Fury v Klitschko II

Frank Bullitt

Klitschko and Fury to duke it out again in July.

walshb

Can we expect a tear up in Fury-Klit II? Maybe both men will go in thinking that they can really take out the other. The fight was pretty poor. Fury was poor, but Klit was abysmal. Is Klit looking back thinking how very poor he was when really he didn't even get tagged or hurt the whole fight? Is Fury thinking that had he committed more and planted his feet could he destroy Klit?

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

Can we expect a tear up in Fury-Klit II? Maybe both men will go in thinking that they can really take out the other. The fight was pretty poor. Fury was poor, but Klit was abysmal. Is Klit looking back thinking how very poor he was when really he didn't even get tagged or hurt the whole fight? Is Fury thinking that had he committed more and planted his feet could he destroy Klit?

I don't think Fury has the power to knock Vlad out if he engages more. Whereas Vlad if he is more aggressive, and is actually prepared to take a few to land his own punches, will win by ko

Larsso30

nacho libre wrote: »

I don't think Fury has the power to knock Vlad out if he engages more. Whereas Vlad if he is more aggressive, and is actually prepared to take a few to land his own punches, will win by ko

how i see it too. Surely wlad has to engage more. Fury was hardly overly active in first so wlad wouldnt need to do much to be active in the fight.

Henno30

nacho libre wrote: »

I don't think Fury has the power to knock Vlad out if he engages more. Whereas Vlad if he is more aggressive, and is actually prepared to take a few to land his own punches, will win by ko

Wlad looked so poor going forward in the last fight that I'm not sure he's up to it. He had almost nothing to show for himself in an offensive capacity. Even when he dug deep and tried there was nothing there. He has completely forgotten how to do it.

So many counterpunchers look poor when they're forced to lead. Donaire against Rigo. Trout against Lara. Marquez against Floyd (or John, or Bradley). It just goes to show that there's some skill involved in offensive fighting after all.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

Can we expect a tear up in Fury-Klit II? Maybe both men will go in thinking that they can really take out the other. The fight was pretty poor. Fury was poor, but Klit was abysmal. Is Klit looking back thinking how very poor he was when really he didn't even get tagged or hurt the whole fight? Is Fury thinking that had he committed more and planted his feet could he destroy Klit?

I think Fury goes in more confident and picking more spots to throw power. I'm not sure Wlad is capable of doing anything more. He has spent too long focusing entirely on avoiding punishment.

PEACEBROTHER

id love to see Fury beat Wlad again and then fight Joshua for all the belts

fury not entertaining but Joshua makes mistakes and one thing about Fury is he is smart in the ring

The winner of fury v joshua then fights haye and Haye beats both of them

You heard it here first

Larsso30

haye beats neither, he cant handle the size and power imo.

StringerBell

Haye shouldn't be getting mentioned in title fights.

Wilder beats them both anyway for me as things stand, I think this depends on Wlad again, if he goes about his business in such a cowardly pathetic fashion he does not deserve to win, if he actually goes out there and lets his hands go I think he probably stops Fury. Wouldn't hold my breath though.

After they fight I would like to see Fury fight AJ and then AJ to fight Wilder for all the belts if and when he takes Furys two.

I would genuinely be on the fence there about who would unify the division, I give the edge to Wilder right now, his upcoming fight will tell a lot and with he and AJ improving each fight they are on a collision course to unify the division at some point.

walshb

PEACEBROTHER wrote: »

id love to see Fury beat Wlad again and then fight Joshua for all the belts

fury not entertaining but Joshua makes mistakes and one thing about Fury is he is smart in the ring

The winner of fury v joshua then fights haye and Haye beats both of them

You heard it here first

Joshu makes mistakes? Bit vague. And, how does Fury make him pay for said mistakes? Plus, does Fury make mistakes? I think the payment from Joshua for those mistakes will be a lot deadlier than the other way around.

walshb

Larsso30 wrote: »

haye beats neither, he cant handle the size and power imo.

