First Dates Ireland *read first post*

JimmyAlfonso

the purple tin wrote: »

Now that you mention it, there was an ex army man from Kerry on a few weeks ago. The barman was telling him that he had served in the military as well. When the Kerryman started asking him about it the barman sort of clammed up and said 'oh it's a long story' or something like that and would say no more.
Probably wise for him to zip it as any Irish soldier who had served in Lebanon as i think the Kerryman had would have no love for the Israeli army.

I'm not sure they have love from anyone with their constant carry on. It really is despicable that people from around the world sign up for this and there is little outrage for fear of upsetting them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57034237

shatners bassoon

This thread would be so much more fun if you had to have a pic in your bio to post

leggo

joeguevara wrote: »

Any time that I remember people that came across in a bad way was not really from editing but because they were just an unpleasant person. Also if an editor is going to maliciously edit it in a nefarious way, then it’s likely that the person brought it on themselves based on the initial interview or from their social media persona.

I could be mistaken but it’s rare that anyone says that they were subject of a hatchet job. There is usually enough real footage to do this.

Again, I hear you, but the reality is you’re making that judgement through an edited lens. That’s the point I made earlier in saying, “You can’t tell the audience they didn’t just see that” even though the example I used to get there didn’t actually happen at all in reality.

Us humans are pretty primal when it comes to all this, for the most part, and we believe what we see unquestioned above all else. So if you see a video on social media of a policeman hitting someone with a baton, you think “that’s wrong and he’s abusing his power.” If you see a longer clip of someone attacking the policeman first, you say “hmm fair enough, maybe he was justified”. But if you then see a further, extended clip of that person attacking the policeman because he said/did something horrific to begin with, again your perspective changes.

For editing not to matter is to deny that things like context and perspective don’t matter. You say, for example, that even if an editor gave someone a hatchet job then they’d probably done something wrong to deserve it. Well what if the thing they’d done ‘wrong’ was unmatch said editor on Tinder months beforehand after getting sent an unsolicited dickpic? At the end of the day, the judgement is being made by fallible humans with their own biases, so it’s ignorant to assume nobody can get stitched up or a harsh edit: even if it’s not malicious and just because the production team had a deadline and needed to create *some* kind of compelling storyline from a pretty dull, standard 2-hour date.

And trust me, I’ve done bits on reality TV and also produced/edited/pitched. When you sit there with hours of footage, you don’t think: “How do I be fair on everyone involved?” Your thought pattern is solely, “How do I transform this bunch of tape into a fun story?”

Still Ill

The DayDream wrote: »

I didn't think he was that rough on her, in fairness. You're having the more OTT reaction to me. In fact none of what he said was surprising at all, from looking and listening to her she seemed exactly like someone who reinvented themselves with a boob job but who is still having trouble losing the accent.

FWIW I was the person who initially had a problem with their post. I don't doubt the sincerity of the post at all. I'm sure there was nothing malicious about it. What I objected to was them revealing details about her personal life. The poster complimented her on not referring to personal tragedy on the show. If she wanted that to be public, she would've made it public. It's not up to someone who knew her in school to reveal that on an internet forum.

the purple tin

leggo wrote: »

Again, I hear you, but the reality is you’re making that judgement through an edited lens. That’s the point I made earlier in saying, “You can’t tell the audience they didn’t just see that” even though the example I used to get there didn’t actually happen at all in reality.

Us humans are pretty primal when it comes to all this, for the most part, and we believe what we see unquestioned above all else. So if you see a video on social media of a policeman hitting someone with a baton, you think “that’s wrong and he’s abusing his power.” If you see a longer clip of someone attacking the policeman first, you say “hmm fair enough, maybe he was justified”. But if you then see a further, extended clip of that person attacking the policeman because he said/did something horrific to begin with, again your perspective changes.

For editing not to matter is to deny that things like context and perspective don’t matter. You say, for example, that even if an editor gave someone a hatchet job then they’d probably done something wrong to deserve it. Well what if the thing they’d done ‘wrong’ was unmatch said editor on Tinder months beforehand after getting sent an unsolicited dickpic? At the end of the day, the judgement is being made by fallible humans with their own biases, so it’s ignorant to assume nobody can get stitched up or a harsh edit: even if it’s not malicious and just because the production team had a deadline and needed to create *some* kind of compelling storyline from a pretty dull, standard 2-hour date.

