Which top level player has had biggest dip in form over last season or two?

NIMAN

Was just watching MOTD and seen Cesc Fabregas, and realised he has gone from one of the world's top touted players to quite average looking (by top standards).

His career has bombed since the move to Chelsea, and it kinda floundered a bit at Barcelona too IIRC.

Others popping into my head are Hazard this season, Falcao (injury has played a part I suppose).

Let's be having your candidates.

Juan8

Yaya Toure

Skylinehead

Sanchez hasn't been anywhere near what he was last season, partially injury and partially just not as good.

StringerBell

Diego Costa

callaway92

StringerBell wrote: »

Diego Costa

No way should he even be near this discussion.

callaway92

Trying to stay away from Chelsea players here.

Moussa Sissoko for Newcastle. Was highly touted for quite a while and is now hated by many fans (although he scored an important goal yesterday).

Leighton Baines (injuries may have played a factor) has digressed so much.

Theo Walcott has fallen away altogether.

Wayne Rooney deserves to be in the discussion.

Memphis Depay

Per Mertesacker has been atrocious for a while now.


Top level might be a stretch for a couple of them.

The Talking Bread

StringerBell wrote: »

Diego Costa

No dip, just found out.

Falcao
Fabregas
Pedro
Kompany (injuries mainly but he has lost a lot of presence and concentration also)
Rooney

On a smaller context
Baines
Darmian and Depay
Shelvey and Tiote
I'd say Fellaini but I think its mainly due to the way he has been managed. His confidence is gone also and he doesnt look like he wants to be there anymore.
Benteke of course also.

StringerBell

callaway92 wrote: »

No way should he even be near this discussion.

His form this season was good then?

Particularly in comparison to his form from 2 seasons ago, and 3 seasons ago?

Or is it you don't think he was ever a top level player?

callaway92

StringerBell wrote: »

His form this season was good then?

Particularly in comparison to his form from 2 seasons ago, and 3 seasons ago?

Or is it you don't think he was ever a top level player?

I didn't say his form was good all season. I just wouldn't particularly note it as much of a dip at all. He has had a couple of fine runs this season which have been interrupted by injuries.

He has still scored many goals this season.

StringerBell

So his form has dipped then.

callaway92

StringerBell wrote: »

So his form has dipped then.

The question was who had the biggest dip in form and I said he shouldn't be near the discussion. That generally would mean that others have had far larger dips in form and not.

Can you not understand that?

JustTheOne

Di Maria.

JPA

NIMAN wrote: »

Was just watching MOTD and seen Cesc Fabregas, and realised he has gone from one of the world's top touted players to quite average looking (by top standards).

His career has bombed since the move to Chelsea, and it kinda floundered a bit at Barcelona too IIRC.

Others popping into my head are Hazard this season, Falcao (injury has played a part I suppose).

Let's be having your candidates.

Fabregas was outstanding last season but he's anonymous this year like everyone else at Chelsea.

StringerBell

callaway92 wrote: »

The question was who had the biggest dip in form and I said he shouldn't be near the discussion. That generally would mean that others have had far larger dips in form and not.

Can you not understand that?

Ok, ill simplify it also.

You're wrong to say he shouldn't be near the discussion.

Bounty Hunter

2 years ago Joleen Lescott had just left league champions Man City and was playing so well that he WBA fans were making calls for him to get a call-up back into the England squad. This year most Villa fans were hoping he would be sold (as rumored) to the MLS in January and he has probably been the most criticized player on their abysmal run to relegation.


Maybe not a "top level player" like the thread asked for but before his decent it could be argued he was. Now I never want to see him play for Villa again. That said most names on this list who have been mentioned have either been ravaged with injuries or their entire team were sh!te by their usual standards (could also apply to Villa I guess) so it's harder to tell if it was just that individual player under performing.

theoneeyedman

Eden Hazard says 'Hello'

callaway92

StringerBell wrote: »

Ok, ill simplify it also.

You're wrong to say he shouldn't be near the discussion.

Hmm, agree to disagree so.

barneygumble99

Nemanja Matic.

The_Kew_Tour

Hazard or Fabregas

GLaDOS

Obviously a few years ago, but Fernando Torres' fall from being one of the best strikers in the world still amazes me

MD1990

shocked Hazard wasn't mentioned straight away.
Also
- Oscar
- Matic

brock92

Rooney

Turtyturd

Schweinsteiger. As with some of the others injuries have played their part. But in the past two seasons he's gone from being a big part of a World Cup winning squad to an ineffective midfielder at United.

