Pet dog kills 3 day old in California

Boardz Fiend

Desperately sad news at the loss of such a young life.
Police are treating it as a tragic accident!! Seriously?? in my opinion allowing a pitbull type breed into bed with your 3 year old constitutes both stupidity and child abuse, any resulting injury or harm is not an accident.

"A San Diego couple were lying in bed with their infant boy and dog when the dog was startled and bit the child to death, police said.

"The parents were watching television at the time with their child and American Staffordshire terrier-Great Dane mix, said Sergeant Tu Nguyen of the San Diego police child abuse unit.

"The mom coughed unexpectedly and it startled the dog, which bit the baby, causing traumatic injury," said Sgt Nguyen, whose unit is called in to investigate the death of any child.

"The parents were able to separate the dog from the baby and they rushed him to the hospital but they were not able to save him," he said.

Police called the death a "tragic accident".
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0423/783748-california-dog-attack/

Mod-Added source and update the age from 3 year old to 3 day old.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Why don't they bring in pet control, since pets clearly kill people.

Mena

Thought it was a 3 day old. Tragic either way.

Head in hands stuff.

A baby left near a dog like that. Just...insane.

Sheep Lover

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Head in hands stuff.

A baby left near a dog like that. Just...insane.

"Oh, but my Spot would never do that, he's one of the family and I'd actually trust him more than most humans"

This is the problem with some pet owners, no matter how much you think your dog is an extension of your family, it still has the potential to be dangerous. Dogs are still animals. People forget this.

super_furry

Appalling parenting to have a child in the company of a dog like that.

eurokev

It was a 3 DAY old baby boy

Fr_Dougal

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Desperately sad news at the loss of such a young life.
Police are treating it as a tragic accident!! Seriously?? in my opinion allowing a pitbull type breed into bed with your 3 year old constitutes both stupidity and child abuse, any resulting injury or harm is not an accident.

"A San Diego couple were lying in bed with their infant boy and dog when the dog was startled and bit the child to death, police said.

"The parents were watching television at the time with their child and American Staffordshire terrier-Great Dane mix, said Sergeant Tu Nguyen of the San Diego police child abuse unit.

"The mom coughed unexpectedly and it startled the dog, which bit the baby, causing traumatic injury," said Sgt Nguyen, whose unit is called in to investigate the death of any child.

"The parents were able to separate the dog from the baby and they rushed him to the hospital but they were not able to save him," he said.

Police called the death a "tragic accident".

Bet you don't know a whole lot about dog breeds.

Cee-Jay-Cee

eurokev wrote: »

It was a 3 DAY old baby boy

Oh dear god, what sort of retarded arseholes allow a dog like that anywhere near a newborn!

Apart from the fact the child is so little and fragile, dogs no matter how well washed they may be, carry germs and all sorts of bacteria that could be harmful to a baby.

The parents are fully responsible for their own child's death, they'll live with that guilt for the rest of their lives but in my opinion that's not punishment enough for their reckless behaviour.

The King of Moo

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Desperately sad news at the loss of such a young life.
Police are treating it as a tragic accident!! Seriously?? in my opinion allowing a pitbull type breed into bed with your 3 year old constitutes both stupidity and child abuse, any resulting injury or harm is not an accident.

"A San Diego couple were lying in bed with their infant boy and dog when the dog was startled and bit the child to death, police said.

"The parents were watching television at the time with their child and American Staffordshire terrier-Great Dane mix, said Sergeant Tu Nguyen of the San Diego police child abuse unit.

"The mom coughed unexpectedly and it startled the dog, which bit the baby, causing traumatic injury," said Sgt Nguyen, whose unit is called in to investigate the death of any child.

"The parents were able to separate the dog from the baby and they rushed him to the hospital but they were not able to save him," he said.

Police called the death a "tragic accident".

A 3-day old child baby shouldn't be left in such close proximity to any breed of dog. They'd all be capable of killing a baby.

