Nobody likes me at work

anonymous2424

Long story short.. I have been at my current job for three years. When i first started I was a tad big for my boots and got on the wrong side of lets say the wrong people.. I was a little rude admittedly but never done anything drastically wrong.
Being the most popular people in the company they took it upon themselves to turn EVERYONE against me. All of a sudden everyone started blanking and hating me.
Since then I have been nicer and whiter than white to everyone and really not put a foot out of place (Apart from when one girl accused me of spreading rumours which i most certainly wasn't spreading!).
Things got marginally better but I needed to stay at the company to get a promotion I desperately needed on my CV. Three years on I have my promotion, and everyone still dislikes me (apart from a few people). I didn't think they'd hold a grudge forever and even with new friends I make in the industry they tell people 'not to be friends with me because nobody likes me'.
I'm obviously now known in the industry as the girl who nobody likes, i'm marginally autistic so struggle to make friends anyway. But despite admittedly being big for my boots when i started, am really nice to everyone now and have been for years.

Anyhow I work in an industry where relationships/friendships are key, should I just cut my losses and go work in a different industry? As i'm only 24 and young enough to change. As even in a different company i'll still (most likely) be the person that nobody likes because of my ex colleagues. Or continue and run the risk of never making friends and being miserable?

Any advise would be much appreciated!

Autonomous Cowherd

I would say you are being bullied by small-minded people. Even if you were a bit of an ass when you started first, anyone with a bit of cop-on would know that you were young and thus would make compassionate allowance. You do not have to feel guilty about some how having contributed to them being assholes to you - every one is entitled to make mistakes, and then move along. We all have our shadow side.

If I was you I would try a bit of counselling to have a supporter in your corner, and an objective ear to listen to you, so that you can drop the shame, regain confidence and perspective, and inhabit your life happily without being bullied by jerks.

best of luck to you.

Tazium

Be yourself.

Trying to behave differently to suit others causes stress and anxiety and may lead to other problems. If you like the job stick at it, if not then using this 'dislike' is as good as any other excuse to leave. But! if someone takes a dislike to you in a new job would you leave there too?

Have you tried asking someone in the clique to go for tea or coffee? It only takes one act of kindness to start a ripple. You might be surprised.

I do emphasise with you, it must feel terrible to focus on what you perceive to be someone not liking you. I'll tell you, 'likes' are for facebook. If you want to know why you are perceived in this way, have an interaction and ask someone, just be prepared to make positive adjustments if you can. Worrying about what others think of you is like sitting in a rocking chair, you'll go backwards and forwards and never get anywhere.

Remain yourself, and focus on what you do positively. Good luck.

davo10

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I would say you are being bullied by small-minded people. Even if you were a bit of an ass when you started first, anyone with a bit of cop-on would know that you were young and thus would make compassionate allowance. You do not have to feel guilty about some how having contributed to them being assholes to you - every one is entitled to make mistakes, and then move along. We all have our shadow side.
u.

To be fair, you only get one chance to make a first impression and if you are an ass to start of with, it can be difficult to change others opinions. I don't see this as bullying, the op is forthright in admitting she contributed to the situation. A fresh start somewhere else might be advisable having learned a valuable lesson in life.

Irish_Elect_Eng

Deliberately isolating a person in a workplace is considered bullying.

davo10

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

Deliberately isolating a person in a workplace is considered bullying.

There would seem to be a contributing factor on the ops part, you can't force colleagues to like you, you can however contribute to them not liking you.

comerla

I had this myself. It all turned full circle - the cliques gradually broke up. I got a promotion, then another one.

You need to focus on whats important - treating people with respect, your family, real friends and doing a good job.

Some people play the politics thing well and use it fully, marginalising people. It means nothing. You're not paid to be their friends.

My advice: toughen up.

Shint0

davo10 wrote: »

To be fair, you only get one chance to make a first impression and if you are an ass to start of with, it can be difficult to change others opinions. I don't see this as bullying, the op is forthright in admitting she contributed to the situation. A fresh start somewhere else might be advisable having learned a valuable lesson in life.

Agreed. I have seen this happen. It's a case of first impressions last and no matter how much someone tries to improve or how good their work performance is they can never shake it off. OP did you disclose your diability to your employer or do you see it as relevant to the job to disclose it? Employers can make reasonable accommodations and provide disability awareness training for staff. It might help others more in their understanding of how you interact with people but that's entirely up to you to disclose and if you feel it has any impact on the job.