Haye beats neither Fury and Wlad due to size and power? He already lasted 12 vs. Wlad, and had he tried a bit harder he may have done a lot better. As for Fury. His only 'advantage' is his overall size, which in this case may be more a disadvantage! Haye IMO has an excellent chance against Fury. I'd back him via KO.

Dick phelan

Fury on points again, people say he doesn't have the power to hurt Wlad but he clearly does imo, he hurt Wlad in the 11th round of their last fight and never really landed clean himself. Logically Wlad is 40 years old coming off a pretty one sided loss and tends to box the same way every time, at his age i can't see him changing his style all that much. If anything i expect Fury to be better then last time, Fury hasn't reached his prime yet and i'd honestly believe him when he says the first fight wasn't him at his best. Fury 117-111 type decision.

PEACEBROTHER

walshb wrote: »

Joshu makes mistakes? Bit vague. And, how does Fury make him pay for said mistakes? Plus, does Fury make mistakes? I think the payment from Joshua for those mistakes will be a lot deadlier than the other way around.

Imo From watching joshua and I think he's an unbelievable talent he still looks a bit open and frustrated and always searching for knockout instead of using jab and waiting for opportunity - it's worked very well so far

I think fury could give him trouble for a lot of rounds but still
l think Joshua knocks him out between 8-10 rounds

StringerBell

He used the jab and waited patiently for an opening the other night. He let his emotions get the best of him v Whyte, but it did have the advantage of indicating his chin is solid and that he doesn't have huge stamina issues, they went at a high pace for 7 rounds and he looked to have plenty left.

Other then that he hasn't fought anybody he has needed to be patient with, though he has at times stalked and jabbed opponents initially, it is simply when they feel his power they don't come back. Make no bones about it, he has basically been fighting bums so far, a couple of average to decent fighters but nobody to write home about.

Henno30

Does anyone think Wlad can take it to Fury?

Andre 3000

Wlad by KO is my prediction right now. Wlad has to be the aggressor as he is the challenger. Surely he'll feel he has to bring it to Fury and he has absolutely nothing to lose by throwing the kitchen sink at it. He has enough power to knockout anyone and I think he'll get it done. It all depends on his attitude though. I expect a repeat of the last fight if he decides to fight cautiously and tries to outbox Fury.

StringerBell

Henno30 wrote: »

Does anyone think Wlad can take it to Fury?

As in ability? I think he can take him apart if the will is there. If he goes out there to knock him out and pushes himself to engage I think he takes him out, by KO.

The fire/will? Not so sure about that anymore, not sure he will be able to push himself. He has had it so easy for so long and is not a young man. Hard to shake off that habit of fighting how he has fought for years I'd imagine and take a totally different approach to this fight, as in actively going looking to engage and throw a good volume of punches.

I have no interest as of yet in this rematch, I don't want to see such a great champion put in such a cowardly display again. It would be something if he was getting outclassed and could not get his shots off/on target, but there were so many times he was in position to throw a punch, and simply didn't do it.

If that is all he is going to offer again whats the point?

walshb

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Wlad by KO is my prediction right now. Wlad has to be the aggressor as he is the challenger. Surely he'll feel he has to bring it to Fury and he has absolutely nothing to lose by throwing the kitchen sink at it. He has enough power to knockout anyone and I think he'll get it done. It all depends on his attitude though. I expect a repeat of the last fight if he decides to fight cautiously and tries to outbox Fury.

It's a more intriguing fight this time. Wlad was so bloody negative the last time it's hard to explain it. Nothing in the fight can really explain it. Nothing Fury was doing can explain it. For some reason he could not let his hands move, whether in range or slightly out of range. Has Fury more to show should Wlad actually attack with intent?

Mantis Toboggan

walshb wrote: »

It's a more intriguing fight this time. Wlad was so bloody negative the last time it's hard to explain it. Nothing in the fight can really explain it. Nothing Fury was doing can explain it. For some reason he could not let his hands move, whether in range or slightly out of range. Has Fury more to show should Wlad actually attack with intent?

Fury's reach advantage and movement certainly restricted Vlad. Vlad needed to take more chances but I think he feared getting ko'd. He was predictable, Fury knew what was coming, Vlads problem was that he had no plan B.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Fury's reach advantage and movement certainly restricted Vlad. Vlad needed to take more chances but I think he feared getting ko'd. He was predictable, Fury knew what was coming, Vlads problem was that he had no plan B.

