30 day suspension for Geraghty

convert

Just heard this on the news this morning. All 'beaten' riders were interviewed but Geraghty was the only one who was fined/suspended. I didn't see the race, so I can't comment at the moment, but it seems from the report below it was a misjudged ride? Will have to take a look at it at lunch.

http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=174379&headline=Geraghty-hit-with-30-day-suspension

Jockey Barry Geraghty has been hit with a 30 day suspension following his ride on the J.P. McManus owned second-placed Noble Emperor in a highly controversial running of the Book Online at www.limerickraces.ie handicap hurdle at Limerick today.
The performance of Noble Emperor attracted the attention of the Stewards and while Geraghty was banned for 30 days and ordered to forfeit his riding fee having been in breach of Rule 212 (which covers not allowing a horse to run on his merits), the horse was banned from racing for 60 days and his trainer Tony Martin was handed a E3,000 fine.

The race was won by Velocity Boy, which raced with a clear lead throughout and while Noble Emperor appeared to give chase in the home straight, Geraghty's ride, along with the rides of the other beaten horses, attracted the attention of the Stewards.

Velocity Boy passed the post 11 lengths in front of Noble Emperor and following the race, the seven beaten riders (apart from winning jockey Barry Cash) were each called before the Stewards with Robbie Colgan's case being referred to the Turf Club, as he left immediately after the race.

Apart from Colgan's pending case, the rides given to all the beaten horses, with the exception of Geraghty's mount, were 'noted'.

In the enquiry, Noble Emperor was reported to have returned having pulled a left front shoe and following the decision of the Stewards, Geraghty expressed his shock but did not wish to comment.

The report reads:

“The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Noble Emperor, ridden by B.J. Geraghty, and trained by A.J.Martin. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. A.J.Martin, stated that his instructions were to get some cover and try switch him off, bearing in mind that the horse can be keen. He added that the horse has disappointed in the past but should have enjoyed today's heavy conditions over two miles, despite having form over further. He expressed satisfaction with the ride and that the lost shoe had no bearing on the run on today's ground. Evidence was also heard from B.J.Geraghty who confirmed the instructions adding that the horse needs to be covered up and delivered late. He added that the winner quickly established a good lead at the start and circumstance meant that he was unable to chase the leader until the straight as he was riding strictly to instructions. He confirmed that the horse felt healthy at all stages. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Noble Emperor was post race normal, having lost a left fore shoe. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards were of the opinion that the rider was in breach of Rule 212 having failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures to give his mount the full opportunity to win or obtain his best possible place and having considered his record suspended him for thirty race days and ordered that he forfeit his riding fee. Furthermore the stewards also found A.J.Martin in breach of Rule 212 and having considered his record,fined him €3,000 and suspended Noble Emperor for sixty days.

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Cliff House, ridden by B.T. O'Connell, and trained by John J. Walsh. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. B.T. O'Connell, stated that his instructions were to drop his horse in and be last to challenge. He added that the ground was very testing for his charge who struggled to get home in the conditions. He took it upon himself to race more prominently, against instructions as the winner was getting away. John J. Walsh, confirmed the instructions and added his satisfaction with the ride. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Cliff House was post race normal having sustained an overreach. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanation offered.

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Blacklough, ridden by A.E. Lynch, and trained by Henry de Bromhead. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer's representative,Eddie Ryan. A.E. Lynch, stated that his instructions were to settle his mount in mid-division and get him jumping well. He added that his charge needs better ground and never travelled. Eddie Ryan confirmed the instructions, added that the horse was having his first run in eighteen months on ground softer than ideal. He also expressed his satisfaction with the ride. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Blacklough was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanation offered.

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Lord Ben, ridden by D. Robinson, and trained by Henry de Bromhead. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer's representative, Eddie Ryan. D. Robinson, stated that his instructions were to drop his charge in, get him settled and jumping, bearing in mind he can be a bit keen.

He added that the horse needs better ground and struggled in the conditions. Eddie Ryan, confirmed the instructions and expressed his satisfaction with the ride. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Lord Ben was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanations offered.

