Joshua v Breazeale 25 June

Mantis Toboggan

Anyone see much of Dominic breazeale?

Big Ears

pac_man wrote: »

I've been following his career since the Olympics. He's very average, I don't rate him at all. Fred Kassi, the guy Hughie Fury is fighting next week beat him and got robbed. I really hope that's not AJs next opponent.

TBH hopes were low for him from the start, he looked a bit pants at the Olympics and has done little to inspire since. American Heavyweight hopes rest upon the chinny banger Wilder, and while he's certainly capable of taking out almost anyone, he could easily be taken out by sub-elite opposition himself.

Mantis Toboggan

Another Joshua confirmed defence against Dominic Breazeale.

On reddit they reckon this guy is worse than Charles Martin.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Another Joshua confirmed defence against Dominic Breazeale.

On reddit they reckon this guy is worse than Charles Martin.

And probabaly PPV as well:rolleyes:

Johner

An Olympian - check
Unbeaten - check

As an opponent he's Hearns wet dream. He will be bigged up how this is a huge test for Joshua now, people will pay €22 for Joshua to KO him in 2 rounds with a ****ty under card. Rinse and repeat.

Mantis Toboggan

Murray v Groves on the under card apparently

Johner

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Murray v Groves on the under card apparently

That's a decent fight, I think Groves will win this if he uses his jab well. Murray is getting on in age now, Abraham was there for the taking in his last fight but he didn't do enough. A loss for either man and it's pretty much game over.

walshb

I see Murray-Groves as a stinker. Murray with a high guard for the night and Groves teeing off on the high guard. Every round identical to the one before!

Johner

Joshua is 1/25 to win.

Says it all.

walshb

Eddie on Sky: Groves-Murray is a huge fight. A standalone fight...... No, it's not!

X200

I'd be shocked if this went past two rounds.

HigginsJ

It's a bit of a joke that this is a PPV, would have been a good chance for Hearn to build more Joshua interest by giving this one in Sky Sports. Won't be paying for this, Groves - Murray is an ok fight but not one to get too excited by.

megadodge

HigginsJ wrote: »

It's a bit of a joke that this is a PPV, would have been a good chance for Hearn to build more Joshua interest by giving this one in Sky Sports. Won't be paying for this, Groves - Murray is an ok fight but not one to get too excited by.

I agree. He would be much better served if this was on plain old Sky Sports. More people get to see it and probably see an early KO, all of which would increase his profile even more, so when he eventually has a huge fight v (eg) Fury it will do even bigger business.

walshb

I don't have too much an issue with this defence. Big man, undefeated, and with pedigree. He's actually on the same level as Joshua as regards what both have accomplished to date. It being on PPV is laughable, but not surprising. People are buying into these 'rubbish' cards. Me? I wait a week or two and it's repeated on Sky Sports!

Morrison J

I don't know how anyone can complain about Groves-Murray tbh. It's a brilliant fight.

Bout time Hearn put on one great fight on the undercard instead of 3/4 names against ****e.

Joshua will be PPV until he loses a couple of fights. Doing numbers that no-one else can get close to.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

I don't have too much an issue with this defence. Big man, undefeated, and with pedigree. He's actually on the same level as Joshua as regards what both have accomplished to date. It being on PPV is laughable, but not surprising. People are buying into these 'rubbish' cards. Me? I wait a week or two and it's repeated on Sky Sports!

I assume you're referring to the Olympics here ?

FTA69

walshb wrote: »

I don't have too much an issue with this defence. Big man, undefeated, and with pedigree. He's actually on the same level as Joshua as regards what both have accomplished to date. It being on PPV is laughable, but not surprising. People are buying into these 'rubbish' cards. Me? I wait a week or two and it's repeated on Sky Sports!

I wouldn't even bother with that, the three minute highlight on YouTube will probably cover 60% of the fight anyway.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

I wouldn't even bother with that, the three minute highlight on YouTube will probably cover 60% of the fight anyway.

I had thought that as well.

ASOT

Breazeale should be nowhere near Joshua, he was getting hammered In his last fight and only got the w because Mansour nearly bit his own tongue off and couldn't continue, it'll be over in about 60 seconds.

Mantis Toboggan

pac_man wrote: »

I've been following his career since the Olympics. He's very average, I don't rate him at all. Fred Kassi, the guy Hughie Fury is fighting next week beat him and got robbed. I really hope that's not AJs next opponent.