I have to wonder about how well-treated this dog was if it got so startled by a cough and reacted like that.

irishgirl19

Very very sad but the baby was 3 days old and they had the dog on the bed with them. A stupid mistake but one unfortunately they will have to live with.
RIP

Sonics2k

I like that so many people are leaping in to complain about the dog killing a 3 day old child, when the responsibility is purely with the parents.

Doesn't matter if it was a pitbull, jack russell, corgi or even a damned Chihuahua, it was simply bad parenting to have it sleeping with a child.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Sonics2k wrote: »

I like that so many people are leaping in to complain about the dog killing a 3 day old child, when the responsibility is purely with the parents.

Doesn't matter if it was a pitbull, jack russell, corgi or even a damned Chihuahua, it was simply bad parenting to have it sleeping with a child.

What thread are you reading??? No one has made it about the dog. Everyone is blaming the parents and rightly so!!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

It's not the dog it's the owners.

Armchair Andy

Has the dog been put down?

TG1

So so tragic, but why would anyone think its ok to have a dog in bed with a 3 day old baby? How did that not seem like a bad idea?

fatknacker

Why do people have dogs in bed...they tread on sh1te and piss all day. Minging

Fr_Dougal

Just read the article, it was a 3 DAY old baby.

Parents completely at fault here, can't blame the dog. Tragic accident.

henryporter

Obviously the couple never heeded this advice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSPJCEeRX0

Boardz Fiend

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Bet you don't know a whole lot about dog breeds.

Thats a stupid assumption. I have grown up with Mastiffs, Wolfhounds, Spaniels. My old man trains gun dogs and my uncle trains police dogs. To be clear, I personally wouldnt let ANY dog have such access to a child.
So this is where you tell me you own a pitbull or similar breed and how in the right hands the breed is harmless. Let me point out that the pitbull is in the top 4 breeds for it bite force which is around 230 pounds of pressure... so there is no question that a pitbull poses greater risk, it can cause devastating injuries compared with other dogs.

jonon9

It was a terrible event to happen and no one came out winning, Maybe the parents wanted their child and dog to bond, created a happy family you know things like that but an accident did happen but having a dog on the bed and calling it child abuse is just silly small minded thinking.

jonon9

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Thats a stupid assumption. I have grown up with Mastiffs, Wolfhounds, Spaniels. My old man trains gun dogs and my uncle trains police dogs. To be clear, I personally wouldnt let ANY dog have such access to a child.
So this is where you tell me you own a pitbull or similar breed and how in the right hands the breed is harmless. Let me point out that the pitbull is in the top 4 breeds for it bite force which is around 230 pounds of pressure... so there is no question that a pitbull poses greater risk, it can cause devastating injuries compared with other dogs.

Any dog can kill a three day old child even a cat!

Fr_Dougal

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Thats a stupid assumption. I have grown up with Mastiffs, Wolfhounds, Spaniels. My old man trains gun dogs and my uncle trains police dogs. To be clear, I personally wouldnt let ANY dog have such access to a child.
So this is where you tell me you own a pitbull or similar breed and how in the right hands the breed is harmless. Let me point out that the pitbull is in the top 4 breeds for it bite force which is around 230 pounds of pressure... so there is no question that a pitbull poses greater risk, it can cause devastating injuries compared with other dogs.

Right, so you haven't grown up around pit bulls, thought as much.

German Shepherds have stronger bite force.

You mentioned pit bulls specifically in your OP, can you quote some statistics around the frequency of them biting?

Boardz Fiend

jonon9 wrote: »

Any dog can kill a three day old child even a cat!

Hence why i said "I wouldnt let ANY dog have such access to a child"

Anyway this isnt about the dog. As per OP, its about stupid parents making a stupid decision.

jonon9

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

Hence why i said "I wouldnt let ANY dog have such access to a child"

Anyway this isnt about the dog. As per OP, its about stupid parents making a stupid decision.