He had no plan, full stop! There were far too many instances where Fury was doing nothing, and Wlad was not able to let the trigger go. Even explaining it by saying "Wlad was afraid he would get knocked out" is a real slight for Wlad. It's so cowardly.

Johner

Taking nothing away from Fury because to beat Wlad is a brilliant achievement no matter what but it was a really strange performance from Wlad. He barely went on the attack in any of the 12 rounds, and yes the way Fury fought had something to with it but there was something else missing from Wlad that night.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

It's a more intriguing fight this time. Wlad was so bloody negative the last time it's hard to explain it. Nothing in the fight can really explain it. Nothing Fury was doing can explain it. For some reason he could not let his hands move, whether in range or slightly out of range. Has Fury more to show should Wlad actually attack with intent?

I think it fits perfectly with the Wlad of the past few years. He takes no chances whatsoever. If he is uncomfortable with the range he reaches out and grabs his opponent before leaning on him. He has no pocket defence at all, no head movement, not even an effective guard. He just reaches out and tries to grab and hold.

After the fight a journalist asked him if his right hand was injured. He answered that it wasn't, and that he wouldn't let his right hand go because he couldn't establish a scoring range with his jab first. He was incapable of taking shots that didn't also guarantee his security afterwards.

This is a habit more than some physical incapability I think, but a habit that deeply engrained is going to be very, very hard to break. His instincts are all about preservation.

Frank Bullitt

All I am hoping for is a better fight than the first one. That wouldn't be hard though.

TheDalioLama

Fury's fight to lose imo. Wlad has depended on his jab to setup power punches his whole career. Fury showed he has the range/movement/awkward rhythm to take it away. Interesting to see what Wlad's gameplan will be for the rematch, I just can't see him making major adjustments to his style at this stage of his career

X200

My heart says Klitschko will come out as the aggressor and knock Fury out. My head says the fight will end up virtually the same as the first.

walshb

X200 wrote: »

My heart says Klitschko will come out as the aggressor and knock Fury out. My head says the fight will end up virtually the same as the first.

One thing's for sure, if he won't let the hands go when in range it may be the exact same sham that the first fight was. Maybe Fury will take the lead a lot more and force Wlad to fight back or surrender. There are a few scenarios that could play out here. Bottom line: Both need to gro a pair of balls and commit on offense. Proper commit! And yes, I will pay for this fight again. I am very intrigued by it. More so this time.

price690

All the great champs won and then lost their undisputed HW champion spot.

The really great ones won it again against all odds. It was a very weird fight, Wlad seemed to be holding alot back.

Hardly any possibility that he saw this as a way of enhancing his legacy? Young pretender takes his crown only for the craft veteran to reclaim it before hanging up his gloves?

Pie in the sky stuff I know.

Wlad simply enjoyed massive physical advantages over the majority of his opponents. In the modern HW division you have athletes and you have giants. He was both.

His superior reach meant it was hard for smaller mobile fighters to find a great equaliser in order to outbox or KO him.

His athletic ability meant it was harder for bigger guys (and he didn't really fight many barring Fury and Wach in recent years) to land clean on him.

Hes a great example of why we should maybe have a HW and Super HW division split in boxing. Guys like Tyson, Ali, Holyfield etc would have struggled to beat Wlad. Not because he is so much better, but because in the same way it would also be very difficult for a prime De la Hoya (at junior middle) to beat a prime Roy Jones Junior (at Light heavy).

Take away the guys strengths (reach advantage) and theres not really alot of variety to him. He has power, but hasn't thrown an uppercut in 15 years. Jab, Jab, straight right hand is his calling card.

walshb

Fury's claiming no motivation for the rematch. Partying 24/7 and 7 stones overweight.

Mantis Toboggan

walshb wrote: »

Fury's claiming no motivation for the rematch. Partying 24/7 and 7 stones overweight.