Interesting to see how Hughie Fury gets on this weekend then, big step up

barney4001

I could pick a better opponent for joshua in my local bar,where the hell do they get them from

X200

I bought the Whyte fight and I was glad I did, thoroughly enjoyed it. Bought the Martin fight and it was a shít show. Not a hope that I'm gonna buy this, regardless of undercard.

walshb

For me Joshua just isn't PPV yet. Two-three things for PPV: Personality-charisma and appeal, talent-excitement in the ring, accomplishments to date. He has not ticked any boxes definitively yet.

He's not a character with appeal. His personality is nothing of note. He's somewhat understated and boring. That's not a criticism, just an observation. You wouldn't pay to have a chat with him, or even tune in to listen to him speak.

His talents and excitement in the ring aren't anything to get excited about. Quite a stiff and predictable boxer.

And his accomplishments to date aren't really worth mentioning.

Compare him to Fury and it is Fury who is more PPV worthy. Fury ticks at least one box. He has character and charisma.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

For me Joshua just isn't PPV yet. Two-three things for PPV: Personality-charisma and appeal, talent-excitement in the ring, accomplishments to date. He has not ticked any boxes definitively yet.

He's not a character with appeal. His personality is nothing of note. He's somewhat understated and boring. That's not a criticism, just an observation. You wouldn't pay to have a chat with him, or even tune in to listen to him speak.

His talents and excitement in the ring aren't anything to get excited about. Quite a stiff and predictable boxer.

And his accomplishments to date aren't really worth mentioning.

Compare him to Fury and it is Fury who is more PPV worthy. Fury ticks at least one box. He has character and charisma.

Honestly, do you not find Joshua exciting to watch?

He's all about KO's. He goes for the KO every fight and that to me is excitement! Especially after 10-15 years of Vladimir!

Who knows, somewhere down the line his desire for a KO could see him get KO'd himself - but that's also exciting.

badabing106

walshb wrote: »

For me Joshua just isn't PPV yet. Two-three things for PPV: Personality-charisma and appeal, talent-excitement in the ring, accomplishments to date. He has not ticked any boxes definitively yet.

He's not a character with appeal. His personality is nothing of note. He's somewhat understated and boring. That's not a criticism, just an observation. You wouldn't pay to have a chat with him, or even tune in to listen to him speak.

His talents and excitement in the ring aren't anything to get excited about. Quite a stiff and predictable boxer.

And his accomplishments to date aren't really worth mentioning.

Compare him to Fury and it is Fury who is more PPV worthy. Fury ticks at least one box. He has character and charisma.

Furys character/charisma is second to none. The reason he is not the darling of sky sports is because he is a free spirit who speaks his mind. He is not coached by media people to walk the line.

Edit : Forgot the appeal part of thePersonality-charisma and appeal .Yes he will never appeal to the wider public, because of his background. Which is a shame

Fury has a flawless unbeaten career and beat the most dominant champion of modern times to earn all the belts. He didn't even have to go into third gear,he was on cruise control. his acomplishments are second to none. If joshua had of done that, he would have been bbc sport personality of the year

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Honestly, do you not find Joshua exciting to watch?

He's all about KO's. He goes for the KO every fight and that to me is excitement! Especially after 10-15 years of Vladimir!

Who knows, somewhere down the line his desire for a KO could see him get KO'd himself - but that's also exciting.

His style and delivery in the ring doesn't excite me. Robotic and stiff and a bit predictable. Of course, talented and effective, just doesn't come close to wowing or exciting me.

Mantis Toboggan

Joshua is one of the biggest sports stars in England right now.

Himself and Eddie Hearn have built up a huge fan Base, he has all the casuals supporting him. They're doing huge numbers in the UK so it's not surprising that it's ppv. He's got great power and is knocking plenty of cans over.

Joshua's earnings is due to go over 15 million pound for the last 12 months alone, would be crazy not to be ppv imo. Not a chance I'll be buying it but I'm sure the casuals will lap it up.

badabing106

He is a great brand for Great britain, Olympic champion, Media trained, Loves his Mum and the Queen ,Has a Great body. Plus he is obviously very talented. He may be worth the Hype

Mantis Toboggan

badabing106 wrote: »

He is a great brand for Great britain, Olympic champion, Media trained, Loves his Mum and the Queen ,Has a Great body. Plus he is obviously very talented. He may be worth the Hype

Convicted drug dealer doesn't have the same ring to it.

