JNLR April 2015 to March 2016

chilloutrelax

JNLR book due tomorrow. All will be number one!

Who to watch?

98fm in general
2fm
Red v 96 in cork

Declan A Walsh

Another one to watch: TXFM.

bbability

Declan A Walsh wrote: »

Another one to watch: TXFM.

I wonder has RTE R NA G got more listeners

Sunshine is the one to watch. Got a nice sound to it now. Hearing it more and more around the place

L1011

Any bounce from new TXFM listeners / people who would say they listen now that its going will be massively diluted by three quarters of very little.

Sunshine's "nice sound" is so far out of the terms of their licence that more listeners is only going to bring a bigger spotlight on to it!

ford fiesta

bbability wrote: »

Sunshine is the one to watch. Got a nice sound to it now. Hearing it more and more around the place

Sunshine is a nice station and is becoming popular, but their playlist needs a SERIOUS overhaul - Lionel Richie does get 'Stuck on you' after a few years.

Their entire current playlist could be wiped and a new one replaced very easily...plenty of other easy listening songs out there that work.

Also, it's live for just 9 hours a day, with 2 live presenters if I'm not mistaken.

Must be run on an absolute shoestring.

Expunge

Can you explain to me which bits are live and which aren't? Is it voice tracked the rest of the time? What about the weekends?
Are the jocks working on other stations owned by the same company?

I wear socks

Robbie Fogarty and Carol Dooley and the only presenters who are live, the rest are voicetracked and have other jobs within bay broadcasting

ford fiesta

Enda Murphy 10am to 2pm and Joe Harrington 7pm-Midnight is voicetracked. Automated until 6am.

Weekends are mostly voicetracked and automated with exception of Dublin's talking sport (2 hrs), Saturday Live with Carol Dooley (2 hrs) and Paddy Cole (2 hrs).

Not sure about Weekend breakfast shows.

Sunshine on air studios also moved up the road into Castleforbes House, from the old Phantom first floor studios red brick building (downstairs was bathroom showrooms at one stage on North Wall Quay) in the past year, so now sharing facilities with Radio Nova and 4FM, so reducing costs.

Expunge

Thanks folks. It's had a couple of very good books recently.

Could any commercial licence holder do the same and just start voicetracking to beat the band or would it have to be agreed with the BAI?

Claude Burgundy

neris wrote: »

will that new 90s station be included in it?

Be interesting to see what way Ray Darcys going

No its not a legal station.

wnolan1992

Ones I'll be interested in:

NewsTalk: They've been struggling a bit recently. Going to be interesting to see how Breakfast, Pat Kenny and Hook fare. If PK doesn't pick up some listeners, it's going to get very uncomfortable for him I'd imagine...

Today FM: Anton really needs to start gaining or stabilising. Another big drop like the last book would look very bad IMO. The rest of their daytime schedule could dip further I think...

2FM: Will we finally be able to get a picture of how well/bad Breakfast Republic is actually doing, without all the timeslot changes? I'd like to see Eoghan McDermott make some gains.

Radio 1: Ray D'Arcy obviously. I'd imagine he's still on an upswing.

Itssoeasy

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Ones I'll be interested in:

NewsTalk: They've been struggling a bit recently. Going to be interesting to see how Breakfast, Pat Kenny and Hook fare. If PK doesn't pick up some listeners, it's going to get very uncomfortable for him I'd imagine...

Today FM: Anton really needs to start gaining or stabilising. Another big drop like the last book would look very bad IMO. The rest of their daytime schedule could dip further I think...

2FM: Will we finally be able to get a picture of how well/bad Breakfast Republic is actually doing, without all the timeslot changes? I'd like to see Eoghan McDermott make some gains.

Radio 1: Ray D'Arcy obviously. I'd imagine he's still on an upswing.

I hope that 2fm do well. I think irish radio needs a strong 2fm.
Louise duffy needs to have a good book. If she drops more listeners it would be bad for her.

ofcork

Last time both red fm and 96 were claiming to be no 1 but i think 96 were including 103 figures too.