The Stewards intended to enquire into the running and riding of Definite Earl, ridden by R.C. Colgan, and trained by D.Broad. R.C. Colgan had left the track and was unable to be interviewed. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Definite Earl was post race normal. In the circumstance the Stewards referred the matter to the Turf Club for further investigation.

The Stewards enquired into the running and riding of Mr Cosmopolitan, ridden by J.M. Moore, and trained by J.T.R.Dreaper. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. J.M. Moore, stated that his instructions were to jump out handy and go with the pace. He added that the horse jumped out but was never really travelling and ultimately tired. J.T.R.Dreaper, confirmed the instructions and expressed his satisfaction with the ride. The Stewards also received a report from the Turf Club Veterinary Officer who stated that Mr Cosmopolitan was post race normal. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Stewards noted the explanation offered.”

Gringo180

Irish racing needs more decisions like this.

cson

Don't doubt there was something shady going on but if you ban Geraghty you've to ban the rest of them too. Horse was well beaten and wasn't exactly visibly held and came home like a train.

Collie D

Posted on this in the Sunday thread. Watch the start of the race. Had it on yesterday but was only half watching. When the starter let them go one or two of the horses were still only making their way out onto the course. Not sure which ones but might explain why others weren't punished for same thing. Don't think anybody bar the winner was ready for the off. Grounds for appeal I'd say.

Mysterypunter

I backed Noble Emperor at Gowran on his previous start. He looks a lazy horse. He was never put in the race yesterday, the winner stole lots of ground at the start and was ridden agressively. The rest werent.

cson

I'd say they just expected him to come back to them and he never did.

convert

Just watched the race there now and I think it was mostly just misjudged. How many times have we seen horses go off like at the start only for them to blow up half way around and then either pull up or saunter home? You can see the point where they all started to kick from home when they realized Cash had gone on again. Also, given the going, most people wouldn't jump off fast at the start, maintain a steady pace, and then hope to kick on before the turn from home.

Gringo180

Geraghty only starts to push his mount out after jumping the 2nd last. At least the other jockeys where asking there mounts some serious questions a long way from home. Barry is cruising in 3rd turning for home just before the 2nd last. He didnt give his mount the best possible chance to win and has been rightly punished just like any punter was yesterday if he backed him. A very poor ride by a top pilot.

Gringo180

convert wrote: »

Just watched the race there now and I think it was mostly just misjudged. How many times have we seen horses go off like at the start only for them to blow up half way around and then either pull up or saunter home? You can see the point where they all started to kick from home when they realized Cash had gone on again. Also, given the going, most people wouldn't jump off fast at the start, maintain a steady pace, and then hope to kick on before the turn from home.

I would agree but Velocity Boy has won from the front in all of his 3 wins (over yesterdays course), and one of those was over 2m4f on soft ground. He was 2nd fav too which makes it all the more worse.

The Mig

Peach of a ride by Barry Cash

Francie Barrett

convert wrote: »

Just watched the race there now and I think it was mostly just misjudged.

The same thing happened in the previous race three weeks ago, horse was coming home like a train around the wide outside from about a furlong back. If you ask me - the stewards should have acted on that occasion, it was much more blatant.

I think it's right that the stewards act, but it's not fair the penalty falls onerously on the rider (who I'm sure was under orders).

PM me nudes

If he didn't deserve it for this ride, he's deserved it for a hundred other ones

Andalucia

PM me nudes wrote: »

If he didn't deserve it for this ride, he's deserved it for a hundred other ones

this is on the money

while they were at it, they should have given a 30 day ban to Martin from running any horses - 3k fine is a joke when it will be paid by owner anyway

how some of the trainers are getting away with their carry on is beyond belief, they are literally taking the michael

NaiveMelodies

Absolute shocker of a ride. Deserves the ban. Martin should defo be banned as Barry did state and it was agreed in stewards room that ' he rode strictly to instructions'.
The winner was clearly a capable front runner and his price suggested the same- can't have been a surprise to see him go off like that either.
The fact Barry still had NE in third coming around the back straight is a disgrace and if that's how Martin wanted the horse ridden the book should also be thrown at him.

