what happens if i spray without a licience ????

roosky

Hi all,

Was spraying for a neighbour today with my certified sprayer and full licience !

He asked if he sprayed with his old sprayer and no licience how would he get caught and if he did how would he be penalised .......


Does anyone know anymore than hearsay because thats all i cant get hold of.

Thanks in advance

johnny122

roosky wrote: »

Hi all,

Was spraying for a neighbour today with my certified sprayer and full licience !

He asked if he sprayed with his old sprayer and no licience how would he get caught and if he did how would he be penalised .......


Does anyone know anymore than hearsay because thats all i cant get hold of.

Thanks in advance

5 penalty points I'd say and dearer insurance next yr

roosky

johnny122 wrote:

5 penalty points I'd say and dearer insurance next yr

johnny122 wrote:

5 penalty points I'd say and dearer insurance next yr

As well as hearsay.....dry wit is also pointless 😆

greenpetrol

roosky wrote: »

Hi all,

Was spraying for a neighbour today with my certified sprayer and full licience !

He asked if he sprayed with his old sprayer and no licience how would he get caught and if he did how would he be penalised .......


Does anyone know anymore than hearsay because thats all i cant get hold of.

Thanks in advance

I understand the license is needed to acquire the chemical ! I doubt you would be asked to produce your spray licence in the middle of your paddock ! But stranger things have happened

roosky

greenpetrol wrote:

I understand the license is needed to acquire the chemical ! I doubt you would be asked to produce your spray licence in the middle of your paddock ! But stranger things have happened

No anyone can buy it you just cant spray without the licience

mickdw

roosky wrote: »

No anyone can buy it you just cant spray without the licience

I certainly believed up to now that you couldn't buy the stuff without the licence.
I don't see how else this can be controlled.

rangler1

roosky wrote: »

No anyone can buy it you just cant spray without the licience

It'd only affect you if you or your neighbour had a cross compliance inspection.
Eventually i think you won;t be able to buy much without a license

foxy farmer

roosky wrote: »

No anyone can buy it you just cant spray without the licience

More bureaucratic BS. Its the chemical ingredients are the danger and not the operator and the machine. Give it time and you'll need a licence for fertiliser too.

Base price

Was talking to a few lads from Kildare (work related) and they said that their local co-op will not sell sprays to anyone who does not have a licence/cert.
Also ye have to be registered with the Dept and they require every trained operator to maintain a record of purchases, usage etc.

Kovu

I was of the same opinion as above- that you had to give either your license no or herd no when purchasing.
Seems that you have to have done the course before spraying though, unless the rules have changed since May last year.
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/great-guide-to-new-rules-around-using-pesticides/

A farmer can buy pesticides after November 26, 2015 but cannot apply the spray with their own sprayer unless they have completed the following:

*Registered with the DAFM (See below) as a professional user; and
*Have completed the Pesticide Application module as part of a Teagasc (FETAC level 5 or 6) course will meet the requirements for professional user training (or equivalent).

Can an individual who is not registered as a Professional User buy pesticides authorised for professional use?

Individuals who are not registered as a professional user can buy pesticides authorised for professional use but these pesticides must be applied by a registered professional user or a person operating under the direct supervision of a registered professional user.
There is a requirement to keep appropriate records with details of the registered professional user who applied the pesticides.

Note: When purchasing pesticides for professional use, retailers will request the Herd No/Flock No. or Professional User No. of the purchaser (when available) from January 1, 2014. This record must be kept by the retailer for five years and made available to an authorised DAFM person upon request.

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

Was talking to a few lads from Kildare (work related) and they said that their local co-op will not sell sprays to anyone who does not have a licence/cert.
Also ye have to be registered with the Dept and they require every trained operator to maintain a record of purchases, usage etc.

have to have it for the knapsack sprayer as well so you might as well do the course

Sheep Lover

Only right to have it regulated, can't be having just any Tom Dick or Harry spraying chemicals all over the country.

croot

I have done the course and what we were told is anyone can buy the chemical. Your name is recorded and that is available to dept of ag. If you are inspected and the chemical is gone but you don't have the licence and no record of a contractor putting it out for you then you could loose 10% of your payments. Apparently same applies if you have chemicals on your farm without a valid pcs number.

rangler1

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Only right to have it regulated, can't be having just any Tom Dick or Harry spraying chemicals all over the country.

That's just the point, you'll still be able to buy small amounts for a garden etc, so the people that know least about pesticides won't be regulated

Muckit

rangler1 wrote: »

That's just the point, you'll still be able to buy small amounts for a garden etc, so the people that know least about pesticides won't be regulated

Hopefully it'll cut down on all the burnt yellow patches outside everyone's front gate. How anyone thinks it looks good is beyond me

_Brian

Muckit wrote: »

Hopefully it'll cut down on all the burnt yellow patches outside everyone's front gate. How anyone thinks it looks good is beyond me

I don't think it will. There are still loads of stuff listed as amature and so can be bought/applied without liscence.
Last time I checked the register none of the Gallup products listed were "professional" and so could be purchased and applied by anyone anywhere.

Sam Kade

foxy farmer wrote: »

More bureaucratic BS. Its the chemical ingredients are the danger and not the operator and the machine. Give it time and you'll need a licence for fertiliser too.

And probably a safety course to boil the kettle.