Badabing

Dempsey 180,000. Cooper 132,000

vince

ofcork wrote: »

Last time both red fm and 96 were claiming to be no 1 but i think 96 were including 103 figures too.

96fm still say pjs show is number one last book said 63000 pj 67000 for niel on redfm. This book should iron out whos number one talk show in cork its 2 years since the big change.

blue4ever

The normal outpourings here goo.gl/zGVgsC

Today and N/T had a 'difficult' book. RTE1 are relentless at this point.

2FM need a shot in the arm at this point

C

Itssoeasy

Louise Duffy down 3,000 listeners.
Alison curtis up 8,000 listeners. She must be doing something right lads.

neris

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Radio 1: Ray D'Arcy obviously. I'd imagine he's still on an upswing.

with darcys numbers id be interested to know if that includes people who dont turn the radio off after liveline but while the radio is on theyre not actually listening to rays pontificating. same could be asked of liveline after the 1oclock news

ofcork

Looks like neil p is down and pj up also they have red hits in the 96 section!!

chilloutrelax

98fm are still in trouble - their new breakfast show is at 33k - yikes! No notebale progress across the other programmes. What are they goiung to do long term?

2fm - not good also - in the horrors

Newstalk - slipage across most shows - worrying trend from them

Battle in cork is interesting - Red seem to be higher overall but station programmes are higher in 96fm

FM104 - holding steady enough - their JNLR promo is interesting taking a swipe at Spin (kids station and repeat music) and 98fm (a copycat station)

Itssoeasy

Looking at rte radio 1 and it's just a jnlr beast.

ford fiesta

RTE Radio 1 have 19 programmes in the overall Top 20 !!

Itssoeasy

ford fiesta wrote: »

RTE Radio 1 have 29 programmes in the overall Top 20 !!

How does that make any sense ?

blue4ever

Itssoeasy wrote: »

How does that make any sense ?

appealing to different demographics

wnolan1992

Thanks again iLevel!

Holy hellcats, some worrying trends.

Today FM
Really seems like they're in serious trouble. Anton's down 34,000 year on year, down about 40,000+ from D'Arcy (he was at around 220k IIRC, open to correction). D&D down again, Louise below 95k - I would not be surprised if these 3 shows aren't long for this world. Anton will probably stick around for another year, but I think the jig is up for Louise, and I'd give D&D one more book... Shame really, I like all these shows a lot, I just don't understand why they're not appealing to more people, especially given the alternatives at that time.

NewsTalk
Oh dear. This is likely to get much worse before it gets better. With Ivan departing in the summer and Hook departing in the autumn, it's going to be a rough year for NT. The Pat Kenny ploy appears to have failed. After a brief bounce, he's started tanking listeners. Breakfast dipped the last time Ivan left, so there's nothing to suggest it won't happen again...

2FM
Wow, really surprising that they're down across the board... Maybe the messing around with timeslots has been hiding the truth all along, but these figures can't be a pretty sight for Dan Healy right now.

Radio 1
Fair play. That's all I can say. I don't understand it, but fair play.

neris wrote: »

with darcys numbers id be interested to know if that includes people who dont turn the radio off after liveline but while the radio is on theyre not actually listening to rays pontificating. same could be asked of liveline after the 1oclock news

I really don't think that's relevant tbh. The JNLR asks people what shows they've listened to, if someone's saying "Ray D'Arcy", the likelihood is that they've at least listened to it in passing, even it is in the background. Even if this is the case, a further 34,000 people are leaving their radios on after Liveline than were when Mooney was hosting, so really it's a success no matter what way you look at it.

As for the Liveline argument, it gains 41,000 on News at One, so again I don't think this is a good argument.

Plus, I think trying to add layers of analysis to statistics based on hearsay is a fruitless endeavour. We've just gotta analyse what we've got.

ford fiesta

Itssoeasy wrote: »

How does that make any sense ?

meant 19 !

Itssoeasy

ford fiesta wrote: »

meant 19 !

Oh okay. I thought I was going mad.

djemba djemba

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Alison curtis up 8,000 listeners. She must be doing something right lads.