And trust me, I’ve done bits on reality TV and also produced/edited/pitched. When you sit there with hours of footage, you don’t think: “How do I be fair on everyone involved?” Your thought pattern is solely, “How do I transform this bunch of tape into a fun story?”

Remember the two girls from NI recently? They brought their mothers along with them.
The guy who was paired up with one of them said on SM after the episode had aired that the producers had done a number on her with editing to make her look worse than she was.

the purple tin

JimmyAlfonso wrote: »

I'm not sure they have love from anyone with their constant carry on. It really is despicable that people from around the world sign up for this and there is little outrage for fear of upsetting them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57034237

Sad but true. They are the only country in the world that you can end up in court, maybe prison for criticizing.

B.A._Baracus

joeguevara wrote: »

Any time that I remember people that came across in a bad way was not really from editing but because they were just an unpleasant person. Also if an editor is going to maliciously edit it in a nefarious way, then it’s likely that the person brought it on themselves based on the initial interview or from their social media persona.

I could be mistaken but it’s rare that anyone says that they were subject of a hatchet job. There is usually enough real footage to do this.

I think you should watch a few editing videos on YouTube to broaden your mind.

joeguevara

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I think you should watch a few editing videos on YouTube to broaden your mind.

Not sure what you mean by broaden mind? The point I was saying was in relation to a post asking why anyone would go on the show with the risk of being edited in a different way to the reality. I just said that they would have enough non edited material to show them up.

I am well aware of how editing works and I think that you misunderstood what I was saying.

PhilOssophy

Got around to watching last night. Summary:
1. Ballymun guy and Ardee girl - grand but not much to report. Good on him stopping a man from committing suicide - that's the sort of thing for which somebody will be forever grateful.
2. Tipp man and crazy cat lady - I think she saw alarm bells ringing that he had cans and whatever on the way to the date. He
3. 2 Dubs : He was an arrogant tosser and she was an self-obsessed narcissist - they matched them perfectly. I'd say she's looking for a man with plenty of cash so she can flute around with her Instagram followers and enjoy the likes. She'll find him no doubt!
4. Young Cork lad and Dublin girl : He's 100% closet and she was lovely, but not much to report on the date either.

It was quite a boring episode and they could surely have ended the series on more of a high note. Still, I've great respect for anybody who puts themselves out in such a public way. Good luck KathleenGrant with the next series.

leggo

leggo wrote: »

Also don’t see why they include people being stood up. The first time it was ever done on the UK one (fun fact; I know the guy who stood her up on that :pac:), it was dramatic because it had never been done before and we didn’t realise that could be a thing. But now it’s not dramatic. We’ve seen it done, it’s a blind date so it’s clearly nothing personal on the other person, so basically you’re just setting up and showing a humiliating moment another person went through on national TV.

There was no need to humiliate that girl.
She looked a bit upset.

pgj2015

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

There was no need to humiliate that girl.
She looked a bit upset.

If you were humiliated by someone not turning up to a BLIND date you would want to have a word with yourself. even if someone you already met stood you up, so what, there are far worse things that could happen.

If I get called to appear on the show I will 100% be stood up.

KathleenGrant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If I get called to appear on the show I will 100% be stood up.

How could you be? Nobody knows who you are.

Wildsurfer

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

There was no need to humiliate that girl.
She looked a bit upset.

Probably done to provide context when they match her with the perfect guy on her next appearance. Why would it be humiliating anyways, more than likely the guy had an attack of nerves and couldn't go through with it. Unless he came to door took one look at her and doubled back. Now that would be humiliating...

job seeker

PhilOssophy wrote: »

..,.
4. Young Cork lad and Dublin girl : He's 100% closet and she was lovely, but not much to report on the date either.

Based on what? I wouldn’t have thought so..

pgj2015

pgj2015 wrote: »

If you were humiliated by someone not turning up to a BLIND date you would want to have a word with yourself. even if someone you already met stood you up, so what, there are far worse things that could happen.

Bit of a difference getting a 50 down the pub as opposed to on national TV, with a HD camera in your face, immortalised on player and YouTube, for those that missed it "live".

Maybe have a word with yourself, if context and indeed empathy are not your forte.

gmisk

Only watching this week's episode now.

The blond girl with the cat seemed alright...she really should go first at the interview after if you say no really dickish move. The fella seemed like a bit of a party animal and a messer needs to grow up I think, but decent fella I'd say underneath it all.

