Anti brexit lobby groups taking over Irish media

thisonetaken

Anyone else sick of anti brexit lobby groups taking over our media?? The Lies being spouted by them are absolutely ridiculous, trying to fool us into thinking our world will end if Britain leaves the eu. Anyone with half a brain knows a brexit would be a massive massive boost for the Irish economy. We would be the main beneficiaries from them leaving. Being the only English speaking country in the eu would result in a huge influx of companies setting up here after leaving Britain.

smash

thisonetaken wrote: »

Anyone else sick of anti brexit lobby groups taking over our media?? The Lies being spouted by them are absolutely ridiculous, trying to fool us into thinking our world will end if Britain leaves the eu. Anyone with half a brain knows a brexit would be a massive massive boost for the Irish economy. We would be the main beneficiaries from them leaving. Being the only English speaking country in the eu would result in a huge influx of companies setting up here after leaving Britain.

If Britain leave it can seriously fcuk up our economy, and country. The level of attention is warranted!

thisonetaken

smash wrote: »

If Britain leave it can seriously fcuk up our economy, and country. The level of attention is warranted!

I've yet to hear a single coherent argument as to why it would be bad for the Irish economy. All these so called experts polluting our media can only spew a few vague comments about "trade" and "border controls"

jimgoose

Brits Out, hi!!

smash

thisonetaken wrote: »

I've yet to hear a single coherent argument as to why it would be bad for the Irish economy. All these so called experts polluting our media can only spew a few vague comments about "trade" and "border controls"

Two words... Imports. Exports.

Knasher

Can't say I've heard of any Irish economic forecasts that see the British exit in a very positive light.

Britain is our biggest market, we certainly ain't theirs.

You do not see how the loss of free movement off goods and services to our biggest market might have a negative impact?

In a world where multinationals move operations to Asia to reduce cost, you think our grasp of English and our location will see us ride out the loss of such ease of access to that market?

thisonetaken

thisonetaken wrote: »

I've yet to hear a single coherent argument as to why it would be bad for the Irish economy. All these so called experts polluting our media can only spew a few vague comments about "trade" and "border controls"

Can you quantify your own vague assertion that companies will come here because of our language and location? How much will that be worth per annum and in jobs?

thisonetaken

Knasher wrote: »

Can't say I've heard of any Irish economic forecasts that see the British exit in a very positive light.

Of all the propaganda coming from these groups you are unlikely to hear them mention a single possible benefit......there's too much money sloshing around from the anti brexit lobby group for these economists to be able to keep their integrity......can't blame them really, but people have to start opening their eyes as to what is going on

dissed doc

smash wrote: »

If Britain leave it can seriously fcuk up our economy, and country. The level of attention is warranted!

Short term it would be a shock but long term shackled to the sinking EU ship? That would cost a lot more, double again due to the euro an impending devaluation.

Plazaman

Firstly as a non EU country, Britain will now not have free movement of goods as afforded to other EU countries and technically may have to implement border controls. Ireland being on the edge of Europe with Britain in the way willpay more to export to the EU. Technically we could see the border back in the North but it's unlikely.

It's speculated that the value of sterling will drop by 15%. Good for shoppers but a kick in the nuts for exporters. Britain will rely more on producing internally than more expensive imports from Ireland. We're screwed.

thisonetaken

Deleted User wrote: »

Britain is our biggest market, we certainly ain't theirs.

You do not see how the loss of free movement off goods and services to our biggest market might have a negative impact?

In a world where multinationals move operations to Asia to reduce cost, you think our grasp of English and our location will see us ride out the loss of such ease of access to that market?

There will be zero effect on trade apart from currency fluctuations

thisonetaken

thisonetaken wrote: »

There will be zero effect on trade apart from currency fluctuations

You criticise what you label incoherent arguments.

Again, I would have though the loss of free access to our biggest market could only have a negative impact.

You assert that we will in fact benefit. Now...that sounds vague to me...unless you are willing to give the details you claim other arguments lack. Can you quantify that benefit?

catbear

Well we can't stop the UK from leaving and despite the rhetoric they regard Ireland as an auld bud in a creepy sort of leery way so there's hay to be made there. They think we're on their side, let them think it but really we're on our side first and foremost.