Labarbapostiza

davo10 wrote: »

I don't see this as bullying, the op is forthright in admitting she contributed to the situation.

It is bullying. Blanking especially in an office environment is deserving of a punch in the face.

Have you done this kind of stuff yourself?

road_high

Definitely a case of first impressions count. Have to say my first impressions of people I've worked that changed little (depends on the person) from start to end. Especially if you came across cocky or rude to start off with this is a major no-no for a newcomer. Chalk that down to experience and next time be nice, it pays sometimes.

TG1

comerla wrote: »

I had this myself. It all turned full circle - the cliques gradually broke up. I got a promotion, then another one.

You need to focus on whats important - treating people with respect, your family, real friends and doing a good job.

Some people play the politics thing well and use it fully, marginalising people. It means nothing. You're not paid to be their friends.

My advice: toughen up.

I agree with this. Does it matter? Turn up every day, work hard, do your best every day, treat your colleagues with professional courtesy at all times and then at the end of the working day leave it all behind and go home to the things that matter.

I think you'll be surprised at how quickly people get over these things when you keep the head down, do a good job and deal with everyone at a professional level.

Mrs OBumble

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

It is bullying. Blanking especially in an office environment is deserving of a punch in the face.

Rubbish.

Leaving someone out of work-related stuff is bullying.

Not going out of your way to be friendly to them is not. Work is not school, colleagues are required to be courteous in workplace dealings, that is all. They are not required to be friendly.



OP, you've learned your lesson. Time for a fresh start. Hope it goes well, and that have some good transferrable skills.

anonymous2424

I've definitely learnt a hard lesson!!!

I regularly get excluded from work events and treated like crap by my colleagues and they turn round and justify it by saying "nobody likes her". They also go out of their way to turn any new friends I make against me by saying don't be friends with her because "nobody likes her". Considering I keep my nose clean and am very nice to everyone now (and have been for years) I feel is going too far.

I'm in the process of looking for other jobs.

Thanks everyone, really appreciate your advise.

davo10

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

It is bullying. Blanking especially in an office environment is deserving of a punch in the face.

Have you done this kind of stuff yourself?

Can you see the irony in this comment?

Labarbapostiza

davo10 wrote: »

Can you see the irony in this comment?

Let me explain something. Direct aggression is smacking someone in the gob. Passive aggression is more orchestrating a bullying campaign. Social exclusion, which culminates often in people being excluded all the way out of their job. More subtle forms of harassment.

Lots of people richly deserve to be smacked and boxed all over the place, like a rag doll getting the shock of their lives, for the way they behave. But it is neither socially nor legally acceptable. Some people mistakenly believe passive aggression is good and okay because it doesn't involve a direct smack in the gob, even though being very well aware that prolonged torment of passive aggressive tactics is more injurious.

You didn't answer my question. Did you make someone's life at work a living hell, because you didn't like them?

davo10

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

Let me explain something. Direct aggression is smacking someone in the gob. Passive aggression is more orchestrating a bullying campaign. Social exclusion, which culminates often in people being excluded all the way out of their job. More subtle forms of harassment.

Lots of people richly deserve to be smacked and boxed all over the place, like a rag doll getting the shock of their lives, for the way they behave. But it is neither socially nor legally acceptable. Some people mistakenly believe passive aggression is good and okay because it doesn't involve a direct smack in the gob, even though being very well aware that prolonged torment of passive aggressive tactics is more injurious.

You didn't answer my question. Did you make someone's life at work a living hell, because you didn't like them?

Team ethos and good working relationships are essential particularly in small businesses where colleagues have to work in close proximity and rely on each other. If I take on an employee and they start off being rude and obnoxious to their colleagues, I don't make their life a living hell, I do however show them the door.

I'm glad you can tell the difference between passive and active (direct) aggression, you seem to advocate the punch in the face, direct type. You'd be shown the door as well.

And again for your consideration, you can't force colleagues to like you after you have been rude and obnoxious to them. If they don't like you because of your behaviour, then you have to look at your behaviour and perhaps start afresh somewhere else making sure you don't make the same mistakes.

screamer

TBH I don't see it as bullying it's herd mentality. When you join any new group you are the one who has to fit in not them.
Obviously the group chose to ignore you it happens and for the group it's easier than going whingeing to the boss about the newbie. I've seen groups close ranks on someone who upsets the status quo of a tight knit very functional work group and TBH in most cases I saw their point. If you're 3 years in and feeling like that then learn from the experience and move on.

