Do you support multiculturalism in Europe?(No news dumps)

BlibBlab

I used to, or at least I did in the sense that I never really questioned it. I do find it a bit sad though that our culture and ethnicities will probably slowly disappear. Looking at the Ireland-Scotland match a few weeks back, you could pick out some people that you'd identify as looking Gaelic/Celtic, kind of like you could probably pick out a Russian with a reasonable degree of accuracy but not as distinct.

Places like North America are already big cultural melting pots. I find the idea sad that going to say Greece will just be like going to any other part of Europe, with unique ethnic groups and cultures replaced with multi-ethnic groups wherever you go. Probably won't happen fully in my lifetime unless science keeps me alive, but still it's not hard to see a time in the future when large parts of the world are basically a copy of America and the different races disappear into one mixed race.

I know I'm going to be in the minority on this, but interested to get others thoughts.

thattequilagirl

BlibBlab wrote: »

I used to, or at least I did in the sense that I never really questioned it. I do find it a bit sad though that our culture and ethnicities will probably slowly disappear. Looking at the Ireland-Scotland match a few weeks back, you could pick out some people that you'd identify as looking Gaelic/Celtic, kind of like you could probably pick out a Russian with a reasonable degree of accuracy but not as distinct.

Places like North America are already big cultural melting pots. I find the idea sad that going to say Greece will just be like going to any other part of Europe, with unique ethnic groups and cultures replaced with multi-ethnic groups wherever you go. Probably won't happen fully in my lifetime unless science keeps me alive, but still it's not hard to see a time in the future when large parts of the world are basically a copy of America and the different races disappear into one mixed race.

I know I'm going to be in the minority on this, but interested to get others thoughts.

The question is phrased badly. How can you be against multiculturalism in a continent that has multiple cultures?

humberklog

I'm all for multiculturalism once the cultures involved also embrace multiculturalism.

MilesMorales1

thattequilagirl wrote: »

The question is phrased badly. How can you be against multiculturalism in a continent that has multiple cultures?

I think the idea is we have a 'common european' or Western culture, if that makes sense. Not something I agree with mind.

I dunno, nowt wrong with diversity long as everyone agrees to assimilate and there's no trying to tear down anyone else's cultures. Britain for example has been a hodgepotch of cultures since the end of the war when so many people from the empire were allowed to enter the country. That has undeniably enriched British culture.

Liberosis

America never really had a distinct culture, apart from the natives. IMO increased cultural diversity is good and helps eliminate racism to an extent.

I'd support inter-culturism more than multi-culturalism.

sheesh

there is no ethnic or cultural European they are a fairly diverse group in and of its self similarly there is no ethnic Irish race there is some british some spanish some french we share some genetic markers with the people living with the west european and and north african coast.

we are a discrete culture though.

What I do agree is there does seem to be a change taking place.

Panthro

I think we should all stay in our homes and watch re-runs of 'Allo 'Allo.

ThisRegard

thattequilagirl wrote: »

The question is phrased badly. How can you be against multiculturalism in a continent that has multiple cultures?

Absolutely. Stupid question, Europe, by the fact alone that it's made up of several countries, is multi cultural by its nature.

AnonoBoy

I work in a yoghurt factory so multi-culturalism is a big no-no.

dav3

I've read, or tried to read the OP a number of times. I still have no idea what they are talking about and absolutely no idea why some people are voting no. As stated above, Europe is, and always has been, multicultural.

The OP is suggesting that Irish people should never travel to other countries to live or work, as we would pollute that country's culture with our own. Quite bizarre.

MilesMorales1

I mean, where do yous think curry comes from? Or chinese take away? Or sushi? Or pizza? These aren't British or Irish inventions we suddenly created, they come from... different cultures!

osarusan

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I mean, where do yous think curry comes from? Or chinese take away? Or sushi? Or pizza? These aren't British or Irish inventions we suddenly created, they come from... different cultures!