But anyway thirty years ago the UK was over 70% of our trade, now it's under 30%.
Rather than thinking what's right or wrong for the UK we have to start thinking of not just the downside of Brexit but also the opportunities that can be made from Brexit. What one man discards may be another mans blessing.

the evasion_kid

thisonetaken wrote: »

Of all the propaganda coming from these groups you are unlikely to hear them mention a single possible benefit......there's too much money sloshing around from the anti brexit lobby group for these economists to be able to keep their integrity......can't blame them really, but people have to start opening their eyes as to what is going on

I see European MEP's are to have a debate and then vote on a report calling "on member states to have schools teach more about European issues to enable people to better engage with the EU"....sounds the beginning of the end.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160408STO22170/Teaching-about-the-EU-44-of-Europeans-don't-understand-how-the-EU-works

Knasher

thisonetaken wrote: »

Of all the propaganda coming from these groups you are unlikely to hear them mention a single possible benefit......there's too much money sloshing around from the anti brexit lobby group for these economists to be able to keep their integrity......can't blame them really, but people have to start opening their eyes as to what is going on

So its all a massive conspiracy by the anti brexit people to pay off the Irish economists? To what end, seems unlikely that the British people would vote to remain simply because Irish economists are telling them that it would be bad for Ireland. Wouldn't the conspiracy be better aimed at paying off the British economists to say it will be bad for Britain?

No wonder the pro-brexit side seem to be winning then, clearly the anti brexit conspiracy are completely incompetent.

Niemoj

People in Scotland and the North tend to be very pro EU so I think that if they do decide to leave it will help fuel Scottish independence and possibly even the Unification of Ireland.

SEPT 23 1989

The loudest grunts come from the snouts deepest in the trough

Iwasfrozen

Niemoj wrote: »

People in Scotland and the North tend to be very pro EU so I think that if they do decide to leave it will help fuel Scottish independence and possibly even the Unification of Ireland.

I always hear this but Scotland can't just decide to have a referendum and Parliament isn't going to grant another.

Jayop

Niemoj wrote: »

People in Scotland and the North tend to be very pro EU so I think that if they do decide to leave it will help fuel Scottish independence and possibly even the Unification of Ireland.

The DUP are actively campaigning for the Brexit so if there was any chance of pushing it closer to a UI then they wouldn't be doing so.

For one thing you could have border controls being set up along the length of the border undoing decades of work to get them down. This is turn could lead to a hell of a lot of bad feeling among nationalist communities in those areas and I wouldn't rule out a lot more people who were behind the peace protest moving to a more hard line stance.

There's no way that a Brexit could leave us closer to a UI. If anything I'd say the opposite is true.

saywhatyousee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Britain is our biggest market, we certainly ain't theirs.

You do not see how the loss of free movement off goods and services to our biggest market might have a negative impact?

In a world where multinationals move operations to Asia to reduce cost, you think our grasp of English and our location will see us ride out the loss of such ease of access to that market?

The united states is our biggest export market The uk and belgium are neck and neck for second and third.Ireland is one of the few countries the uk runs a trade surplus with it would be in there interest even with a brexit to try as hard as possible to retain the status quo with ireland at least

AtomicHorror

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I always hear this but Scotland can't just decide to have a referendum and Parliament isn't going to grant another.

You think they wanted to grant the last one? If the referendum shows a distinct split in the EU exit vote between Scotland and the rest of the UK, how could they possibly argue another referendum is not justified? It'll be demanded by the Scots and there'll be little choice.

What happens to a UK composed of Wales, NI and England outside the EU I don't know, but it seems to me like it would be a first step towards dissolution of the UK.

Iwasfrozen

AtomicHorror wrote: »

You think they wanted to grant the last one? If the referendum shows a distinct split in the EU exit vote between Scotland and the rest of the UK, how could they possibly argue another referendum is not justified? It'll be demanded by the Scots and there'll be little choice.

What happens to a UK composed of Wales, NI and England outside the EU I don't know, but it seems to me like it would be a first step towards dissolution of the UK.

Yes, they did. When they granted it the numbers polling for independence were small. They won't make that mistake again.