He's the kinda guy who if he wasn't boxing would be 25 stone plus. He supposed to be back in camp this weekend so hopefully will get back into the groove.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

Fury's claiming no motivation for the rematch. Partying 24/7 and 7 stones overweight.

He's manic depressive. The emotional swings are easy to see in him. He'll be ready though, no question about it.

Littlehorny

Its funny although Fury won the first fight against all the odds and experts opinions all we have talked about since is how bad Klitchko was. I mean against Pulev only a year previous he got into a good exciting scrap and looked awesome, his flying left hook finishing the fight in the end.
The only thing i can think of in the first fight is did Fury get in his head and physc him out? Was Fury's size enough to intimidate him? Did Manny Stewart not in his corner screaming at him mean he didn't sense the urgency? Also his wife was supposed to have been suffering terrible post natal depression, maybe his head just wasn't in the fight because having a new born and trouble at home?
Anyway if he doesn't "turn up" the next time and have a go we will see the same result, he turned 40 in March so time is against him but i still think he will turn up in top shape. He must know that Fury does not have amazing power either and that if he gets stuck into him he can catch him and hurt him.
So come July will we see a finished Klitschko or a born again champ? Or will we finally see a new king in Fury or will we see a guy who has spent the last few monthes celebrating?

Rough Sleeper

StringerBell wrote: »

I would genuinely be on the fence there about who would unify the division

Possibly Luis Ortiz, in a an alternate reality where he'd be worth enough money to justify the very significant risk of getting hurled off the hype train by him.

ThebitterLemon

Can't see Klitschko been that appalling bad in the next fight, Fury won the fight but looked a bit insipid, I expect to see a marked improvement from Klitschko and can't see Fury been able to cope with it. If the odds are decent I'll have a decent wager on a Klitschko win

TbL

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i'm not an expert in the nitty gritty things of boxing but Klitschko is 39/40? Wouldn't that hinder his performance since hes coming to a climax? Boxing is a very heavy cardio based, but my hats off to wladamir though!!

poa

5 years ago Klitschko would have anihilated Fury. But father time has caught up with him, and Fury's skillset has developed in that time. 27 v 40, the stamina and size advantage wins this on points again. Fury is strong, and his height will trouble Klitschko again.
Mentally Fury will be unbreakable in this one, with a home crowd behind him he will be firing on all cylinders. He would rather die in the ring than lose in front of his home crowd. I see Klitschko coming forward more this time and throwing more, but his hit rate won't be good as Fury's movement is good, certainly his footwork in rounds 1-6; until he tires and showboats dropping his hands more.
With regard to the mental edge, Fury's confidence is peaking coming off a win, compared to Klitschko's ego crushing loss. I can see him retiring after this defeat. Fury will most likely fight Wilder after this, Joshua will have to wait another 2 fights at least to be considered. Its more likely Joshua would face Haye after he beats Briggs.
My prediction is Fury on points again.

Danye

poa wrote: »

Mentally Fury will be unbreakable in this one, with a home crowd behind him he will be firing on all cylinders. He would rather die in the ring than lose in front of his home crowd. .

Funny, I see Fury being mentally weak in this one. He was probably relatively unknown going to Germany last year with nothing really to loose. This time, he's the one with something to loose, on his home patch. Klitschko will be the one coming over with nothing to loose. He was poor the last night and he probably gained confidence from that in the sense that he knows he can't fight as bad as that again.

I've been watching his interviews as well, and you may think I'm mad, but I get the vibe that he's not all that confident in himself retaining his title.

I wouldn't be surprised if somebody (Fury) picks up an injury and the bout doesn't happen on July 9th.

poa

Danye wrote: »

Funny, I see Fury being mentally weak in this one. He was probably relatively unknown going to Germany last year with nothing really to loose. This time, he's the one with something to loose, on his home patch. Klitschko will be the one coming over with nothing to loose. He was poor the last night and he probably gained confidence from that in the sense that he knows he can't fight as bad as that again.

I've been watching his interviews as well, and you may think I'm mad, but I get the vibe that he's not all that confident in himself retaining his title.

I wouldn't be surprised if somebody (Fury) picks up an injury and the bout doesn't happen on July 9th.