Fair play to him though, turned his life around and is now made for life.

Joe Musashi

badabing106 wrote: »

He is a great brand for Great britain, Olympic champion, Media trained, Loves his Mum and the Queen ,Has a Great body. Plus he is obviously very talented. He may be worth the Hype

Not as handsome as David Haye though.

mansize

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anthony-joshua-the-fifth-most-marketable-athlete-on-the-planet/

He's way more handsome than David Haye

Andre 3000

That list is a complete joke.

walshb

Andre 3000 wrote: »

That list is a complete joke.

Agreed. I see nothing in Joshua to suggest anything of a wow factor. I gues it's just the realities of modern life, where anyone and everyone can become marketable and famous. Socia media make it possible. That, and a hard neck!

Mantis Toboggan

pac_man wrote: »

As much as I'm not AJ's biggest fan , I don't know how you don't get the wow factor. He knocks people out, Olympic champion, chiselled like a Greek god and talks the talk in which the general public will lap up. Apparently he's learning Spanish for his American début to attract the Mexican fans. He's a marketeers wetdream.

When's his American debut didn't see anything mentioned? Can't see him leaving the UK

Andre 3000

It's not necessarily Joshua that makes the list a joke, but half of those people on it should be nowhere near the top 50 in reality. Paul Pogba is far from the most marketable soccer player around, likewise with Curry and basketball. And odds are most people have never heard of Kohli, Nishikori, Shiffrin and Ko (have never heard of 3 of them myself) and perhaps even Missy Franklin. Nonetheless they should be nowhere near a top 10. You've McGregor at 11 when in reality he's a top 5 guy if we're considering potential and blasts Joshua completely out of the water. It's more of a hipster "I know lots of athletes, especially from obscure sports" kind of list than an actual translation of reality tbh...

Morrison J

If you read the article behind the list its the athletes which give you the most value for money as a marketer. All makes sense to me apart from Pogba tbh who even though he's young is never gonna be that big a name imo. Curry by far the most marketable basketball player already which is a sport played on every continent. Same with golf and Spieth.

Then you've got the biggest population in Asia and two top 5 sports globally in tennis and cricket. So the likes of Kohli and Nishikori make sense too.

Global sport in boxing + young Olympic gold medalist + heavyweight division all ads up to make Joshua extremely marketable too.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

As much as I'm not AJ's biggest fan , I don't know how you don't get the wow factor. He knocks people out, Olympic champion, chiselled like a Greek god and talks the talk in which the general public will lap up. Apparently he's learning Spanish for his American début to attract the Mexican fans. He's a marketeers wetdream.

I said it before. His style is not wow. He is knocking out nobodies. Very stiff, robotic and predictable. Absolutely effective and talented. Wow? Not a hope. Mike Tyson was wow!

As for AJs personality? What personality? He's as dull as dishwater.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

I said it before. His style is not wow. He is knocking out nobodies. Very stiff, robotic and predictable. Absolutely effective and talented. Wow? Not a hope. Mike Tyson was wow!

As for AJs personality? What personality? He's as dull as dishwater.

He knocks people out!

In boxing that's huge and for you of all people to come out and say what you're saying is just..... well, typical you.

You never stop harping on about power, in virtually every discussion on every boxer, but now you're saying you don't see what the fuss is about possibly the biggest puncher in the whole of boxing?

At this stage your act is wearing thin.

Andre 3000

Is Joshua a massive puncher though? As in is his one punch KO power that great? Correct me if I am wrong but a lot of his stoppages are ref stoppages and things like that rather than a proper knockout. In terms of devastating KO's and KO power he falls behind the likes of Kovalev, Beterbiev, Golovkin, Wilder, Matthysse among others in my opinion.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

He knocks people out!

In boxing that's huge and for you of all people to come out and say what you're saying is just..... well, typical you.

You never stop harping on about power, in virtually every discussion on every boxer, but now you're saying you don't see what the fuss is about possibly the biggest puncher in the whole of boxing?

At this stage your act is wearing thin.

And your act isn't wearing thin it seems.Like always, failing to interpret simplicity. I am speaking abut his style. It does not wow me. His power is separate. Style wise he's far from wow. Stand up, stiff, robotic. Yes, heavy hands and an appetite to finish opponents. Talented, no doubt, but not near wow for me. You really need to read and digest properly before replying. You keep putting your foot in it.

walshb

Both Klits are power hitters with huge KO records over many years. Are they also wow? Not for me. Effective? Yes!