Scotland can demand a referendum but Parliament is under no obligation, and has no motivation to acquiesce.

Capt'n Midnight

Plazaman wrote: »

Firstly as a non EU country, Britain will now not have free movement of goods as afforded to other EU countries and technically may have to implement border controls.

The article below explains it all. The UK put thousands of steelmaking jobs at risk to smooth over a minor issue with China. The issue being China dumping below cost steel into the Eu and the UK not bending over fast enough. The UK used to have a lot of jobs making shoes too, so its win-win for China.

If while part of the EU they give in over stuff like this then they are going to have a new one torn if they try to go it alone.

I can remember back in the days before the Euro when the UK was going on about financial independence, which translated into usually following the interest rate changes of the Bundesbank within about 5 hours.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/12/sajid-javid-uk-blocked-higher-eu-steel-tariffs-fearing-shoe-price-rises

The UK blocked tougher EU trade rules to help the steel industry partly because it could have raised the price of shoes for British shoppers, Sajid Javid has said.

The business secretary argued the UK opposed scrapping the so-called lesser duty rule as it would have “cost British shoppers dear”, including an extra £130m a year on the price of footwear – the equivalent of about £4.80 for each household.

And to put that £130m a year in perspective
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35994279

Tata Steel is refusing to comment on claims it has made £700m windfall profits from a policy designed to protect the climate.

Three separate experts say Tata made the cash by selling carbon emissions permits it was given for free.

Pat Mustard

If Brexit happens, t would make sense for Britain to join the European Free Trade Association and regain the benefit of free trade with Europe. I don't see why that wouldn't happen.

If that happens after Brexit, it would minimise or negate adverse impact on Ireland's trade with Britain.

Niemoj

Jayop wrote: »

The DUP are actively campaigning for the Brexit so if there was any chance of pushing it closer to a UI then they wouldn't be doing so.

For one thing you could have border controls being set up along the length of the border undoing decades of work to get them down. This is turn could lead to a hell of a lot of bad feeling among nationalist communities in those areas and I wouldn't rule out a lot more people who were behind the peace protest moving to a more hard line stance.

There's no way that a Brexit could leave us closer to a UI. If anything I'd say the opposite is true.

The DUP are a crowd of spineless homophobes.

There was news recently that there's proposed legislation in the north to ban products from being marketed as "Irish" because it's "misleading" to the consumer, the DUP is the one pushing for this. And what are they using to back themselves up? EU legislation!

The EU is a good thing when it suits them and awful when it doesn't.

It seems to me anyway that the DUP are trying to look at England and go "look at us, we're the same as you!".

Niemoj

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I always hear this but Scotland can't just decide to have a referendum and Parliament isn't going to grant another.

Just look at current opinion polls, the Scots really favour the EU, they also don't want to engage in Nuclear activies or bomb the Syrians but because they're governed by the English they get no say.

I think they were mad to say no to independence.

Iwasfrozen

Niemoj wrote: »

The DUP are a crowd of spineless homophobes.

There was news recently that there's proposed legislation in the north to ban products from being marketed as "Irish" because it's "misleading" to the consumer, the DUP is the one pushing for this. And what are they using to back themselves up? EU legislation!

The EU is a good thing when it suits them and awful when it doesn't.

It seems to me anyway that the DUP are trying to look at England and go "look at us, we're the same as you!".

SF do the same with Ireland all the time. Both sides are insecure.

questionmark?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Britain is our biggest market, we certainly ain't theirs.

You do not see how the loss of free movement off goods and services to our biggest market might have a negative impact?

In a world where multinationals move operations to Asia to reduce cost, you think our grasp of English and our location will see us ride out the loss of such ease of access to that market?

There would be no loss of the free movement of goods and services. That's false. Almost every country in Europe from Iceland, Norway, Switzerland etc... have free trade across Europe. You don't have to be a EU member to be part of it. Britain is a huge market for Europe, it is not in the EU interest to stop trade or impose big barriers as their own economies would suffer.

RichardoKhan

Brexit has more to do with all things ala 'Panama Papers' than anything else. Like anything else in life if in doubt just follow the money........The irony that a Yes would actually break the Union is almost laughable........

