bruce springsteen cancelled ....

The flying mouse

Bruce Springsteen cancelled a weekend concert in North Carolina to protest a new state law barring transgender people from choosing public toilets consistent with their gender identity.

The cancellation comes as a number of US states consider legislation seen as discriminatory to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights.

South Carolina politicians introduced a measure that would require transgender people to use public toilets matching their sex at birth, and Tennessee is considering a similar measure for students in public schools and colleges.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0409/780604-bruce-springsteen/


So do you afterhours think its right that transgender people should be able to use any bathrooms they like ?

It doesn't bother me in the slightest who uses what bathroom.

Frynge

Just have uni/omni sex toilets for all.










Ha haha..... omnisex

Atlantic Dawn

Why not just let anyone use whatever toilet they want, what could possibly be wrong with that and why is that not the current norm?

Alf Stewart.

Unisex toilets should be the norm these days.

Problem solved.

Wibbs

Oh this will end well…

I've a couple of toilets in my gaff and they're not "gender labeled". All sorts of folks have used them and no issues so far.

Harry Palmr

Is Springsteen playing in Ireland this summer? If so will he stage a boycott with regard to say abortion/freedom of choice issues here?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Maybe he just wanted the day off.

silverharp

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Unisex toilets should be the norm these days.

Problem solved.

Once they have urinals , I refuse to give up my god given right to pee standing up :pac:

Birneybau

I'm really getting a pain in my h0le with these ambiguous thread titles.

namloc1980

silverharp wrote: »

Once they have urinals , I refuse to give up my god given right to pee standing up :pac:

And how do you pee into a regular toilet bowl???

celt262

namloc1980 wrote: »

And how do you pee into a regular toilet bowl???

He obviously sits down .

Alf Stewart.

silverharp wrote: »

Once they have urinals , I refuse to give up my god given right to pee standing up :pac:

You can take a leak standing up at the dunny too mate....

Sometimes I like to sit on mine when peeing too though, just for the novelty and laziness.

It seems a bit "right on"...I presume he has played in countries with what one might perceive as more pressing social issues.

Cookie_Dough

Birneybau wrote: »

I'm really getting a pain in my h0le with these ambiguous thread titles.

The OP just wanted to lure you into the thread. The vague thread title has worked

Jan Laco

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh this will end well…

I've a couple of toilets in my gaff and they're not "gender labeled". All sorts of folks have used them and no issues so far.

Have they used your toilet at the same time? It's not just for hygiene, but a pervert/rapist can just dress as woman and hang around the toilets and he can't be kicked out.

namloc1980

Jan Laco wrote: »

Have they used your toilet at the same time? It's not just for hygiene, but a pervert/rapist can just dress as woman and hang around the toilets and he can't be kicked out.

What are you on about?

ahnowbrowncow

Unisex toilets in busy public places are a pain, I want urianls. I had urgent need of a lavatory/urinal recently but the gents only had cubicles, because of this there was a large queue and I had to wait 15 minutes just to take a piss.

YFlyer

silverharp wrote: »

Once they have urinals , I refuse to give up my god given right to pee standing up :pac:

Their not taken away your right to fire your weapon

sconhome

Simple enough to go unisex toilets with a bank of urinals in a men only area and a similar set of toilets in women only. Everybody is happy then.

Mr. CooL ICE

Jan Laco wrote: »

Have they used your toilet at the same time? It's not just for hygiene, but a pervert/rapist can just dress as woman and hang around the toilets and he can't be kicked out.

Mod:

We've already had to close another recent thread regarding trans issues and toilets. If this thread presents itself with further ridiculous insinuations like this, we will have no choice but to close this thread too.

Captain Chaos

sconhome wrote: »

Simple enough to go unisex toilets with a bank of urinals in a men only area and a similar set of toilets in women only. Everybody is happy then.

Thats back to square one then.

There are places in the city centre were there are urinals in a common are and women just walk by the lads standing there talking away having a piss.

whatismyname

The flying mouse wrote: »

So do you afterhours think its right that transgender people should be able to use any bathrooms they like ?