The black girl and the cork guy seemed sweet together, he was punching a tad, but they had a nice kind of bashful thing going on.

The guy from Ballymun and his date were both lovely.
Clear she wasn't into him romantically, she was upfront gotta respect that.

The Canadian girl was pretty and funny, shame someone stood her up.

The one from brown Thomas (bikini model?!) a bit old for a wanna be insta hun/tik tok (constant pics etc zzz)....and the self proclaimed ledgeeeee bag...Christ.
Both absolutely painful... superficial....knobs...both of them...just awful

The DayDream

Still Ill wrote: »

FWIW I was the person who initially had a problem with their post. I don't doubt the sincerity of the post at all. I'm sure there was nothing malicious about it. What I objected to was them revealing details about her personal life. The poster complimented her on not referring to personal tragedy on the show. If she wanted that to be public, she would've made it public. It's not up to someone who knew her in school to reveal that on an internet forum.

Lol do you not think if she thought it would get her more followers shed have brought it up? The only reason she didn't is it wouldn't fit with her 'personal brand'.

pgj2015

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Bit of a difference getting a 50 down the pub as opposed to on national TV, with a HD camera in your face, immortalised on player and YouTube, for those that missed it "live".

Maybe have a word with yourself, if context and indeed empathy are not your forte.

Once again I fail to see why anyone would be humiliated over a random person who you never met, not turning up for a date. it would be like being on room to improve and dermot bannon not turning up on day one. no big deal.

Still Ill

The DayDream wrote: »

Lol do you not think if she thought it would get her more followers shed have brought it up? The only reason she didn't is it wouldn't fit with her 'personal brand'.

No.

That's a pretty disgusting thing to say.

'Lol'? Do you realise you're actually talking about a real person who might read that?

pgj2015

pgj2015 wrote: »

Once again I fail to see why anyone would be humiliated over a random person who you never met, not turning up for a date. it would be like being on room to improve and dermot bannon not turning up on day one. no big deal.

Rubbish analogy TBF.

if you cant see how being stood up on TV is not humiliating, well, that's your take.
I'm doubt I'm going to convince you to change your mind.

leggo

pgj2015 wrote: »

Once again I fail to see why anyone would be humiliated over a random person who you never met, not turning up for a date. it would be like being on room to improve and dermot bannon not turning up on day one. no big deal.

There’s nothing personally humiliating in it, like it doesn’t say anything about you as a person. But have you no value for your own time? So you send in an application, go through an interview process, make a commitment, tell people you know, get ready for your date then...it’s a no-show.

Not only that but now all of that time wasted is filmed and you’re being painted as this sob story for the nation to see because you’ve already agreed to them being able to film whatever happens because the producers saw the same thing done in the UK before and thought it was cool, no other reason. You can’t control the first part, fair enough, the second part could be avoided though.

I could personally do without every person I know texting me like I’m some big sympathy case, having to tell everyone I told I was going on beforehand what happened, then the entire country saying “Awww god...” about me. Maybe you’d be into all that attention, I dunno, but it wouldn’t be for me tbh.

VonLuck

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Rubbish analogy TBF.

if you cant see how being stood up on TV is not humiliating, well, that's your take.
I'm doubt I'm going to convince you to change your mind.

I think it's a different story when it's a blind date. It's not like they didn't turn up because they had second thoughts about who they're going to see. Then that would be somewhat humiliating.

I see there's an episode scheduled for Thursday....is that the missing one or a repeat?

KevRossi

The missing one was the last one they showed. I'd say it's the usual 'review' of the current series, probably get this week and next week out of the highlights (and lowlights).

TBH I think they did an excellent job this series with matching up people, especially the over-30's and up who were on it. So looking forward to seeing them and not the narcisstic ones.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I see there's an episode scheduled for Thursday....is that the missing one or a repeat?

I think there was an episode earlier in the series that wasn't aired?

Yes there was a week where they repeated an old episode instead of showing a new one. I believe the somewhat cryptic reason was that it wasn't shown for "operational reasons".

VonLuck

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes there was a week where they repeated an old episode instead of showing a new one. I believe the somewhat cryptic reason was that it wasn't shown for "operational reasons".

They played it the week after, but they removed one of the couples that was on the preview for whatever reason.

Oh right! Very confusing. I don't watch it myself but record it for my Mum.

JP Liz V1

An Engagement

https://stellar.ie/trending/telly/congrats-couple-from-first-dates-ireland-announce-engagement/95931