Jayop

Niemoj wrote: »

The DUP are a crowd of spineless homophobes.

There was news recently that there's proposed legislation in the north to ban products from being marketed as "Irish" because it's "misleading" to the consumer, the DUP is the one pushing for this. And what are they using to back themselves up? EU legislation!

The EU is a good thing when it suits them and awful when it doesn't.

It seems to me anyway that the DUP are trying to look at England and go "look at us, we're the same as you!".

They want to be part of the UK but won't implement laws that are in place everywhere else in the UK. They will use whatever mechanisms they can be they EU laws or UK laws to get what they see as their ultimate goal.

I knew from day 1 that they would support the Brexit. They're from the same vain of politics as other far right parties in teh UK.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

SF do the same with Ireland all the time. Both sides are insecure.

Give it a break will you, this is a thread about the Brexit not another chance for you to cry about SF.

Iwasfrozen

Give it a break will you, this is a thread about the Brexit not another chance for you to cry about SF.

Another poster raised Unionists, I don't see you trying to silence them.

Regardless you don't get to decide what is and isn't suitable for discussion.

Jayop

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Another poster raised Unionists, I don't see you trying to silence them.

Regardless you don't get to decide what is and isn't suitable for discussion.

FFS we were talking about Unionists stance on Brexit. You know the subject of the thread.

Wise up

Knasher

questionmark? wrote: »

it is not in the EU interest to stop trade or impose big barriers as their own economies would suffer.

I'd be very surprised if the EU was happy with its financial centre remaining in London after England leaves the EU. At the very least there will be efforts to dislodge that.

Iwasfrozen

Jayop wrote: »

FFS we were talking about Unionists stance on Brexit. You know the subject of the thread.

Wise up

And I SF's stance.

Amazing how a party can go from Eurosceptic to Europhile as quickly as it takes them to find out what side the DUP are on. Amazing that.

Jayop

When have SF campaigned for Ireland to leave the EU?

Well done, you've ruined another thread. I'm out.

Dirty Dingus McGee

In my job we sell to British customers and are allowed to do so under the EU's freedom of service laws.

If the UK leaves it is likely I will lose my job (and the 40 other people in my work place) so I'm all for these anti Brexit lobbyists.

Anything to places restrictions on trade for Ireland is not good and I don't see one potential advantage for Ireland if the UK leave but plenty of negatives from it.

dissed doc

dissed doc wrote: »

Short term it would be a shock but long term shackled to the sinking EU ship? That would cost a lot more, double again due to the euro an impending devaluation.

How much of a devaluation are we expecting? Bit weird the Euro's been appreciating a lot so far this year.

Iwasfrozen

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

In my job we sell to British customers and are allowed to do so under the EU's freedom of service laws.

If the UK leaves it is likely I will lose my job (and the 40 other people in my work place) so I'm all for these anti Brexit lobbyists.

Anything to places restrictions on trade for Ireland is not good and I don't see one potential advantage for Ireland if the UK leave but plenty of negatives from it.

I think it's very likely the UK would retain free trade agreements with the EU tbf.
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But I agree, anything that hampers trade is bad.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I think it's very likely the UK would retain free trade agreements with the EU tbf.
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But I agree, anything that hampers trade is bad.

The EU say there isn't going to be a special deal for Britain should they leave.

It's probably a scare tactic but if they leave and the free trade agreement exists for them it may even start the end of the EU in a way as by far the most important factor of the EU is free trade and freedom of services and if you don't have to be in the EU to benefit from them then why would you bother signing up for all the other stuff attached with the EU.

AtomicHorror

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I think it's very likely the UK would retain free trade agreements with the EU tbf.
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But I agree, anything that hampers trade is bad.

EFTA was at least partly intended to act as a stepping stone for new members- 6 former EFTA countries have since acceded to the EU. Will the EU like the idea of EFTA working as a handy step out the door? Do the EU really want to send out the message that a country can secede from the Union and still get some perks?

Maybe they'll feel it's better on balance to keep the UK onside and benefit as much as they can, but they might decide to make an example either?

