ESB workers get 5.5% rise and 'compensation' payment

loremolis

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0414/781841-esb-workers-set-to-receive-5-5-pay-rise/

A 5.5% pay rise and €2,750 in 'compensation' for the period where their pay was frozen.

"Such arrangements are not common in the general workforce."

More of the same from ESB. I mightn't care as much if their workers weren't the most wasteful I've ever come across.

loremolis

loremolis wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0414/781841-esb-workers-set-to-receive-5-5-pay-rise/

A 5.5% pay rise and €2,750 in 'compensation' for the period where their pay was frozen.

"Such arrangements are not common in the general workforce."

More of the same from ESB. I mightn't care as much if their workers weren't the most wasteful I've ever come across.

It over two and a half years, a about a 2% rise a year.

Specialun

Not exactly a huge payrise is it....put your daggers away on this one

Specialun

Specialun wrote: »

Not exactly a huge payrise is it....put your daggers away on this one

A no I was looking forward to all the stories about the brother in law, cousins, next door neighbour, who work in the ESB, drives a gold plated merc and takes 16 holidays a year!!!

Arsemageddon

loremolis wrote: »

More of the same from ESB. I mightn't care as much if their workers weren't the most wasteful I've ever come across.

How are they wasteful and why were you ejaculating on them?

questionmark?

loremolis wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0414/781841-esb-workers-set-to-receive-5-5-pay-rise/

A 5.5% pay rise and €2,750 in 'compensation' for the period where their pay was frozen.

"Such arrangements are not common in the general workforce."

More of the same from ESB. I mightn't care as much if their workers weren't the most wasteful I've ever come across.

If you think thats a lot then your head will explode if you see what the lads on the LUAS want!

eeguy

Pay frozen for years, get 2% year. Nothing really.

Slydice

The ESB confirmed that the average salary for ESB employees at present is €62,000, rising to €72,000 when overtime and expenses are factored in.

Nice!

Always thought the ESB looked really generous in their headlines. Ever see that headline where everyone in their Dublin office got a €1000 chair?

Must find out where the advertise their jobs.

loremolis

mariaalice wrote: »

It over two and a half years, a about a 2% rise a year.

They're already the highest paid public sector employees in the country.

Slydice

ah no, my bad, it was bord gais energy that got the €1000 chairs
http://www.thejournal.ie/bord-gais-energy-office-chairs-herman-miller-aeron-warrington-place-furniture-chairs-213861-Aug2011/

thee glitz

loremolis wrote: »

I mightn't care as much if their workers weren't the most wasteful I've ever come across.

Are you going to back that up with anything?

loremolis

eeguy wrote: »

Pay frozen for years, get 2% year. Nothing really.

It wasn't frozen if they're getting it now

loremolis

Arsemageddon wrote: »

How are they wasteful and why were you ejaculating on them?

I said come not cum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MjTh5tFiZM

Galwayguy35

2 years ago there was a bad storm and the electricity was gone, they were out working that night and had it back at 11 pm so I think they deserve whatever pay they are on.

matchthis

When there's storms, floods etc they are out in them getting things going. No power for people who can manage is small, but for the elderly and vulnerable it's a necessity. Didn't an employee die when trying to restore power in the storms over xmas?

loremolis

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

2 years ago there was a bad storm and the electricity was gone, they were out working that night and had it back at 11 pm so I think they deserve whatever pay they are on.

I don't disagree that the guys who go out after a storm do their job well, but you're forgetting that the ESB is much much larger than the guys who go out on a stormy night. The thousands of staff in Electric Ireland who never leave their office get this too.

Grab All Association

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

2 years ago there was a bad storm and the electricity was gone, they were out working that night and had it back at 11 pm so I think they deserve whatever pay they are on.

Gombeens areas are always first.

Dr Turk Turkelton

loremolis wrote: »

They're already the highest paid public sector employees in the country.

Is the ESB not semi state? Also do they not run at a massive profit every year so should be able to pay their employees what they want.
I have lived in other countries as well and their price is on a par with or cheaper than the UK and the States.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

loremolis wrote: »

They're already the highest paid public sector employees in the country.