The majority of people up early on a Saturday are parents going to matches, training and other activities with their kids. So the show is perfect for the target audience.

soc160

chilloutrelax wrote: »

98fm are still in trouble - their new breakfast show is at 33k - yikes! No notebale progress across the other programmes. What are they goiung to do long term?

2fm - not good also - in the horrors

Newstalk - slipage across most shows - worrying trend from them

Battle in cork is interesting - Red seem to be higher overall but station programmes are higher in 96fm

FM104 - holding steady enough - their JNLR promo is interesting taking a swipe at Spin (kids station and repeat music) and 98fm (a copycat station)

Is 98's breakfast show not more reflective of the Ray Foleys figures. Only one quarter with the new guys? Judging by the sporadic listening I do to it, there's still teething problems between the presenters and no one knows whether it's meant to be music or talk driven. If they had 3 bad books would they scrape the show?

blue4ever

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Maybe the messing around with timeslots has been hiding the truth all along,

I think that gave them breathing space - and now the balloon is deflating!

ford fiesta

djemba djemba wrote: »

The majority of people up early on a Saturday are parents going to matches, training and other activities with their kids. So the show is perfect for the target audience.

Parents have been doing this for years on Sat mornings.

I think it's because the 2FM weekend breakfast shows have been weak since post the Liam Quigley or Dave Redmond days.

chilloutrelax

soc160 wrote: »

Is 98's breakfast show not more reflective of the Ray Foleys figures. Only one quarter with the new guys? Judging by the sporadic listening I do to it, there's still teething problems between the presenters and no one knows whether it's meant to be music or talk driven. If they had 3 bad books would they scrape the show?

These figures only cover full q1 2016, the other thre quarters are Foley. It's still a 3k drop book on book, I don't see that getting any better. The station needs full reboot at this stage.

wnolan1992

soc160 wrote: »

Is 98's breakfast show not more reflective of the Ray Foleys figures. Only one quarter with the new guys? Judging by the sporadic listening I do to it, there's still teething problems between the presenters and no one knows whether it's meant to be music or talk driven. If they had 3 bad books would they scrape the show?

This is their first book, so I wouldn't worry about it. Building off a very low base left by Ray Foley, I'd say you'll need to wait until 2017 Q1 to get any real indication of how they're doing. And probably until 2018 Q3 before they'd be in any real jeopardy.

soc160

wnolan1992 wrote: »

This is their first book, so I wouldn't worry about it. Building off a very low base left by Ray Foley, I'd say you'll need to wait until 2017 Q1 to get any real indication of how they're doing. And probably until 2018 Q3 before they'd be in any real jeopardy.

Cheers lads. Always hard to work out exactly what's what in the books. A 3 drop from 36 is just under 10% of their overall listenership so that's a bad start but these shows always swing a bit when presenters are replaced.


I think thats a very generous time span, that'll be almost what Ray had before he left. Why would 98 sit by if the next three books where similar declines? Obviously if it steadies or improves then they'll get more time based on each book. The breakfast show should be the foundation for the rest of the day so I guess keeping it and building the rest of the schedule would be logical, however if the rest of the figures reflect that across the day then you're looking at poor figures. Least Barry Dunne is keeping the afternoon steady until drive. Dublin Talks is always niche anyway and those figures are normal judging by all the books so far, having Barry on mid morning instead though might boost the whole day a bit if people don't like breakfast you might grab them back at 10!

sierraecho

wnolan1992 wrote: »

I'd like to see Eoghan McDermott make some gains.

As a listener to 2fm for most of the day I kinda hope not. Just me but I just don't like his style of presenting his show. Way too over the top.

Chris and Ciara were doing that slot a few weeks back and I must preferred them at this time but feel they'd be a bit more censored at this time.

Just seen this on RTE TEN site. Seems Dan is satisfied with the figures.
"Today FM and RTÉ 2FM are 'neck-and-neck' among adults aged 15 to 34. Dan Healy, Head of RTÉ 2FM, says he is "very satisfied" with the survey results."