Think Guardiola got a bit of stick for letting him go but obviously knew what was coming.

GavRedKing

Matic, close thread.

Hazard, hasnt done much this season but when he was fit and not scoring he was still playing well enough, a dip yes, of course, because hes reguarly scored goals and got assists but nowhere near as bad as Matic who looks like a guy plucked from ths stands anytime hes played this year but you could say that about 90% of the Chelsea team this season.

Someone suggesting Fabregas though is laughable, he was probably our 3rd best player last year, he got implicted in the trio not backing Jose and refusing to play for him this year, even though he was the only one of the three to come out and publicly back him.

L'prof

Surely Hazard. POTY last year scoring 19 in all competitions and being instrumental in a league winning team as opposed to this season!

CSF

Hazard for me too.

Dempsey

Hazard, Fabregas and Matic all have nosedived this season.

Yaya Toure & Wayne Rooney aswell.

galwaylad14

Has to be Hazard. Unstoppable last year, hasn't contributed much at all this year. Matic and Fabregas too. Don't think Rooney has been as bad this season as some would claim, been injured a bit though. Yaya Toure is also a small bit unfair as he's just reaching an age where he's probably in a natural decline, he's not a patch on the player he was though alright.

Don't see how Costa could be mentioned really, not as good as last year but still has 14 goals in all comps with a few games left compared to 21 last year.

super_furry

Angel Di Maria, Juan Mata, Falcoa, Pedro and Eden Hazard are the ones that come to mind for me.

Liam O

Rooney is in great form in the last 10 games or so he has played. Yet gets mentioned more than anyone on this thread. Strange.

Mata has gone backwards this season, Herrera too. Rojo not looked great but that is more of a positional change thing imo.

Outside of United there is obviously a good few at Chelsea. Navas seems to have gone backwards. I wonder if it's just a coincidence that a lot of the players are Spanish, even Silva doesn't do as well anymore imo but it may be that the less dynamic and more technical players are finding it tougher.

The Talking Bread

super_furry wrote: »

Angel Di Maria, Juan Mata, Falcoa, Pedro and Eden Hazard are the ones that come to mind for me.

Di Maria is playing relatively well for PSG . Had a small slump towards Nov/Dec but starting to look a little bit like the player he was.

Ditto Mata, he is not in his natural position at Utd but has worked around that and he links up a lot in final third. At his last season at Chelski he was either out of the team fue to Jose tactics or out of form due to confidence. He is starting to look like he's very settled at United. (In my opinion!)

ERG89

Toni Kroos, Pique (he's always v.good or pretty bad imo), De Rossi, Kondogbia (was fantastic vs Napoli on Saturday mind), Dzeko, Iturbe, Inler, Papiss Cisse, Thiago Motta, Casillas?, De Sciglio, the dutch National team except Robben....:p
I'd name premier league ones but it'd only cause an argument

Skylinehead

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Ditto Mata, he is not in his natural position at Utd but has worked around that and he links up a lot in final third. At his last season at Chelski he was either out of the team fue to Jose tactics or out of form due to confidence. He is starting to look like he's very settled at United. (In my opinion!)

Mata may be playing pretty well for United now, but he's still nowhere near his highs of 2011-13.

Korat

The Talking Bread wrote: »

He is starting to look like he's very settled at United. (In my opinion!)

Hopefully not for long.


What's the craic with Courtois this season has he just been injured or is his form gone to dirt as well?

The Talking Bread

Bar a few here and theres Ramsey has never hit the form he showed for a couple of seasons. Ditto Walcott .
Andros Townsend, Kieran Gibbs and Rob Green another few who have hit the decline arc.

Jesus Navas looks like is on work experience, Ivanovich thinks he is a winger, not a right back, after all those assists and goals a season or two back and most of Chelsea' concessions come down the opponents left wing.

Ander Herrera another one. Just looks like he is going through the motions a lot of the time. Carrick was (unnoticeably) superb for United for a few seasons but age has caught up with him, like Schweinsteiger.


Seb Larsson and Jack Rodwell are gone downhill

Rickie Lambert is a sad sight and Callum McManaman doesn't seem like he is going to fulfill the promise he showed at vWigan

The Talking Bread

Skylinehead wrote: »

Mata may be playing pretty well for United now, but he's still nowhere near his highs of 2011-13.