Autonomous Cowherd

Ugh. Humans.

strandsman

there's no friends in work it's as simple as that, only work colleagues. I've worked for 25 yrs in factories and people only look for a small excuse to turn on one another like a pack of wild dogs just to pass their day away. You might consider people you work with "friends" but they are only work colleagues, as soon as your work day ends walk out the door and forget about them all.

OhHiMark

strandsman wrote: »

there's no friends in work it's as simple as that, only work colleagues. I've worked for 25 yrs in factories and people only look for a small excuse to turn on one another like a pack of wild dogs just to pass their day away. You might consider people you work with "friends" but they are only work colleagues, as soon as your work day ends walk out the door and forget about them all.

Do you think it's impossible to become friends with someone just because you happen to work with them?

davo10

When your staff are friends it is a real bonus because it makes for a better, more enjoyable working environment for everyone. But due to age/outlook/personality/family differences it is not always possible. Respect though is a must, being rude and obnoxious is not respectful and can make the situation difficult for everyone. It is very difficult to win over colleagues who do not like you particularly when you have given them good cause to not like you from the outset.

Surely most people go out of their way to make a good impression on their co workers when they are starting, when you start off being an ass, it means you don't care what they think of you and you haven't the cop on to understand the importance of good relations/impressions. Crying about it after the fact and blaming everyone else is a little immature, you have to take responsibility and ensure that it doesn't happen again at your next job.

mackey9387

Original OP I wouldn't give in and look for a new job. Change your attitude towards work go in with a positive mindset even do it may be hard say hello to everyone you pass in work even if they blank you and do so continuously people eventually forgive and forget. Worker harder to keep yourself occupied and your time in work will go quicker. Most importantly at the end of each day then leave your worries in work, don't bring them home with you because then it starts affecting your personal life.

At home you have your family and friends who care about you that's a positive to look forward to at the end of each working day..

"Have patience with all things, but chiefly have patience with yourself. Do not lose courage in considering your own imperfections but instantly set about remedying them, every day begin the task anew."

strandsman

OhHiMark wrote: »

Do you think it's impossible to become friends with someone just because you happen to work with them?

not impossible no, but I see people in work who are "friends" inside and outside of work and they talk about each other behind their back and I say to myself WTF!

OhHiMark

strandsman wrote: »

OhHiMark wrote: »

Do you think it's impossible to become friends with someone just because you happen to work with them?

not impossible no, but I see people in work who are "friends" inside and outside of work and they talk about each other behind their back and I say to myself WTF!

That's not exactly the same as saying that there are no friends in work. I've seen the same in people who don't work with each other. Does that mean that friendship doesn't exist?

strandsman

if they were real friends they wouldn't talking about each other.

draiochtanois

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Aongus Von Heisenberg

OP if you got the promotion surely somebody in there has a high opinion of you?

You may have just fallen foul of a nasty clique. Perhaps only a small group of people are doing you down and everyone else is uncommitted.

If management promoted you then they want to keep you. Perhaps you could discreetly raise your concerns with a member of management. Try to avoid any accusations against particular people and focus on solving the problem. If they want to keep you they will want you working in a friendly and supportive environment to get the best out of you.

OhHiMark

strandsman wrote: »

if they were real friends they wouldn't talking about each other.

Exactly. But that doesn't mean that real friendship doesn't exist with work colleagues.

Autonomous Cowherd

davo10 wrote: »

When your staff are friends it is a real bonus because it makes for a better, more enjoyable working environment for everyone. But due to age/outlook/personality/family differences it is not always possible. Respect though is a must, being rude and obnoxious is not respectful and can make the situation difficult for everyone. It is very difficult to win over colleagues who do not like you particularly when you have given them good cause to not like you from the outset.

Surely most people go out of their way to make a good impression on their co workers when they are starting, when you start off being an ass, it means you don't care what they think of you and you haven't the cop on to understand the importance of good relations/impressions. Crying about it after the fact and blaming everyone else is a little immature, you have to take responsibility and ensure that it doesn't happen again at your next job.