IUA14

soc160 wrote: »

Cheers lads. Always hard to work out exactly what's what in the books. A 3 drop from 36 is just under 10% of their overall listenership so that's a bad start but these shows always swing a bit when presenters are replaced.


I think thats a very generous time span, that'll be almost what Ray had before he left. Why would 98 sit by if the next three books where similar declines? Obviously if it steadies or improves then they'll get more time based on each book. The breakfast show should be the foundation for the rest of the day so I guess keeping it and building the rest of the schedule would be logical, however if the rest of the figures reflect that across the day then you're looking at poor figures. Least Barry Dunne is keeping the afternoon steady until drive. Dublin Talks is always niche anyway and those figures are normal judging by all the books so far, having Barry on mid morning instead though might boost the whole day a bit if people don't like breakfast you might grab them back at 10!

I think its a bad start for the new show, and while I agree that they were starting with a very low base I think 98FM shot themselves in the foot...they kept Foley around long enough so the listeners he had would have been loyal ones who liked him and I don't think that they would necessarily like the new show. 98FM have a big big problem. Quilty on drive has worse figures than breakfast, and Dublin Talks is never going to improve beyond its current level I think its fair to say given that it seems stuck in and around the same numbers since its second book. The station is all over the place, Barry Dunne being the exception and the best show by close to 20,000 listeners now. Really don't know what they can do...

With Today FM...D&D figures are not good at all, seem to be down each book the last year and the slot down close to 35/40,000 the last 3/4 years. Louise Duffy is worrying too, her figures are far below where they need to, and should be...

2FM down across the board, I think this book is the first true reflection on how the changes are going for them...

PeterTheEighth

I dont think the JLNR is fair. How does it account for RTE's advantage:

1. RTE is part funded by the taxpayer through the license fee.
2. RTE presenters are allowed to promote their shows on RTE TV, with advertisements and casual mentions of their shows, likeTubridy's "I'll see you back on monday morning at 9am".
3. RTE has coverage of the whole country. When I'm travelling round the country, I default back to Radio One when I cant pick up Newstalk. Along the N8 is patchy.
4. RTE has the RTE Guide to promote it's own shows. A whole magazine to promote everything RTE.
5. Even the radio website ieradio.org defaults to Radio One.

L1011

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

I dont think the JLNR is fair. How does it account for RTE's advantage:

1. RTE is part funded by the taxpayer through the license fee.
2. RTE presenters are allowed to promote their shows on RTE TV, with advertisements and casual mentions of their shows, likeTubridy's "I'll see you back on monday morning at 9am".
3. RTE has coverage of the whole country. When I'm travelling round the country, I default back to Radio One when I cant pick up Newstalk. Along the N8 is patchy.
4. RTE has the RTE Guide to promote it's own shows. A whole magazine to promote everything RTE.
5. Even the radio website ieradio.org defaults to Radio One.

1: How does that impact on their listenership?

2: Doesn't seem to help much based on what their dual "stars" get. Plenty of other radio presenters work on TV also - Cooper, Cooney, Foley when he was still on radio, etc, etc.

3: There is another national broadcaster with equivalent FM coverage. There are at least two other private FM broadcasters in every area except Wicklow.

4: Any other broadcaster can start a magazine if it wants to. 96FM used to have a newspaper.

5: A website used by how many people? Did you run out of rational complaints?

Expunge

What about the decline in overall listenership?

87% of all adults listened to the radio in Quarter 4 of 2009

Today, that figure is 83% of all adults.

IN Dublin, the desertion of radio is even more dramatic, where it's now at 79%.

Still quite high compared to newspaper readership, I guess, but where are the listeners going? Digital and streaming, I suppose.
Why can't the JNLR survey give us a few pointers as the RAJAR survey in the UK does?

Synode

Seriously, can anyone tell me how these numbers are calculated i.e. what's the sample size, how is the sample approached (what time and where), what are the sample asked etc etc.

murphy01

Two questions: Why did Ray Foley leave 98fm?

and who is listening to D'Arcy??!!! I cannot abide him. He is very false and insincere; I used to try to listen to him on Today Fm but I used to always switch off in frustration at his attitude.