Tony Martin is the type that will turn people off racing for life. He should be made an example of and I really hope he disappears into obscurity quickly.
It's such a turn off trying to pick a horse or even watch a race in which he has an runner.

UrbanFret

It's about 1/10 that this will be reduced on appeal once JP flexes his considerable muscle. Time for the stewards across the water to put an end to john joes constant piss take with JP horses. You know the ones with form figures like PPPFUPP that piss up.

I said

In the Irish racing app

mod edit: The following is taking from Brian O'Connor's weekly blog, which can be found via this link.

It’s an old racing clich that they — and by ‘they,’ read stewards — only go after the little guy. But no one can accuse Limerick’s officials of having one rule book for minnows and another for big fish. Suspending Barry Geraghty, one of the finest jockeys ever produced by this country, for 30 days and banning a horse owned by JP McManus, unquestionably the country’s most powerful and influential owner, for 60 days qualifies as big guy stuff in any vernacular. So we’ve had the big splash: what everyone’s waiting on now are the ripples.

It is over four months since the first day of Fairyhouse’s Winter Festival yielded a handful of running and riding enquiries which seemed to suggest a new benchmark in terms of stewards taking action in relation to horses suspected of having fallen foul of the ‘non-trier’ rules. Action was taken in relation to two horses, including the McManus owned Shantou Ed, with penalties handed out to the trainers and jockeys, and both animals suspended from racing.
Two weeks afterwards, the penalties were lifted on appeal due to veterinary advice that wasn’t available to the racecourse stewards. A note of intent had nevertheless been put out there, one many hoped would set a tone for the winter. By any reasonable measure it was a false hope as any number of maiden hurdles and beginners chases in particular quickly returned to what many suspect is their underground function, which is to get horses handicapped.

This space was all set to point out how a Navan running and riding enquiry on Saturday into the performance of the maiden hurdle also-ran, Mash Potato, was a good example of the little-guy clich, as the stewards “noted” the explanations of trainer Noel Kelly and jockey Steven Kelly who was encouraged to be seen to make more of an effort in future. And then just 24 hours later the Limerick stewards acted as they did in relation to Noble Emperor.
As to the obvious question about whether or not the penalties, which also included trainer Tony Martin’s €3,000 fine, were merited, one can only say that if the stewards hadn’t pulled them in to explain Noble Emperor’s performance then the question would have had to be asked as to why not.
Velocity Boy’s front-running ploy could hardly have been a surprise given he has a history of racing that way. But the field gave the winner a lot of slack with Cliff House appearing the first to meaningfully take up the chase, followed by Noble Emperor. Even coming to the second last, Geraghty’s body language was hardly animated, admittedly on a horse which has flattered to deceive in the past. But it was a performance which demanded questions to be asked.

That the steward’s panel asked them, and ignored an opportunity to duck a difficult decision when it was reported that Noble Emperor lost a shoe, is commendable. Significantly, they reported Geraghty as saying that the horse felt healthy at all times during the race. Weighing up the evidence they decided the ‘non-trier’ rules had been breached and acted accordingly, imposing penalties with consideration to both Geraghty’s and Martin’s records. In short they did the regulatory job entrusted to them, regardless of who was involved.

The short term ripples of this are obvious. The profile of those penalised, particularly Geraghty, means there is going to be intense interest in the possibility of appeals being lodged, and should they be, their eventual outcome. No sooner had the outcome of the Limerick enquiry been released than speculation about the nature of arguments that might be employed at any appeal was being floated around and not all of it mischievous.
Putting a figure of Geraghty’s stature out of action for a prolonged period of time on a ‘non-trier’ offence is a big deal in anyone’s language. It was little wonder the jockey described himself as “shocked” afterwards. But the real ripple-effect will be judged much more long-term rather than on a single incident.

