Simon Yates fails dope test

RobFowl

According to Daily Mail (spits) he failed a test at Paris Nice, just the a sample so far and no details on what it was.
Feckin eejet

ThisRegard

Ffs, and out of all the teams to have a rider fail a test.

pelevin

Seems like a Pandora 's box of shiite has been opened up for British cycling the last few days.

DKmac

ThisRegard wrote: »

Ffs, and out of all the teams to have a rider fail a test.

Please. This post is pathetic. Of all teams? Wake up

C-Shore

DKmac wrote: »

Please. This post is pathetic. Of all teams? Wake up

Yeah, cmon sheeple!

DKmac

C-Shore wrote: »

Yeah, cmon sheeple!

And just when OGE were having a really successful start to the year..........

ThisRegard

DKmac wrote: »

Please. This post is pathetic. Of all teams? Wake up

In the rush of blood to your head it looks like your brain has completely failed to understand my post.

velo.2010

On this week's edition of Orica GreenEdge Backstage Pass....

Beasty

DKmac wrote: »

Please. This post is pathetic. Of all teams? Wake up

ThisRegard wrote: »

In the rush of blood to your head it looks like your brain has completely failed to understand my post.

Let's not escalate this further guys

Thanks

velo.2010

Terabutiline - basically an inhaler. Team are claiming a fcuk up by the doctor when he failed to apply for the correct TUE.


http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/statement-regarding-simon-yates-adverse-analytical-finding.phps

RobFowl

velo.2010 wrote: »

Terabutiline - basically an inhaler. Team are claiming a fcuk up by the doctor when he failed to apply for the correct TUE.


http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/statement-regarding-simon-yates-adverse-analytical-finding.phps

It's an inhaler for asthma with no performance benefit to anyone other than treating asthma.
If this is true he deserves to get a very lenient punishment if any ....

MPFGLB

1. What are these doctors up to the they fail to fill in the forms ?? You'd think this was their bread and butter

2. If you have to have these TUES should you be riding ..i mean should you have something to open your lungs up while others don;t

3. If its so benign why is it on the banned list...there must be a reason

RobFowl

MPFGLB wrote: »

1. What are these doctors up to the they fail to fill in the forms ?? You'd think this was their bread and butter

2. If you have to have these TUES should you be riding ..i mean should you have something to open your lungs up while others don;t

3. If its so benign why is it on the banned list...there must be a reason

Paper work is hassle and not easy to do while traveling. Should have been submitted though and no excuse for that.

To question 2 it only opens the lungs of people with asthma who are restricted. Would have no effect on someone without asthma.

And 3 the banned list is being changed and some drugs are only because of historical suspicion of asthma

The Sidewards Man

Let them all go on the juice problem solved.

tombliboo83

It looks like a genuine mistake but nonetheless it looks bad for the sport. It's a pity that footballers aren't given the same level of scrutiny. Cyclist=cheat
Footballer=unfortunate in regards to test failures.

1bryan

DKmac wrote: »

Please. This post is pathetic. Of all teams? Wake up

yeah, Like the Irish, the Australians have a way of doing things that the rest of the world doesn't understand.....

DKmac

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Let them all go on the juice problem solved.

Yeah..and why do I need to go a doctor to get prescription drugs. Surely I'm qualified enough as a person who regularly treats colds and flus to decide what medical products are safe and suitable for my consumption?

Kaisr Sose

1bryan wrote: »

yeah, Like the Irish, the Australians have a way of doing things that the rest of the world doesn't understand.....

I don't read / see any ethnic association. Dr could have been from anywhere ....

It's interesting that the team are coming out with hands up. However, there is an onus on all riders to ensure that any drug/medicine they are taking or given is not on the banned list and if it is, that the TUE is applied for/in place before competing..... If there is a positive test for the drug later, it's their name/ reputation that will be published/talked about, not the doctors!

1bryan

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I don't read / see any ethnic association. Dr could have been from anywhere ....

yeah, sorry, my comment was a bit too cryptic

Brian?