Just for completeness, they are actually classified as Private Sector.

You also seem to ignore the article referring to

The percentage increases would be seen as being in line with norms in the economy at present.

But bash away.

What is it with begrudgery in this country?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

loremolis wrote: »

I don't disagree that the guys who go out after a storm do their job well, but you're forgetting that the ESB is much much larger than the guys who go out on a stormy night. The thousands of staff in Electric Ireland who never leave their office get this too.

Care to be more specific on the Electric Ireland staff numbers? I know them and they are not in the thousands. But look it up for yourself and post it.

loremolis

Barrett Orange Pillowcase wrote: »

Just for completeness, they are actually classified as Private Sector.

You also seem to ignore the article referring to


But bash away.

What is it with begrudgery in this country?

Where are they classified as private sector?

An average salary of €72,000 cannot be equated to a norm in the economy.

JRant

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Is the ESB not semi state? Also do they not run at a massive profit every year so should be able to pay their employees what they want.
I have lived in other countries as well and their price is on a par with or cheaper than the UK and the States.

They have also paid back into the Government coffers to the tune of €1.5 Billion over the past 10 years.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

loremolis wrote: »

Where are they classified as private sector?

An average salary of €72,000 cannot be equated to a norm in the economy.

They are classed as Private Sector, in all employment legislation, public accounts, and any other manner you want. You called them Public so that makes them public, is that it?
Public sector is defined as providing government services or being publicly funded. ESB is neither.

That average salary covers all levels and they employ highly qualified engineers, technicians, accountants etc, who work on-call, shifts etc. It's not an excessive 'average' when these and CEO etc are considered. I earned in excess of that in my line of work before I retired many years ago. For the skill set that is included, it's reasonable. I know many in ESB earn below 35000.

JRant

loremolis wrote: »

Where are they classified as private sector?

An average salary of €72,000 cannot be equated to a norm in the economy.

The percentage increase is the norm across the economy. The salary is a different matter altogether.

Considering the high degree of specialty, training and responsibility what would you consider a fair salary?

loremolis

JRant wrote: »

They have also paid back into the Government coffers to the tune of €1.5 Billion over the past 10 years.

Every cent of which came from our electricity bills. The fact that a dividend is paid seems to give the ESB a get out of jail card for the fact that we are being overcharged for electricity. It's a form of stealth tax.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Fair play to them.

JRant

loremolis wrote: »

Every cent of which came from our electricity bills. The fact that a dividend is paid seems to give the ESB a get out of jail card for the fact that we are being overcharged for electricity. It's a form of stealth tax.

Haha, good one. Their accounts are publically available if you're interested in actually looking rather than spouting.

Generation accounts for a portion of the profits but that includes industrial customers as well. Electric Irelands profits are quite small in comparison.

They also own nearly the entire fibre backbone in the country that is rented to all the phone providers. That's a nice little earner for them as well.

So, no, electricity bills for domestic customers does not account for every cent.

loremolis

JRant wrote: »

Haha, good one. Their accounts are publically available if you're interested in actually looking rather than spouting.

Generation accounts for a portion of the profits but that includes industrial customers as well. Electric Irelands profits are quite small in comparison.

They also own nearly the entire fibre backbone in the country that is rented to all the phone providers. That's a nice little earner for them as well.

So, no, electricity bills for domestic customers does not account for every cent.

How much does the 'fibre backbone' earn them annually then? ESB created ESB Telecoms Limited to hide the true earnings of the use of the publicly paid for transmission system and to take the cream of the earnings before paying a small percentage to be divided between ESB and electricity consumers.

All ESB salaries are paid for by electricity customers regardless of where the personnel work. Who do you think pays the generators and the suppliers? I never differentiated between the many arms of ESB in relation to this pay increase. They all got it regardless of how well they fixed cables during the storms.

JRant

loremolis wrote: »

How much does the 'fibre backbone' earn them annually then? ESB created ESB Telecoms Limited to hide the true earnings of the use of the publicly paid for transmission system and to take the cream of the earnings before paying a small percentage to be divided between ESB and electricity consumers.