Watch from 1.18 to 1.40

iDave

Integration and assimilation are better than simply parallel cultures tolerating each others existence.

The Backwards Man

Most people don't know what the word means. Including the majority of those who implement or oppose 'multicultural policies'.

You might as well ask 'Do You Support The Use Of Aesthetics In Film?'

muddypaws

BlibBlab wrote: »

I used to, or at least I did in the sense that I never really questioned it. I do find it a bit sad though that our culture and ethnicities will probably slowly disappear. Looking at the Ireland-Scotland match a few weeks back, you could pick out some people that you'd identify as looking Gaelic/Celtic, kind of like you could probably pick out a Russian with a reasonable degree of accuracy but not as distinct.

Places like North America are already big cultural melting pots. I find the idea sad that going to say Greece will just be like going to any other part of Europe, with unique ethnic groups and cultures replaced with multi-ethnic groups wherever you go. Probably won't happen fully in my lifetime unless science keeps me alive, but still it's not hard to see a time in the future when large parts of the world are basically a copy of America and the different races disappear into one mixed race.

I know I'm going to be in the minority on this, but interested to get others thoughts.

I'm confused, multiculturalism has nothing to do with physical appearance. Are you saying that you would prefer that red headed people only ever have children with other red headed people, people with blue eyes only ever have children with another person who can replicate that? No freckles, then you can't have an Irish child?

511

No, I'm against it. I used to think multiculturalism worked until about 2009/2010, but then I actually starting reading into it and realised it's an unmitigated disaster. Some cultures are compatible, but others don't click at all - Islam being the most prominent example. The boundaries of the Islamic world are rife with conflict; be in China, India, Russia, Europe and Africa. Islam wasn't created to be tolerant of other cultures, it was created to be mono-cultural.

As long as religion exists, there's going to be divisions between humans, but that's only half the battle. There's many ethnic cultures that don't get along, like pederasty in Afghanistan, child grooming in Pakistan, gang rape in India and Bangladesh - all that isn't compatible with Europe or any civilized country.

I'd prefer to assimilate migrants into our culture by taking in immigrants on demand to fill job vacancies and if they don't want assimilate, they can fúck off to the other side of the wall we should be building in eastern Europe to keep out the illegal immigrants.

super_furry

Sure. Mostly for the craic.

dav3

511 wrote: »

No, I'm against it.

How can you be against multiculturalism in Europe? It's illogical.

511 wrote: »

I'd prefer to assimilate migrants into our culture by taking in immigrants on demand to fill job vacancies and if they don't want assimilate, they can fúck off to the other side of the wall we should be building in eastern Europe to keep out the illegal immigrants.

I think people have misinterpreted the question. Perhaps people are confusing the word multiculturalism which has always existed in Europe, with immigration?

Eugene Norman

dav3 wrote: »

How can you be against multiculturalism in Europe? It's illogical.



I think people have misinterpreted the question. Perhaps people are confusing the word multiculturalism which has always existed in Europe, with immigration?

This is just silly pedantry. The term multi culturalism (as commonly used) means that the individual countries in Europe should embrace multi culturalism not that Europe isn't multi cultural to begin with.

MacauDragon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux48XEH8TTY

Turtyturd

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Most people don't know what the word means. Including the majority of those who implement or oppose 'multicultural policies'.

You might as well ask 'Do You Support The Use Of Aesthetics In Film?'

Spot on, it's a fairly expansive concept, unfortunately most people only have a narrow understanding of it.

BlibBlab

muddypaws wrote: »

I'm confused, multiculturalism has nothing to do with physical appearance. Are you saying that you would prefer that red headed people only ever have children with other red headed people, people with blue eyes only ever have children with another person who can replicate that? No freckles, then you can't have an Irish child?