I see it as an unfortunate accident, they didn't know the dog would do that if they did they wouldn't have let the dog on the bed not even in the house but you seem to tar all dogs.

the_syco

"The mom coughed unexpectedly and it startled the dog, which bit the baby, causing traumatic injury," said Sgt Nguyen, whose unit is called in to investigate the death of any child.

I wonder why the dog was trained to attack should it hear such a noise?

bee06

jonon9 wrote: »

I see it as an unfortunate accident, they didn't know the dog would do that if they did they wouldn't have let the dog on the bed not even in the house but you seem to tar all dogs.

Unfortunate is a bit of an understatement. Any dog in bed with a 3 day old baby is ridiculous from a hygiene or safety perspective.

jonon9

bee06 wrote: »

Unfortunate is a bit of an understatement. Any dog in bed with a 3 day old baby is ridiculous from a hygiene or safety perspective.

All depends really.

Sheep Lover

jonon9 wrote: »

All depends really.

On what?

pickarooney

Why do we have a thread just to smugly castigate bereaved parents? It's a pretty ****ing horrible illustration of humanity all round.

jonon9

Sheep Lover wrote: »

On what?

People's hygiene standards.

Sheep Lover

jonon9 wrote: »

People's hygiene standards.

So having a three day old baby in close proximity to a dog is appropriate depending on people's hygiene standards?

Spanish Eyes

Dog was the baby before baby arrived.

Baby arrived, dog jealous, baby gone. Dog gone too now I hope.

Parents bereft. I make no judgements. Sad story, but maybe a lesson to others.

Boardz Fiend

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Right, so you haven't grown up around pit bulls, thought as much.

German Shepherds have stronger bite force.

You mentioned pit bulls specifically in your OP, can you quote some statistics around the frequency of them biting?

So this thread was intended to highlight the stupidity of the parents. However, yes I happened to mention pitbull in the OP and so I will address your points and then I'm done -

1) Correct, I have not grown up around pitbulls. You dont need to own a pitbull to form informed and sensible opinions about them
2) I would consider this a moot point. What does a German Shepherds having a stronger bite force have anything to do with this?
3) You want statistics? Ok, being a new member to boards I am not permitted to post links which is a little inconvenient so I will just list the data which can be found easily via google. ..

- Time Magazine published data from Merritt Clifton who recorded Pitbull related attacks and deaths over a 32 year period. He found that even though pitbulls accounted for only 6% of the dog population, they were responsible for 68% of attacks and 52% of deaths.

- Another report published in the April 2011 issue of Annals of Surgery found that one person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days, two people are injured by a pit bull every day, and young children are especially at risk. The report concludes that “these breeds should be regulated in the same way in which other dangerous species, such as leopards, are regulated.” That report was shared with TIME by PETA, the world’s largest animal-rights organization.

- A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.

- 1982-2014 study by Merritt Clifton: Even if the pit bull category was "split four ways," attacks by pit bulls and their closest relatives would still outnumber attacks by any other dog breed.

jonon9

Sheep Lover wrote: »

So having a three day old baby in close proximity to a dog is appropriate depending on people's hygiene standards?

Im talking about your hygiene remark, having a dog next to a baby is a different subject altogether.

jonon9

jonon9 wrote: »

I see it as an unfortunate accident, they didn't know the dog would do that if they did they wouldn't have let the dog on the bed not even in the house but you seem to tar all dogs.

Accident suggests something that happens by chance or unexpectedly.

A dog biting a child near it is surely at least reasonably foreseeable.

KERSPLAT!

Poor baby, only a few days old. I know babies and kids die all over the world every day but reading about specific cases like this and the likes of the accident in Buncrana is absolutely heartbreaking.

melissak

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Oh dear god, what sort of retarded arseholes allow a dog like that anywhere near a newborn!

Apart from the fact the child is so little and fragile, dogs no matter how well washed they may be, carry germs and all sorts of bacteria that could be harmful to a baby.

The parents are fully responsible for their own child's death, they'll live with that guilt for the rest of their lives but in my opinion that's not punishment enough for their reckless behaviour.