The penalties in this case are the most noteworthy since that Winter Festival. Are we reasonably expected to believe that there haven’t been incidents in the last four months which didn’t require similar attention to the kind the Limerick stewards brought to bear on Noble Emperor?
This is another case with the potential to strike a tone for significantly longer than just one Sunday at Limerick. If this is the sort of benchmark for future running and riding enquiries, both in terms of rules breaches, and a preparedness to act even if it is some of the big fish doing the breaching, this Noble Emperor case could ultimately prove as important as it is already dramatic.

But we have been here before, with occasional ‘spectaculars’ disrupting long lulls of inertia which only fuels public scepticism about racing’s seriousness in relation to properly policing itself. No doubt, as the Curragh clock says, time will disclose all.
Racing’s habit of sliding around issues rather than confronting them is all over the BHA’s new interference guidelines with stricter penalties for jockeys who breach the interference rules.

Under the new set-up, Andrea Atzeni would get seven or eight days for his controversial St Leger winning ride on Simple Verse rather than the three he actually got at Doncaster. And that, we are led to believe, will be enough to dissuade Atzeni, or anyone else, from doing exactly the same in similar circumstances if the potential reward is judged worth it.
On the same day these new rules were outlined, there was also a BHA review of whip use which described how general breaches are declining but incidents were up in Grade/Group 1 races, those races which coincidentally are the ones jockeys most want to win, and which are the races most watched by the public.

It must take a strong stomach to present this stuff with a straight face.

convert

Just a reminder to all posters to include a link to articles you're posting.

Kauto

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Absolute shocker of a ride. Deserves the ban. Martin should defo be banned as Barry did state and it was agreed in stewards room that ' he rode strictly to instructions'.
The winner was clearly a capable front runner and his price suggested the same- can't have been a surprise to see him go off like that either.
The fact Barry still had NE in third coming around the back straight is a disgrace and if that's how Martin wanted the horse ridden the book should also be thrown at him.

Tony Martin is the type that will turn people off racing for life. He should be made an example of and I really hope he disappears into obscurity quickly.
It's such a turn off trying to pick a horse or even watch a race in which he has an runner.

No fan of Martin but he would have had no input into what went on there.
He wouldnt have known if the horse was off or not until it had left the parade ring. Frank Berry has final say and Martin wouldnt have even given the instructions.

As for the race, if BG had tried to chase down the leader like Dreapers horse had from a mile out he wouldnt have won. He needed something to bring him to the horse in front and nothing could. Winner won with his head in his chest.

sting60

It could be presumed There is a very deep issue here which does not include Tony Martin,Barry Geraghty or JP <snip>.There is no doubt the horse was stopped but who gave the order ??I believe this has embarrassed JP and I firmly believe the time has come(not before time according to Limerick stewards) that something is going to happen.I'm wondering if there has been strange betting fluctuates on the markets over the past year or more that has not been made public,just wondering.Time will tell if what happened is part of a far bigger picture.

posturingpat

It's kind of an open secret now that Frank Berry's the boss with regards riding arrangements tactics etc. and a lot of the time it's only himself and the jockey 2 minutes prior to the race that know that days instructions a lot of the time and even the trainer's are confused at times by how/why their horse ran like it did.

sting60

posturingpat wrote: »

It's kind of an open secret now that Frank Berry's the boss with regards riding arrangements tactics etc. and a lot of the time it's only himself and the jockey 2 minutes prior to the race that know that days instructions a lot of the time and even the trainer's are confused at times by how/why their horse ran like it did.

My opinion is Frank Berry is a very honarable person and yes he left the track before the race was over (in abject discuss).

Gamebred

sting60 wrote: »

My opinion is Frank Berry is a very honarable person and yes he left the track before the race was over (in abject discuss).

LOL Frank Berry the angel,I have heard it all now.

Lt Dan

posturingpat wrote: »

It's kind of an open secret now that Frank Berry's the boss with regards riding arrangements tactics etc. and a lot of the time it's only himself and the jockey 2 minutes prior to the race that know that days instructions a lot of the time and even the trainer's are confused at times by how/why their horse ran like it did.