RobFowl wrote: »

It's an inhaler for asthma with no performance benefit to anyone other than treating asthma.
If this is true he deserves to get a very lenient punishment if any ....

I disagree. He's broken the rules, he deserves a ban. Every single athlete is responsible for what they put in their body, that's the basic rule under WADA rules

casion3

It was listed on the form when he did the test so he wasn't trying to hide anything

If he has had previous TUE for it he will be fine.

So many experts quick to make up their mind, frankie sheerhan and aidan o mahoney got done for same thing not a word said about it.

Not saying cheating isn't going on in cycling but all professional sports are as dirty or even dirtier

happytramp

casion3 wrote: »

It was listed on the form when he did the test so he wasn't trying to hide anything

I didn't read that, is it confirmed anywhere?.... If that's true it certainly does seems to be just a mix up.

irishrover99

Its very strange for a Team to take the wrap for something like this when i'm sure the team sponsors will be very concerned about this. Makes me think it could have been a genuine mistake. Who is gonna dispute a team doctor who Yates has probably worked well with for a few years.

Brian?

casion3 wrote: »

It was listed on the form when he did the test so he wasn't trying to hide anything

If he has had previous TUE for it he will be fine.

So many experts quick to make up their mind, frankie sheerhan and aidan o mahoney got done for same thing not a word said about it.

Not saying cheating isn't going on in cycling but all professional sports are as dirty or even dirtier

I don't believe he chested intentionally, all violations need to be punished regardless of intent. For too long back dated or previous TUEs were used to hide genuine treating.

As I said earlier, it was Yates responsibility to ensure everything was done correctly, it was his responsibility as he was the one taking it. If the UCI give him a pass, the door is left ajar for cheaters.

Thud

Think some asthma drugs have performance benefits. Alberto Salazar had some of his athletes on them:

Among the prescriptions the athletes said Salazar often pushed them to obtain were various asthma medications, from albuterol inhalers to corticosteroids. To use some asthma drugs legally, World Anti-Doping Agency rules require athletes to have a documented condition and obtain a waiver. Two former Oregon Project athletes described being told by Salazar to do a hard workout, and then run up the stairs to a doctor’s office to take an asthma test. “You sprint around the track, sprint through downtown Portland, and sprint up the stairs and go do the test,” the runner said. The athlete added that Salazar often had an inhaler to give out to runners who still didn’t qualify. “If you hadn’t failed the asthma test yet,” the runner said, “he’d say, ‘Here’s an inhaler, use it until we get you tested’.” There is some evidence that albuterol inhalers acutely improve muscle performance, but no evidence that they improve aerobic endurance in non-asthmatic athletes.

https://www.propublica.org/article/more-athletes-say-track-coach-alberto-salazar-broke-drug-rules

Taxuser1

If Yates is a confirmed asthma sufferer, and apparently this is well known in Britain, just to add my two cents, the playing field is not ever level, even with the inhalor. The clogged up feeling, the inability to get proper breaths, the anxiety missing a breath or two and trying to keep calm - the inhalor is only one part of the management of asthma to bring you to somewhat parity. Then you have to go and race!

Given the actual type of inhalor that's been reported here, not the usual salbutamol from which Ulissi got caught with overdosing on and are more seen in the Ventolin ones prescribed by most doctors - i myself have the same with Becotide, but an even stronger bricanyl inhalor which is much stronger and more potent, it more points to a chronic sufferer of the condition than trying to seek an "advantage" -

maybe i'm biased to those who suffer from it but to be honest I'm in the Yates camp here. Unfortunate cock up by the team but I'm not sure this lad did it for an advantage - i'm plenty sure others do.

1bryan

which begs the question, if this is a cock-up by the team, and it has cast doubts upon Yates, potentially impacting his future career, surely he can take action against them?

Providing there wasn't some small-print clause in his contract indemnifying them from any such mistakes.

brocbrocach

Taxuser1 wrote: »

If Yates is a confirmed asthma sufferer, and apparently this is well known in Britain, just to add my two cents, the playing field is not ever level, even with the inhalor. The clogged up feeling, the inability to get proper breaths, the anxiety missing a breath or two and trying to keep calm - the inhalor is only one part of the management of asthma to bring you to somewhat parity. Then you have to go and race!