It doesn't bother me in the slightest who uses what bathroom.

You'll probably find some of after hours thoughts on it here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=98551853

There seems to be a lot more to the North Carolina laws, and Bruce Springsteen's cancellation than just the transgender toilets issue, so it's a shame, in my opinion, not to have a more general discussion on the issue, rather than just honing in on one aspect of it.

Also, good to see that there are some big companies like Bank of America and Apple criticising the North Carolina laws.

Paypal have even pulled out of plans to expand in the state as a result.

Wibbs

Jan Laco wrote: »

Have they used your toilet at the same time?

Well there was this one shindig back in 04…

It's not just for hygiene, but a pervert/rapist can just dress as woman and hang around the toilets and he can't be kicked out.

:pac:

sconhome wrote: »

Simple enough to go unisex toilets with a bank of urinals in a men only area and a similar set of toilets in women only.

AKA Men's toilets layout.

To be fair I can see some kickback to public unisex toilets and nada to do with Trans people either. I would suspect that there would be enough average men and women with no agendas involved that might be uncomfortable sharing public toilet facilities with their opposite gender.

Lights On

Birneybau wrote: »

I'm really getting a pain in my h0le with these ambiguous thread titles.

You should make a thread and call it "I'm really getting a pain in my hole with.."

xabi

Is anyone thinking about the dragons? Where will they pee?

Badly Drunk Boy

Lights On wrote: »

You should make a thread and call it "I'm really getting a pain in my hole with.."

So basically an angrier version of the much vilified (by Mods) 'trivial annoyance' thread?

johnnyskeleton

Birneybau wrote: »

I'm really getting a pain in my h0le with these ambiguous thread titles.

I like the way no one fell for the bait and now we have to have an earnest discussion on who can use the jacks!

Samaris

Not to put a wotsit in the parade of irritation about toilets, but the law being repealed is also the same law that gives gay people protection in the workplace. It isn't all just about loos.

The Randy Riverbeast

What's stopping a man from pretending to be a woman to man transgender and then doing his sexual assault in the woman's toilets? They didn't really think that through did they but what do you expect from republicans.

I doubt the law would stop someone either way from sexually assaulting another.

PopePalpatine

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

What's stopping a man from pretending to be a woman to man transgender and then doing his sexual assault in the woman's toilets? They didn't really think that through did they but what do you expect from republicans.

I doubt the law would stop someone either way from sexually assaulting another.

I wonder if there was this amount of hysteria a few decades ago about gay men using male toilets to rape other men...

rsh118

Fair play, Bruce. Stands up for what he believes in and does something about it.

As for the loos? Go omni, sure! No problem with me. We had them at uni and it caused zero problems

Pedro K

It's a bit crap for all the fans with tickets who'll be disappointed... Maybe he could have opposed it some other way.

Birneybau

rsh118 wrote: »

Fair play, Bruce. Stands up for what he believes in and does something about it.

As for the loos? Go omni, sure! No problem with me. We had them at uni and it caused zero problems

As a man that occasionally drinks Guinness, I wouldn't fancy having a unisex toilet in work.

Would completely ruin you in the eyes of the opposite sex.

ongarite

While all the headlines are on the toilet issues, this law is really about discriminating against gay/LGBT peoples at a state level. Its the main reason why the Springsteen concert was cancelled.

What’s in the law?

It bans transgender people from using the bathroom of the gender they identify with. Everyone has to go to the bathroom of the gender on their birth certificate. And it bans cities and counties from loosening that restriction.

But that’s not all. It also nullified local ordinances around the state that would have protected gay or transgender people from being fired simply for their sexual preference or identify. It also clears the way for businesses to refuse to serve gay or transgender patrons.

The state has always had laws on workplace discrimination, public accommodation, minimum wage and other business issues. This law makes it unlawful for cities to expand upon those laws, like Charlotte and more than a dozen others had done.

Now the state’s recognized classes for discrimination are limited to “race, religion, color, national origin, age, biological sex or handicap.”