How the hell would any self respecting and decent trainer and jockey tolerate this. Are they so worried about loosing out to JP's trainer's fee and horses?

Let Berry go back into training if he wants to be giving orders like that

posturingpat

Lt Dan wrote: »

How the hell would any self respecting and decent trainer and jockey tolerate this. Are they so worried about loosing out to JP's trainer's fee and horses?

Let Berry go back into training if he wants to be giving orders like that

Notice there's not too many Mc Manus horses left with Mullins...

Lt Dan

posturingpat wrote: »

Notice there's not too many Mc Manus horses left with Mullins...

Noticed and rightly so. Mullins does not have to be answering to JP or Frank Fecking Berry, if what people said about who dictates the tactics etc is true. Mullins has enough to do to keep Ricci happy while at the same time ensuring the Wylie's that he has not neglected them

Would not imagine any big shot owner being happy that one of their horses lost a big race , but the same trainer won the race with another horse owned by a rival owner. Leave the jockey with a problem too as to where his "loyalty" is

Could you imagine anyone trying to tell Ruby what tactics to use.Good luck with that

Really surprised that Barry Geraghty would entertain anything but just how the horse was doing at home and his/her well being. From Frank Berry? Get outta here.

TheCitizen

I'm no insider, like some on here appear to be or perhaps let on to be, but as a punter I always suspected Irish racing to be fundamentally bent. So much so that as a rule I don't bet on Irish racing bar the odd Grade 1 event, don't trust it.

This incident with Barry Geraghty is just another tip of the iceburg moment. Are they really trying to do something about it or will it just be overturned and swept away under the carpet?

Shemale

I rarely bet on Irish racing, its rancid and a lot more of this and more string action is required.

Mullins is one of the rare few that operates honourably imo and I am glad he us doing so well out of the game.

Lt Dan

TheCitizen wrote: »

I'm no insider, like some on here appear to be or perhaps let on to be, but as a punter I always suspected Irish racing to be fundamentally bent. So much so that as a rule I don't bet on Irish racing bar the odd Grade 1 event, don't trust it.

This incident with Barry Geraghty is just another tip of the iceburg moment. Are they really trying to do something about it or will it just be overturned and swept away under the carpet?

When the saw the Foxrock debate last year when Ted Walsh brought in loads of experts, some of whom were not even anywhere near Leopardstown on the alleged day (ie Aidan O'Brien) you know that something is odd. He brought out all the big guns and they sang from the same hymn sheet. You look at the comments on this site during that event. Something was not right

TheCitizen

Lt Dan wrote: »

When the saw the Foxrock debate last year when Ted Walsh brought in loads of experts, some of whom were not even anywhere near Leopardstown on the alleged day (ie Aidan O'Brien) you know that something is odd. He brought out all the big guns and they sang from the same hymn sheet. You look at the comments on this site during that event. Something was not right

Foxrock debate? what was that?

posturingpat

TheCitizen wrote: »

Foxrock debate? what was that?

Following the running of A horse of Ted Walshes called Foxrock mod edit <snip> there was an investigation into its performance in the race but no further action was taken through saying the horse lost a shoe and getting character witnesses in to speak up for him.

TheCitizen

posturingpat wrote: »

AFollowing the running of A horse of Ted Walshes called Foxrock mod edit <snip> there was an investigation into its performance in the race but no further action was taken through saying the horse lost a shoe and getting character witnesses in to speak up for him.

Well it's their own loss in Irish racing in overall terms. Your average punter doesn't trust Irish racing, won't bet on it and will be less inclined to go racing bar the very big meets.