All ESB salaries are paid for by electricity customers regardless of where the personnel work. Who do you think pays the generators and the suppliers? I never differentiated between the many arms of ESB in relation to this pay increase. They all got it regardless of how well they fixed cables during the storms.

The ESB had to set up all those different sub-groups due to European interference.

loremolis

JRant wrote: »

The ESB had to set up all those different sub-groups due to European interference.

Isn't that convenient. The electricity consumer gets only 5% of the revenue generated by ESB Telecoms Limited from its free use of the transmission system for commercial fibre optic activities. ESB Telecoms Limited operates a monolpoly use of the system paid for by electricity consumers. ESB Telecoms Limited employees are actually ESB employees on secondment so they get the pay rise too.

Cienciano

loremolis wrote: »

How much does the 'fibre backbone' earn them annually then? ESB created ESB Telecoms Limited to hide the true earnings of the use of the publicly paid for transmission system and to take the cream of the earnings before paying a small percentage to be divided between ESB and electricity consumers.

All ESB salaries are paid for by electricity customers regardless of where the personnel work. Who do you think pays the generators and the suppliers? I never differentiated between the many arms of ESB in relation to this pay increase. They all got it regardless of how well they fixed cables during the storms.

Eirgrid control the transmission system, not ESB

loremolis

Cienciano wrote: »

Eirgrid control the transmission system, not ESB

Eirgrid, even more overpaid than ESB. At least ESB actually do some work.
Eirgrid operate it, ESB own it and can use it for purposes other than electricity transmission, what's your point?

hmmm

Ah sure just load it onto our electricity bills. When I hear lefties going on about "elites" in this country, I know who the real elites are.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Cienciano wrote: »

Eirgrid control the transmission system, not ESB

Eirgrid operate the Transmission system, they are not the owners, neither do they do the physical work on the system networks.

JRant

loremolis wrote: »

Isn't that convenient. The electricity consumer gets only 5% of the revenue generated by ESB Telecoms Limited from its free use of the transmission system for commercial fibre optic activities. ESB Telecoms Limited operates a monolpoly use of the system paid for by electricity consumers. ESB Telecoms Limited employees are actually ESB employees on secondment so they get the pay rise too.

A 5% return on investment is very healthy. Do you think optic fibre cables are free and install themselves?

Cienciano

JRant wrote: »

A 5% return on investment is very healthy. Do you think optic fibre cables are free and install themselves?

People seem to think the government built the network back in 1928 and it hasn't been touched since.

ted1

Slydice wrote: »

Nice!

Always thought the ESB looked really generous in their headlines. Ever see that headline where everyone in their Dublin office got a €1000 chair?

Must find out where the advertise their jobs.

That was board Gas not ESB

Bord Gais Energy may have spent up to €300,000 on luxury office chairs
http://jrnl.ie/213861

ted1

loremolis wrote: »

They're already the highest paid public sector employees in the country.

That's just not true. Also they would have higher qualified staff than many other public sector employees.

There losing staff to the private sects who pay better

ted1

loremolis wrote: »

Where are they classified as private sector?

An average salary of €72,000 cannot be equated to a norm in the economy.

There 7000 staff many are the highest qualified engineers in the county, many are the highest qualified electricians in the country. Many work shift or are on call do get allowances that 9-5 workers wouldn't get. So you really can't compare that figure to the norm for the economy.

ted1

loremolis wrote: »

Every cent of which came from our electricity bills. The fact that a dividend is paid seems to give the ESB a get out of jail card for the fact that we are being overcharged for electricity. It's a form of stealth tax.

That's not true either. ESB International are a consultancy company that makes millions in contracts outside Ireland, ESB also operate and own generating stations outside Ireland, ESB also invest in companies , e.g they invested 15M in Tesla many years ago which has increased in value greatly

loremolis

ted1 wrote: »

That's not true either. ESB International are a consultancy company that makes millions in contracts outside Ireland, ESB also operate and own generating stations outside Ireland, ESB also invest in companies , e.g they invested 15M in Tesla many years ago which has increased in value greatly

Wrong. ESB Intetnational Limited is owned by ESB but is an independent company operating outside the ESB group. The profits made by ESB International Likited are not included with ESB group accounts not do those profits form part of the dividend paid by ESB.