Uh, this ''tough love'' stuff really is crap. If you re-read the OP, you will note that the person concerned was about 21 when they started. I know I was fairly clueless at 21....and in fact, I do not think there is an age limit re making mistakes and being forgiven.
If you were speaking to your kid sister or your child, would you be so heavy? The idea that people have to suck it up (ie. others passive aggressiveness) just because they went in a bit heavy-handed and cocky as a young person when first on the job, just does not do the species any justice.


I am sure the OP has learned her lessons in terms of how to behave in future...in fact she repeatedly has stated that she CHANGED her behaviour. It is the sniping, unforgiving, resentful, small-minded, squinty-eyed bitches who are freezing her out who have the behavioural problems.

Anyways. Sigh.

draiochtanois

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davo10

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

Uh, this ''tough love'' stuff really is crap. If you re-read the OP, you will note that the person concerned was about 21 when they started. I know I was fairly clueless at 21....and in fact, I do not think there is an age limit re making mistakes and being forgiven.
If you were speaking to your kid sister or your child, would you be so heavy? The idea that people have to suck it up (ie. others passive aggressiveness) just because they went in a bit heavy-handed and cocky as a young person when first on the job, just does not do the species any justice.


I am sure the OP has learned her lessons in terms of how to behave in future...in fact she repeatedly has stated that she CHANGED her behaviour. It is the sniping, unforgiving, resentful, small-minded, squinty-eyed bitches who are freezing her out who have the behavioural problems.

Anyways. Sigh.

At 21 you might be inexperienced in the workplace but you are by no means a child. Being courteous and respectful is not optional, it is expected.

Irish_Elect_Eng

To be honest, when it comes to workplace bullying it does not matter if the victim "started it", "deserved it" or "contributed to it, the bully is still guilty of being a bully.

The people doing this are gambling with their careers. If the OP complains and drags them through an investigation their careers will be damaged, their next prospective employer will not care if the OP "started it"

Perhaps they need a mirror held up to their behavior.....it may be revealing to them?


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/equality_in_work/bullying_in_the_workplace.html

Bullying is repeated inappropriate behaviour that undermines your right to dignity at work. It can be done by one or more persons and it is aimed at an individual or a group to make them feel inferior to other people. Bullying can be verbal bullying, physical bullying or cyber bullying which is carried out on the internet or mobile phones, through social networking sites, email and texts. It can take many different forms such as:

Social exclusion and isolation
Damaging someone’s reputation by gossip or rumours
Intimidation
Aggressive or obscene language
Repeated requests with impossible tasks or targets

In 2005 the Expert Advisory Group on Workplace Bullying (pdf) reported that bullying is an increasing problem in the workplace. A survey on bullying was carried out as recommended by the Group and Bullying in the Workplace, Survey Reports 2007 was published. In many European countries the term 'mobbing' is used instead of bullying to describe this type of hostile behaviour in the workplace.

Shint0

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

To be honest, when it comes to workplace bullying it does not matter if the victim "started it", "deserved it" or "contributed to it, the bully is still guilty of being a bully.

The people doing this are gambling with their careers. If the OP complains and drags them through an investigation their careers will be damaged, their next prospective employer will not care if the OP "started it"

Perhaps they need a mirror held up to their behavior.....it may be revealing to them?


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/equality_in_work/bullying_in_the_workplace.html

Bullying is repeated inappropriate behaviour that undermines your right to dignity at work. It can be done by one or more persons and it is aimed at an individual or a group to make them feel inferior to other people. Bullying can be verbal bullying, physical bullying or cyber bullying which is carried out on the internet or mobile phones, through social networking sites, email and texts. It can take many different forms such as:

Social exclusion and isolation
Damaging someone’s reputation by gossip or rumours
Intimidation
Aggressive or obscene language
Repeated requests with impossible tasks or targets

In 2005 the Expert Advisory Group on Workplace Bullying (pdf) reported that bullying is an increasing problem in the workplace. A survey on bullying was carried out as recommended by the Group and Bullying in the Workplace, Survey Reports 2007 was published. In many European countries the term 'mobbing' is used instead of bullying to describe this type of hostile behaviour in the workplace.

That's all true but it seems the OP has never brought this to the attention of their employer. It doesn't matter what other employees do or how it affects the OP if she doesn't make a complaint. You can only claim a detriment if the employers have been made aware and they fail to act or take reasonable measures to deal with it.