Was watching C4 yesterday at Aintree, a couple of their regular contributors briefly discussed what happened in Limerick and one of them basically rubbished Irish Racing. If Ted was sitting there as he often is on C4 he would no doubt ride to the rescue and try to defend Irish racing with various arguments.

posturingpat

It's not just Irish racing though, English racing is rancid too. I remember getting word for a horse sent over to one of the gaf tracksfrom an Irish yard to win a Novice hurdle, the horse was 7/2 or so maybe a bit more but there was a favourite at about 2/5 and I was questioning my source about whether I should go e/w with such a strong fav, his response was and I'm paraphrasing here "don't be worried about him he won't finish" after about 3 hurdles the favourite was pulled up when appearing to travel strongly and excuse given was a slipped saddle but it didn't look too slipped to my untrained eye. Now that could be coincidence but that and some of the racing you see during the week over there leaves me with little doubt there's plenty of carry on over there too.

I said

This will be some crack if gallant Oscar wins the national lol

Gamebred

The english all weather stuff is rancid they write their own results.

Lt Dan

TheCitizen wrote: »

Well it's their own loss in Irish racing in overall terms. Your average punter doesn't trust Irish racing, won't bet on it and will be less inclined to go racing bar the very big meets.

Was watching C4 yesterday at Aintree, a couple of their regular contributors briefly discussed what happened in Limerick and one of them basically rubbished Irish Racing. If Ted was sitting there as he often is on C4 he would no doubt ride to the rescue and try to defend Irish racing with various arguments.

Whoever rubbished Irish racing is in no position to comment. Who was it?

TheCitizen

Lt Dan wrote: »

Whoever rubbished Irish racing is in no position to comment. Who was it?

Was Graham Cunningham he was with Jim McGrath and Clare Balding.

I have noticed sometimes the English pundits have had their nose out of joint a bit with the recent success of Irish racing over there at Cheltenham time etc. Still I don't trust a lot of Irish racing myself with my own money.

Harry Angstrom

TheCitizen wrote: »

Was Graham Cunningham he was with Jim McGrath and Clare Balding.

I have noticed sometimes the English pundits have had their nose out of joint a bit with the recent success of Irish racing over there at Cheltenham time etc. Still I don't trust a lot of Irish racing myself with my own money.

Clare Balding wasn't even working with C4 racing yesterday. Nobody was rubbishing Irish racing. Graham Cunningham quoted from Kevin Blake's ATR blog:

"It is a damning fact that of the just over 27,000 individual runs by horses in Irish racing in 2015, only 27 running-and-riding enquiries were called.

How many of these enquiries resulted in a ban that wasn’t overturned on appeal?

One. One ban from 27,000 individual runs."

Those are the facts, and you can't argue with the facts.

TheCitizen

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Clare Balding wasn't even working with C4 racing yesterday. Nobody was rubbishing Irish racing. Graham Cunningham quoted from Kevin Blake's ATR blog:



Those are the facts, and you can't argue with the facts.

Might have been wrong about Balding being there but that's neither here nor there it was Cunningham. I picked it up that he was saying 1 ban in 27000 runnings was highly suspicious and a damning fact, you appear to be trying to make a virtue of that.

UrbanFret

time the English stewards took up the chase. Eastlake 3 pulled ups in his last 5 runs. the usual smiles and back clapping post race.

Harry Angstrom

TheCitizen wrote: »

Might have been wrong about Balding being there but that's neither here nor there it was Cunningham. I picked it up that he was saying 1 ban in 27000 runnings was highly suspicious and a damning fact, you appear to be trying to make a virtue of that.

How am I making a virtue of it? You seem to think that by mentioning that statistic on C4, they're somehow "rubbishing" Irish racing because they're jealous of Irish successes in the UK, which is nonsense. What it goes to show is that Irish racing is riddled with a culture of cute-hoorism, and the Turf Club don't seem to have any interest in clamping down on it.

TheCitizen

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

How am I making a virtue of it? You seem to think that by mentioning that statistic on C4, they're somehow "rubbishing" Irish racing because they're jealous of Irish successes in the UK, which is nonsense. What it goes to show is that Irish racing is riddled with a culture of cute-hoorism, and the Turf Club don't seem to have any interest in clamping down on it.

Apologies, think I picked you up wrong there.

TheCitizen

Gamebred wrote: »

The english all weather stuff is rancid they write their own results.