What punishment would you give them that could be worse?

Discodog

The dog could of just as easily suffocated the baby by accident such as laying on it. Children should never be left with dogs because you can't trust the child. As for the rubbish about bite pressures etc any dog can inflict serious injuries. A family Labrador could do just as much damage.

There is a lot of good advice about preparing a dog for the arrival of a new baby. Unfortunately the arrival of a baby is one of the reasons why people get rid of dogs.

screamer

Discodog wrote: »

The dog could of just as easily suffocated the baby by accident such as laying on it. Children should never be left with dogs because you can't trust the child. .

More like can't trust the dog....

freedominacup

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

So this thread was intended to highlight the stupidity of the parents. However, yes I happened to mention pitbull in the OP and so I will address your points and then I'm done -

1) Correct, I have not grown up around pitbulls. You dont need to own a pitbull to form informed and sensible opinions about them
2) I would consider this a moot point. What does a German Shepherds having a stronger bite force have anything to do with this?
3) You want statistics? Ok, being a new member to boards I am not permitted to post links which is a little inconvenient so I will just list the data which can be found easily via google. ..

- Time Magazine published data from Merritt Clifton who recorded Pitbull related attacks and deaths over a 32 year period. He found that even though pitbulls accounted for only 6% of the dog population, they were responsible for 68% of attacks and 52% of deaths.

- Another report published in the April 2011 issue of Annals of Surgery found that one person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days, two people are injured by a pit bull every day, and young children are especially at risk. The report concludes that “these breeds should be regulated in the same way in which other dangerous species, such as leopards, are regulated.” That report was shared with TIME by PETA, the world’s largest animal-rights organization.

- A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.

- 1982-2014 study by Merritt Clifton: Even if the pit bull category was "split four ways," attacks by pit bulls and their closest relatives would still outnumber attacks by any other dog breed.

Hey this is afterhours. Where do you think you're going with well reasoned arguments backed up by peer reviewed research? We'll be having none of that in here.

Boardz Fiend

freedominacup wrote: »

Hey this is afterhours. Where do you think you're going with well reasoned arguments backed up by peer reviewed research? We'll be having none of that in here.

Pmsl :-) :-)

screamer

screamer wrote: »

More like can't trust the dog....

As neither can articulate their reasons for doing anything, our understanding of what a baby or a dog can do has certain restrictions. Either or both could do something that the parents may almost certainly not have intended...but again they should have reasonably foreseen that there was the possibility of something serious happening.

Discodog

screamer wrote: »

More like can't trust the dog....

Well some people would believe that & they won't change their minds. Most dogs live in a strange World where they understand us but we don't understand them. My parents taught me, from a very early age, how to behave around dogs.

A survey done by a Vet revealed the terrifying fact that most young children, when shown a photo of a snarling dog, thought that it was smiling. If we allocated two hours for dog behaviour education in our primary schools we could avoid hundreds of injuries.

esforum

3 days old, Jesus.

Someone above said it already but NO dog can be trusted 100%, none. Doesnt matter about breed, size, age or how long they have been a part of your family.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I bring my dogs out a lot for walks/to the park and the amount of parents that will lead their child over to the dogs, and let the kid be all up in the dogs space.
Now, I trust my dogs to the end of the earth. I love my dogs to pieces. If I was living on my last few euro I'd make sure they were fed before myself or my partner. But - I can't read their minds. I don't know if they're feeling threathened or feeling scared. I don't know how they'll act around a stranger, much less a noisey hyper little stranger and God forbid they did bite a child. I'd be guilty forever. But parents don't like being told their kids can't touch the dogs, or to leave the dogs alone. Sometimes it feels I'm responsible for keeping my dogs calm and not stressed out, and keeping strange kids safe when their own parents don't seem too bothered.

I wonder what sort of life the dog in the OP had if the sound of someone suddenly coughing made him go on the offensive straight away? It's unusual. And although staffies look fierce if they're socialised and treated with respect they're actually a very placid and kind dog.