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

Agreed. I see nothing in Joshua to suggest anything of a wow factor. I gues it's just the realities of modern life, where anyone and everyone can become marketable and famous. Socia media make it possible. That, and a hard neck!

That was your original quote.

Kinda hard to misinterpret that!

You don't understand what the fuss is about, sign of the times, yadda yadda yadda. Nothing there about style.

Whether you like his upright style or not (why anybody 6'6" would want to fight small I don't know) is irrelevant, the discussion is his potential to become a global superstar and if you state you can't see how that's a possiblity it would lead me to think you're only arguing for the sake of it - something you have a history of.

megadodge

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Is Joshua a massive puncher though? As in is his one punch KO power that great? Correct me if I am wrong but a lot of his stoppages are ref stoppages and things like that rather than a proper knockout. In terms of devastating KO's and KO power he falls behind the likes of Kovalev, Beterbiev, Golovkin, Wilder, Matthysse among others in my opinion.

I didn't mean pound-for-pound, I meant actual biggest puncher.

Even the biggest punchers don't have many clean KOs as referees usually step in when it's obvious the end is close, or they're in no position to continue after a knockdown. The 'old days' refs were much slower to stop, hence many defenceless boxers getting clean KO'd.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

That was your original quote.

Kinda hard to misinterpret that!

You don't understand what the fuss is about, sign of the times, yadda yadda yadda. Nothing there about style.

Whether you like his upright style or not (why anybody 6'6" would want to fight small I don't know) is irrelevant, the discussion is his potential to become a global superstar and if you state you can't see how that's a possiblity it would lead me to think you're only arguing for the sake of it - something you have a history of.

And nothing about power either. You did not quote this in your previous post. Now you are backtracking looking at other posts of mine. It's very simple. Joshua IMO is not a wow kind of fighter. I don't get the huge fuss about him, and as regards global marketability, well, I can't see it. In today's shallow world it's not surprising. So, style wise and personality wise he's not near my definition of wow.

nacho libre

megadodge wrote: »

He knocks people out!

In boxing that's huge and for you of all people to come out and say what you're saying is just..... well, typical you.

You never stop harping on about power, in virtually every discussion on every boxer, but now you're saying you don't see what the fuss is about possibly the biggest puncher in the whole of boxing?

At this stage your act is wearing thin.

I would argue Wilder punches harder and so did some past heavyweights. Joshua will have his first real test against Parker. We will see if he is the real deal then. If Parker manages to hurt Joshua, like Whyte did, i think with his better boxing ability he will finish off Joshua

Johner

I think Joshua will KO Parker, his defence is terrible.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

I think Joshua will KO Parker, his defence is terrible.

Agreed. Joshua will find the chin easily enough.

mansize

pac_man wrote: »

We're talking about marketability here. I agree that he can be pretty stiff but
the general public are more concerned about knockouts than styles.

His personality is bland and choreographed but unlike Tyson Fury, he doesn't really insult anyone which appeals to sponsors and the mass market alike.

It's a sad indictment that Fury and Klitckcko can't sell out a fight but a (1/50 fav) in Joshua is able to sell an ordinary defence in minutes.

Did you not see the last Fury Klitchko fight- it was dreadful

mansize

pac_man wrote: »

It wasn't great but it's still a fight that should sell out. Wlads style still hasn't stopped him packing out arenas.

In Germany - when he was champion

nacho libre

pac_man wrote: »

On what basis does Wilder punch harder than Joshua?

If he hits you clean the fight is over with one punch, of course you can say the same for Joshua, but Wilder seem to knock opponents out clean with one or two shots, thats not always the way with Joshua. My thinking will be proved wrong, if Joshua were to stop Stiverne.

megadodge

nacho libre wrote: »

If he hits you clean the fight is over with one punch, of course you can say the same for Joshua, but Wilder seem to knock opponents out clean with one or two shots, thats not always the way with Joshua. My thinking will be proved wrong, if Joshua were to stop Stiverne.

You have to remember how utterly atrocious the vast majority of Wilder's opposition has been though. Stiverne is the only half-decent foe he's met and he just jabbed and moved for the whole 12 rounds there.