Fury has already stated he will fight even if his back injury plays up again. I think he would rather die in the ring than lose at home. This may well be his last fight before he retires so he will want to go out on a high and will give it everything. He went through 2 let downs with cancelled fights against Haye, so there is no way he would let down Klitschko. Reason being, he wants to prove it was ability not Klitschko letting him win with a bad performance. Mentally Fury will be 100% confident of winning again. I can also see Klitschko retiring when he loses. Father time has caught up with him now; and he isn't the boxer he was 5 years ago. 27 v 40, then 27 wins all day long.

Danye

poa wrote: »

Fury has already stated he will fight even if his back injury plays up again. I think he would rather die in the ring than lose at home. This may well be his last fight before he retires so he will want to go out on a high and will give it everything. He went through 2 let downs with cancelled fights against Haye, so there is no way he would let down Klitschko. Reason being, he wants to prove it was ability not Klitschko letting him win with a bad performance. Mentally Fury will be 100% confident of winning again. I can also see Klitschko retiring when he loses. Father time has caught up with him now; and he isn't the boxer he was 5 years ago. 27 v 40, then 27 wins all day long.

Of course he'll say that. You wouldn't expect him to say any less would you?

You think he'd rather die in the ring than loose at home but you don't know if that's what he really feels though. He claims to be a dedicated family man. If he was getting destroyed in the ring (which I don't expect to happen) his corner would retire him. No good to his family if he's dead.

I don't get his retirement talk either. He's 27. He's spoken about how much he loves money etc. There's massive money earner fights for him out there. Why retire?

Again, of course he's going to say he's 100% confident but what fighter doesn't in the lead up to the fight?

27 beats 40 all day? Is this an age fight or a boxing fight?

poa

Danye wrote: »

Of course he'll say that. You wouldn't expect him to say any less would you?

You think he'd rather die in the ring than loose at home but you don't know if that's what he really feels though. He claims to be a dedicated family man. If he was getting destroyed in the ring (which I don't expect to happen) his corner would retire him. No good to his family if he's dead.

I don't get his retirement talk either. He's 27. He's spoken about how much he loves money etc. There's massive money earner fights for him out there. Why retire?

Again, of course he's going to say he's 100% confident but what fighter doesn't in the lead up to the fight?

27 beats 40 all day? Is this an age fight or a boxing fight?

Fury will earn £5M plus for the fight. He won't need to fight on, so yes retirement is likely.
He has openly stated his ambition was to be world champion, and that's now completed, so he doesn't have the motivation. He has enough money to live on, for his kids to live on; so doesn't need the money. He has also stated the rematch is for money, to set up his grandkids. He clearly has no interest in fighting Joshua for the IBF belt after they stripped him of it. Would he risk a defeat to Wilder? Maybe, maybe not. Probably more in his interest to retire as undefeated World Champion and go out on a high note.
In boxing, yes a 13 year age gap is significant. A 27 year old has an advantage over a 40 year old. That is a given. Boxers slow down with age; reflexes, work rate, stamina, punching speed, everything.
A 27 year Klitschko and 40 year old aren't the same. Fury is peaking, and Klitschko has peaked and is now in decline.
For example, look at Mike Tyson before and after his 7 years in jail. Like 2 different boxers.
If you cannot see that age affects a boxer's performance, then I have failed; I cannot break it down to a more simpler explanation for you.
Fury wins this on points again.

poa

I just put 1000 Euro on Fury at odds of 1.83 with Paddypower. Nice 830 net profit. Sure as night follows day.

Joeseph Balls

poa wrote: »

I just put 1000 Euro on Fury at odds of 1.83 with Paddypower. Nice 830 net profit. Sure as night follows day.

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badabing106

Tyson Will win unless he gets knocked out

poa

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

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I am a new user so no allowed to post links, screenshots, etc.
But don't worry, the fight isn't until the 21st May, I will be happy to post one then.

poa

badabing106 wrote: »

Tyson Will win unless he gets knocked out

Agreed.

walshb

badabing106 wrote: »

Tyson Will win unless he gets knocked out

Kind of agree, but it will likley be a very close points fight, with the usual sloppiness and awkwardness and missed punches. I think it's a whole lot more intriguing this time around due to the fact that Wlad needs to actually do something in fight II.