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article68334522.html

tritium

Jan Laco wrote: »

Have they used your toilet at the same time? It's not just for hygiene, but a pervert/rapist can just dress as woman and hang around the toilets and he can't be kicked out.

Yeah, labelling the toilets is a foolproof deterrent....

My only issue with unisex toilets is how long the queue for the ladies always is on any night out. Seriously, what the hell do ladies do in there that causes a traffic jam?!?!

muddypaws

tritium wrote: »

Yeah, labelling the toilets is a foolproof deterrent....

My only issue with unisex toilets is how long the queue for the ladies always is on any night out. Seriously, what the hell do ladies do in there that causes a traffic jam?!?!

The same as men without urinals apparently

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Unisex toilets in busy public places are a pain, I want urianls. I had urgent need of a lavatory/urinal recently but the gents only had cubicles, because of this there was a large queue and I had to wait 15 minutes just to take a piss.

tritium

Birneybau wrote: »

As a man that occasionally drinks Guinness, I wouldn't fancy having a unisex toilet in work.

Would completely ruin you in the eyes of the opposite sex.

When I was younger I had a job that required me to clean the ladies toilets after closing time

Believe me guys are not the only mucky feckers when it comes to toilets...

tritium

muddypaws wrote: »

The same as men without urinals apparently

Its funny but I've never seen the same queueing for the gents even when there were cubicles in both. Other have seen different, who would have guessed. Probably good that I couched it as my own observation as opposed to scientific fact so.....

I vaguely remember one of the right on mayors of new York looking to pass a law requiring 50% more women's toilets than men's in any new establishment, not sure if that ever went anywhere.....

muddypaws

tritium wrote: »

Its funny but I've never seen the same queueing for the gents even when there were cubicles in both. Other have seen different, who would have guessed. Probably good that I couched it as my own observation as opposed to scientific fact so.....

I vaguely remember one of the right on mayors of new York looking to pass a law requiring 50% more women's toilets than men's in any new establishment, not sure if that ever went anywhere.....

I used to follow Spurs home and away, and sports grounds are generally where the women's toilets are easier to use than the mens. We were at a small lower league club for one match (can't remember where), not many toilets for away fans and the queue for the mens was very long, I went into the women's toilets to find men urinating in the sinks in there.

Sonics2k

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

What's stopping a man from pretending to be a woman to man transgender and then doing his sexual assault in the woman's toilets? They didn't really think that through did they but what do you expect from republicans.

I doubt the law would stop someone either way from sexually assaulting another.

And what's stopping an man from going into a bathroom and sexually assaulting another man in the mens toilets.

The whole argument against it is ridiculous. It's a damn bathroom, let people pee dammit!

Donald Trump

tritium wrote: »

When I was younger I had a job that required me to clean the ladies toilets after closing time

Believe me guys are not the only mucky feckers when it comes to toilets...

Two things in particular piss me off (pun half-intended). I am not talking here about pubs/clubs where people might have drink taken but toilet facilities at workplaces/restaurants/public facilities during the day

1) The urinals that hold liquid and you have to press a button/handle to empty or flush them when finished. Some fellas like to leave it filled there as a nice gift for the next person to flush before he uses it.
2) Fellas who come into the place, walk by empty urinals, and then proceed to walk into the cubicle, stay standing up and piss all over the seat.

As a male, I don't want to have a situation where there are no urinals. Two reaons: The first is speed and efficient use of space which means less queues. Also, when I want to go for a quick piss, I do not want to have to deal with a piss-covered toilet seat.
Ladies, do you really want a situation where there's a high probability that the person who last used the facilities before you, pissed all over the seat?

I also don't think that anyone talking about the risk of perverts etc is necessarily being <X>-phobic (Although maybe deep down they have an agenda) . They are not saying that the <X> are perverts. They are saying that the rules put in place for the benefit of <X> might be abused by non-<X> for nefarious purposes. I'm not saying that I agree with those people, I'm just saying that their belief/fear should be defeated with logic, not just be dismissed as <X>-phobic.