Irish_Elect_Eng

Shint0 wrote: »

That's all true but it seems the OP has never brought this to the attention of their employer. It doesn't matter what other employees do or how it affects the OP if she doesn't make a complaint. You can only claim a detriment if the employers have been made aware and they fail to act or take reasonable measures to deal with it.

That's true, until the OP complains,nothing will change.
But even if she does it during her exit interview on her way out the door to a new company, their careers could be over. Certainly would be in most MNCs, and in a small industry reliant on relationships (as described by the OP), it could make them unemployable.

I was more focused on the behaviors of the other employees and the fact that some folks are taking he contribution to the situation as somehow absolving the bullies from responsibility.

Whether she complains or not,
Whether they are censured or not,
They are still bullies.

davo10

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

That's true, until the OP complains,nothing will change.
But even if she does it during her exit interview on her way out the door to a new company, their careers could be over. Certainly would be in most MNCs, and in a small industry reliant on relationships (as described by the OP), it could make them unemployable.

I was more focused on the behaviors of the other employees and the fact that some folks are taking he contribution to the situation as somehow absolving the bullies from responsibility.

Whether she complains or not,
Whether they are censured or not,
They are still bullies.

And if the other employees when questioned give the reasons why they don't like the op and give examples of what the op herself confirmed were acts of rudeness and obnoxiousness?

You can't make people like you, none of us can and if a colleague is rude or disrespectful toward you, it is a bit rich to then complain that you are unhappy because they don't like you.

I think you are over egging the probability of a complaint outcome in this case, if the op is unliked and all her colleagues confirm the reasons why, the employer would be inclined to remove the bad apple from the cart before the others spoil.

Labarbapostiza

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

That's true, until the OP complains,nothing will change.
But even if she does it during her exit interview on her way out the door to a new company, their careers could be over. Certainly would be in most MNCs, and in a small industry reliant on relationships (as described by the OP), it could make them unemployable.

If she was able to get a promotion then the situation mustn't be all that bad. Heavy bullying campaigns usually aim to get the person fired, and out of that industry all together. So there isn't a chance they can take revenge.

I was more focused on the behaviors of the other employees and the fact that some folks are taking he contribution to the situation as somehow absolving the bullies from responsibility.

The people absolving the bullies, are bullies themselves. From their perspective they are the injured party, and their bullying is heroic and justified. It's very difficult to find out what the psychological motivations are, when a bully tells their story, they're not the bad guy.

It would be interesting to hear more bullies com

Morgans

Think the OP has the cleverness to know that she is reaping what she has sown. Learning from it and continuing to behave in the way that you feel you should, should make life at work easier. Slowly people will turn around. It might not be quick but you should get some satisfaction from it. I do agree that first impressions can last but continuing to behave in the right way means that you are doing what you can to resolve your problem. I think the idea to quit and start again in a new industry is the nuclear option.

dr.fuzzenstein

Thank you Morgans. A bit if sense at last, this sh*tty attitude of "oh yeah, OP deserves to be bullied" was grating on my nerves. No doubt written by Mr HR of the year 2015.
OP, here's some more sense and nevermind the b**locks. Before you decide to go changing career, find out who the ringleader of the bullying campaign against you is, approach that person and talk to them. Nothing confrontational, nothing accusational, just approach them and see if they will hear you out, try to explain yourself and tell them you didn't mean to step on their toes. You could be amazed and I have often seen people who were dead set against me completely change their tune.
They do this because they think you're a bitch, if you show them otherwise, you stand a very good chance of completely reversing your current situation.
You could also speak to management or HR, but I think it won't help the situation.

the_syco

anonymous2424 wrote: »

When i first started I was a tad big for my boots and got on the wrong side of lets say the wrong people.. I was a little rude admittedly but never done anything drastically wrong.

I'm guessing you did something drastically wrong, but didn't realise it at the time. It happens.

Although you're there 3 years, it's unknown for how long you were acting the ass. And if you were acting enough of an ass, no-one would give you a chance to prove otherwise.

anonymous2424 wrote: »

i'm marginally autistic so struggle to make friends anyway.

OP; it's in your best interest to seek help with this professionally.

Depending on how you are "marginally autistic", people may misinterpret it, and getting help with it before you get a new job may ensure that you are not misinterpreted again.