Given the actual type of inhalor that's been reported here, not the usual salbutamol from which Ulissi got caught with overdosing on and are more seen in the Ventolin ones prescribed by most doctors - i myself have the same with Becotide, but an even stronger bricanyl inhalor which is much stronger and more potent, it more points to a chronic sufferer of the condition than trying to seek an "advantage" -

maybe i'm biased to those who suffer from it but to be honest I'm in the Yates camp here. Unfortunate cock up by the team but I'm not sure this lad did it for an advantage - i'm plenty sure others do.

God it's a wonder he's an elite sportsman at all.

MPFGLB

Wonder who he is alluding to ?

https://twitter.com/Martyn_Irvine/status/725919818172395521

Macy0161

I have to say I was always sceptical about exercise induced asthma/ the levels of asthma in professional sports people, until I got off my fat lazy ass, got fit, and then subsequently got diagnosed with it myself once I was pushing myself harder physically! I don't see much performance benefit, except for hacking up/ spitting less phlegm and having to do less "Bushman's Blows" or whatever you want to call it when I am pushing myself on the bike (or running).

Having said that, I'll reserve judgement in this case as I have seen it suggested there are fringe benefits of this particular med that I haven't had a chance to read up on to make a call yet (as you do as a fan of pro-cycling).

MPFGLB

So looks like S Yates had no previous TUE for this medication so sanction likely

MPFGLB

https://twitter.com/irishpeloton/status/726011699443171328

dastardly00

MPFGLB wrote: »

So looks like S Yates had no previous TUE for this medication so sanction likely

From Matt Slater (BBC sports journalist):

https://twitter.com/mjshrimper/status/725999190392864768

ThisRegard

So he changed his asthma drug from ventolin/belcazone to the stuff that has a kick?

MPFGLB

https://twitter.com/EdHutchison/status/726013921937752064

mezzanine08

ThisRegard wrote: »

So he changed his asthma drug from ventolin/belcazone to the stuff that has a kick?

Medically it's the same as salbutamol (ventolin) but in a post above there's a medical journal saying if it's used in high doses it is performance enhancing. I have no doubt he was on a high dose as well.. he knew what he was doing.

dastardly00

According to the website Dopeology, there have been two other incidents involving cyclists and terbutaline.

José-Antonio Pastor (never heard of him) tested positive around 2006 (no other info on him).

Vegard Robinson Bugge tested positive during the 2015 Tour des Fjords. He was reported to have switched asthma medications, using an inhaler for which he did not possess a TUE. Seemingly he had a TUE to use the asthma medication Bricanyl, which includes terbutaline. But he started using Ventolin instead a few years before 2015. Then during the 2015 Tour des Fjords he ran out of Ventolin and went back using Bricanyl again, but he had no current TUE for it.

Leroy42

Without getting into all the in-and-outs, the TUE's, the reasons why, the excuses, the defence, etc etc, in the new Era that cycling has apparently moved into it is simply not acceptable that a team can allow this sort of stuff to happen.

They know that using any drugs brings about risk, even supplements and energy drinks have the potential but any sane team will restrict themselves and their riders to only pre-approved producers.

He is already using an inhaler and that is fine under the rules, but to suddenly change the medication without ensuring that everything is in place prior to that is negligent. The team can blame the doctor all they want but the responsibility lies with them. If he needed to move to another type of medicine they should have withdrawn him from competition until such time as a reason why he previous medication was no longer working and ascertained and made sure everything was in place prior to allowing him use the new stuff

Whatever excuses they come out with is simply not acceptable and even if this is a real case of 'I simply made a mistake' its tough. You knew, or should have known, the risks.

dastardly00

^^^^
Some good points Leroy.
I wonder in this case, should the team be suspended as well as the rider? (like for a few WT races)

MPFGLB

The problem for me is that people outside cycling including sponsors only hear of another failed doping test
So those who say its nothing but a clerical error miss the whole point of what it continues to do to cycling as a sport

terrydel

It really is amazing the amount of top level sportspeople who have cronic or serious health conditions that require long term meidcation. Imagine how good theyd all be if they were perfectly healthy....