Superhorse

Workers looking for pay rises, the cheek of them.

Let them eat cheese.

ted1

loremolis wrote: »

Wrong. ESB Intetnational Limited is owned by ESB but is an independent company operating outside the ESB group. The profits made by ESB International Likited are not included with ESB group accounts not do those profits form part of the dividend paid by ESB.

Their staff are also getting the deal and make up the figures that are included in their annual report

Page 48.........

https://esb.ie/docs/default-source/investor-relations-documents/esb-annual-report-2015.pdf?sfvrsn=4

loremolis

JRant wrote: »

A 5% return on investment is very healthy. Do you think optic fibre cables are free and install themselves?

The cost of installing fiber on the overhead system is a lot cheaper than the cost of laying comparable lengths of ducting in the road. The fiber is paid for by electricity consumers under the guise of being for the control of the system and at a later date ESB Telecoms Limited uses eusea fiber fir commercial uses. It's a monopoly use of the system by ESB for its own gain.

ted1

loremolis wrote: »

The cost of installing fiber on the overhead system is a lot cheaper than the cost of laying comparable lengths of ducting in the road. The fiber is paid for by electricity consumers under the guise of being for the control of the system and at a later date ESB Telecoms Limited uses eusea fiber fir commercial uses. It's a monopoly use of the system by ESB for its own gain.

Siro is a joint company of ESB and Vodafone, which will generate profits.

Regardless if the fact that's they are running the cable cheaper along with the overhead lines the bottom one is that this is generating a profit from data as oppose to electrical

loremolis

Barrett Orange Pillowcase wrote: »

They are classed as Private Sector, in all employment legislation, public accounts, and any other manner you want. You called them Public so that makes them public, is that it?
Public sector is defined as providing government services or being publicly funded. ESB is neither.

That average salary covers all levels and they employ highly qualified engineers, technicians, accountants etc, who work on-call, shifts etc. It's not an excessive 'average' when these and CEO etc are considered. I earned in excess of that in my line of work before I retired many years ago. For the skill set that is included, it's reasonable. I know many in ESB earn below 35000.

Who finds the development and maintenance of the system?

loremolis

ted1 wrote: »

Siro is a joint company of ESB and Vodafone, which will generate profits.

Regardless if the fact that's they are running the cable cheaper along with the overhead lines the bottom one is that this is generating a profit from data as oppose to electrical

A profit for who? Not one euro of money made by Siro funds the electricity system or reduces our electricity bills.

maryishere

The price of oil (energy) has fallen a lot this last year or so. But electricity prices have not fallen. I bet when oil rises again the ESB may want to up their bills 20 or 30%

ted1

loremolis wrote: »

A profit for who? Not one euro of money made by Siro funds the electricity system or reduces our electricity bills.

You made a statement that bold statement
Which is just wrong, they money they paid back comes from other areas too

" Every cent of which came from our electricity bills. The fact that a dividend is paid seems to give the ESB a get out of jail card for the fact that we are being overcharged for electricity. It's a form of stealth tax."

ted1

maryishere wrote: »

The price of oil (energy) has fallen a lot this last year or so. But electricity prices have not fallen. I bet when oil rises again the ESB may want to up their bills 20 or 30%

Oil makes up1.1% of generation in Ireland. We are developing a renewable grid, that is costing the money.

loremolis

ted1 wrote: »

You made a statement that bold statement
Which is just wrong, they money they paid back comes from other areas too

" Every cent of which came from our electricity bills. The fact that a dividend is paid seems to give the ESB a get out of jail card for the fact that we are being overcharged for electricity. It's a form of stealth tax."

Fact: The installation of a commercial fiber network on the distribution system by Siro does not yield one cent for electricity consumers.

The money they paid back comes from what other areas? It certainly doesn't come from the JV with Vidafone.