Expunge

The website, radiotoday.ie had this................




"A total of c16,800 people were interviewed during the survey period by Ipsos MRBI, on behalf of JNLR – Joint National Listenership Research – that is commissioned by all national, regional and local stations, BAI, AAI, and IAPI."

As far as I know, it's a face to face survey based on a diary system, asking what you listened to in blocks of quarter hours over the day.

Loughc

murphy01 wrote: »

Two questions: Why did Ray Foley leave 98fm?

His last show on 98fm was Christmas Eve 2015.

murphy01

Loughc wrote: »

His last show on 98fm was Christmas Eve 2015.

Ok did he leave on bad terms? I don't get 98FM in my area but I used to listen to him on Today FM so just curious?

L1011

murphy01 wrote: »

Ok did he leave on bad terms? I don't get 98FM in my area but I used to listen to him on Today FM so just curious?

Probably. Ratings in the toilet, contract 'extended' to bring towards the end of the year and nothing more.

IUA14

L1011 wrote: »

Probably. Ratings in the toilet, contract 'extended' to bring towards the end of the year and nothing more.

Don't think it was on bad terms since it seemed to be decided towards the end of the summer last year they would leave and he stayed on air until the end of the year, and as you mentioned they extended the contract from November to see out the year.

Basically show wasn't working. Foley not good in a horrendously tightly formatted breakfast show, for a Dublin market where he was never that strong even at Today FM, with a radio station that doesn't have a clue what is is supposed to be. And I think by the end he was probably happy to leave given what he said on air and they, as a station,were happy to try something new...which is still early days but seems to be continuing the trend of the station overall and losing listeners...

wnolan1992

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

I dont think the JLNR is fair. How does it account for RTE's advantage:

1. RTE is part funded by the taxpayer through the license fee.
2. RTE presenters are allowed to promote their shows on RTE TV, with advertisements and casual mentions of their shows, likeTubridy's "I'll see you back on monday morning at 9am".
3. RTE has coverage of the whole country. When I'm travelling round the country, I default back to Radio One when I cant pick up Newstalk. Along the N8 is patchy.
4. RTE has the RTE Guide to promote it's own shows. A whole magazine to promote everything RTE.
5. Even the radio website ieradio.org defaults to Radio One.

1. Irrelevant to listenership.

2. Today FM and NT presenters can and do promote themselves on TV3.

3. It's up to the individual stations to invest in their transmitters. If NewsTalk can't be got in a particular area and people revert to Radio 1, that's on NewsTalk.

4. Absolutely nothing stopping the other radio groups clubbing together and publishing a magazine promoting themselves. This argument is like saying "98FM bought billboards to promote Ray Foley, and FM104 didn't do that for their show, so 98 had an unfair advantage!".

5. I can honestly say I've never heard of ieradio.org, so I'm willing to guess that it's impact on the JNLR's is really minimal...

ofcork

I heard an ad on 96fm in cork today and again they are combining their figures with 103!!

chilloutrelax

ofcork wrote: »

I heard an ad on 96fm in cork today and again they are combining their figures with 103!!

Is that like FM104 and Q102 combining or 98FM and Spin1038 combining their figures...?same owners, same building, shared services and management etc

VincePP

One reason for newstalks drop is the awful over repetitive appliances direct ad. I thought it was just me switching off when i heard the advert, but found a few mates did the same (we're all auld 50+ types)

I'm now primarily radio 1 and switch to newstalk if r1 is boring - it used to be the other way round.

Declan A Walsh

chilloutrelax wrote: »

Is that like FM104 and Q102 combining or 98FM and Spin1038 combining their figures...?same owners, same building, shared services and management etc

Not quite. Those stations are separate and distinct and each came with specific licenses, despite the common ownership, etc. FM104 and Q102 did not always have the same ownership and Q102 was originally Lite FM. Spin1038 has a specific youth license, while 98FM has a more general license.

However, Cork's 96FM and 103FM are two branches of the one station.