I know my two, if they got into bed, you'd need a foghorn to wake them up, never mind a cough. The owners of the dog possibly rehomed him/rescued him from an abusive situation or they weren't the most responsible dog owners out there.

The poor baby, the child didn't stand a chance. I think a lot of people who own those ferocious looking dogs are doing it for their reputation and have no idea how to look after the dog properly. Having the previous baby of the house in such close proximity to the new baby of the house, a newborn baby, is reckless to say the least. The parents have to live with that. Is that punishment enough?

melissak

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I bring my dogs out a lot for walks/to the park and the amount of parents that will lead their child over to the dogs, and let the kid be all up in the dogs space.
Now, I trust my dogs to the end of the earth. I love my dogs to pieces. If I was living on my last few euro I'd make sure they were fed before myself or my partner. But - I can't read their minds. I don't know if they're feeling threathened or feeling scared. I don't know how they'll act around a stranger, much less a noisey hyper little stranger and God forbid they did bite a child. I'd be guilty forever. But parents don't like being told their kids can't touch the dogs, or to leave the dogs alone. Sometimes it feels I'm responsible for keeping my dogs calm and not stressed out, and keeping strange kids safe when their own parents don't seem too bothered.

I wonder what sort of life the dog in the OP had if the sound of someone suddenly coughing made him go on the offensive straight away? It's unusual. And although staffies look fierce if they're socialised and treated with respect they're actually a very placid and kind dog.

I know my two, if they got into bed, you'd need a foghorn to wake them up, never mind a cough. The owners of the dog possibly rehomed him/rescued him from an abusive situation or they weren't the most responsible dog owners out there.

The poor baby, the child didn't stand a chance. I think a lot of people who own those ferocious looking dogs are doing it for their reputation and have no idea how to look after the dog properly. Having the previous baby of the house in such close proximity to the new baby of the house, a newborn baby, is reckless to say the least. The parents have to live with that. Is that punishment enough?

Yes. You would have to be very cold hearted to think this was not punishment enough for a mistake. I hope people who think otherwise never have to learn empathy the hard way.

fima

Discodog wrote: »

The dog could of just as easily suffocated the baby by accident such as laying on it. Children should never be left with dogs because you can't trust the child. As for the rubbish about bite pressures etc any dog can inflict serious injuries. A family Labrador could do just as much damage.

There is a lot of good advice about preparing a dog for the arrival of a new baby. Unfortunately the arrival of a baby is one of the reasons why people get rid of dogs.

Dogs should never be left with children because you can't trust the dog.

Boardz Fiend

Discodog wrote: »

The dog could of just as easily suffocated the baby by accident such as laying on it. Children should never be left with dogs because you can't trust the child. As for the rubbish about bite pressures etc any dog can inflict serious injuries. A family Labrador could do just as much damage.

There is a lot of good advice about preparing a dog for the arrival of a new baby. Unfortunately the arrival of a baby is one of the reasons why people get rid of dogs.

I agree a lab could do as much damage, its just far less likely to.
Bite pressure is rubbish, really? If a dog had its jaws locked onto your b@llox would you be hoping that dog had a bite pressure of 230Ibs or 120Ibs?

melissak

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

I agree a lab could do as much damage, its just far less likely to.
Bite pressure is rubbish, really? If a dog had its jaws locked onto your b@llox would you be hoping that dog had a bite pressure of 230Ibs or 120Ibs?

Is it not that pit bull types can't let go when they lock their jaws and thus do more damage? Maybe this is a myth.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Boardz Fiend wrote: »

I agree a lab could do as much damage, its just far less likely to.
Bite pressure is rubbish, really? If a dog had its jaws locked onto your b@llox would you be hoping that dog had a bite pressure of 230Ibs or 120Ibs?

Any dog that's not socialised properly or has been abused is liable to do the same. There's a lot of idiots that keep pitbulls/staffies, who can barely look after themselves never mind a high maintenance dog. It's "status" and the dog suffers