Fratton Fred

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Anything to places restrictions on trade for Ireland is not good and I don't see one potential advantage for Ireland if the UK leave but plenty of negatives from it.

I can't see advantages for anyone, not just Ireland.

Iwasfrozen

AtomicHorror wrote: »

EFTA was at least partly intended to act as a stepping stone for new members- 6 former EFTA countries have since acceded to the EU. Will the EU like the idea of EFTA working as a handy step out the door? Do the EU really want to send out the message that a country can secede from the Union and still get some perks?

Maybe they'll feel it's better on balance to keep the UK onside and benefit as much as they can, but they might decide to make an example either?

It's not in their interests to make an example. The council of ministers is the real power in Brussels and few European countries want diplomatic backlash from a UN security council member.

An independent Scotland would have been helpless, the UK certainly isn't.

tomwaterford

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I can't see advantages for anyone, not just Ireland.

Is there any opinion polls realeased on this??

As I'd be amazed if thus comes close to passing....
Though I can understand the distrust of Europe to a certain extent as afaik Ireland is possibly the only country to hold referendums on euro treaties (not 100% sure)

Not a pop at Briton/anywhere else but I do think all the countries should vote on that Ireland is required to vote on,...


practically this may slow down progress....but people would be more trusting/engaged with what goes on in Europe?

Allinall

thisonetaken wrote: »

There will be zero effect on trade apart from currency fluctuations

Thanks be to god we don't have currency fluctuations with our trade with the UK at present.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's not in their interests to make an example. The council of ministers is the real power in Brussels and few European countries want diplomatic backlash from a UN security council member.

An independent Scotland would have been helpless, the UK certainly isn't.

Under the Lisbon treaty (I think)...provided for the scenario of someone leaving

The EU is required to negotiate a trade agreement with a country leaving...

But there is no onus to make it same as being in the trading area/it just has to be any agreement

(think this covers euro currency in/out votes aswell)

Beefy78

Niemoj wrote: »

Just look at current opinion polls, the Scots really favour the EU, they also don't want to engage in Nuclear activies or bomb the Syrians but because they're governed by the English they get no say.

I think they were mad to say no to independence.

Scotland isn't "governed by the English". They're in a partnership in which they get a hugely disproportionate voice.

Fratton Fred

tomwaterford wrote: »

Is there any opinion polls realeased on this??

As I'd be amazed if thus comes close to passing....
Though I can understand the distrust of Europe to a certain extent as afaik Ireland is possibly the only country to hold referendums on euro treaties (not 100% sure)

Not a pop at Briton/anywhere else but I do think all the countries should vote on that Ireland is required to vote on,...


practically this may slow down progress....but people would be more trusting/engaged with what goes on in Europe?

I haven't seen any polls, but I would question their accuracy anyway. British ex pats are able to vote and the vast majority live in Europe, so no guessing which way they'll vote.

I was back in England over Easter and raised the eu question with all of my friends. Near enough all said the eu needs to change, but we'd be mad to leave.

The only friend who wants out is a hairdresser. She has seen a huge downward trend in salary for what she does, due to eastern European girls who will work for a lot lower wages. Her boss, on the other hand, thinks the eu is great.

AtomicHorror

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's not in their interests to make an example. The council of ministers is the real power in Brussels and few European countries want diplomatic backlash from a UN security council member.

Perhaps not, but how will that balance against their fear of other countries following the comfortable route out of the EU?

Iwasfrozen

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Perhaps not, but how will that balance against their fear of other countries following the comfortable route out of the EU?

Well the Americans had a novel idea to solidify their Union.

questionmark?

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

In my job we sell to British customers and are allowed to do so under the EU's freedom of service laws.

If the UK leaves it is likely I will lose my job (and the 40 other people in my work place) so I'm all for these anti Brexit lobbyists.

Anything to places restrictions on trade for Ireland is not good and I don't see one potential advantage for Ireland if the UK leave but plenty of negatives from it.

I haven't made up my mind wheter they should stay or go as there is pros and cons on both sides but what you said is not true. Ireland will still freely trade with the UK. Europe not just the EU will freely trade with the UK. Stopping trade with the UK would destroy the EU economy they ain't that stupid to give up a few hundred billion in trade.