No, but part of what makes a culture unique is the people it came from. Going to Japan say would probably be quiet different if it was populated by Europeans, Africans and Arabs who migrated there. It's not even that I'm totally against it, I just find the idea of a lot of the uniqueness disappearing a bit sad.
Looking at the opening ceremony of the Olympics is fascinating seeing the different people around the world and then competing with each other, it'd be less so if everyone was just basically the same.

The Randy Riverbeast

I dont think everyone being separated into their own groups is a good idea as it can lead to an us vs them situation but I also don't expect people to abandon everything about their past culture.

Cultures are something which evolve over time and I see nothing to be gained from preventing it and stagnating culture. I wonder how many people who are against multiculturalism will still get a kebab or Chinese take away or buy something in an asian shop.

arybvtcw0eolkf

humberklog wrote: »

I'm all for multiculturalism once the cultures involved also embrace multiculturalism.

More or less the same here.

I voted YES but I don't believe it works very well.

riffmongous

Interesting to compare the posts versus the poll, it seems like a lot of people are against but unable to articulate why

Personally I love my Irish pub, heuriger, kvass, cevapcici and dürüm. People who don't reciprocate and embrace the local culture not so much

suicide_circus

On paper, it sounds great, people all colours of the rainbow holding hands. In practice however, it's very hard to implement. Humans have a natural fear of the "other". Anywhere you have large groups of immigrants you will find they have congregated together for the mutual support of people the same as them. People don't move en masse to another country because they love the people and the culture of that country, they move for more cash money and/or safety.

Integration is a two way street: both native and newcomer need to make a serious sustained effort. But what tends to happen is everyone just goes on doing their day to day thing and you end up with two or more communities sharing time and space but only interacting where necessary and living parallel lives.

Governments tend to get blamed for failed multicultural policies but in fairness its very hard to legislate for something which is kind of contrary to our evolutionary tendency and in any case, is there any template or an example for a perfectly executed multicultural policy? Who got it right?

BlibBlab

suicide_circus wrote: »

On paper, it sounds great, people all colours of the rainbow holding hands. In practice however, it's very hard to implement. Humans have a natural fear of the "other". Anywhere you have large groups of immigrants you will find they have congregated together for the mutual support of people the same as them. People don't move en masse to another country because they love the people and the culture of that country, they move for more cash money and/or safety.

Integration is a two way street: both native and newcomer need to make a serious sustained effort. But what tends to happen is everyone just goes on doing their day to day thing and you end up with two or more communities sharing time and space but only interacting where necessary and living parallel lives.

Governments tend to get blamed for failed multicultural policies but in fairness its very hard to legislate for something which is kind of contrary to our evolutionary tendency and in any case, is there any template or an example for a perfectly executed multicultural policy? Who got it right?

Canada maybe? Although their treatment of and attitude towards natives isn't great

Shenshen

I'm struggling to understand what being against multi-culturalism would entail... cultural isolationism? That doesn't really sound appealing to me.

Autonomous Cowherd

For a small while there, back a few months ago when there was a whipped up furore about immigrant rapists, I experienced an extraordinary sense of cognitive dissonance when I began to feel a creeping, irrational fear and mistrust towards people I had never even met. I felt I could have begun to group human beings into classes of ''us'' and ''them''. For a short while I wondered what malevolence had taken over my consciousness. And then I caught myself on.

Violent misogynists of any creed, colour, culture, gender, religion I cannot support. Ordinary peaceful people in general whatever their creed, colour, culture, gender, religion I totally support.

The simple force of numbers is against racial/cultural separation. We live on a finite planet in ever-increasing numbers and space dictates that we will intermingle increasingly. It may mean that homogeneous cultures will die out just as languages have become extinct. It seems like a natural thing that will happen. We will all become beautifully golden

FURET

The OP clearly thinks that Europeans share a common culture. Bar a few details, we do. If you disagree, spend a few years in China, India, or the Middle East and you'll realize how ridiculous it is stressing the differences between Europeans rather than the similarities.

I do not support parallel cultures (Islamic especially) becoming established in Europe. I like the food though.