Danye

poa wrote: »

Danye wrote: »

Of course he'll say that. You wouldn't expect him to say any less would you?

You think he'd rather die in the ring than loose at home but you don't know if that's what he really feels though. He claims to be a dedicated family man. If he was getting destroyed in the ring (which I don't expect to happen) his corner would retire him. No good to his family if he's dead.

I don't get his retirement talk either. He's 27. He's spoken about how much he loves money etc. There's massive money earner fights for him out there. Why retire?

Again, of course he's going to say he's 100% confident but what fighter doesn't in the lead up to the fight?

27 beats 40 all day? Is this an age fight or a boxing fight?

Fury will earn £5M plus for the fight. He won't need to fight on, so yes retirement is likely.
He has openly stated his ambition was to be world champion, and that's now completed, so he doesn't have the motivation. He has enough money to live on, for his kids to live on; so doesn't need the money. He has also stated the rematch is for money, to set up his grandkids. He clearly has no interest in fighting Joshua for the IBF belt after they stripped him of it. Would he risk a defeat to Wilder? Maybe, maybe not. Probably more in his interest to retire as undefeated World Champion and go out on a high note.
In boxing, yes a 13 year age gap is significant. A 27 year old has an advantage over a 40 year old. That is a given. Boxers slow down with age; reflexes, work rate, stamina, punching speed, everything.
A 27 year Klitschko and 40 year old aren't the same. Fury is peaking, and Klitschko has peaked and is now in decline.
For example, look at Mike Tyson before and after his 7 years in jail. Like 2 different boxers.
If you cannot see that age affects a boxer's performance, then I have failed; I cannot break it down to a more simpler explanation for you.
Fury wins this on points again.

Add your reply here. 5 million isn't a massive amount of money to retire on at 27. Many a fighter has earned much more and still ended up broke.

Your saying the rematch is for money. Money is what he loves. Why not stick around and have 2 or 3 big fights and get even more of the thing that he loves? If he genuinely believes that he's the best, it's easy money, no?

If he does win the rematch and goes on to retire, he can claim to be an undefeated heavy weight world champion, but a lot of people will look at it as if he's ducking Joshua, Wilder and Haye etc. Big money fights. He loves money. Why not fight. He's only 27 and in your own words, he's only "peaking". Why retire before you've even peaked?

A 13 year age gap is not as significant as you think. The first fight went the full distance. He didn't blow Klitschko away. Klitschko was poor.

Mike Tyson was in prison for 7 years! Of course he's not going to be the same boxer he was before he went in!! That's a no brainer!!

Michael Moorer was 17 years (I think?) Foremans junior and we all know what happened there!


On a different note, what's happened with the layout of boards? It's terrible.

walshb

Danye wrote: »

Mike Tyson was in prison for 7 years! Of course he's not going to be the same boxer he was before he went in!! That's a no brainer!!

Tyson's career was cut short by a 3 year sentence. He served that amount of time for his rape conviction in the 90s. But yes, he was not near the specimen post that strecth as he was pre that stretch!

Danye

walshb wrote: »

Danye wrote: »

Mike Tyson was in prison for 7 years! Of course he's not going to be the same boxer he was before he went in!! That's a no brainer!!

Tyson's career was cut short by a 3 year sentence. He served that amount of time for his rape conviction in the 90s. But yes, he was not near the specimen post that strecth as he was pre that stretch!

Whatever the years served, there was no way he would be the same as he was before he went inside. It's a poor point by the other poster.

Mantis Toboggan

First press conference today at 1pm.

Wonder are we likely to see Batman again

yabadabado

Aren't tickwt supposed to be going on sale today at 1pm?
I can't see any link to them or prices anywhere.

Mantis Toboggan

yabadabado wrote: »

Aren't tickwt supposed to be going on sale today at 1pm?
I can't see any link to them or prices anywhere.

Tickets are on sale from 1pm on eventim.co.uk