Of course. He was a central point of Chelsea back then. Anyway thread is about "last season or two". Matas last outstanding season was 12/13.

Iused2likebusts

Zabaleta has had a huge dip this year. He was the best rb in the league the past few seasons. He had a few injuries this year but sagna is regularly picked ahead of him when fit.

The Talking Bread

Korat wrote: »

Hopefully not for long.


What's the craic with Courtois this season has he just been injured or is his form gone to dirt as well?

Well if Jose is coming it is very probable doubt Mata will be on his way but I want him to stay. A very intelligent and creative player and with the sort of runs Rashford makes Mata is the exact type of player you want.

It could be a good thing for United to be out of CL next season, two seasons out of the last three may be enough to really hit home to the higher powers that be how the transfer strategy is not working at all and its not as if they will suffer financially too much.

astonaidan

How on earth can you mention dip in form and Thiago Motta , clearly dont watch football.
For me Wazza was dreadful at the start of season but picked it up goal wise anyways(his general play was still poor for a player of his ability)
Eden Hazard for me would be a player whos form has dramatically dropped even if he still looks the most dangerous player for Chelsea
Costa form isnt even close to being one of the most dramatic drops

Giggsy11

Clear winner has to be Eden Hazard. From PFA player of the year to 0 goals this season.

Harry Palmr

Oscar, Hazard, Fabregas, Yaya Toure, Falcao

Sanchez has had a pretty poor 2015/16 but too soon to call it a crisis.

Benteke obviously!

Richard Hillman

Ivanovic

Skylinehead

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Ivanovic

I think he's not been great for more than just this season, not sure why the pundits rated him so much. His positioning has always been suspect.

galwaylad14

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Bar a few here and theres Ramsey has never hit the form he showed for a couple of seasons. Ditto Walcott .
Andros Townsend, Kieran Gibbs and Rob Green another few who have hit the decline arc.

Jesus Navas looks like is on work experience, Ivanovich thinks he is a winger, not a right back, after all those assists and goals a season or two back and most of Chelsea' concessions come down the opponents left wing.

Ander Herrera another one. Just looks like he is going through the motions a lot of the time. Carrick was (unnoticeably) superb for United for a few seasons but age has caught up with him, like Schweinsteiger.


Seb Larsson and Jack Rodwell are gone downhill

Rickie Lambert is a sad sight and Callum McManaman doesn't seem like he is going to fulfill the promise he showed at vWigan

Andros Townsend has been excellent since signing for Newcastle.

eagle eye

Lovren, Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, Sturridge, Falcao, Mandzukic and Jackson Martinez.

marklazarcovic

courtois, value must have halved this season

Speak Now

What about Seamus Coleman? Although he seems to be getting unlucky with injuries.

Irish94

eagle eye wrote: »

Lovren, Lallana, Shaw, Lambert, Sturridge, Falcao, Mandzukic and Jackson Martinez.

Arguably United's best player and left back in the league at that stage of the season before he broke his leg. Unavailable to play due to breaking a leg is a dip in form? Baffling.

eagle eye

Irish94 wrote: »

Arguably United's best player and left back in the league at that stage of the season before he broke his leg. Unavailable to play due to breaking a leg is a dip in form? Baffling.

He wasn't fit enough and couldn't hold down his place last season under Van Gaal. He played a couple of games and broke his leg so he didn't prove anything in that short space of time.

bucketybuck

Skylinehead wrote: »

Mata may be playing pretty well for United now,

He really isn't.

The Talking Bread

eagle eye wrote: »

He wasn't fit enough and couldn't hold down his place last season under Van Gaal. He played a couple of games and broke his leg so he didn't prove anything in that short space of time.

ah stop! Shaw was looking in unbelievable shape before that injury, Uniteds best player by a distance. Only reason he wasnt getting a regular run the previous season was due to Van Gaal picking Blind ahead of him which was understandable due to their relationship.

Yes, Shaw was a little disappointing when he did get the chance but by no means should be on a forum of "biggest dip in form"
He was settling into a new club, a club which was completely destabalised after being part of a solid system at Southampton so, like all of Uniteds transfers over last few years (bar Martial and Darmian for about three games!) he was always going to not just slot in straight away.