Labarbapostiza

the_syco wrote: »

I'm guessing you did something drastically wrong, but didn't realise it at the time. It happens.

Although you're there 3 years, it's unknown for how long you were acting the ass. And if you were acting enough of an ass, no-one would give you a chance to prove otherwise.

People who get bullied, wrack their brains for explanations of how they've brought the bullying on themselves. Unless you have a signed confession from the bullies as to what the initial reason or any reason was, you have nothing. And even if you do have a signed confession, you can't tell for sure if it's true.

I've been in bullied in work situations by people I had nothing to do with or ever spoke to. Being chosen as the office laughing stock....but by people I had no direct condition with, or ever had. Did I make some mistake?

OP; it's in your best interest to seek help with this professionally.

Depending on how you are "marginally autistic", people may misinterpret it, and getting help with it before you get a new job may ensure that you are not misinterpreted again.

If the op is marginally autistic, and not self diagnosed, and just a bit awkward, then there is no treatment or cure.

People with autism, are often the target for bullying. They have difficulty holding on to jobs. But people with any form of disability do have this kind of problem.

bigpink

OP
You said too big for your boots and wrobg side of people at the start..why did you do this?

Mrs OBumble

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

I've been in bullied in work situations by people I had nothing to do with or ever spoke to. Being chosen as the office laughing stock....but by people I had no direct condition with, or ever had. Did I make some mistake?

This thread isn't about you, it's about the OP, who very clearly described what they did to cause people in general to dislike them.

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

If the op is marginally autistic, and not self diagnosed, and just a bit awkward, then there is no treatment or cure.

People with autism, are often the target for bullying. They have difficulty holding on to jobs. But people with any form of disability do have this kind of problem.

Both untrue.

There are behavioural interventions that can teach people with autism how to fit in with other people.

And people with disabilities usually have difficulty getting jobs in the first place. Once they have one, they usually last keep it for longer than the average bear.

IrishZeus

Op,

You were 21(ish) when you started- although an adult, some leeway should be given based on age. People starting off in the working world often think they know everything - it is part of the maturation process realising that you don't. Having managed teams of up to 70/80 people, the different levels cockiness/too-big-for-boots you see throughout age ranges are amazing. Some people keep it forever but based on your post, you seem to have realised your issues and have addressed them so fair play to you on this.

Secondly, you have been promoted by age 24. Regardless of fitting in with your colleagues, you have been recognised by management as someone with the ability to move upwards. This (in most places) is a sign that you are good at what you do and have earned this recognition from those with the power to make these decisions. If this management team are in any way competent, they will be aware of how you are perceived by other members of your team and they still made this decision. To my mind, management place more value on you than on the others. (This is an assumption as I have no idea how well these other have progressed within the industry but probably a safe assumption that they have not all been promoted.)

Unfortunately your promotion may not have helped your case in getting them back onside. Not being liked in the first placed, coupled with then being promoted, will have fed more into their dislike of you and also (more than likely) introduced jealousy into the situation which is never good. Keep in mind that these people will begrudge you your promotion given their perception of you.

Finally - do not sacrifice what you have gained for these people. You started badly, realised what you had done wrong, worked hard and then gained a promotion. Walking away because of "them" is not the right thing to do - only do this if "you" are completely sure that "you" want to go. You need to place a value on what you have done right and what you have gained, rather then look at just the opinion of these bullies. Mayhaps the benefits outweight the negatives? Only you can decide this but always remember to put a value on the positives of your situation also.

I hope it works out for you but just remember that work is work, colleagues are colleagues. Do you job well, be as respectful and courteous as possible but don't believe that you have to go out of your way to be "friends" with these people.

Best of luck.

Letree

anonymous2424 wrote: »

Long story short.. I have been at my current job for three years. When i first started I was a tad big for my boots and got on the wrong side of lets say the wrong people.. I was a little rude admittedly but never done anything drastically wrong.

What did you behave like at the start?

Autonomous Cowherd

Letree wrote: »

What did you behave like at the start?

Oh, for the love of God, the amount of saints in this thread is making me press ''Unfollow''. Oy vey.

Kenny Bania

Irish_Elect_Eng wrote: »

Deliberately isolating a person in a workplace is considered bullying.

They're not isolating her though she never said that. She just said they don't like her, which they're entitled to do - and she even admits it was initially her fault.