Leroy42

Its OK, the UCI have accepted it was all just a mistake and so despite failing a drugs test it won't provisionally suspend him so he can continue on racing.

Guess that lady who mistakenly let a friends bike into the pit for the CX worlds with the motor feels a bit miffed

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/36169275

Glass Prison 1214

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its OK, the UCI have accepted it was all just a mistake.

Guess that lady who mistakenly let a friends bike into the pit for the CX worlds with the motor feels a bit miffed

Link?

MPFGLB

As fro all these sports people having asthma ..I thought being a top athlete meant your were fitter and thus healthier than the general population

Beasty

Except asthma can be exercise induced

Interesting to note

A study was carried out amongst a hundred sportsmen. It revealed that 40% of them had exercise induced asthma for which most of them they were unaware of it.

It also indicates that endurance athletes are more prone

mezzanine08

Beasty wrote: »

Except asthma can be exercise induced[/URL]

Interesting to note
It also indicates that endurance athletes are more prone

Yep - I have asthma but I could smoke til the cows come home without much breathing problems. Yet I have to take two puffs of my inhaler before each cycle or I'll have an asthma attack.

Chris Froome also has asthma iirc.

Glass Prison 1214

Beasty wrote: »

Except asthma can be exercise induced

Interesting to note
It also indicates that endurance athletes are more prone

While I'm not denying that exercise induced asthma exists, there's also been claims by athletes such as Lauren Fleshmen that doctors are telling her and other athletes, to use asthma medication for performance gains (https://www.propublica.org/article/elite-runner-had-qualms-alberto-salazar-asthma-drug-performance), while there is evidence to suggest that the substance in question improves power and performance (https://theconversation.com/terbutaline-the-drug-at-the-heart-of-british-cyclings-week-from-hell-58660). Such a scenario leaves a lot of scope for manipulation for performance gains.

In the case of Yates, what doctor honestly forgets to fill out the paperwork? It is such a fundamental part of his job. And why would the doctor/team assume that the TUE would automatically be accepted, TUEs can and do get rejected, so if that happened Yates wouldn't have been able to legally take it. So the doctor gave it to him without confirmation that it would be allowed.

And then there is the fact that there isn't a single mention of him having asthma anywhere, prior to this positive test. Again fishy......

On top of this there is the fact that he has never had a TUE for this medication before. Surely if he was using this for his asthma then he would be using it regularly no?

His excuse doesn't add up for me

casion3

MPFGLB wrote: »

As fro all these sports people having asthma ..I thought being a top athlete meant your were fitter and thus healthier than the general population

Fitter yes, healthier not necessarily.
1 in 12 of population suffers some form of asthma. Assume the same for population of elite athlete's.
I remember play ball yrs ago and the best player was asthmatic, went on to intercounty.

Would think more athletes would show symptoms due the amount of air going through lungs, with pollution etc, would make a mild problem worse.

Ronan o gara is asthmatic,. I'm sure plenty more in other sports.
TUE.and drug forms are a mind field, and let's face it the real dopers won't be caught in the tests

Kurtosis

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

On top of this there is the fact that he has never had a TUE for this medication before. Surely if he was using this for his asthma then he would be using it regularly no?

The other common drug in the same family as terbutaline is salbutamol (i.e. Ventolin) which doesn't require a TUE, so he may have been using that previously.

CramCycle

The reason it requires a TUE is more to do with it being hard to distinguish between an oral dose and an inhaler, whereas the others (without TUE) are easy to distinguish AFAIK

Eamonnator

Interesting article in Cycling Tips.
Interview by Shane Stokes with Dr. Conor McGrane,"a physician and cyclist well known for his strong anti doping stance", who gives his thoughts on the topic, being discussed in this thread.

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/cycling-federation-doctor-nothing-surprising-about-prevalence-of-asthma-amongst-pro-riders/