When I bet on horses I often follow Hugh Taylor's tips and a lot of those are on English A/W tracks. He's got a fairly good strike rate. I'm sure all weather in England is dodgy as well with low prize money and jockeys often scraping a living but personally I find the all weather in England easier to pick winners than on regular Irish tracks.

danganabu

UrbanFret wrote: »

time the English stewards took up the chase. Eastlake 3 pulled ups in his last 5 runs. the usual smiles and back clapping post race.

2 of those were caused by serious jumping errors, he was still 'only' down to a mark 6lbs off his highest rating, and all of O'Neills string have been in terrible form.

lorenzo87

cson wrote: »

Don't doubt there was something shady going on but if you ban Geraghty you've to ban the rest of them too. Horse was well beaten and wasn't exactly visibly held and came home like a train.

The horse was well beat because it was intentional. Geraghty had a 5 litre engine under him, was cruising and he never moved a muscle the entire race. It was a big lay job by the Tony Martin yard.

I do think that Geraghty getting a 30 day ban and Martin only being fined 3k is ridiculous, Martin should be the one with a 30 day ban from having a runner in any race + a 10k fine, that will sort him.

Geraghty was following orders, but I am surprised a high profile jockey like that would take the risk in between massive festivals.

danganabu

lorenzo87 wrote: »

The horse was well beat because it was intentional. Geraghty had a 5 litre engine under him, was cruising and he never moved a muscle the entire race. It was a big lay job by the Tony Martin yard

The Horse wasn't layed at all, it opened at 15/8 and was backed into 7/4, with a similar picture on betfair with no large bets matched.

I just find it bizzare that Geraghty gets 30 days and none of the others get as much as a day? Stewards trying to take a stand and it been Tony Martin means that Geraghty has very much been made a scapegoat, and it solves nothing to be fair.

CH3OH

from the turfclub website under the heading:
"Turf Club Announce Appeal Date for Limerick Suspensions"


The appeals of Barry Geraghty, rider, Tony Martin, trainer, and J.P. McManus, owner against the decision of the Stewards at Limerick on 3rd April 2016, will be held on Monday, 18th April 2016 at 6pm in the Turf Club, Curragh, Co Kildare.

Editor’s Note

On the day Barry Geraghty was suspended for 30 race days and ordered to forfeit his riding fee having being found in breach of Rule 212, after the Stewards found he failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures to give his mount Noble Emperor a full opportunity to win or obtain his best possible place.
Tony Martin was also found in breach of Rule 212 and fined €3,000. Noble Emperor was suspended for 60 days.
The appeal is open to the press.....

Francie Barrett

CH3OH wrote: »

from the turfclub website under the heading:
"Turf Club Announce Appeal Date for Limerick Suspensions"


The appeals of Barry Geraghty, rider, Tony Martin, trainer, and J.P. McManus, owner against the decision of the Stewards at Limerick on 3rd April 2016, will be held on Monday, 18th April 2016 at 6pm in the Turf Club, Curragh, Co Kildare.

Editor’s Note

On the day Barry Geraghty was suspended for 30 race days and ordered to forfeit his riding fee having being found in breach of Rule 212, after the Stewards found he failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures to give his mount Noble Emperor a full opportunity to win or obtain his best possible place.
Tony Martin was also found in breach of Rule 212 and fined €3,000. Noble Emperor was suspended for 60 days.
The appeal is open to the press.....

It's an absolute cert for this to be overturned.

posturingpat

Francie Barrett wrote: »

It's an absolute cert for this to be overturned.

Jaysus i wouldn't go that far, i'd say it'll be reduced but i'd be surprised if it was overturned. Turf club are very keen for it to stick.

Gamebred

reduced to about 5 days NAP.

paddy no 11

Someone should just take martin aside and say the handicapper is going to f*ck you if they dont cut this out. If he doesnt listen hit every winner of his with a 30lb hike

posturingpat

Geraghtys questioning complete after 1 hour and 40 minutes.