Plus, she got a promotion, so it's not actually affecting her job or career. It's just not a nice atmosphere to be in - but she made that bed.

PaddyWilliams

Kenny Bania wrote: »

They're not isolating her though she never said that. She just said they don't like her, which they're entitled to do - and she even admits it was initially her fault.

Plus, she got a promotion, so it's not actually affecting her job or career. It's just not a nice atmosphere to be in - but she made that bed.

Sounds to me like they are isolating her though :

'I've definitely learnt a hard lesson!!!

I regularly get excluded from work events and treated like crap by my colleagues and they turn round and justify it by saying "nobody likes her". They also go out of their way to turn any new friends I make against me by saying don't be friends with her because "nobody likes her". Considering I keep my nose clean and am very nice to everyone now (and have been for years) I feel is going too far.

I'm in the process of looking for other jobs.

Thanks everyone, really appreciate your advise. '

Kenny Bania

PaddyWilliams wrote: »

Sounds to me like they are isolating her though :

'I've definitely learnt a hard lesson!!!

I regularly get excluded from work events and treated like crap by my colleagues and they turn round and justify it by saying "nobody likes her". They also go out of their way to turn any new friends I make against me by saying don't be friends with her because "nobody likes her". Considering I keep my nose clean and am very nice to everyone now (and have been for years) I feel is going too far.

Define "work events" though. If it's an official company event (like the annual Xmas party, or similar), then the company would be inviting her and the rest would have no say in it. The company obviously likes her, because she got a promotion - so her career is not being held back here.

But if by "work events", she's referring to her work colleagues socialising with each other outside of work, then they're not actual "work" events at all - that's their own free time which they can spend how they wish.

So while the OP may be calling these "work events" - it's most likely these are just work people going out together outside of working hours & off the premises. That's their own private time.

I know it's not ideal - but you can't ask HR to force people to socialise with you in personal time. If she has proof of it, she can certainly complain about them badmouthing her to others though. That is bullying, and that's the only official recourse she would have here. But the rest is not bullying.

PaddyWilliams

My 2 cents on the issue

I've acted at times like a complete so and so, but I have only ever done so through being aggravated with others. If others are nice with me, I am nice with them. If I ever meet someone for the first time I will go out of my way to be nice to them, but if the compliment is not returned it is hard to keep that up. I've regularly been insulted by people for no reason, so obviously they do not earn any respect for that. I've found that the people who are ultimately worth the most respect are those that don't necessarily have to be all smiles and chat but you know that they are respectful. They often come in with less than sunny faces, but they'll never attempt to belittle or insult you.
I can live with people not always being nice, once I know myself what they are like on a normal basis and will make leeway for them for the once in a blue moon occurrences.

Either ways, I would not let these people drive you out of your job. I'm guessing you like the job as you've stuck it out this far. I commend you for fixing your ways, that's not always an easy thing to do. You did make a horrible mistake at the start, but I feel most people deserve a 2nd chance, especially when they make attempts similar to those you have made. It looks like you may be able to progress up the ladder, so do not throw a chance like that away lightly. 'Haters gonna hate' as they say!

PaddyWilliams

Kenny Bania wrote: »

Define "work events" though. If it' an official company event (like the annual Xmas party, or similar), then the company would be inviting her and the rest would have no say in it. The company obviously likes her, because she got a promotion - so her career is not being held back here.

But if by "work events", she's referring to her work colleagues socialising with each other outside of work, then they're not actual "work" events at all - that's their own free time which they can spend how they wish.

So while the OP may be calling these "work events" - it's most likely these are just work people going out together outside of working hours & off the premises. That's their own private time.

I know it's not ideal - but you can't ask HR to force people to socialise with you in personal time. If she has proof of it, she can certainly complain about them badmouthing her to others though. That is bullying, and that's the only official recourse she would have here. But the rest is not bullying.

I can't define 'work events' unfortunately. The OP will have to do that for us! But the part about going out of their way to turn others against her certainly is work related and apart from not being nice, in my view, is just plain wrong.

Kenny Bania

PaddyWilliams wrote: »

the part about going out of their way to turn others against her certainly is work related and apart from not being nice, in my view, is just plain wrong.

Yes, I agree with you there. But that's the only issue at hand really.

The rest seems to be just getting excluded from work drinks - which are not organised by the company, and staff are entitled to socialise with whomever they please in their own time.