(I'm just using <X> as a generic term that you can replace with whatever you want.... I don't want to pick any specific <X> for example purposes in case people twist it that I'm being <X>-phobic. I've gotten the impression that this might be a location inhabited by some ultra-hyper-sensitive individuals)

Buona Fortuna

I live in the sticks. A public toilet is a bush or tree.

Donald Trump

Sonics2k wrote: »

And what's stopping an man from going into a bathroom and sexually assaulting another man in the mens toilets.

The whole argument against it is ridiculous. It's a damn bathroom, let people pee dammit!

I don't think it is ridiculous. I'm not saying it is entirely correct but it's not ridiculous.

An analogy might be if you are a responsible 18 year old out for a night with your 18 year old friends and one of your friends drinks too much and wanders off lost. If that friend is a female you might worry about some scumbag (male) trying to take advantage and molest them in some manner. If that friend is a male, you probably wouldn't have that same concern to the same extent. I'm sure it could happen but I think that anyone who would say that their concern would be equal in both cases is lying.


Lets go the whole hog and have only mixed-gender open-plan changing rooms for all sports/swimming pools etc. Using your logic, females should be fine with that because fellas have them and there is nothing to stop males from being offensive to other males in their changing rooms so it'd be grand.

The Raptor

Does anyone else think its stupid for a concert to get cancelled over this? Many people bought tickets, accommodation booked, time off work for a concert. I'm sure these people don't give a rat's ass about what toilet to use.

muddypaws

Donald Trump wrote: »

I don't think it is ridiculous. I'm not saying it is entirely correct but it's not ridiculous.

An analogy might be if you are a responsible 18 year old out for a night with your 18 year old friends and one of your friends drinks too much and wanders off lost. If that friend is a female you might worry about some scumbag (male) trying to take advantage and molest them in some manner. If that friend is a male, you probably wouldn't have that same concern to the same extent. I'm sure it could happen but I think that anyone who would say that their concern would be equal in both cases is lying.


Lets go the whole hog and have only mixed-gender open-plan changing rooms for all sports/swimming pools etc. Using your logic, females should be fine with that because fellas have them and there is nothing to stop males from being offensive to other males in their changing rooms so it'd be grand.

Fair points but, another point of view - When my son got too old to take him into the women's toilets with me if we were out and about, I would be standing outside the men's while he was in there, worried in case there was someone in there that could hurt him. I'm sure that men have the same worry with their daughter (because its not just men that molest children). If there were unisex toilets, the parent could stand inside near the sinks while the child was in the cubicle.

newacc2015

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

I live in the sticks. A public toilet is a bush or tree.

Ironically it is the same in Dublin. DCC dont have any public toilets AFAIK other than their ones in city hall. I know with the serious heroin issue in 1980s/1990s, they closed some of them (I know there is still a heroin problem in Dublin, but it is not as bad as the 1990s).

Annasopra

Jan Laco wrote: »

Have they used your toilet at the same time? It's not just for hygiene, but a pervert/rapist can just dress as woman and hang around the toilets and he can't be kicked out.

Yep. He can do that anyway regardless of trans women using the toilets.

Minderbinder

What about non-transgender peoples' rights? Do they matter? I don't want a woman dressed as a man sharing the men's room and I'm sure there's a good proportion of women who don't want men dressed as women sharing the ladies'.

I don't believe that people were born into the wrong body.

Annasopra

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

What's stopping a man from pretending to be a woman to man transgender and then doing his sexual assault in the woman's toilets?

What's stopping a man from pretending to be female and sexually assaulting someone in the toilets. Nothing. It's a transphobic slur that letting trans women use women's toilets will increase sexual assault.

Eugene Norman

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

What's stopping a man from pretending to be female and sexually assaulting someone in the toilets. Nothing. It's a transphobic slur that letting trans women use women's toilets will increase sexual assault.

I suppose it's transphobic to see trans women as men dressed up as women.

and isn't gender fluidity the new thing? If so there can be no real talk of men dressed up as women. It's just a change of gender self identity.

Calhoun

As i have asked on another thread, how the hell do you police something like this, stupidest law ever. Do we all gotta start dropping trousers and show to the private part inspector before we go in.