicles parked in a public place.
    In other words, the OP will have even greater trouble dealing with the neighbour's guests parking on their private property. This is hardly helping the argument for allowing these kinds of lets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    newacc2015 wrote: »
    So you dont see an issue with the Government dragging their heals for 12 years on not being able to evict dodgy tenants in an industry with over 150k properties let? Yet the Government rapidly introduces legalisation on Airbnb, which probably dont even make up 1% of let housing units. The Government couldn't make it any clearer that they hate landlords

    I have a huge issue with it. Huge. But this is the same as saying we shouldn't bother looking for a cure for heart disease until we find one for cancer, or that the police shouldn't arrest people for burglary until all open murder cases have been solved. It is necessary to tackle both problems, and it's entirely possible to do both at the same time.

    There has been no "rapidly introduced legislation" regarding AirB&B that I know of, apart from the one about squeezing taxes out of those operating them, which should come as no surprise: the one and only area in which the government moves quickly is when it comes to getting their pound of flesh. That's nothing new.

    Regulatory, protective, legislation is not yet in place, and won't be until people push for it.
    What exactly is the problem with Airbnb? Other than your weak argument on security and OP's problem with parking? There are hundreds of Airbnb lettings daily in Dublin without any issues. I imagine there is significantly less issues with Airbnb than long term lettings per housing unit.

    OP main issue is that they werent informed of the house being turned into an Airbnb ( I dont see why it is any of their business). Also that strangers are walking by their house ( If you choose to live in city, that is inevitable). Most of OP's issue with the Airbnb other than noise would not bother 99% of other people ie people walking past their house
    I don't believe the security argument is weak, but I know security isn't a concern for everyone. There are also concerns about privacy, convenience, trespass, noise, etc. None of this may bother you, but it bothers the OP, it would bother me, and it clearly would bother others in this thread.

    When someone buys a property in a residential location, the reasonable expectation is that they will be surrounded by other residential properties. Planning laws exist to enforce this. AirB&B is currently able to get around them; I don't believe this should continue to remain the case. You're entitled to your conflicting opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    athtrasna wrote: »
    You can have guests, you just can't charge them. Running a business from an apartment would be the standard ban in head leases. Others prohibit short term lettings

    Depends on the exact wording of what is in the lease. In fact, if the owner is renting the entire unit out, he could claim that he is NOT running a business from the apartment, as he is not in/at the apartment for those periods where he is making money from it.

    The OP refers to a house, not an apartment - so there may well not be any lease at all. Unless the house is part of a MUD with a management company involved, there will be ho lease.
    Complain to the local council and local TD's - short-term lettings of this kind would be illegal due to planning, except for AirBnB effectively creating a sidestep/loophole.

    It's important that the council and politicians hear these kinds of complaints, and are properly aware of how AirBnB rentals are causing a nuisance.

    If there is noise outside of acceptable hours, also inform the Gardai and ask them to speak to the owner.

    You can complain all you want, but the Council have no role here under current legislation. The Gardai have no role in noise enforcement.
    Water John wrote: »
    Duck, you have no evidence, except for OP post. You have based all your posts on some thing that may largely not exist.

    I wouldn't have a problem with it. There is a certain etiquette in most cities around parking etc. One simply doesn't park in another persons driveway.

    I am not convinced that the OP is reasonable in this thread.
    I think we are chasing shadows here.
    I agree. I wonder why all these AirBNB guests have cars - wouldn't most tourists be depending on public transport or taxis? It seems unlikely that there would be persistent problems of this nature.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    The Gardai do have a role in noise enforcement, though in this case the DoE may be more suitable, and the council are there to deal with problems falling under their responsibility (such as planning law effectively being sidestepped by AirBnB) - which includes pushing notice up the chain that new legislation is needed, to fix current problems caused by a gap in the law.

    People having problems like this with AirBnB rentals, definitely should be contacting the local council and their local TD's - as well as the Gardai for more immediately actionable problems like noise complaints.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭Jan Laco


    Water John wrote: »
    Komrade, I think everybody would accept that one can always get 'the odd bad' AirBnB client.
    The OP said they have to approach the owner 5 times a week.

    Must be doing great business but very unfortunate with their clientele.
    Id' say the OP would want to check it isn't some other service is being provided!!!!

    Your comment is very unfair and speculating. Just because someone does very well out of airbnb, which could be for numerous reasons such as location, cleanliness, might have a pool for all we know) doesn't mean it's what you are insinuating.

    According to you the OP says she has to approach 5 times a week?Has to or chose to? Who would allow themselves to be approached 5 times per week on a continuous basis by a whining neighbour. I wouldnt be answering calls after the 3rd time if she was being unreasonable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Air bnb users give ratings and feedback about each other on the site. Tell you neighbour so he can leave negative feedback


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