Sam Kade

Base price wrote: »

Was talking to a few lads from Kildare (work related) and they said that their local co-op will not sell sprays to anyone who does not have a licence/cert.
Also ye have to be registered with the Dept and they require every trained operator to maintain a record of purchases, usage etc.

What's stopping a person with a licence buying spray for a man with no lience? A bit like the youngsters with fags and drink.

_Brian

Sam Kade wrote: »

What's stopping a person with a licence buying spray for a man with no lience? A bit like the youngsters with fags and drink.

The dept can get his name from supplier and know what he bought. He will need to have records of where he sprayed all the chemical.
But I'd say there is nothing stopping him from handing it over and just recording he sprayed it for his neighbour.

Base price

rangler1 wrote: »

have to have it for the knapsack sprayer as well so you might as well do the course

I completed the hand held applicator course.

_Brian

Base price wrote: »

I completed the hand held applicator course.

plan to do same at some stage..

Bullocks

Muckit wrote: »

Hopefully it'll cut down on all the burnt yellow patches outside everyone's front gate. How anyone thinks it looks good is beyond me

On the course we did the yer man reckoned the stuff that can be bought over the counter will keep getting watered down until eventually it wont be worth using

rangler1

Muckit wrote: »

Hopefully it'll cut down on all the burnt yellow patches outside everyone's front gate. How anyone thinks it looks good is beyond me

An outfarm has a neighbour that persists in spraying a 100 yds of my hedge and instead of grass there's a fine cop of nettles and cleavers on the bank and the cleavers strangling the ditch.
Have told him twice either to strim it or leave it alone but he's too thick I'm afraid
I was going to spray his griselina hedge to get the messsage across, see if he still thinks that cleavers and nettles are environmentally friendly :rolleyes:

Sam Kade

Bullocks wrote: »

On the course we did the yer man reckoned the stuff that can be bought over the counter will keep getting watered down until eventually it wont be worth using

Just goes to show that the jokers giving the courses haven't a clue.

Donegalforever

My information is that you will NOT be asked to produce a Licence when buying the Spraying "stuff".
What happens is that a record is kept by your Co-Op or other supplier of your name, address and Herd Number.
The supplier may have to produce details of who they have sold the relevant products to, which then leave you in the position that you may have to provide the name of the person who carried out the spraying.
If the person who carried out the spraying did not complete (and pass) a Spraying Course and does not have a licence, then the trouble will likely begin.
There also has to be a record kept of where the spraying was carried out. The actual field or fields must be recorded.
Big Brother is indeed busy as per instructed by the EU.

tractorporn

Sam Kade wrote:

Just goes to show that the jokers giving the courses haven't a clue.

No way stuff for use in gardens getting less and less potent by the year as more and more stuff gets put on prohibited lists. Just ask anyone about Hytrol a few years ago it was brilliant but the new stuff is pure dirt. Where I used to work stocked it and even the reps advised using different products.

Base price

Donegalforever wrote: »

My information is that you will NOT be asked to produce a Licence when buying the Spraying "stuff".
What happens is that a record is kept by your Co-Op or other supplier of your name, address and Herd Number.
The supplier may have to produce details of who they have sold the relevant products to, which then leave you in the position that you may have to provide the name of the person who carried out the spraying.
If the person who carried out the spraying did not complete (and pass) a Spraying Course and does not have a licence, then the trouble will likely begin.
There also has to be a record kept of where the spraying was carried out. The actual field or fields must be recorded.
Big Brother is indeed busy as per instructed by the EU.

My information is that a "distributor" is :
Distributor


6. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), a distributor or a person trained to act as a distributor shall—


(a) be entered in the Register,


(b) hold a certificate confirming that—


(i) the distributor, or


(ii) the person trained to act as a distributor,


has been trained to a standard determined by the Minister in the subjects listed in Annex I of the Directive,


(c) comply with any additional training requirements as determined by the Minister,


(d) sell pesticides approved for professional use only, to a person whom the distributor or person trained as a distributor is satisfied is a professional user, and


(e) in the case of a distributor, have available, at the time of sale a person trained to act as a distributor to provide information to customers regarding the risks for health and the environment of pesticide use, in particular on hazards, exposure, proper storage, handling, application, safe disposal and low risk alternatives.
The relevant words are "professional user" and the relative legislation.

roosky

So what then happens if you have a licience to spray but your using a quad sprayer and its not up to the spec of a certified tractor sprayey

Jimmy Garlic

Nothing happens. Spray away.

Base price

roosky wrote: »

So what then happens if you have a licience to spray but your using a quad sprayer and its not up to the spec of a certified tractor sprayey

On my and OH's farms I will be using a hand held manual pump applicator (knapsack) around the yards and will also be using a mechanical pump applicator via the pto of my vintage IH454 for larger areas. From my understanding of the legislation as long as I calibrate and record my spray width, nozzle output and volume of chemical used per hectare then I'm covered.
Stand corrected though.

Nekarsulm

roosky wrote: »

So what then happens if you have a licience to spray but your using a quad sprayer and its not up to the spec of a certified tractor sprayey

No sprayer HAS to be tested and certified untill November 2016, so who is to say if it's "up to spec." or not?

bogman_bass

You have to go to Room 101 for reeducation. You will sit in the RED chair